When polled about the individual parts of the act the results are positive. As stated, most people don’t know what it contains.

It’s o ‘s legacy . lots of hot air with little or no substance.

Hee’s bucking for top spot among worst presidents.

after three years of the ACA doing almost nothing

I don’t think that the ACA has done nothing. It seems to have been designed to give the insurance companies time to screw us all over.

Since Jan 2011, many – if not most – Americans have been forced by their employers to accept a new insurance plan with a new provider, with the result that their premiums have gone up and their coverage has gone down (higher copays, higher deductibles, etc).

$642 monthly premium before ACA; $1298 after ACA could be the main reason not just low information responses to a poll.

Over the years the country continues to remains divided about the law.

Republicans hate it because it’s got Obama’s name on it.

Democrats hate it because it sucks.

Very good but we could add Progressives hate it cuz its a sham.

Fair enough.

Republicans hate it because it’s got Obama’s name on it.

Just about everyone else hates it because it sucks and is a sham.

Government-mandated, shitty corporate health insurance instead of healthcare for all, brought to you by our CEO-Lovin’ President. What’s not to love?

To continue fine tuning Rich Democrats like it because it makes them “feel” better even though it doesn’t work.

January 2012

Insurers led by WellPoint Inc. (WLP), the biggest by membership, recorded their highest combined quarterly net income of the past decade after the law was signed in 2010, said Peter Gosselin, the study author and senior health-care analyst for Bloomberg Government. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Managed Health-Care Index rose 36 percent in the period, four times more than the S&P 500.

We also now know the medical providers gouge consumers.

What is it Medical schools have taught Doctors when they graduate with $250,000 in debt?

I watched the healthcare reform process very carefully. The polls began to turn against Obamas plan when it became obvious that the Public Option, Medicare buy in was DEAD.. in fact never even seriously considered with Billy Tauzin and Liz Fowler at the controls. Robust Public Option… and the Demo-Snarks don’t see that the long nose from lying turned into a trunk..

“…implementation is liking going to be a mess.”

You mean it isn’t already?

Already implemented provisions like pre-existing conditions and children until they are 26 ultimately affect very few people.

Seems like all Obama cares about is the number of insured.

He and those rich Democrats who want to feel better don’t seem to care about the quality of the insurance or about the high costs to average Americans for the crappy insurance.

I’m a freelance graphic designer. I’ve been uninsured since my COBRA ran out – jeez, it’s been about 15 years now. At first I attempted to get catastrophic coverage only; I don’t particularly like Western medicine or pharmaceuticals. Nobody would cover me; they gave very superficial reasons. Every time since then I have tried to find affordable insurance that actually provided anything helpful, it made me so sick that I gave up.

What I’ve heard in the past few years is that for people like me, in my income and age bracket, basic insurance costs around $1,000 per month and comes with high deductibles and co-pays. When I’ve done the math, you end up spending $15K to $20K annually before you ever receive any significant health care.

I just looked into the coming Health Insurance Marketplace in CA and there’s no details on the government sites on what it might cost. I am already in a failed relationship with the IRS; I guess I’ll have to do another cost/benefit analysis when it comes to bending over to them or the insurance companies in 2014.

Because of the patchwork nature of the exchanges and Medicaid expansion, implementation is liking going to be a mess.

who could have predicted.

Seriously. The simple solution has always just to add this the current Medicare rather than create the mess they did.

Another issue that to me is one of the TOP issues is that much of this is sent back to the states for them to deal with. So someone in New Hampshire might think its a god send and someone in Alabama is wondering why they pay more for less.

If the states were doing a good job we wouldnt need federal legislation. And what happens in a few years when the states have to start kicking in more money.

ummm… republicans are the ones who put Obama’s name on it. So they could rile up the teabaggers

When Obama took the Republicans’ 1990s plan and sold it as his own in 2009-2010, he put his own name all over it.

United Health Care is a good deal larger than WellPoint but maybe they have a different business? They also grew their revenue and net income more than WellPoint from 2010 to 2012. WellPoint net income actually went down from 2.8b to 2.6b.United went up quite a lot from 4.6 to 5.5.

I think you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head there.

Maybe it just needs some lipstick?

The quote from Bloomberg was for quarterly income. If 2.4B isn’t enough for Wellpoint I’m sure Congress and the WH will find a way to make it up to them.

Actually it was the Heritage Foundations plan, granted, that’s saying the same thing.

It was a .1% plan to be completely accurate.

Two things. First, my point is that Wellpoint is not nearly as big as United Health and over the past two and three years, if you were an investor, you lost money. United, on the other hand, has had two and three really good years beating the S&P averages by a whole lot. Point two. A quarterly profit may be indicative of the future but it may not be. If you are an investor you have to decide which horse you want to ride and when.

Could we say there is a larger point here beyond the Investor Class. If you are part of the low or middle class and NOT part of the investor class you have really lost money since ACA has been passed. I just look at my own net worth and multiply by 175 million.

True enough. On the positive side, it exposed the hypocrisy of the Dims and demonstrated where their concerns actually lie.

Yes, Exposed the real Nancy Pelosi among others. She is part of the Investor Class (with legal access to insider info we find).

I’m with BSbafflesbrains @26, not concerned with tracking how this is working out for investor. FWIW, the Wellpoint stock price went up a lot from Oct 2009 to the start of 2010 (when the bill was being “debated” and passed), and is at about the same point now as the start of 2010. Whether the 1% is happy about that is beyond my paygrade.

Do you think the profit they make is the really big thing to worry over? Wellpoint makes about four and a half cents on every dollar. It is one thing, for sure but not the only thing, or maybe even the most important thing. I think they are wasteful due to lack of regulation and they likely have bloated admin costs as well.

Not that it matters but United went up 63% in the last three years while Wellponte is flat. Says something about management?

Do corporate loving ACA loving conservative democrats claim to be democrats only in order to date liberal woman? they dont seem to help anyone but themselves except by mistake.

Yes

forget obama’s popularity.

1) if the law was popular, republicans would stop trying to repeal it – and they haven’t

2) maybe obama needs to re-look at the Public Option he trashed.

Off topic but related to useless Dem theme, I am really, really sorry I contributed to this woman’s campaign. She was promoted by Act Blue as a progressive, but voted against the progressive caucus budget.

Congresswoman Annie Kuster (NH-02) released the following statement today calling on Republicans and Democrats to compromise on a balanced, bipartisan plan to reduce the deficit, grow the economy, and help create jobs—while protecting seniors and middle class families.

Here’s the vote tally. Chris van Hollen, ever the careerist, was a “no” vote, of course.

102 DINO’s voted No. They won’t even bother to pretend they care about legislation that works for the 99%.

Was reply to ksix @ 34

Of course the ACA is not any more popular. It hasn’t made one bit of difference to the lives of the vast majority of people. It is just a scheme to protect the interests of the insurance companies.

The only person that I know whose life has been changed by the ACA is a lady who handles the health insurance paperwork for her employer and she complains about how Obamacare has made her job more tedious.

Of course attitudes about Obamacare have not changed – it hasn’t really kicked in, and won’t until 2014. This delay may be one reason it was not opposed more vigorously – opponents knew they would have plenty of time to mobilize opposition.

I can hold my head up knowing that I didn’t vote for lesser evilism this time, or ever again.

See, this is what happens when you don’t opt for universal healthcare. Basically, the health insurance industry wants to have its Obamacare cake and eat it too.

Call the ACA by its real name, please: The Rube Goldberg Health Insurance “Reform” Act of 2010.

The four year delay was a tremendous screwup (it was simply to make the budget numbers look better), LBJ started enrolling seniors into Medicare the same month he signed the bill (enrolling Harry & Bess Truman personally that day). As crummy as Obamacare is, it’d have a lot better chance not to burn up like the Hindenburg (which it will) if WH had read Machiavelli and insisted it start immediately.

It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order, this lukewarmness arising partly from fear of their adversaries, who have the laws in their favour ; and partly from the incredulity of mankind, who do not truly believe in anything new until they have had actual experience of it.
http://webdev.archive.org/stream/princemac00machuoft/princemac00machuoft_djvu.txt

Seriously. The simple solution has always just to add this the current Medicare rather than create the mess they did

You’re not kidding, how long was the Obamacare law, 2000 pages or so?
Check out this bill from 1991. FL Congressman Sam Gibbons, who passed away last fall, sponsored the Medicare Universal Coverage Expansion Act of 1991 (his co-sponsor John Lewis is still in Congress). Their bill struck Medicare’s age restriction, improved its benefits package and eliminated monthly premiums. Its all of 3 pages long and the bill called for universal Medicare coverage to commence in less than two years (January 1993). THAT is how you run a railroad.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24875006/Medicare-Universal-Coverage-Expansion-Act-of-1991