While the negotiations between President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner are still ongoing there is little indication we will see a deal in the short term. Recently Boehner has made an offer and Obama has made a counteroffer, but there is little actual movement. The two new offers are only slightly different from their initial offers and still very far apart. There is no agreement on the size of the revenue increases or the size of cuts. As a result, Boehner is warning his caucus to expect to work through Christmas.
If we were close to a deal that both leaders thought they could sell to their parties, we would be hearing about it now because of the calender. It takes several days to craft, draft and score an actual piece of legislation. They would need to announce a deal very soon to prevent it from ruining everyone’s Christmas.
If the differences were small and mostly about posturing, they would be addressed before destroying the family plans of almost everyone involved. Instead, they are still dealing with the same intractable differences that have prevented Obama from getting his grand bargain, despite numerous efforts. The fact that we are not close to a deal now means we will likely have to wait until the “last minute” before anything is done.
The last minute is either when we get some small measure that simply fixes this idiotic fake crisis Congress created, because these issues are actually incredibly easy to solve as long as they are not being used an an excuse for getting a much larger bargain, or our leaders will use some bullshit “you must pass this deal in the next 30 seconds without reading it or our the economy implodes” line to try to ram through something horrible. Either way, it seems likely that it will be several more weeks until something happens.
Photo by Speaker Boehner under Creative Commons license.





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Kudos Jon for putting a more altruistic choice in your “either/or” prediction but not holding my breath.
It takes time to give everything away while pretending you’re not.
Not to worry o always sells us out in the end.
Maybe I have missed something…. but I still dont get why there is any “negotiation” in the first place or why there needs to be a deal.
Good thing Romney wasn’t elected or we would be really screwed.
How can o sell you out if he isn’t able to negotiate away anything ?
Fearing Grover Norquist, Jon Walker refuses to explain “these issues are actually incredibly easy to solve”.
Why can’t he say, “all Republicans need to do is defy Grover Norquist and vote to hike taxes”???
Does Grover Norquist’s reach extend to these pages?
Where in Jon’s post does he state a fear of Grover?
Puzzles me too. I’m glad to have some company.
Hadn’t though of it THAT way.
Two Dos Equis for lunch please.
Popeye, boy howdy, we really dodged that bullet.
LOL
Other than fear of Grover Norquist, what other reason is there for making the simple solution clear??
If you are not talking tax hikes, you are not serious about solving anything the nation faces.
Didn’t you hear that if Obama does nothing and we go over the fiscal cliff on Jan. 1st everyones taxes will go up by $2000 and the MIC will lay off millions of highly paid workers and Banks will stop lending money and we will fall into a permanent recession/depression with austerity for all.
Shit! I heard they were gonna cancel “Two Broke Girls” too.
basically: we should go over the fiscal slope; then in January, boner’s house can pass the senate’s tax cut bill. Problem solved.
I think part of the problem is that “austerity” doesn’t sound like a bad thing.
Yet Jon was reporting what the D’s and R’s are doing not presenting his economic plan. However you categorize the expenses I pay every year whether it be actual taxes, increases in health insurance, food, and energy, and newly crafted fees for every other service or product I need I am being taxed by the PTB. You shouldn’t be able to have a petting zoo on the grounds of your 50 room mansion because you are the current CEO of United Health. That greed and irresponsible avarice by the 1% is the real problem; fix that and taxes would take care of themselves.
I think the plan is to drive the car into the ditch before it goes over the clif.
I would allow the petting zoo if he didn’t have a beach house in St. Barts, a ski chalet in Aspen and St.Moritz, a 60 foot yacht in Lauderale, and a private jet for his wife’s two Shitzus.
THAT’S just waaaay over the line.
TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Chill out we have air bags. Wait…is this a FORD?
newcarguy @ 18: yep, ;o(
I bet we wouldn’t have no stinkin’ fiscal cliff if Romney were the Pres. Or even Dr Jill Stein the Holy.
bluedot @ 23: yep, we’d immediately return to cheney’s “deficits don’t matter,” IOKIYAR.
If we go over the cliff and The Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich go away I’d prefer no new tax cuts, lest the 98% catch the same amount of sh!t as the rich have gotten the last 10 years.
How can that be? I’ve lived my whole life knowing that if we don’t beat the deficit, it will beat us. I can almose hear the bill collectors coming to get us and they look Chinese or Japanese to me.
Wait a minute, I’m willing to take that shit.
“This is ‘On Star-National Economic Center’, how may I help you?”
“We’ve got injured here, many injured.”
“How many?”
“About 280 million people”
…….
bd….As a rule, the tall ones are Chinese and the short ones are Japanese.
OTOH, they will soon learn the meaning of the phrase, “You can’t get blood out of a turnip.”
Hey that gives me an idea…remember the saying What is good for General Motors is good for the Country I remember they saved themselves by going bankrupt……let’s put that on the effin table.
Fuck ‘em all.
enuf said. Could you make that into a lawn sign. :)
The House of Representatives, under the leadership of Speaker Boehner, has invented the two-day work week. So I won’t worry about them having to “work” through Christmas.