
In an interview with Barbara Walters, the President leaves the door open to raising the Medicare retirement age
While many top Democrats, like Nancy Pelosi, have been come out against raising the Medicare eligibility age, they are not directly part of the current negotiations. Right now the negotiations are taking place solely between President Obama and Speaker John Boehner. In an interview to be broadcast this Friday night, ABC’s Barbara Walters asked the President about the possibility of raising the Medicare eligibility retirement age, and he did not dismiss it as unacceptable. From ABC News:
Raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 is “something that’s been floated,” Obama said, not dismissing the idea outright.
“When you look at the evidence, it’s not clear that it actually saves a lot of money,” he said. “But what I’ve said is let’s look at every avenue, because what is true is we need to strengthen Social Security, we need to strengthen Medicare for future generations, the current path is not sustainable because we’ve got an aging population and health care costs are shooting up so quickly.”
This is a uniquely terrible policy idea. The reason it is still being discussed is in large part because the Obama administration refuses to affirmatively come out against it. If Obama had said the idea was unacceptably bad for regular Americans weeks ago, the issue would have been dropped.
Obama previously agreed to this change last year as part of a possible debt ceiling deal, and he is still leaving the door open to it once again.




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Obama is never happier than when he is behind closed doors, giving our stuff away. It’s his modus operandi.
http://youtu.be/AlC0r-aH1qs
Notice how he doesn’t say Medicare for All, or a Medicare buy-in, are ideas that have been “floated.”
What a douche.
the Full Orszag
Raising the Medicare age = more customers for Obamacare = the game plan all along.
Riffing off your clever comment this morning at Over Easy,
I wanted a FITZ and all I got was the Full Orszag.(Baa Humbug).
A new expression is born.
That one’s going to be useful.
Great minds think alike?
Its good to see your fonts, cbl and Jane. The Over Easy thread this AM got me inspired again.( and a bit nostalgic for the Good ole Days.)
You can say THAT again!
I didn’t vote for him last time and I won’t vote for hinm next time either.
Well…..you know what I mean.
When people realize that Medicare is being looted through being reconfigured into managed care, they are going to see that we are all being kept from getting healthcare. If people think that getting Medicaid through Obama care is not going to shunt them into managed care, they are going to be really pissed when they find out. Raising the age of eligibility for Medicare is just the symbol of “booting out the old fogies” a la the Full Orszag.
Jebus Gawd, how many old people are they planning to kill? 50,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care now. How many people in their early sixties are toughing it out until they are 65? Add another two years to the wait and how many will die?
At best, this is passive aggressive terrorism. At worst, this is murder.
No unions. Crappy jobs. Crappy health care. We are being managed out of existence. Look over there! A fiscal cliff!
Right now, unless you have a generous empoloyer, AND a job, you are SOL concerning health insurance from the time you are 51 until you are 65.
NOW, you’ll be SOL until 67, a total of 17 years unable to afford and/or obtain health insurance.
He promised “Hope and Change”. Guess he figures he’s batting .500.
Legislaturds are just “thinning the herd”.
We’ll show the PTB and the MOTU. Eventually they will have no slaves to exploit and no country to plunder.
Well, granted, I haven’t worked out ALL the details. But, we will overcome.
You know what else this does? It strips out the meager inheritance that people might get from their parents leaving people with less and less as the generations move though time. Inheritance will no longer apply to the middle class because there won’t be a middle class. The only thing that will grow is income disparity.
I am 63 and I am pissed. I have had cancer three times. What is the likelihood of me making it to 67 without insurance? Right now I am on medi-cal and will probably be ok. I am hoping that it will hold. This is very disquieting. (I am cancer free now)
The American people are going to get rolled.
The question is: what are we going to do about it?
Mary! I am holding you in the light. (You are not the one I am trying to upset or anger)
Please try to imagine a situation where you are in control: Something that helps you not to worry. Today, my favorite is imagining Mr. Orszag driving in a snow storm and getting stuck in a ditch. If he identifies himself, I am going to let him wait for the cops to pull his “booting out all the old fogies” sorry *ss out of the ditch!
I can’t tell you how many of my friends 55+ have no health insurance. So many small companies can’t/don;t provide it. Some give you $300 and say go find your own. If you’ve had practically ANY health “issues” a decent individual policy even with %5,000 deductible will lilkely cost you $600+/month. I’ve seen some at $850+ for an individual. That “65″ was the “goal line” for many. Now, they’re gonna move the goal posts????
The elite want older people dead. Too costly and no profits.
There’s no two ways about it.
Keeping it out there is stirring up the seniors. Democracy for America has a “Hell NO” petition against it.
What exactly should Obama put on the table to show his good faith in negotiating? It is likely that Boehner cannot get his caucus to vote for a deal anyway. The two sides are playing out the clock to determine who gets blamed for the expiration of tax cuts on the middle class and by some constituencies for the spending cuts to their favorite programs.
Yes, as an actual policy it is horrible. But it is among the few items whose impact occurs in the future, which means a future Congress can undo it if the political culture changes. Something that the failure of the Michigan voters to pass the referendum on collective bargaining does not indicate is happening yet.
Even though it is kabuki, It is still good to say “Hell No”.
My oldest daughter is 38 and has an autoimmune disease. Her healthcare went up $70 just because she moved one mile. The insurance company said it was because she would have to change doctors and hospitals. She was actually closer to her doctors and hospitals. So, she had to downgrade her policy to a $5000 deductible. Two weeks ago she found out her insurance was going up by 30%. She will be paying around $600 per month. She cannot afford this.
Gotta admire their determinataion and resolve. /s
What is it with our masters that they have to strip away everything we have, little by little and all in the name of debt none of them understand?
Grayson may have been right all along. If you get sick, have the decency to die quickly. One time that was the Rs game. Now the dims are into it as well.
I am and have bene in charge of company insurance for over 25 years. Last month, UNited Healthacare, our provider, accidentally sent someone else’s bill with mine in the same envelope. Obviously machine malfunction. This small company had 8 employees. I don’t know their ages but suspect they must have all been 55+, maybe 60+. Our 48 employees pay a group monthly premium of $418, the boss pays 75%. This OTHER company, the monthly premiums varied by employee from $725 to $1180 per month.
There aren’t two parties. There is one party. The Apocalypse Party.
I respect your knowledge of history and politics, but I must take issue with introducing the idea of fixing it in the future. This is what people said about the ACA. Now the ACA, in addition to all the known failings when it passed, and additional failings that are emerging, is here being used as the excuse to toss people out of Medicare. I don’t recall any demands for “fixing it” having been part of the discussion since the law was passed.
Yes, the political culture needs to be changed, I completely agree with your assessment of that. However, one of the ways to change it is in the kinds of demands we make and solutions we envision, not hoping the loss won’t be as bad or as irreversible as we fear.
It looks like the lessor of two evils is still evil.
Shades of the betrayal on the public option? For months during the ACA secret negotiations, Obama talked about how the public option was a great idea. But he had already secretly given it away to the private health industry. It was a complete con to keep ACA supporters who wanted to keep the public option alive as a path to Medicare for all. But they were betrayed, and the White House continued to deny it. Have we been had again? History suggests, yes.
There is no integrity in this White House, and yet they still ask their followers to call and write letters to support them. As though returning tax rates on the rich to prior levels is a logical trade off to risking health car for hundreds of thousands is fair and balanced. It’s mindless, illogical, cruel and dishonest.
The PTB and MOTU better do some reading up on the Russian Revolution. Didn’t end well for the ruling party.
And, becoming harder and harder to make that determination.
He will not have a chance to recover from this betrayal. History will judge his legacy. If he goes forward with this history will not be kind.
(((marymccurnin & dau))) I am so sorry to hear that you have these problems. I have said since early in w’s admin that the aim of the powerful is to drive us all into poverty or let us die. You and your family are simply the poster people for the fate of the rest of us. With all of the financial give-aways to banksters and other big bidness, it is obvious that neither half of the uniparty have any interest in the people of this nation.
Just remember what Winston Smith’s job was.
Obama doesn’t care. He is doing his job. He is stripping us all of our rights and sometimes our lives. He does it with a smile on his face and has a sweet, seductive personality. He is a master manipulator. When I saw him speaking in Michigan yesterday and “supporting” the unions, I thought “yea, right…”.
I agree. I think it unlikely any congress will reverse Medicare changes and unlikely they will introduce a public option to the ACA. No one has talked about it yet except maybe a few lefties. And we know how much they listen to us. But, hey, we can “hope” for it.
Obama’s response is the kind of response made by a guy that is completely open to the idea and that probably favors it. He just wants to shift the blame.
Of course he didn’t rule it out. He wants the Grand Bargain more than he wants air to breathe. His hero is Ronald Reagan, not the three initialed dem presidents, FDR, JFK, LBJ. the Grand Bargain is his calling card he believes to legendary presidential status. He is going to get it, it’s what he wants…bad.
Just remember, when you are that age they can charge you 3x what they charge someone younger for insurance per Obamacare.
A $500/month policy will be $1500 for someone 65.
If any of you are interested in direct verbal combat with the Obots, there’s always the comments section of priceman’s diary over at DailyKos.com –
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/12/1169140/-Obama-and-Boehner-s-Grand-Betrayal-Gullible-Democrats-Buy-Into-Good-Cop-Bad-Cop-Theatre
The history of raising the Social Security age from 65 to 67 has some identical aspects. When the law was written in 1983, they promised that Congress would ‘study’ the impact of the law (read reduced benefits) on those persons forced to retire on reduced benefits (in the future) at age 62. THEY NEVER DID THAT. NEVER. 29 years later they are talking about raising the Medicare age from 65 to 67. Do you think that they care that thousands of people will die as a result of being uninsured and not able to afford Obamacare and not being eligible for Medicaid?? Hell no. They did not care about those affected by changes they made 29 years ago to Social Security. They won’t care about those affected by changes they make today.
Discussions about fixing the ACA were shelved by the Progressive Caucus as soon as its fate was decided:
Further down:
If you have long-distance service and you want to call your Senators and give them a piece of your mind here is a site for that.
Would you like some other fun math?
Currently a 20 year old who makes $50,000/year (I know, just making one up) will pay $120/month for Medicare (hospital only, no doctor or drug coverage) that he won’t have access to for 45 years.
Explain please.
During that time the 20-year-old’s grandparents, parents, aunts, and uncles will have access to health care. Then, when he or she is old and sick, other 20-year-old will be doing their share toward this being a country which has found a way to ensure that our elderly people have access to medical care.
Of course, if we had Medicare for All, we would all pay and all have access to medical care all our lives, which would be even better.
Odd………..all other major industrialized countries have national healthcare. Wonder what exactly is holding that up here??????
Medicare payroll taxes are 1.45% of all wages (employee plus employer). So 2.9% of $50,000 is $120 per month. Payable from every paycheck until he’s eligible for Medicare at age (currently) 65, 45 years down the road. Of course he’ll pay more as his income goes up.
But that’s only for HI (Hospital Insurance), doctor and drug coverage costs more when he gets there.
Seems like we need Medicare for all. Doesn’t it?
And #50
Medicare for All would be great if someone else would pay for it. We currently tax 2.9% of all workers wages to cover the hospital insurance for 45M retireds. Then we charge the olds $100/month for doctor and drugs, which covers 25% of those costs, and finally transfer any shortfall from the general fund (paid for with income taxes or deficit spending).
If only we could add 6 times the number of people for free it would be perfect.
Come on.
FIX THE OUT OF CONTROL HEALTH CARE COSTS!!!!!!!
Hospitals, the drug industry, the pharma industry. They pay themselves like they are military contractors for gods sake.
Why do you keep responding to these discussions with the idea that people are proposing that it be free? There have been any number of proposals for a progressive tax structure to pay for it, and links have been provided again and again. You have yet to show that a private, for-profit, health care “industry” can do a better job for the majority of people.
I don’t disagree with that.
We could start by not extending the doc fix. The law was passed in ’97 and has been patched every year since. If Congress does nothing doctor Medicaid reimbursements go down 31%. That’s some real health care cost control.
Start with the damn pharma advertising. NO MORE.
Then cut out the blood sucking health insurance CEOs and C level executives multi million dollar pay. BTW the highest paid CEOS in the country are in pharma.
No more hospital administrators making a half million or more a year.
Doctors will need to find another reason to practice medicine besides buying a new German automobile every year.
Exactly and Thank you.
Mexico can have Universal health care,
““Mexico devised and implemented a reform and then demonstrated, with evidence, how a large, middle-income country can transform its health system and successfully achieve universal health coverage in one decade,” said Minister Chertorivski, an alum of Harvard Kennedy School and a participant in the Harvard Ministerial Leadership Forum, which convened for the first time in June.”
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/features/mexico-universal-health.html
but the USA can’t.
Current Medicare payroll taxes, premiums and fees only cover about 1/2 of Medicare costs. The rest is transfers from general revenue. If you want to add 6 times the people covered and change the funding structure to cover costs, I guess that makes it “Something Other Than Medicare For All”.
I’m still trying to figure out what your goal is in these discussions. I guess we could call it “as good or better benefits as those provided to seniors under current Medicare, paid for through progressive tax policies, rather than predatory private insurance and for profit health care systems, for all” but you would probably still object.
:-)
Better make an acronym.
He’s in troll mode on these. Simple. Apparently, he gives this a lot of thought and decides there is no solution, a position he must then champion. Frankly, it’s ridiculous. He would contribute as much by saying nothing.
I think that maybe, just maybe, the general public is starting to come around to the realization that this president is going to cut Medicare and Social Security. It’s not an accident, it’s not a bad dream, it’s not Republicans making him do something he doesn’t wanna do, it’s not eleventh-dimensional chess. It’s Barack Obama’s agenda.
I am a strong advocate for Improved Medicare for All Now!
We all will contribute, we all will benefit. Our current system, and proposed “fixes”, generate profit for a few while disabling, killing and impoverishing millions.
We can do better, we deserve better, we are not broke!
I am the owner and insurance purchaser for my small business. My personal premium (United Healthcare – I am 60) is $650.00 per month, $2,500.00 deductible (additional $250 for a hospital admission). Also drug and Doc visit co-pays. One thing – costs vary tremendously from state to state. Part of that is because the average cost per day in hospital varies tremendously.
I spent a day researching it once – seriously considered moving, but in the end stayed in my state because my state law protects me with the “group” rate even if I got down to one employee (me). What “protection” really means in that context is that I could GET insurance (which as an individual even with good health and no chronic issues is not guaranteed, as others here have testified), because any business under 50 (I think, but maybe fewer) employees is actually PRICED individually.
But he won’t have to worry about or help pay for his parents or grandparents healthcare.
YES.
YES! YES! YES!
Ok, but if he chooses to not have kids he gets no Medicare when he’s old.