Perhaps the greatest sign that the “debt debate” in Washington lacks substance or any real concern about the deficit is that there is never an actual objective goal, like a deficit that is some percent of GDP by 2022. Instead the calls seem always focused on demanding a single grand bargain deal for “$4 trillion in reductions.” This oft repeated call rarely acknowledges that without an agreed baseline this number is meaningless, and most bizarrely ignores the simple mathematical fact that the same level of reduction could also be achieved through a series of small deficit-related bills.
The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler “fact check” of Obama last night shows how completely this demand for a $4 trillion deal is detached from reality or basic math in Washington.
Obama often claims that his plan has the “balanced approach” of the Simpson-Bowles deficit commission proposal, but the Simpson-Bowles plan is actually quite different, calling for tough spending cuts and substantial tax reforms — not the faux proposals contained in the president’s budget.
For instance, Simpson-Bowles envisioned $4 trillion in debt reduction over nine years; the president’s plan would spread the cuts over 10 years. A good chunk of the savings from deficit reduction piles up in that last year. When the two plans are compared apples to apples, Simpson-Bowles yields about $6.6 trillion in deficit reduction — 50 percent more than Obama’s plan.
Obama’s $4 trillion figure, for instance, includes counting some $1 trillion in cuts reached a year ago in budget negotiations with Congress. So no matter who is the president, the savings are already in the bank.
(emphasis mine)
In no other policy decision would anyone apply such idiotic logic. If the President promised to build four new highways and was able to get one of them built already, he won’t be expected to put forward a new plan to build a total of four more highways. If you have a plan and you have already achieved part of it, you get credit for what’s accomplished. It should not matter if something is done piecemeal or in one big stroke.
While you would expect this basic logic to be self-evident, it never seems to be applied to the deficit debate. No matter how much deficit reduction is enacted with smaller laws, the goal is never changed to reflect the new reality, instead the deficit hawks’ demand constantly remains for a “$4 trillion deal.”
I would also be remiss not to point out that the “Simpson-Bowles commission” never produced a report because it was rejected by the commission members. The proposal Kessler seems to be referring to is one simply put forward by two individuals, Simpson and Bowles. Of course I’m probably just being pedantic to expect the facts in a “fact check” column to be right.





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Simpson’s an icon, no?
He looks so conscientious and attentive, but don’t hand him a sharp object. Where’s his spoon?
The sooner the Democratic Party dies, the better. And Barack Obama might succeed in killing it off.
The main tell that it is not serious is the framing of it as a 10-year budget figure. $4 trillion over 10 years. Almost any ten year period will have a period of rising revenues that will make achieving the target easier. And $4 trillion over ten years is an average target of $400 billion a year for each of those 10 years (adjusted for debt service).
And then there’s the fact that anything passed in December can be undone in January by the new Congress without any consequences. No Congress can bind the decisions of a future Congress except as that future Congress decides to be bound to a precedent. Just look at the weaseling around on the fiscal cliff–within a single session of Congress.
It’s not logic, it’s politics. It’s deficit-trolling with crocodile tears for the next generation at its most aggressive. Obama is aiming a subsidies for obsolescent industries, like oil and coal. The GOP is aiming at entitlements. Do you really think there can be a deal? Especially in the context of the experience with the “fiscal cliff”.
As Dr. Stein and Rocky Anderson pointed out in last nights debate a vibrant stimulated economy gets rid of the deficit almost as fast and everybody is at work while it’s happening instead of in the soup line as Obama and Rmoney propose.
‘an actual goal’ might make better sense than your bloat, assuming you mean ‘an achievable goal’.
A goal is the end, whatever is to be finally accomplished. Objectives are the means (along the way) for achieving that goal. An objective is one of those means.
Never mind, Mister Inventor.
This is an important point (DDay, take note). There is a RHETORIC of concern about the deficit but–as always–it’s about making deals that benefit the rich. Insisting on addressing the deficit serves to discipline us all not to DARE talk bout aprograms to help the middle class or poor–the money simply isn’t THERE, don’t you plebians know? Behind such cover, both parties seek out projects that can hand the next cornerstone institution to Wall St.
God bless us when they’re through with schools and social security, because they’ve already got everything that’s not nailed down. And they’re obviously too busy robbing us to stop and ask how we’re going to buy all their stuff when we’ve got no jobs, nothing.
Yesterday was infinitely depressing. I felt so badly for my wife this morning; she was beyond distraught. The glaring truth of the two parties’ disdain for us was just. . . so. . . apparent, the way those two bastards just fell to barking at each other about deficits when asked about JOBS, AS IF WE WEREN’T THERE. And meanwhile the Times can come up with utter garbage about the stark differences the debate illuminated between the two candidates!!!
It’s psychological warfare, comrade.
…good comment…goes and gets to the middle…thank you
Hey Matthew Detroit ,I agree completely with your very insightful and well-stated comment .This creates the climate for austerity to be the entire focus of debate .Consequently , we are made to forget that the banksters blew up the economy ,created massive red ink due to a hideously shrunken revenue base ,not some imaginary spending spree ,and now these bankster parasites are exploiting the depression they caused to place privatized claims on public revenue streams .i.e., command-coerced consumption .
The elites would be as stupid as we if they expanded the job , consumption . and revenue bases .The owners are socialized monopolists ,and ,as in the eurozone ,will spend those sidelined trillions when our public and private assets can be seized at fire-sales prices on the national monopoly board .
Yes, yes. You wonder what the hoarding is for.
Last I checked, “objective” was an adjective (fact-based, unbiased) as well as a noun (something to be obtained). I feel fairly confident that Jon was using it in the first sense, not the second, as you assumed.
In which case, you would, in my opinion, owe Jon an apology. Although you might object to that, not wanting to be the object of my derision, if you feel I am not being sufficiently objective enough in my pursuit of this particular grammatical objective.
I’m pretty sure the major deficit problem facing this country is the deficit between the number of corrupt, venal, executives/politicians/bankers/lobbyists/”journalists” hacking for the .01%, and the significantly smaller number of said hacks’ eviscerated corpses swinging from light poles. If we could just close this gap, even a little, the country would greatly improves.
Even if it’s just the two a-holes from Wednesday night, it would be a swing in the right direction. ;)