If President Obama’s obsession over the past three and a half year with reaching a “grand bargain” with Republicans on the deficit left any doubt about what Obama’s second term would be focused on, then his convention acceptance speech should put an end to that.
The speech focused more on what Obama had done than what he plans to do, but one of the very few areas where he talked about going forward was on deficit reduction. From Obama’s nomination acceptance (via NPR)
You can choose a future where we reduce our deficit without sticking it to the middle class. (Cheers, applause.) Independent experts say that my plan would cut our deficit by $4 trillion. (Cheers.) And last summer I worked with Republicans in Congress to cut a billion dollars in spending, because those of us who believe government can be a force for good should work harder than anyone to reform it so that it’s leaner and more efficient and more responsive to the American people. (Cheers, applause.)
I want to reform the tax code so that it’s simple, fair and asks the wealthiest households to pay higher taxes on incomes over $250,000 — (cheers, applause) — the same rate we had when Bill Clinton was president, the same rate we had when our economy created nearly 23 million new jobs, the biggest surplus in history and a whole lot of millionaires to boot.
(Applause.)
Now, I’m still eager to reach an agreement based on the principles of my bipartisan debt commission. No party has a monopoly on wisdom. No democracy works without compromise. I want to get this done, and we can get it done.
But when Governor Romney and his friends in Congress tell us we can somehow lower our deficits by spending trillions more on new tax breaks for the wealthy, well — (boos) — what’d Bill Clinton call it? You do the arithmetic. (Laughter, cheers, applause.) You do the math.
I refuse to go along with that, and as long as I’m president, I never will. (Cheers, applause.) I refuse to ask middle-class families to give up their deductions for owning a home or raising their kids just to pay for another millionaire’s tax cut. (Cheers, applause.) I refuse to ask students to pay more for college or kick children out of Head Start programs to eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans who are poor and elderly or disabled all so those with the most can pay less. I’m not going along with that. (Continued cheers, applause.)
And I will never — I will never turn Medicare into a voucher. (Cheers, applause.) No American should ever have to spend their golden years at the mercy of insurance companies. They should retire with the care and the dignity that they have earned. Yes, we will reform and strengthen Medicare for the long haul, but we’ll do it by reducing the cost of health care, not by asking seniors to pay thousands of dollars more.
(Cheers, applause.) And we will keep the promise of Social Security by taking the responsible steps to strengthen it, not by turning it over to Wall Street. (Cheers, applause.)
(emphasis mine)
Obama is in a very tight election at the moment, so this speech would have been a perfect time to set a clear and popular contrast between himself and Romney. Obama could have made an unequivocal promise to protect the social safety net as a juxtaposition to Romney’s plan to cut it. But that is not what he did.
Instead, Obama seemed to go out of his way to leave himself rhetorical wiggle room for embracing cuts later. Obama refuses to cut popular programs to pay for tax cuts for the rich, but he doesn’t flat out refuse to cut these programs. Obama won’t ask seniors to “pay thousands of dollars more” for Medicare but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t ask them to pay less than that. Obama won’t turn Social Security over to Wall Street but he clearly didn’t promise to not cut benefits.
Obama had the option between making bold promises that could help his re-election or using weak phrases that would make it easier for him to push for cuts to entitlements in his second term. Obama choose the latter.
Obama really wants a grand bargain and if he is re-elected that is what he is going to work for.





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Did you mean: Chewed the lather? Eschewed the latte? Or, punched the hippies?
Peter Peterson must be the happiest man in America.
Heads, he wins; tails, we lose.
thanks typo fixed
The purpose of Barry’s speech was to convince you a dime is a mile wide.
Mr Walker,
I cannot long abide your numerous imagined negative, fearful scenarios. ty
What imagined? Obama directly said he wants to reach an agreement that would cut many social safety net programs.
In his acceptance speech Obama spoke approvingly of implementing the (failed) Bowles-Simpson BS in front of the entire fucking nation.
There are limits to denial.
You have to love that those bad-mouthing the President are giving the Mitt/Ryan a Pass.
Paul Ryan and his buddy Mit Romney to this day have played “I’ve Got A Secret, Trust Us Game with the American Electorate.
However, the writer give them a complete pass.
Our President was very Specific but he will never be Specific for some, especially those who are bitter and looking for anything to hurt the American People.
It amazes me that blogs take no consideration for the lives of American Citizens, just what trinkles their fancy at the time.
Let’s hear from the Mitt/Ryan team, because to this date they have been ducking and dodging and Lying their way through every question asked.
How about covering that aspect.
Once again there are some who will never be satisfied with anything the President says or does.
I just heard Jeb Bush say President Bush “Kept Us Safe” can anyone say September 11, 2004 undeer who’s watch, whos Presidency?
It would be nice if those who so aply share their articles would be so kind to gather FACTS before releasing Blogs.
What we have in this article is the writers OPINION. You know what they say about opinions.
Finally, and seriously, we need facts this is a very serious time in our history, lives are on the line, Seniors lives and livelyhoods are at risk, Disabled Seniors, Disabled Kids, American Jobs and our way of life. This is more serious than it’s been since the Great Depression.
As a result, we need facts because if people choose wrong because of Opinions these writers can’t say OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!
Journalist have a responsibility to investigate and tell the facts, we know times have changed and the media today is 90% opinions and 10% or less facts. I would love to see one Blog or Media just stick to the facts, like Walter Cronkite and other Credible Journalist back when our Media and journalist and writers could be trusted because they knew that American lives and livelihoods were always at stake during these times.
Think about it!
Certainly not a big fan of Obama here, these criticisms are well placed and we really need a left party in the US with true national stature. This would force real changes of a desperately needed sort, a shifting in the trajectory of national policy and the future.
That said, I think there is, in part simply due to the fact that the two party system offers no left options at all, a stark difference between a next Obama administration and a Romney administration.
Romney is one of the most dishonest hacks to run for president in a long time. It is not even clear that he actually holds a belief system. The man is a low-class uncouth tax evading liar and he appears to be running for president almost exclusively with the agenda of cutting taxes on people like himself. There doesn’t seem to be any other purpose to his candidacy.
Obama is the better choice, and there is a choice in this election.
And to make it clear right now my personal sense of what to do with my own vote this year is to not vote at all. I am tired, beyond tired, of legitimizing this broken, corrupt, irredeemable political class and “democracy” by exercising my token “right to vote” within it.
it is a disgrace to the DEms to propose this,let the pols have their BENEFITS CUT
Every word you say is true but Rmoney would be orders of magnitude worse and the Electoral College is never going to elect a third party candidate. Got any solutions? I think all we can do is elect the guy and then absolutely refuse to allow him to gut Social Security.
at least the remaining DEMS would fight Mittens
You’re almost there, just one more adjustment:
“Obama choose the latter”
Choose should be chose.
I fully agree with your article and was overwhelmingly disgusted with Obama’s speech last night.
“Refuse to allow him” how, exactly? Threaten to misspell his name?
The more people join leftist third parties, the quicker they grow and the louder DC hears their message.
I am with you my friend. The fatigue factor is overwhelming and my level of disappointment is impossible to put into words. This hippie will watch the fun from the sidelines. The snowball is rolling down the hill and neither of these two posers will stop it. My lesser of two evils days are over. Peace.
why is it that taking the cap off fica appears to be off the table?
removing this cap solves so many funding problems. far into the future.
it is the simplest solution. and more to the point, those earning more than the cap[approx $106,000 i think] will really never notive that. nor would the employers.
You have to wonder why Obama thinks he can compromise with a GOP that more resembles a rabid pack of jackals than a group of rational human actors.
I always vote third party down ticket but since you seem to have all of the answers, please describe to me the scenario in which the EC will elect a third party candidate. And let’s not get all into this “eliminate the Electoral College” bullshit because though I’m all for that, it AIN’T gonna happen between now and November. It’s just not.
I have voted for every Democratic candidate for President since 1972 only to have Obama put Medicare eligibity age on the table as soon as I turned 60. Has he taken it off the table? Well I am not going to vote for that by accident.
Maybe bc Obama, himself, is a rabid jackal and not a human being?
Thank you! Not snark. NOW I finally *get* the purpose of this Klown in the race. I do think you’re correct.
They’ve never fought the Republicans without giving away the store and then declaring victory before and I can’t think of a single reason why they would start now. Do you honestly think that electing Rmoney will cause the Democrats to grow a collective spine? Cause if you do, I have a bridge for sale. Cheap.
Frankly, from where I sit, I think it’s damned if we do, and damned if we don’t. The 1% has gotten us over a barrel. I see some good and rather persuasive arguments being made for voting for Obama, rather than a third party.
That said, I think we’re fucked either way. Unsure that Bishop Willard will be worse. My loathing of both these crooks knows no bounds.
Well, after all, Obama is the guy who assembled the Catfood Commission in the first place. Washington will not back down on this; it’s hellbent on Social Security and Medicare cuts, and it’ll force ‘em through one way or another.
I did wonder a bit if his throwing out “the grand bargain” is a sort of provocation to see again that the Rs really will not agree with anything. I also wonder if that would free him up to do something more creative. Who knows? But the clear bargain obviously is an invitation to engage the Rs; I do not think they will play.
That’s what I think. I doubt that Obama will cut the 99% a better break than Willard. They both work for the same corp overlords.
Here’s what Ian Welsh had to say in the comment section of his latest blog; he is spot on:
http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-dnc/
So continue to vote for this profoundly evil man, disregard the calls to vote your conscience, and end up with a world much, much worse that it is right now. You might end up with it, anyway, but at least you’ll know you didn’t help it along by voting for either of these horrible scumbags who are trying to pass themselves off as human beings.
That is the most cogent and accurate comment made on this thread so far. Sorry folks, I’m really not trying to piss people off and you all know that I’m not an Obot and that I almost never defend party Democrats but I’ve got to point out the reality of the situation as I see it.
Yep. Sadly, this is a reality that Americans seem especially reluctant to come to grips with.
And you think the Democrats will have the spine to oppose Obama ? Your mistake is in thinking that Obama is an honest, honorable guy who will do what he thinks is best for the country. That’s why Corzine, Blankfein, Dimon, etc. are all in prison now, right ? That’s why Guantanamo is closed, right ? That’s why the Bush tax cuts for the trust fund babies and corporate fat asses were repealed in February 2009, right ? That’s why the NDAA was signed by Obama, right ? I could go on and on but there is no point trying to persuade Obamabots.
I think it’s more of an invitation for the 1% to throw some money at him…
Name calling now? If you had any clue at all who I am, you wouldn’t call me Obamabot. But name calling is the refuge of people who can’t make a cogent argument.
Oh yeah, and flagged for name calling and putting words into my mouth and thoughts into my head.
they always piss and moan how horrible their Gooper counterparts are,they would have to fight them hard,no one wants gooper-lite
Which of the points I made are incorrect ?
Thanks. While I have no love lost on Mitt RMoney and his job-destroying ways, my bile rises when I think about Obama. While I could tolerate watching 20 min or so of HornDog Clinton speechifying, I simply could not bear to watch one nanosecond of the poseur in the empty suit.
Obama is a War Criminal, who should be dragged into the Hague every bit as fast (if not faster) than Cheney/Bush/etc. He’s assassinated US citizens and then turned to the 99% and told us to STFU about it cuz he da man. He’s busted whistleblowers without a thought. Told the nation that, as a supposed Constitutional Law Prof, that Pfc Bradley Manning was guilty before Manning was even charged. I have no doubt that Julian Assange is absolutely correct to hide in the Ecuador Embassy bc Obama loathes Assange for blowing the whistle on him. No due process; just squash him like a bug.
The secret agencies have grown at an astonishing rate under Obama, and it’s all the better to spy and peep on citizens who are duly put on a short leash. Those riot thug police at the 2 conventions?? That was Obama and his 1% overlords flexing their muscles to tell us who’s the BOSS.
I will NOT vote for him. No.
So when Chicken Mitt, The Great Avoider said…I’m running for President for Pete’s sake…he meant Petersen? Or as Dana Millbank says The Grand Bargain is “The Final Solution”.
When did I say or even imply that? I’m waiting for your evidence that’s what I think or your heartfelt apology. I’m not going to put up with this shit this cycle. Find some proof that I believe what you claim or fuck the hell off!
Agreed!! We need a third party that actually supports such things as the social safety net, unions, workers, and the CONSTITUTION – which both parties are gutting our Rights!
“Romney would be orders of magnitude worse”
The guy who has never ordered the deaths of American citizens would be worse than the guy who has?
See my comment @37. Then apologize. I’ll wait.
I respect your opinions, Margaret, but I do have say that, with deep respect, I disagree about voting for Obama this time around. I believe that I understand what you’re saying, but… for me: no can do.
The dog help us all: that’s all I can say.
BTW, I have NO expectation in the slightest that a Third Party candidate could ever “win” this time around. But for me, it’s about voting for my conscience and who I think would, ideally, be worthy of the position. That’s just me. I don’t believe you agree with me, but hopefully like minds can disagree. I certainly know that you are not an Obamabot.
“Obama’s recovery is MORE unequal than Bush’s was. More. More money is going to the rich.”
Link
@lefttown
you have it right. who are we if we make our own bargains with the blood of people around the world obama has been knocking off without recourse to law? not to mention the blood of the uninsured in this country he jettisoned by not going for single payer as he had promised.
vote jill stein or boycott.
The topic is about the Catfood Commission, not the wars. And yes, Rmoney hasn’t even mentioned the war or American Service members. Not sure why that would be “better” in anybody’s mind.
I haven’t decided who I’m voting for this time around. If my state is competitive, I may vote Obama but otherwise, Stein’s my gal.
Your statement from #11:
“Every word you say is true but Rmoney would be orders of magnitude worse”
That says it all. No apology appropriate or given.
“the Electoral College is never going to elect a third party candidate”
Yup, in our system third parties can never rise to prominence. That’s why the Federalist Party holds so much power today.
“Rmoney hasn’t even mentioned the war or American Service members. ”
Can you possibly be more upset that Romney hasn’t mentioned America’s troops than you are that Obama has had American citizens assassinated without charging or trying them for crimes? Are there really people like that?
You clearly said:
And you clearly can’t support it. But by all means, double down.
Got it. I’m in CA, so… do the math… I’m good to go with Stein.
Pick your poison: austerity is coming either way. The DNC seemed to do a better job of making people feel awesome about it.
You’re trying to put words into my mouth also. Of course I don’t feel that way but ya know, I’m not going to spend time bandying words with somebody who registered here today. You have absolutely no idea what you’re saying.
Being in Texas, I’m probably going to be able to support Stein too but after the way Repugs have treated immigrants, that may change.
Margaret,
Obama is campaigning on austerity, benefits cuts, a higher retirement age (more benefit cuts) and so on. He’s rather upset he isn’t getting enough credit in the press for his efforts to toss old people, the disabled, poor and so on… onto the trash heap. His own speech said things have to get tougher (not for people in his class, of course) before they can get better… but he won’t specifically define either “tougher” or “better.”
Voting for Obama means supporting his agenda. It just so happens his agenda means doing a great deal of socio-economic damage to people who aren’t rich.
Inequality has gotten worse faster under Obama than even Bush. That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s policy-driven!
So a vote for Obama is a vote for all that and much, much more.
Does seem that way, doesn’t it? No comprende.
I definitely see at least Vouchers in everyone’s future, no matter what.
I do not disagree with you. That said, most likely the same shit (or worse) will happen with MittBot. We are fucked.
I will vote Third Party. Jill Stein.
He is bullshitting. His bipartisan debt commission rejected the Simpson-Bowles report, which were simply the the recommendations of the co-chairs that he appointed to head that commission:
* one of whom, Alan Simpson, has referred to the 99% as “the lesser people” and to Medicare as “a milk cow with 300 million tits”
* and the other of whom, Erskine Bowles, has endorsed Paul Ryan and his budget.
Bear in mind that he’s speaking of his Catfood Commission, which was financed by Pete Peterson and who provided all of the staffing for it. In case you don’t know who Peterson is, he’s a multibillionaire; per the Wikipedia:
In short, he put up a billion dollars to get rid of “entitlements,” which he and others in the 1% think are a major drag on their economy.
And then that duplicitous jackass, Obama, continues:
By now everyone knows that Alan Simpson, Erskine Bowles, Pete Peterson, Robert Rubin, and Barack Obama use “strengthen” as a code-word for “cutting,” when they talk about what they love to call “entitlements.”
You are the third commentator on this thread alone who has made some really broad assumptions about me and what I believe. Maybe you should read further and then extract your foot from your mouth.
I’d love to stay and fend off straw men, name calling, absurd assumptions and ad hominem attacks but I have stuff to do, like get on my bike before it’s too dark to ride.
It’s been a slice!
There’s little left for the world’s financiers to own and to profit from, except a nation states wealth (natural resources). Which way do we go? Follow the Soviets breakdown model of corrupt capitalism and give it over to the Koch’s? Or just outright like Greece and have an auction? Austerity is the medicine their political toadies will use to get us to give in and accept selling off the parking meters. To accept the “necessary fees” soon needed for the deal to be worthwhile. For them. The political Daly’s will then take those monies and lower the worrisome “debt” and then we’ll hear of a new, new Morning in America. And for the 1% again to have their pound for profit, uncaring of the pennies left for our pain.
There is a choice and it’s in the difference in how it will come about. The Daddy Party holds our noses waiting for us to open our mouths to breathe, pouring the medicine down our throats then squeezing them closed, forcing the acceptance of the “cure.” Romney/Ryan are just who they say they are, the country will be KB Toys and Dunkin’ Donuts, burdened with debt, R&R selling off the good stuff to the connected few. On the other hand the Mommy Party’s approach is softer, seemingly empathetic – a spoonful of sugar helps…. Grand Bargains – “You understand dear, we had to sell, we had to break your piggy bank, we all need to sacrifice. I no longer go to the salon, daddy only uses the public courses now. You understand, don’t you?”
Our willingness and acceptance of the authority of our “good” leaders compels us to see no other way out. Children seldom say no to the adults. So with R/R we get true Shock Doctrine policies, ripping the band-aid off the social safety net and government protections. With O/B we’re treated to an illusion of something being done to protect our footing, all the while the constant movement of Geithner’s and Bernanke’s Wall Street Capitalism chips away at the foundation.
The planet’s changing climate worry’s them all and will do more damage then they could possibly do, and it will do it to all of us, even them. We are led by greedy fools who don’t have a clue what to do beyond getting and keeping power every 2 years.
Yes. Well put. Thanks.
Off and running. TGIF everyone. Be kind to one another. It’s all we got.
I’m VOTING my conscience this yr. After 40+ yrs. of voting for Dims. It’s JILL STEIN time! Enough already with the UNI-Party aka the Money Party.
Exactly! Nate Silver rates CA 99% to go for Obama. So the only question was Stein vs. Anderson. I’m choosing Stein over Anderson for two reasons:
* She is further left economically.
* The Green party has more momentum that the Justice party, and my vote is primarily intended to contribute whatever it can to the downfall of the current so-called “two-party system.”
Well said.
If Obama is reelected, we will have had two presidents in a row whose top priority in a second term is to start the process of smashing Social Security, yet these two men bear opposite party labels and virtually opposite personal images.
As with Bush, look to the victory press conference following Election Day for this agenda to be made fully explicit.
Eight years of advancing plutocracy and degradation of civic life may mean that this effort will now succeed regardless of who is president next year. Or perhaps, as in 2005, the self-preservation instinct in members of Congress of both parties will still be strong enough that the proposal will quietly (and temporarily) die in the first year of the new administration with nothing to show for it other than a sad, largely ignored one-man presidential road show.
But considering Obama’s success in his first term in neutralizing Democratic opposition to much that was previously considered right-wing, it seems to me hard to dispute that, *on the margin*, returning him to office this fall will make it *easier* for the lawless forces of concentrated wealth to start killing off Social Security, with ultimate success in the effort made *more likely*.
Combine the above with the fact that, in contrast to Obama, we don’t really know that Romney personally has his sights set on Social Security, and how can you argue that an Obama victory is even the lesser of two evils on this issue? On this issue, as well as some others, I agree with Glen Ford of Black Agenda Report that Obama is the “more effective evil”.
But this distinction is, as I said above, just on the margin. The drive to demolish economic security for the masses is obviously bipartisan, and seemingly irresistible.
Non sequitur.
Once selected by his peers, who sure the hell ain’t us, this latest imperial president will do what he has been doing: which has been exactly what the % wished him to do.
Re-elect him under the misapprehension that you will have any real control of him after the election and you will be setting yourself up for a nasty surprise.
“I think all we can do is elect the guy and then absolutely refuse to allow him to gut Social Security.”
That’s kinda impossible – once you’ve empowered someone by putting them into office, you can’t then take away their power once they are in office while they at the same time will tout your vote as justification for doing the very things you don’t want done.
“I think all we can do is elect the guy and then absolutely refuse to allow him to gut Social Security.”
There’s no reason at all to vote for someone who wants to cut Social Security in the first place. That’s one of the worst things a president could do. Millions of elderly people depend on SS for most or all of their income, and cutting those benefits would devastate them.
“please describe to me the scenario in which the EC will elect a third party candidate”
The way parties come about is because people leave other parties and old parties die out. When is the last time you saw the Whig party on a ballot? Despite the Whig party starting out as some random 3rd party, multiple members were elected President:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_%28United_States%29
There has been multiple parties in the past and at any one time two political parties may be dominant, but there’s no requirement or historical precedent that it has to be the same two parties indefinitely. So not only can it happen, it already has happened in the US in the past.
I’m assuming that the republicans will keep the House and this won’t ever come to fruition, just like in this term.
“I could go on and on but there is no point trying to persuade Obamabots”
Margaret is not an Obamabot.
I agree with Mr. Walker that Obama Second Term = Grand Bargain
And,that is why Obama is very very unlikely to get my vote. I am very likely to go Green or in an unlikely scenario even vote for Mittens just to ensure that SS and medicare intact.
I would gently ask you to reconsider [believe me, I know "tired"] as follows:
Do you live in a solidly “blue” or “red” state? If so, then your presidential vote doesn’t matter. But I’d urge you to drag yourself to the polls for the following two reasons:
1) perhaps there are “down ticket” Dems [that is to say, "real" Dems] who need your support. Not just in Congress, but throughout your state and locality;
2) think about which column OTHER THAN Rep or Dem you could put your presidential vote in. Yup, the critics are right, that person won’t get elected, but your vote in THEIR column is a “fuck you” to Obama and Romney, proof that you won’t be forced to approve Mr. I’m-so-scared-of-Republicans-I’ll-vote-for-you, you-shithead-Obama.”
It might make you feel better to consider these options.
If you’re in a “battleground” state, be prepared for attacks of how you “want Romney to win.” But please, be kind to yourself and vote your conscience. When the shit hits the fan with Obama as president, you’ll be glad you did.
bbb, please see my response to sixgill @ 71.
Looks like you’re in Wisconsin? You could go work for the guy who’s running against Ryan in his Congressional district. Might actually have a chance of success there.
Possibly, partially true. The refusal of rank and file Republicans to give Obama any kind of fig leaf in the way of something liberalish looking while they pursue their shared goal of dismantling the New Deal may well persist into the next term.
But “ever come to fruition”? “Ever”? Au contraire; time is entirely on their side (assuming the planet continues to be habitable).
In any case, what does your comment say about our political situation? We are relying on the true morons in the Republican House to block the Democrats’ right-wing agenda.
I wouldn’t assume that – Obama as a Lame Duck has absolutely nothing to lose by this time agreeing to the very same Grand Bargain that fell apart last time…he’s not going to be punished for by being a one-termer voted out of office, the Democrats aren’t going to impeach him for it, etc. A President in their 2nd terms is not the same thing as a President in their 1st term all other things being equal.
Nor would it ever happen if we follow your logic to the end. This is not about electoral politics, this is about giving voice to progressive ideas, something that the conservadems, including Obama and Clinton, will never let happen within the Democratic Party. Evidence: what happened in Wisconsin.
Damn Right!
Precisely!
Yes, Rochester has surprised us with so many neoliberal betrayals to this point, I guess some people think he’s run out of right wings in his bag. They misundersetimate the man, completely.
I’m so slow on the uptake that I’m just beginning to appreciate the Orwellian nature of the term “Grand Bargain.”
Kicking the last remaining props out from beneath the middle class is a project entirely lacking in grandeur.
And to those of us who get shorted on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, it won’t be any bargain.
I seem to recall that the reason the Republicans lost the House in 2006 was due to Bush’s incompetence during Katrina AND the desire to gut Social Security. Threaten a Pol’s job and he will respond. We need to threaten Obama until he publicly declares Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are OFF of the table.
I’m getting a little tired of Amerikans whining about losing their rights and entitlements while we support a system that is destroying the planet and inflicting murder and mayhem globally.
Unless we can find a way to stop the terracide that we demand to maintain our lifestyle we deserve every nasty thing that our leaders have planned for us.
Well, 2nd term president Obama is called lame duck,he can take a shit out of the crapper and nothing is gonna happen.His bargain is medicare and Social Security cuts,pick pockets with Obamalosi Care and play a lot of basketball
and golf,raise taxes ,write memories in the meantime and let time pass,that’s the picture.
After election nothing matters.
I will not be voting for this wanker in chief.
The deficit is not the problem. A shrinking middle class/lack of good jobs and resultant lack of economic demand is the problem.
Massive infrastructure investment would also help. Having just come back from the UK, the roads in Minnesota are in a shocking state.
Voting Barack Obama back into the WH is the act that will validate all that Barack Obama has done since Jan.20.2009 as POTUS. Validating what Barack Obama has done/not done as POTUS is giving Barack Obama the OK to do more of it and do it freely. Obama after all is now/has been validated.
This is the genuine political peril of voting to re-elect Barack Obama.
A genuine peril that should not be lightly set aside or brushed aside.
Trying to compartment Barack Obama’s acts/deeds/intents/goals to be able to not face or to avoid or to displace/misplace Obama warmongering/war crimes? To suggest or push idea Obama’s warmongering/warcrimes are “apart” from other components of Barack Obama’s being in the WH? This is what the Obots/Dbots do/seek to do/are doing. Claiming to not be a Obot/Dbot but doing what Obots/Dbots do is what then? Some kind of polished cleverness?
Too bad Barack Obama is the imperiailist/militarist he appears to fully be as I did not hear Obama stating during his DNC I Am Not Mitt Romney rally that the Pentagon/CIA/HLS camps were about to see some Grand Bargains coming their way. I did hear Obama claim the U.S. military/overt/covert forces are the finest in the world. Obama never says that about Social Security or Medicare or about Americans like Bradley Manning. Never.
I guess one could give Barack Obama,G.W.Bush,R.B.Cheney and the likes of Hillary Clinton,Condi Rice,Bob Gates,Don Rumsfeld,Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz endorsement(s) that they were/are just exceptional Americans doing good deeds,spreading democracy and being humanitarian while doing so.Not needlessly or wantonly or heedlessly killing innocent children,elderly,friends or other humans just in the same crowd of those they decide get to die/be dead for not doing what American Empire wanted/wants. That is called validating. I did not validate G.W.Bush and R.B.Cheney doing warmongering and warcrimes. Not going to validate Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton doing it. As for Barack Obama’s intentions to gut SS and maim Medicare in favor of leaving vulnerable,least capable Americans to the the Wall St.,One Percent and AHIP/BigPhARMA wolfpacks Obama is being clear enough about that. Obama can do and will do what Romney likely could not do. Which makes Barack Obama the Perfect DINO.
Electing Barack Obama again to be POTUS is the least best choice possible. It is numbing to see so many validating Obama again after what Obama has done since Jan.20,2009. Killing innocents does not count? Pathetic.
At this point in 2012 one has to accept and resign to fact that Americans now seeking to validate Barack Obama deserve what comes/will come next.
Relax everyone……..Obama is going to lose. Not because Romney is loved but because of lack of interest. Voter participation will be down and the Republicans will make sure many people are turned away from voting . The only ones paying attention and talking about this election are us political hacks and junkies.
Well said…..I curse everytime and get in the car and head out to the MSP Airport.
“I’m getting a little tired of Amerikans whining about losing their rights and entitlements while we support a system that is destroying the planet and inflicting murder and mayhem globally.”
You will find the same ones here who talk about the social safety net also being vociferously against [undeclared] wars – it’s not something mutually exclusive.
Amen. I will never dirty myself voting for the amoral punk Obama again.
Hey metro222@86 ,I can speak for a few peeps and myself when saying I don’t wish that O loses ,I literally don’t give a fuck who wins .If my vote determined the election ,I would still vote for Jill Stein .Only a dem tribalist would say third parties can’t win The reason third parties can’t win is because loser liberals always say third parties can’t win .Any progressive will testify to this:third parties run nationally to expand locally .It is always viewed as a symbiotic interaction between expanding name recognition via values and building grassroots political power .
However ,next to football ,this empire burlesque is great entertainment ,and if the outcome is disputed ,the system either falls or is run under martial law .Since this is the inevitable future outcome ,I’m ready to get on with it before the austerity posse has made resistance impossible . The only optimism I can muster ,envisages a four -party system next time .This two-party scam is already moribund .
Obama punts on first down….He’ll carry the state I live in amyway, so I’m voting blank like I did in 1980.
*ROFLMAO*
Exactly how is that gonna work?!? A lot of people refused to allow him to house-wigger away the public option, yet he did it anyway. A lot of people refused to allow him to house-wigger the jobless and foreclosed by throwing blanket immunity jubilee to banker-terrorist, yet he did it anyway. A lot of people refused to allow him to house-wigger Brad Manning, Thomas Drake, Julian Assange, Wikileaks, and the rest of the whistleblowers in order to futher enable, reward, shield, and defend his unitary-executin’ Bush-esque crusade against them, yet did it any way.
Exactly what in the Jesus H. Dice Collecting ever-loving FUCK are you — in the limited power of your vote and your infantile bubble of “Malignant Optimism” and wishful thinking (that apparently has more stroke and power than everybody’s else bubble) — going to do that could possibly succeed where millions and billions of others have failed?