While in Israel Mitt Romney praised that country’s high quality, low cost health care system. This resulted in a predictable round of mockery from people pointing out that Israel’s heavily government controlled system is exactly the type of “socialism” Romney claims would destroy freedom and economic success if implemented in America. From Ezra Klein:
“Our gap with Israel [on health spending] is 10 points of GDP,” Romney said. “We have to find ways, not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”
Romney’s point about Israel’s success in controlling health care costs is spot on: Its health care system has seen health care costs grow much slower than other industrialized nations.
How it has gotten there, however, may not be to the Republican candidate’s liking: Israel regulates its health care system aggressively, requiring all residents to carry insurance and capping revenue for various parts of the country’s health care system.
While heavy government price control is the “secret” to Israel’s lower health care costs, the simple fact is that it is the same secret used by every other first world country to keep costs down.
Either countries directly own the system and pay fixed salaries to doctors, as in the UK; or they are single payer countries where the government is the only insurer paying a set rate for treatments, as in Canada; or the government creates a regulated all-payer system where all insurance companies pay a low fixed price, as in Japan. While the exact mechanisms vary from country to country the simple fact is that every other first world country pays less for health care because their governments regulate the prices. The governments use some system to mandate that people can’t be overcharged for what is seen as a basic necessity.
This creates a problem for conservatives like Romney. There is not a single country they can point to as a model to show their mostly market-based health care ideas work. This is primarily because their ideas are awful and unworkable.
So any time a conservative says something positive about another first world country’s health care system, by default they are praising a system they would denounce as freedom destroying socialism if it were ever proposed for the United States. This leaves Republicans with the option of either never acknowledging the quality of other countries’ health care systems or looking like a fool when they do. Most Republicans are tactful enough to take the first option of simply never saying anything, but clearly tact is not Romney’s strong suit.




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Gosh golly!
You know Jon, them conservatives, “like Romney”, ARE dumb for saying something ” …positive about another first world county’s health care system.”
And we all got to be genuine pleased that Obama and the Dems are smarter than that.
Gee wiz!
We ain’t gonna hear none of them there Dems saying nuthin’ positive about none of them “socialist” countries, now is we?
Forgive me snark, Jon … but the roaring silence from the Dems on actual and meaningful health CARE reform is simply not very impressive.
And futher, isn’t it too damn bad that there are simply NO alternative views from alternative political parties which might be, just possibly, worth putting before the public … you know, to help broaden the debate?
Yes, I’ll give you that the Republicans are vile and stupid … frankly, however, when all you have to compare ‘em to, are the Dems … well … “vile and stupid” … and self-serving … goes one heck of a long ways … even, “both” ways.
Now, if you have some actual evidence that Obama and the Dems are saying that ‘The “Secret” to International Health Care Cost is Always Government Involvement’ … evidence that is NOT premised upon “more of the same” and secret “deals” … then, by all means, let us hear about THAT.
Again, Jon, I do not seek to give you a hard time, well, not too hard of a time, but don’t you think that it is about TIME to broaden this discussion beyond the two-party hoopla?
If not now, then when do you imagine it might just be a good and proper idea to suggest that there ARE other possibilities than “the people” are being offered?
You have heard, by the way, about the “rebate” nonsense, one imagines … those “rebates” touted as proof that Obamacare is a “success”?
David Dayen has a wee post about it, just today
DW
Our government is “involved” in health care in thousands of different ways. Problem is that the involvement is designed to facilitate whoring for health industry campaign donations.
And it’s been successful.
Romney is an ass clown.
That said, I am more amazed by the Intelligent People response to Romney’s antics in Israel than by the antics themselves. Romney went to Israel to kiss Netanyahu’s ass in front of wealthy American Jewish donors and trigger pullers. He’s there to demonstrate his policy positions in the Middle East, which amount to “I promise to say and do whatever AIPAC and wealthy American Jewish donors tell me to say and do in exchange for money and support.”
Obviously, he was simply going to gush about Israel and promise a green light for anything. Why there is any shock at the excesses of silliness in some of his comments, were they to be taken seriously as reflective of deep policy views, is beyond me.
If I may, I suspect the “shock” to which you refer reflects surprise in that Romney can continually, almost daily, spout such ignorance with a whole staff of people whose sole job it is to make this man a believable and viable candidate for the most powerful job, other than banker on Wall Street or KOch Brother, in the country.
I do not remember in my 61 years a person running for president who appeared this disconnected. George Will said on Sunday, “He can’t be stupid.”
OBjection your honor…..assumes facts not in evidence.
I heard, unconfirmed, Romney ordered some latkes with ham.
Let’s all experience collective amnesia in.re. the fact that O pimped for health INSURANCE legislation formulated by the Heritage Foundation (Koch Bros.) and an ex-Wellpoint executive that provides a captured customer base for the insurance industry while not addressing health CARE.
The only gaffe he has made so far as far as the broad public is concerned is not releasing his tax returns. The public in general does not hear nor could care less about insulting the British over the Olympics, or coming across as extreme and warped in Israel. On the latter item, most people in the country have probably never heard of the Palestinians or Palestine in the modern sense.
I think your earlier analysis in.re. Romney is correct. He’s either decided he doesn’t want the job or has been instructed to take a dive by the PTB. It would be difficult to find anyone as corporate friendly, sporting a “D”, than Obama, especially considering that corporate whore Clinton isn’t running.
I employed the term “ass clown” the other day and was asked for a definition. Could you possibly provide one without referring to a person in the public eye.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ass%20clown
Much perceptive critique regarding both Republican and Democratic complicity in the state of our health care system. We are 37th in the providing of said care world wide and first, by a wide margin, in expenses for health care. We are, when last I looked, 13th in infant mortality.
If we want good solutions we are simply going to have to elect better people to office. That means bringing the cost of electioneering down to a reasonable level so that our politicians do not have to pimp themselves out to the corporate dollar in order to win an exorbitantly expensive election.
So I will post my comment here…..
Scientific integrity is not the trademark of the irrational seeking to limit choice or control the choices of another, on bogus grounds? Or the comments of others…
This is a rare opportunity for to confront politically motivated censorship on blogs written by Mr. Walker.
Congress protected the institution of slavery…
Congress cut deals with slaveholders…
Congress protected slave-owners, not slaves or their children.
Congress was bought by the slave-owner lobby!
Congress did not protect the republic.
Congress protects money, not people!
Thanks. The only definition that appears inappropriate is #2.2. Perhaps I just don’t associate the clown aspect with anal sex.
Oh those mean Republicans, denying us all Universal Health care.