We are still months away from the so called “fiscal cliff” or “taxmaggedon” when among other things the Bush tax cut extension expires. But the Democratic leadership has already started negotiations against itself. With negotiations with the GOP not having really begun, Pelosi has already moved the Democratic ask to the right in a preemptive surrender. From Pelosi’s letter to Speaker John Boehner:
Without further delay, the Majority Leadership should schedule a vote on extension of the middle-income tax cuts, as early as next week, to increase certainty for millions of American taxpayers and for the economy. We should not delay passing this legislation that will help afford all Americans the opportunity to reach their goals and realize the promise of the American Dream.
We must ask the very wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share. Democrats believe that tax cuts for those earning over a million dollars a year should expire and that we should use the resulting revenues to pay down the deficit.
By ensuring that the middle-income tax cuts do not expire, we will put money into the pockets of American consumers, saving the typical middle-income family thousands of dollars per year. Extension of this middle-income tax cut will inject demand into our markets and strengthen small businesses. By investing in both the short-term growth of our economy and the long-term prosperity of our nation, it will empower the entrepreneurial spirit of the American people. We cannot afford another manufactured crisis that unnecessarily threatens the full faith and credit of the United States and jeopardizes our economic recovery.
*emphasis mine
Since President Obama began his campaign back in 2007, the plan was to let the tax cuts expire for those making over $250,000 a year. While the process has been slow, the Democratic leadership’s line now seems to have been officially moved up to only ask the tax cuts expire for those making over $1,000,000 a year. This is really moving the goal post without any concession on the other side.
Given that Democrats didn’t actually end the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000 when they had the opportunity to do so easily using reconciliation in either 2009 or 2010, I’m forced to question whether the Democrats really ever wanted to see taxes on this group return to levels in the Clinton era.
If this is an actual policy negotiation move by Pelosi, it would be pathetic. But if Democrats’ past behavior means that they intended to only ever use this as a political talking point but never implement it, they might as well switch to some number that sounds better in a 30 second TV ad. I suspect the change was purely for political reasons, because “one million dollars” rolls off the tongue and polls slightly better than $250,000. If it’s all meaningless political posturing, we might as well go with the best sounding posture.
Regardless whether this move is an act of pure political cynicism, preemptive compromise or some combination of the two, it hardly makes the Democrats look good.




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By all means, if it is all meaningless then lets go with what sounds best.
Cynicism DOES make the Dems look bad … however, they are “good”, right.
I mean it only looks bad.
In actuality its great, the Dems are greater but at the same time “lesser”?
This gets SO dreadfully confusing.
It must be a GOOD thing that we don’t have to deal with more or different choices in politics then, right?
Well, it looks good.
Because if there were only ONE choice that would look very bad.
You’re right, Jon, some things just roll off the tongue with such poetry and cadence as to bring tears to the eyes.
I just love this mature kabuki, don’t you?
It comes “across” in fashion so suave, sophisticated, and even debonair … that none can deny that it is real class stuff.
If the substance sucks, then at least the appearance is all swanky smooth and great sounding.
Jon, if you continue in this vein, then the Dems are going to become very displeased with you … and, doubtless, shall blog you to task.
;~DW
Impeachment is off the table. Enrichment of the 1% is on the table.
I’d say, “Fuck Pelosi”, but who would want to?
Pelosi has always been a total sell-out two face. It was under her great “leadership” that the Bush administration got virtually everything it ever wanted from the House of Representatives often with Democratic support.
She’s at best a limousine liberal. And that’s a stretch. In reality, she just another capitalist at the trough.
And the Progressive Talkers of the airwaves will chant like a Greek chorus, “Tax Break For The Middle Class Doo Wah Diddy Diddy Cha Cha Cha..”
Pelosi: “Impeachment is off the table” and “If only you knew the half of it*”.
(*it = the really insane shit that Cheney pulled which Pelosi knew about but kept secret).
It has been obvious to anyone paying attention that the D Party loves the Bush Tax Cuts.
It is also obvious that the D Party loves “entitlement reform”, privatization of schools, mail delivery, prisons, roads, NASA, …
The D Party also loves Churchy, male Chauvinism, Wars, The MIC and Old Fucking Glory.
Now I am confused, storyofo, I was under the depression that this “deal” was done UNDER that fabled table.
When “they” re-arrange the deck chairs to “they” re-table, as well?
As may be. Clearly, there is NO ROOM at the table for ninety-nine percent of us.
And those who are supposed to have our interests at heart, “representation”-wise, all are concerned with gettin’ their elbows on the table and THEIR cups in the punchbowl … “networking” the “spread”, don’t you know.
Maybe we should insist upon seeing this table, at least once in a while?
BTW are we “clients” or “customers” now that “they” are no longer “public” servants?
Like I say, a class act, fer sure.
DW
Sad – the idea is obviously to get one more GOP vote against a tax hike on millionaires -
as if the D’s would know how to use that in an effective ad.
Meanwhile the return of the Clinton rates – which CBO effectively estimated as a modest 0.5% reduction to 2013 GDP growth — but with a 4 trillion deficit reduction – - is not being discussed.
Do the Democrats – does Pelosi – think the D base is stupid? – or is it that they can con the media – say MSNBC – into selling the Clinton rates returning as something that must be avoided – God forbid the D’s offer “Obama tax cuts” post the return of the Clinton rates.
When does Obama get a backbone – or do we do 8 years as GOP lite, pretending everything is forced on him. I wish he had Hillary’s backbone.
And this is suprising because…..?
Yes.
I disagree. I think Hillary would rule just like Obama, DLC, “centrist”, attacking the left while pandering to the right and wondering why the GOP isn’t returning the kindness.
It makes sense to extend the tax cuts for the middle and lower classes while the economy is still in recovery, but letting the tax cuts for those at the top expire won’t have any detrimental effect. The capital gains rate ought to go back to 20% also.
Pelosi has learned her negotiating skills from Obama.
correction
they are negotiating FOR their corporate supporters which means they are negotiating FOR themselves, against their constituents is what you meant to say jon
Nicely phrased, start to finish.
I too, faintly praise with great verve and gusto Mr. Walkers condemnation of Pelosi’s (and the DIMS) early capitulation to benefit only those who contribute significantly to DIM Re Erection Efforts.
Cuz that’s who this crap is targeted at, donors.
Make the wealthy wealthier whilst degrading the rest of our society, roads, schools, civil services/roads/schools and more . . .
N all the while, continue to destroy the middle class and erode and eliminate any and all means of their support and existence.
Mr. Walker, I greatly appreciate you taking this one on, hope you will follow it and expose the horrid jive bs Pelosi, Obama and DIMS bring to the table in this uniparty fascist corporate empire we live in.
Is this perhaps, Mr. Walker, yer socialist coming out writ?
*G*
Gimme more DFH Socialism n jobs hoss, and I’ll renew!!!
lol
Good point about Hillary. She actually was a registered Republican in her youth.
Not surprising at all anymore.
Can’t we the people find a better leaders to represent us and fight for us than these loser Democrats?
They’re not getting my support. Not one penny. Not one vote.
Of course, I doubt they care.
actually letting the obama’s redistribution of middle class assets to the wealthy scheme (marketed as tax cuts)expire would have a positive affect, it would get more people working and relieve financial tension
there is no down side to letting that scheme expire as far as the economic health of this country is concerned
Yeah, we all pretty much have knowed this for a decade or so.
Bless her lil heart, tho.
;-)
That’s because the Democrats get their money from the same big donors as do the Republicans.
Nope. Hillary would have actually gotten something in exchange for what she would have given up. We definitely would have gotten a better deal on hcr had Hillary been president.
Still must disagree respectfully. Her Senate voting record (what little there is of it) was pretty conservative. She co-sponsored a bill to ban flag burning (with Robert Bennett from Utah), voted for the Iraq war, voted for the bankruptcy bill, etc., etc..
The thing is we’ll probably never know what kind of president Hillary will be. I don’t think she’s running in 2016.
Democrats believe in Austrian economics ? Not Keynes ? Certainly not MMT ?
How did that deficit reduction thing work out for Herbert Hoover ?
And many of our fellow citizens wonder why the GOP and War Street still controls the agenda in DC. (sigh)
Yer kiddin me, right?
Her backbone is as worn out from the mattress of her 1% overlords as every other erected and elected and annointed politician.
This is DIM Centrism at it’s utter and absolute worst 1% best.
You WERE kidding, right?
Absolutely, it’s been proven time and time again who she serves and it’s not we the people.
This is simple proggy stuff, and anyone who don’t see it is just not proggy . . .
Thanks for sayin it, Janeane . . . for a progressive site, there are way too many DIM apologists supporting the powers that be and the 1% that comment here.
It’s appalling.
Yeah well ok, yer spot on.
But hey, at least Mr. Walker opened up his social side a tad, no?
*G*
I call bullshit on that.
Bachus woulda had the Wellpoint VP write it, and HRC would have endorsed it all to hayall.
No single payer, no public option would have emerged under HRC.
She plays for the 1% Knox, you know that and should be ashamed at mouthing such banal platitudes about her.
I can’t wait to not vote for Pelosi.
I’m not saying that Hillary would have been perfect, but she would have been a lot better than what we got with Obama.
As Janeane pointed out @ 20, she’s probably not running in 2016 and we’ll never know.
Are Pelosi’s constituents telling her anything, do they have any idea what she’s up to?
All I got is damn wingers to talk to.
Pelosi’s rich. She could care less. What a douche bag.
This witch Pelosi moves with the waves,sleazy rascal,unstable snake personality,one sort of puppet,with all due respect, Pelosi is a disgusting rat. She sold everything to common people in Healthcare negotiations,from all to nothing,what a shame with these Dems.
Eh? Y’all beat me to it. Pelosi’s a 1%er; very rich; very entitled.
Pelosi could give a rat’s patoot about the
serfspeonsdrek99%. WE don’t PAY Pelosi enough to pay attention to us lowly “citizens.” Only the 1% does.Anyone surprised by this? Really?
Yeah. Hillary will be 69 in 2016, not an “over the hill” age by any means, but the wear and tear of DC really beats you down. I doubt she’s running.
Can you even imagine the amount of money this botox bitch has stolen from the American tax players? Her voters are the ones to really blame.
No, I don’t see Hillary runnining for president in 2016. She’s yesterday’s fish wrap.
But then, what would it matter? She would accomplish…what…?
Agree on Hillary. Not only did Obama do rehab on the republicans, but he also did it for Hillary, after she ran a campaign against him that mostly consisted of sucking up to the american right, and trying to avoid eating her vote to enable the clusterfuck in Iraq, until she saw it ruining her chance at the nomination.
When she lost, she was $30 million in debt; no committee chairmanship, and even NOW had turned their backs on her. He really owed her nothing, but picking her for State was a sop to her rabid supporters. At that time Obama hadn’t sold us out (should Hillary get credit for doing it, up-front?) and when her “PUMAS” were all frothing at the mouth, I was sure enough that he could beat McCain going away, that I was perfectly willing to tell them to go shit in their hats, and let Obama and the democrats take our chances with the rest of the electorate.
I don’t know if she’ll run in 4 years or not. I hope not, since the republicans AND the independents would get out of their death beds to vote against her. And, after the campaign she ran leading up to 2008, a substantial number of democrats wouldn’t give her the time of day.
I still think that the political landscape 5-6 months from now is going to look a lot different than it does now, and not to Obama’s advantage. There could be some shocking events, such as all of the saber-rattling at Iran coming to a head and going critical, on the momentum for that that’s already been generated, and/or the economy taking a turn for the worse that no amount of spin can fluff up. If something like that happens, all bets are off. We could have a real democratic convention instead of the rubber stamp that everyone’s taking for granted.
Is this bitch up for reelection this time around. Her constituents might as well vote for the Republican. No doubt the ass wipes in CA think’s she’s just great.
Things could be all shook-up, uh-huh, but don’t expect democracy.
When Pelosi killed the move by some House democrats to force a vote on stripping the Healthcare robber barons of their exemption from the anti-trust laws, she showed her true colors and ran up the corporate pirate flag, my 2c.
And, she sure as hell didn’t do it on her own hook. That had to be part of the deal that Obama cut with those shitbirds.
Clinton the Lesser was the number two highest recipient of health insurance and pharma lobbying dollars during her brief, pointless time as a senator, and had she been president we would have gotten HMOs Part Ii. Beyond that she would have been another Thatcher.
No, I don’t expect democracy, but I freely admit that I’d like to see Obama pay a political price for the sellout, as in:
you can’t run as a progressive, win big, and then get re-elected after 4 years of country-club republican policies.
“beyond that, she would have been another Thatcher.”
I think you nailed it.
you are my hero…..
When push comes to shove Pelosi inevitably sides with wealthy interests and the national security state.
I already did. It felt oh, so right – but not half as right as writing in Dr. Jill Stein for the presidential candidate!
Even if I were in a blue state, it would be very difficult for me to vote for Obama. I’m finding it easier as time goes on to say it really does not matter whether Obama or Romney is in the WH in January.
Maybe something can happen if there is an overwhelming ( minimum hundreds of thousands ) demonstration/protests at the Dem. convention this fall. I’d find a way to get there.
Political life in the US is a shambles, a farce and I do not see it getting better anytime soon.
Yes, ‘Basil; everything’s geared to protecting the corporate status quo. And, because of a few places like The Lake, where some of the threaders are right on top of the bullshit that’s being peddled to that end, more people are talking about it and NOT giving Obama a free ride because he’s “not as bad as the republicans”…and even that can be argued, about some important things.
How long will this last? I have no idea. Revolution starts with some insignificant spark from some random place.
At some point, a critical mass will accumulate and people will mobilize. Peacefully we hope, but looking at history, I don’t think so.
If the signs and wonders of this past American decade or three have any lesson to teach, it is not to treat mere front office customer service martinets and functionaries like Pelosi, or Obama or Bush, with contempt.
Better and fairer by far, to blame their idiot victims
who keep voting for another helping, year after year.
Money does not control our government.
No shadowy 1% oligarchy conspires.
Stupid rules the United States of America,
wearing a big goofy grin
-yes sir may I have another?-
all the way down on its fall to the bottom.
“Is this bitch up for reelection this time around.”
You see, she was the Speaker of the House, which means she was in the House of Representatives. They serve for a two year term, so, yes, she is up for re-election this time around.
It’s a pretty safe thing to say about any representative in the House, that they are up for re-election this time around. It’s just the way they roll.
She will never get my vote for a lot of different reasons, chiefest among which is that I live in Texas.
> She’s at best a limousine liberal. And that’s a stretch.
Can’t… resist… asking… “You mean a stretch limo?”
I’m sure that Pelosi, Obama, and Reid will make a deal with the Republicans and agree to extend the Bush Tax cuts in exchange for cutting Social Security and Medicare benefits.
Let me know when you all give up on the Democratic Party and then we can all talk about how we’re going to shut down the economy with a strike or some form of nonviolent resistance. It is clear that there is no recourse left to us in the ballot box. The only action that will force needed change and reform is shutting down the entire economy. However, it seems that the majority of Americans are not ready for this yet even though they are royally getting screwed by this economy. There really is no other choice. Pretending that there is another choice will only prolong the misery enough such that the crazy fascists (who will be worse than the current group of crazy fascists – Ryan, Walker, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, the Koch Brothers, etc.) may one day be given power.
Ah the irony. Months and years ago when you’d criticize Pelosi, everyone would converge on you telling you what a saint she was although she let Bush get away with war crimes. Now, our savior HRC is going to make things all better in 2016. That’s just what we need another dynasty. I’m certain there are no other families out there or qualified individuals.
Sorry, I’ve had enough of dynasties and frankly, she isn’t very liberal at all. I’ll be sure to not vote for her in 2016, so write me down now as voting against my best interests.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people around here who were dupped by Obama in 2008 can transfer what should be anger at themselves for having supported him to hatred of Hillary. It’s as if they’re trying to convince themselves that supporting Obama in 2008 – despite the lack of any evidence that he would have been able to become anything other than a creature of the same system that loved Bush’s tax cuts (extended by Obama) and Cheney’s warmongering (continued in the form of unmanned drone strikes by Obama) – was the right choice.
Tanbark’s rant @ 36 above (which oddly ends with a delusional hope that Obama might be replaced as the party’s nominee or at least will have to fight to be the party’s nominee at the Democratic Party convention in a few months) is a good example of what I’m talking about.
The problem with Obama is that he’s become little better than Bush (the rhetoric is better) and wasn’t able to get anything for the people in exchange for all his pandering to the right.