Every time Washington goes through a new bout of deficit hysteria, it’s important to remember that most of the politicians warning about the dangers of the annual deficits or the national debt don’t really care about them. From the The Hill:
House Republicans say they have no plans to pay for the extension of the Bush-era tax rates, a move that could erase the deficit reduction they have achieved since winning their majority in the chamber in 2010.
The income and investment tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 are set to expire at the end of the year and are at the center of a thicket of fiscal decisions that Congress must make in the next several months.
While President Obama and congressional Democrats want to extend only the Bush rates for middle-income earners, Republicans have long argued that the entire slate of tax rates should be kept in place until Congress can agree to a complete overhaul of the tax code.
Allowing all the tax rates to return to the levels in effect under the Clinton administration (or finding pay-fors for them) would reduce the deficit by roughly $4 trillion over the next decade. The first option simply requires Congress to do nothing, but it would dramatically reduce the federal deficit and cumulative debt.
If Republicans really thought the deficit was some huge pending moral and fiscal disaster, they could easily fix it by simply letting the tax cuts expire as scheduled. The main reason some projections of the long term deficit are so high is because the projections assume the same politicians who claim to be so worried about the deficit are actively planning to increase it by passing an unpaid-for extension of the current tax cuts.
The deficit fear-mongering has nothing to do with the deficit. It is only an excuse to justify cutting programs that help regular people.




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Reminder: Democrats don’t care about the 99%.
And they didn’t try when they had the chance because?
Why no mention of Obama’s fear-mongering about the deficit? Or Simpson and Bowles, Obama’s proxies “to justify cutting programs that help regular people”.
You are leaving out one-half of the dog and pony show.
Jon, Please don’t reinforce the meme that there is a deficit problem! That is a myth and it doesn’t help for you and the Dems to agree to that notion, even by implication. just stop it! See here.
I’ll be blunt here: these are the types of FDL front page stories that infuriate me. I think Jon Walker is great but, to me at least, he squanders vast amounts of credibility implying that the Democrats are any different or any better than the Republicans on the deficit or the budget or taxes. We have witnessed 3 years of ObamaCrat rule: we know they are as corporatist as the GOP. We know the ObamaCrats have no more intention of raising taxes on anyone than the GOP does. If it were otherwise, it would have happened long ago. If it were otherwise, Obama would declare unequivocally that he will not sign any extension of the cuts for the Rich no matter what the GOP does. If it were otherwise, Obama would state that the Grand Bargain was a mistake and that the social safety net is off the table. But Obama won’t do anything like that. So please stop with the Obama-Democratic propaganda, especially when your readers know better.
Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto……………….
well said!
wb…I think you’re bein’ a little tough on Jon.
I don’t.
The Paul Ryan Budget IS NOT A BUDGET.
When you have trillions of new income from unspecified loophole closing, trillions of spending savings from unspecified budget cuts, and the only thing for certain is that over 60% of the budget cuts come from the 20% of the budget that helps the non-rich and corporate, you do not have a budget.
When the heck will a talking head admit the above – Ryan is not a brain – heck he pushed for more deficits under Bush so as to get his priorities – he is a con-job, like Simpson and Obama.
Neither do I.
Most of the world’s wealth is here in the U.S. We do not have a resource problem we have a distribution problem.
By the by..any response to the suggestion that progressives be highlighted in an article?
I don’t intend to be hard on Jon Walker per se. Sorry if it came across like that. I think JW is awesome but this infects much of the front page FDL coverage: I call it the fallacy of false unequivalency.
spot on comment – I suspect and hope that most agree.
Again I agree!
:-)
You and me agree mostly. I think Jon does a very good job of straddling that fine line between journalism and editorialism. Almost always. Yet, he still sticks it to the dastardly, despicabel, black-hearted bastards (TM) that are today’s republican party.
I agree “mostly”. :-)
Here is the matter starkly: Barack Obama has put the American social safety net on the chopping block and it didn’t happen only because the GOP wanted even more, which it will almost certainly get in an Obama second term. Due to partisan loyalty, President Obama stands a far better chance of cutting the social safety net than President Romney would. Think of it: once these benefits are taken away, once these programs are cut, they will not be restored in our lifetimes and the American People will suffer greatly. Therefore, If we are considering clear and present danger to the well-being of the American Middle Class, President Obama is far more dangerous than President Romney could hope to be.
Where’d everybody go?????
You guys aren’t sneaking up on me are you ?????
Jon……Jon……JON????????
I am searching the net for a progressive website with positive info about ideas and candidates running for office. Progressives need a mainstream candidate to back, a platform of specifics that we can articulate. I know I can’t do it but I also know FDL does not seem interested. Go on a search for articles about Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, etc. Minnesota, Oregon, Vermont and a few other States have the semblance of a movement. OWS has some wonderful 15 point goals or demands that seem to mirror many progressive ideas. Bottom line the status quo is failing the masses. I like the dissatisfaction coming from so many FDL regulars; it shows where improvements could be made to help our Country turn it around and set off in a new enlightenment.
I’m here. Everyone else is sneaking up on you.
To be clear……I agree 100%. I don’t know if you “caught” my news a week or so ago, I resigned my position as democratic precinct chair and am starting a new third party the anti-republicrats.
What, the truth irritates you?
Green Party Watch is pretty good.
http://www.greenpartywatch.org/
I figured YOU’D be the diversion.
Gosh, did I wander into a FOX News thread? Those guys are always complaining that the media picks on Republicans, too.
Just the opposite. Falsehoods irritate me. Phony distinctions irritate me. Team Obama irritates me.
Your singling out the middle class is the only quibble I have with what you said.
Especially since the poor and disadvantaged are already being used as prototypes for what they plan to do to the middle class.
It is pretty good, thank you. Sadly when I searched it never came up…thank you Google./s
Agreed, it was Otto von Bismark who started the idea of a safety net, that clearly puts Obomber and the Dimocraps to the right of old “Blood and Steel”. Put another way, Obomber and the Dims are taking for granted everyone to the left of Otto, and looking for the “centrists” between themselves and Ryan/DeMint.
Fair enough. The Poor have no friends anywhere in this country anymore. But messing with the Middle Class has always been considered Third Rail material. Not anymore, not after a Democratic President put the social safety net, the core of the American welfare state, the signature achievement of the Democratic Party on the chopping block. Now al bets are off. I said this before: Barack Obama is destroying the Democratic Party and the Democrats who support him are committing partisan suicide.
Gosh, you sure did. Guffaw.
I absolutely agree. Engaging in this deficit propaganda reinforces the mythical frame.
I’m just waiting for foundingfather to wander in here and join in the attacks on Jon: “How dare you attack Republicans!”
Actually, Jon is pointing out the hypocrisy of Republican “deficit hawks”, especially those who refuse to even consider cuts to the Pentagon’s budget. One reason Ron Paul will never be more than a backbencher or a potential kingmaker (but not a king) in today’s GOP is because he’s not afraid to go after the military.
And I agree with your analysis.
I guess I homed in too much on your use of the phrase “middle class” on my first reading.
I suppose I should add that I like many here really like Jon’s writings. Nothing personal Jon. I’m just irritated when I think most of us here know better but we still play into the dog and pony show.
No, yours is a good point and the fact that the Poor barely even register anymore is a very bad omen.
No one is attacking Jon for attacking Republicans.
Tweak your reality engine and read the comments again.
The New Middle Class has already been defined… A college graduate with @$130K worth of debt from student loans and hoping to get a position in lower middle management where he will never earn enough to pay off his debt or own a house and will have limited travel opportunities (think couch surfing or places with pit toilets).
But you will always have the Mega Lotto.
Agreed. I think the FDL front pagers face a dilemma. They know better than we do (I suspect) what Obama is all about. Jon Walker, for instance, has worked tirelessly on marijuana legalization so he knows better than most the level of betrayal from Obama. But so long as FDL remains officially “neutral,” i.e. anti-GOP/pro-Democrat, the Front Pagers must persist in these false unequivalencies.
Don’t have to ignore Progressives though.
I have the distinct impression that the plutocrats have no plan other than hoping that magically everything works out while, in the meantime, they make off with everything that isn’t nailed down. As we see across Europe, the clowns in charge are clueless. That goes double for the U.S.
The conservatives want to drown the government in Grover Norquist’s bathtub, and they are quite open about their strategy:
* Cut taxes and max out the nation’s credit card, when they’re in office.
* Scream about the debt and cut benefits, when they’re not.
And, so far, our Reagan-worshiping current president is going along with that agenda.
I know the end game for the PTB is to have everything but like Steven Wright said “You can’t have everything; and if you did, where would you put it?”
Where does is say that that is so?
Leaving for greenpartywatch.org
Good question. I have read various comments to the effect that FDL does not endorse candidates but I have never seen or heard of any official policy. I don’t even know how such things work here at FDL. So, again, good question: What is the policy of FDL on endorsements? I, for one, would be thrilled if FDL (writ large) declared support for the Greens and Jill Stein. It would certainly liberate FDL columnists from having to defend the indefensible ObamaCrats.
Indeed. You’d have to build an elevator for your cars.
Gotta say, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Personally, I’d rather FDL not endorse any particular candidate.
However, it would be great to see equal time given to the subject of third party options in general.
They’re not hoping, they’re building gated communities.
That works for me. But this blackout on third party coverage is disconcerting.
Yup, moats, private armies, some of them must know what’s coming.
Amen.
I also wish the folks who try very hard to demonize legitimate criticism of the Democrats would give it rest.
I also wish the folks who try very hard to demonize legitimate criticism of the Democrats would give it rest.
And you’re only calling out republicans on this? Really?
Completely agree with wbgonne @ 4. What’s happened to FDL over this election year is truly tragic.
So I guess I’m also with bafflebrains @ 19.
No, and I think he makes this clear, he’s just pointing out that partisan propaganda is a fetid load of shit, from either side.
Their is indeed a deficit problem. But its not one involving money or the lack of it. It’s one that our leaderships and representatives have in regards to caring for anyone but themselves and their clients. Beyond these Orgs. ( mostly Int’l Corps. and wealthy individuals they couldn’t care less about the rest of us …the 99%.) That is what the real deficit is about, a deficit of caring, compassion and most of all RESPECT.
The point of all these comments, if I may, is that both major parties are controlled by the 1% and if FDL wants to be fair and balanced in reporting and articles it should not be the D’s vs. the R’s (those are messages controlled by the same interests) It should be D’s & R’s vs. Progressives and Independents.
Well said.
Reminder: Obama supports the 1%.
He is not on your side. He’s a fraud.
De-elect the President.
Vote progressive third party: A.B. O. – Anyone BUT Obama!
Screw both parties. Join the anti-republicrats. Vote Green!!!
Most of the down ticket progressive candidates should get your vote as well. There are good people running for office I have found. D’s and R’s usually screen them out. As John Adams said ” If good men won’t come to the service of their Country, others will”
Everyone clamoring for FDL to cover Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson should donate some money to Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson. Donate phone calls, campaign for them.
Jon covers the Elections and News Desk (News while DDay is away, at least). Until Jill and Rocky start actually making news instead of desperately trying to tread water in our grossly unfair election system, FDL need not cover them.
I want a progressive president, too. Neither Jill Stein nor Rocky Anderson have a hope of winning. They are irrelevant to the conversation in the 2012 election. If that changes, I’m sure the content of the front page will change.
Now can we quit harping on the authors, for fuck’s sake? This is not a campaign website, it’s a news blog. They’re not here to get anyone elected, and they’re not endorsing anyone for president. They’re just effing reporting.
That is your opinion and has no more credence than the opinions expressed by others, except for, perhaps, in your own mind.
People expressed their opinions and gave their reasons. If that upsets you, maybe you should read something where they don’t allow comments.
Consider following your own advice concerning “harping”.
True or false ? Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson are running for president. NO coverage is not reporting. I think the criticism in above comment is evidence that your comment is misplaced. SEE COMMENT @59. Money and major media coverage do not define the issues we are allowed to talk about. Jill Stein has good principals and cogent ideas that reflect much of the majority view of this country.
You openly insulted an author on this blog. You call that opinion and reasoning?
And where did I do that?
Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson are irrelevant to the discussion of the outcome of the 2012 election cycle. They cannot win. Let’s talk about the elimination of private campaign funding. Let’s talk about caps on spending in elections. Maybe then we can put them on equal footing and they’ll have a chance.
None of this conversation, including their principals and their cogent ideas, have any place on this thread in the context of Republican deficit hawks. Yet you and others have come into Jon’s thread where Jon has just simply done his job (and well, I might add) to harp on him, yet again, for not dropping Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein into the conversation.
If this post ended with something like “Jill Stein understands that a balanced budget should not be the foremost concern of our nation during a time of recession. Jill Stein also understands that ending our multiple undeclared, unending wars and eliminating the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the wealthy would eliminate most of the deficit outright. A vote for Jill Stein is the best way to go”, would that make you happy? It seems like that’s what you and others are angling for.
Understand that this would be tantamount to a campaign ad, if that were the case, and FDL is not campaigning for anybody. They’re simply reporting the news. I would challenge you and others, as I did in my above comment, to make Jill and Rocky newsworthy.
@8. Your thinly veiled contempt. Albeit meaningless contempt, I’m in the mood to pick an internet fight today.
Quit harassing the staffers for not writing about what you want them to write about.
We were having a relevant discussion til you showed up. You would be a good Candidate in the Green Party from your comments. I am at a loss as to what you think we should do if we disagree with reporters at FDL. Are you saying don’t disagree, don’t criticize and just be quiet. Many comments besides mine have requested more coverage of Progressive ideas; alternatives to the D and R ideas which many times don’t reflect the majority opinion according to polls that have been published. In a Democracy a majority should have some significant input into policy wouldn’t you say.
“thinly veiled contempt”? You are dreaming.
You curse at people and berate them with open contempt and your purported excuse is that one of my comments consisted of “thinly veiled contempt”?
So much for lectures about people “harassing” others.
You pick a fight and now you are in no mood to pick a fight. Make up your mind.
I’ll say whatever I please, and if FDL or Jon has a problem with it, I’m sure they’ll tell me about it.
There is a difference between disagreeing with the author and complaining because the author doesn’t write about what you would prefer.
FDL offers MyFDL for people to write about whatever they choose. You know this, I’ve read diaries by you over there.
I’m not saying be quiet, but I am saying don’t criticize. Jon didn’t do anything to deserve criticism. Jon wrote about what he wanted to write about, or what he was asked to write about.
It’s just plain rude for people to come into Jon’s posts, or David’s, or anyone’s posts for that matter, and pick at them for the subject of their writing. Just bad form, from a lot of folks here lately, and I’m personally pretty fed up with it.
Combine this with TBogg bullying high schoolers and I think it may be time for a break from FDL.
Peace out, and good luck with that whole Jill Stein thing.
I’m sure they will tell you as well; I’m also sure we won’t be seeing coverage of Anderson or Stein anytime soon.:)
Stay classy, Alternate ID. I hope you find some joy in criticizing the few bloggers on the internet who still speak truth. I’m sure it warms Jane’s heart to see you and others insulting her writers because you disagree with their choice in subject matter.
Sometimes taking a break is good for us all.
You are projecting. Classy is one thing you are not. And I have no joy at dealing with a bully whose only line of defense seems to be accusing others of bullying.
You have a problem differentiating opinion from baseless insults. You might want to mull that over a little bit.
I doubt if Jane gives much thought to anything I say, but good try at using her for cover.
Now, please show me where I insulted one of the writers.
I agree. As a Prog. Indie your right. I can’t stomach either party anymore, but they’ve pretty much rigged the game so they’re our only choices. So do we start our own game? The South tried that and it didn’t work out to well for them , did it?
“We know the ObamaCrats have no more intention of raising taxes on anyone than the GOP does” They don’t? Bet u in the end that’s just what they do to the 90% , not their rich pals. Now whose reinforcing a bogus meme?
It’s not up to the Republicans. It would take a new bill passed by both houses of Congress to change the upcoming Clinton rates.
Wrong! The upcoming Clinton tax rates would not need to be changed. They provided a tax surplus. The only other things we’d need to do is quit the nonsensical wars and stop bailing out the people who got us into this financial mess.
Jane Hamsher is reviled at Democratic sites for making common cause with various Republicans for various specific efforts, e.g., with Grover Norquist to get rid of Rahm Emanuel, who you might notice is now gone.
Jane is, by no means, a Democratic partisan. She has been among the first to bust Barack Obama on his various bits of perfidy, e.g., selling out the Public Option to AHIP and the insurance cartel.
Sorry, you’re baffling me. I’m not sure what you’re asking.