A majority of the American people want us to leave Afghanistan right away. From the Washington Post:
A majority of Americans — 55 percent — believe that most Afghans are opposed to what the United States is trying to accomplish in that country, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. About as many Americans — 54 percent — want the U.S. military to withdraw even before it can train the Afghan army to be self-sufficient, a pillar of President Obama’s war strategy.
While most Democrats and independents soured on the war a long time ago, the poll found that Republicans, for the first time, are evenly split on whether the decade-long war is worth fighting.
In addition the poll found that after weighing the war’s costs and benefits, only 35 percent of the country think the war was worth fighting, while 60 percent think it was not worth it.
After a decade it is long past time for the US to end this foolish occupation. Our “mission” in Afghanistan has shifted and changed so many times it is impossible to even get a straight answer from government officials as to why we are still there.
Trying to build a true nation state there would at best take decades of additional massive spending, even if the Afghan people were highly supportive of our presence. After a string of recent disasters destroyed whatever good will might have remained, it is impossible to see how we “win” a war that no longer has even a defined mission.
The most depressing part is that it seems the Obama administration knows it is an unwinnable mess, but it keeps going solely to save face politically. How many more lives and billions will be needlessly sacrificed on the alter of a political career?
It is time to bring our troops home now.




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Shorter Dick Cheney: SO?
Longer Dick Cheney: Fuck you!
The 1% doesn’t give a shit what the 99% “think.” It’s all about the money, honey. IF someone’s making money off of occupying/fighting in/whatever in Afghanistan, then all the “collateral damage” of Afghani citizens being killed by PTSD USA military personnel is too damn bad. Show me the money! That’s all that counts.
From your wallets to the wallets of the 1%! War is GOOD. /s
A Global Force for good. /s
You really don’t build nation states with a foreign military. It has never happened in history. Ever.
It’s a conceit of the folks that did not learn from Vietnam that we just had to try harder.
Opium.
slimy pink slime Dick is even making$$$$ in Iran…shhhh dont tell
hey dude!
In a word: YES.
Also what was going on with Viet Nam.
Never about nation building… whatever the fack that means.
As I said: show me the money, honey. That’s all. Over ‘n out.
Obviously an indefinite occupation of Afghanistan is not feasible.
yep
why? plenty of opium poppies to go around.
While Afghanistan is a money pit. The big money is in Iraq. There’s a gigantic “embassy” there built for permanent occupation.
Recall that Obama got elected in part based on his desire to pursue more war in Afghanistan. Obama and his cousin Dick Cheney are not going to give up on any aspect of MIC Cutting.
And Obama is afraid that Dick will say mean things about him. Like Cut and Run Scaredy-Cat Pissy pants.
America does not “cut and run”. It is time to double down. More troops. More troops! More contracts.
While we feel just awful about the collateral damage caused by a few bad apples, there has not been enough death and destruction. And there are still terrists remaining that must be captured and killed!
There is no greater Military force in the world than America’s brave and patriotic terrist hunting apple-pie loving Freedom Fighters.
These are the kinds of words our leaders prefer.
I’ve looked very carefully at that photograph, and I seriously doubt that it was taken in Afghanistan. Those cows really look like U.S. beef cows, and I don’t think there are a lot of hereford crosses in SW Asia. With goats in the picture, I’d buy it.
All quite true.
Still and all, the CIA, amongst others, really really enjoys their relationship with the Opium War Lords of Afghanistan. It’s a love affair, really. Don’t underestimate that.
“Still and all, the CIA, amongst others, really really enjoys their relationship with the Opium War Lords of Afghanistan. It’s a love affair, really. Don’t underestimate that.”
It is a love affair that goes at least as far back when they were training OBL to fight the Soviets for hegemony over the area.
Well, they got the “taste” for it whilst doing whateverthefack in the Golden Triangle during Viet Nam. But yeah: mosdef during the Soviet “conflict”… thar’s gold in them thar poppies, Poppy Boosch!
heh… it is an odd picture, but that said, the “locals” do heard cattle up in the hills in that part of the world. In springtime, it gets pretty green, too. So, it’s remotely possible that the photo is “real,” but like you, it does seem a stretch… also a tad amusing in a macabre way.
Large swaths of the U.S. public probably want a ticker tape parade for the “Butcher of Afghanistan.” Isn’t it curious that NPR’s coverage refuses to admit that a majority of the victims were women and children. Liberal media indeed.
Frankly, I’d be surprised if any of the media paid much attention, and if so, I’d be more surprised if they mentioned women & kids. That said, it’s highly doubtful that most USA citizens give a rat’s patoot about “the other” being killed somewhere far away, esp if they’re told (as they have been) that “those people” are to “git us” bc of our freedumbs ‘n such.
Very sad. That’s the way it is…
This most recent homicide by american soldier, …………he killed many more americans than he did afghans…
if foreign soldiers came in your house and shot your mother, father, daughter in the head, set them on fire….what would you do about it?…
when they plot revenge, we will just call them terrorists….fuck man ….this endless war shit has plaqued us since i was born, just after the three hundred million deaths of ww2….i am fucking sick of us….imagine how the rest of the world feels
The “hate us for our freedom.” The freedom to murder their women and children. Wondering if this “berserker” was nothing more than a recruiter for the Taliban or just another victim of Rush Limbaugh.
Our troops should have never LEFT home, for Iraq or Afghanistan.
Yep, fully concurred, bring ‘em home, now.
Cut our losses, financially and militarily.
If we want access to oil, gas and rare earths, let us BUILD up countries and not destroy them.
The Chinese and Russians and Germans, and Turks, and others have us beat in that regard, the sooner we get back into the BUILD game instead of the destroy game, the better for all the planet.
Ditto. It’s a great racket if you’re part of the monied class. And don’t forget the fear mongering and propaganda from the corporate media.
Barack Obama will sacrifice American lives if it helps his reelection prospects, and burnishes his legacy.
Life lost? Not so important.
But I sense this has reached a tipping point. The American people want out. Now. Can Obama understand this? He seems to resist the democratic will of the people, but will he succeed?
Obama wants to be president again…he wants four more years of agonizing failure for us all.
Bring the troops home. They’re needed to suppress a restive American public.
The Emperor has a plan and it serves the interests of the 1%ers.
Nah, the newly militarized police can handle the public. The drawdown of military troops just mean a redeployment elsewhere.
The militarized police can handle the public. The drawdown of military troops just mean a redeployment elsewhere.
Another very excellent post, Jon.
Again, you cogently explain something very real, the war in Afghanistan, and inform us, clearly and dispassionately, about the pathetic political pandering which prolongs this senseless, wasteful, very counterproductive mayhem, this so-called “good” war … such truth and the attendant consequences are real news … while the thoughtful analysis which you provide us is critically important to broader and deeper understanding and perspective. It is, truly, appreciated.
I thank you very much, and encourage you to do more posts like this one and the one which was posted earlier today.
DW
Remember when this was the “good war” (90% of America 2001, Kerry in 2004, Clinton and Obama 2008)?
See also, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, “Kony 2012″ etc. etc. etc.
The one thing we seem incapable of trying is diplomacy, i.e. sitting down with foes and hammering out agreements. Carter and Reagan were the last to do it; their peace has been lasting (Israel Egypt – Soviets). No once since?
Has anybody asked Friedman if in another 6 months Afghanistan will be a success or did he give up bullshit predictions after Iraq?
I don’t see how keeping us neck deep in clusterfuck #1 is going to help Obama’s election prospects…unless we count warbots and “defense” contractors who love this shit, as the kingmakers, and I don’t really think they are. The elections aren’t totally crooked all the time…yet.
But, for sure Obama isn’t going to get us out in time to get any political benefit from it by the time November gets here. And anyway, I think he’s just more afraid of the corporate neo-fascists than he is of the voters.
In one respect, Afghanistan is exactly like Vietnam was. No matter how long we stay, when we do leave, the place is going to revert, in this case, to a collection of warlord-ruled fiefs and/or fundamentalist Muslim enclaves.
And Fitley; Thomas is just like the conservatives in this: facts and truth and being wrong, wrong, wrong, don’t interfere with his own self-esteem, nor with the vehicle, the NYT, that supported and spread his bloody-handed shilling for bushCo.
I have liberal friends who STILL think that Friedman is a fucking wizard, and my pointing out the reality of how wrong he way, and for how LONG he was wrong, just pisses them off. It’s like with the “Obama sucks less!” cheerleaders: they don’t want to hear facts.
They’re doing the whitewash, as we speak. The shooter (IF there was only one…) supposedly had “brain damage and marital problems”.
Which explains everything nicely. And anyway, it’s now all in the past and we need to look forward, not backwards.
1. Obviously it doesn’t matter what the American people want. Not at all.
2. The fact that our “mission” in Afghanistan has shifted and changed so many times ought to be a clue that there are objectives other than winning a war. Think bigger.
3. Afghanistan is not an objective in itself. The US has pretensions to all of Central Asia via its New Silk Road Strategy.
report: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stressed the network would allow Afghanistan to attract new sources of foreign private-sector investment and access markets abroad, while generating new resources, markets, and investment opportunities for the entire region.
Meanwhile there is the $20bn+ opium trade thru Manas. The Taliban killed the poppies in the south but NATO got ‘em going again. (Let’s blame NATO.) The CIA is there like it was in Laos, you betcha. . .more money . . .more profits!
Why can’t the picture accompany the post into epu-land? It’s part of the discussion that we stragglers miss out on.
Sure but how MUCH do they want it? If enough want it bad enough wouldn’t they vote for an antiwar candidate (Paul), or pressure Obama to leave, and threaten his reelection? It’s not personal enough for most. There’s no draft; it’s not affecting their lives directly. They’re just a bit annoyed by it when they think about it. We’ll be there for a long time.
Here’s a little something to ponder after Obama’s pledge to “stay the course.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXnJVkEX8O4