In an attempt to defend President Obama’s foreign policy decisions the Center for American Progress has released a terribly misguided one page chart comparing the Iraq war and the Libya war. The chart’s basic message is that Obama is better than Bush, because Obama is much more thrifty when he launches an illegal war based on lies.
The chart basically implies both wars did the same good, removing one dictator each, but the Libya war was done more quickly and for the low low price of $1.1 billion instead of $806 billion. The chart and accompanying blog by Ken Sofer is deeply wrong on so many levels. From Ken Sofer:
Indeed, the last year saw the end to two very different wars and two competing visions of American power. One war, in Iraq, finally came to end in December after a series of poor policy choices and overzealous neoconservative thinking cost the U.S. nearly a trillion dollars and 4,500 American lives over the course of eight and a half years.
The other war, in Libya, accomplished nearly the exact same objectives as the war in Iraq, but the selective application of American power and the diplomatic efforts to gain the support of both NATO and the U.N. Security Council allowed the U.S. to accomplish its goals for just over $1 billion and not one lost American life.
(emphasis mine) If we are now admitting that the Libya action was a war, as opposed to not even a hostile action, then it means it was an illegal war; so Obama broke the law. Obama violated the constitution by starting a war, without Congressional approval, against a country that posed no immediate threat to the United States. That is a real issue whether or not our “objectives” were achieved or achieved at a relatively low cost.
Of course to make the claim that the same “objective,” mainly regime change, was accomplished in both Iraq and Libya is to ignore that was not supposed to be our objective. In the lead up to both wars, regime change was not the stated objective of either George W. Bush or Barack Obama. We supposedly went to war with Iraq to get rid of Saddam’s Weapons of Mass Destruction, while Mr. Obama said our goal in Libya was simply to protect the civilian protesters in one section of the country. You can only make the case that Obama achieved the same “objective” at a lower cost if you implicitly admit Obama also lied to the country about why he started a war and accept that regime change was always his real goal. This does not make Obama look better then Bush.
Finally, claiming Obama got the support of the UN Security Council is a massive distortion of the truth. The UN approved a resolution calling for a no fly zone to protect civilians. It did not authorize regime change nor authorize the United States’ military to fight for one side in a civil war. By the same token, Bush could point to many different UN resolutions against Iraq, including ones calling for a no fly zone, to claim international justification.
Is this sadly the best defense of Obama foreign policy that can be offered by a “progressive” organization? To be sure, Obama is like Bush in most of the horrible ways that count when it comes to launching unnecessary wars based on lies, but at least his wars are way cheaper.
Obama is Bush with efficiency.



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Such are the times within which we live, when a Nobel Peace Prize winner can justify an illegal war because he fought it more cheaply.
Obama is Bush with efficiency.
No doubt..! And, in half the time, Oily Bomber has charted a far more dangerous course, in which, we’ve not yet realized the results…! *gah*
Any assessment of the Libyan War is premature. It hasn’t ended, it’s just getting started:
Pro Qaddafi forces take Bani Walid and demonstrators trash the NTC offices in Benghazi.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501713_162-57364645/gadhafi-loyalists-seize-libyan-city/
You fail to take into account that Obama was trying to sell fighter jets to Brazil in real time while he was in Brazil hawking for the MIC and relaying MIC commands to NATO during its Libyan Enterprise. Okay, so a fighter jet like he was hawking crashed and burned during the Libyan Enterprise. But still.
Wasn’t it Cheney / Rumsfeld / Wolfowitz — maybe ten years ago — who called for a revamped military? They wanted a military that didn’t include soldiers? Now we all know what a drone is, but I certainly a decade ago.
Anyway, Obama is much more efficient. But it was Rumsfeld’s plan that Obama is implementing.
Would be nice though if we could find a POTUS who wasn’t so quick to jump into another war.
But at least the Iraq War has ended, right? Oh, wait.
http://www.iraqinews.com/security/wave-of-explosions-in-baghdad/
It’s almost as though invading countries and bombing them to pieces doesn’t bring their people peace. Well, nobody could have predicted. :-(
So Change You Can Believe In meant regime change for cheap
The lies and the illegality go together, as with former undeclared wars. That’s why the founding Fathers in their wisdom provided for the Congress to deliberate and declare war, and provided for the President to execute the war.
Justice Brandeis wrote, “The doctrine of the separation of powers was adopted by the Convention in 1787 not to promote efficiency but to preclude the exercise of arbitrary power. The purpose was, not to avoid friction, but by means of the inevitable friction incident to the distribution of the governmental powers among three departments, to save the people from autocracy.”
At least Maliki refused to enter into a new Sofa agreement, or we’d probably be planning a new surge.
And yes, I know, we still have a presence there, but not of the same magnitude.
WAYY more efficient. When you’ve got the people you’re screwing willingly ready to vote you back in for another four years after you’ve lied and fucked them over at EVERY turn, you’re at the top of the efficiency curve.
Excellent points, Jon, but to expand on the point that the war was based on lies: Obama justified his actions by claiming he was preventing a massacre in Benghazi, but the reality is that Gadhafi never carried out any such massacres when retaking other towns and villages from rebel control. The only people who were under threat were the rebels. The presumed, baseless “Benghazi massacre” was Obama’s “mushroom cloud” lie.
The presumed, baseless “Benghazi massacre” was Obama’s “mushroom cloud” lie.
Ironically, our Peace Nobelist Prez, might not be off the hook for the Libyan fiasco…! The UN is actively investigating US-NATO war crimes in Libya…!
Well, I guess the most that might ever mean is that he won’t be able to take any European vacations after he leaves office in a year.
It’s time for one of our patriotic Congressmen to get impeachment articles served on this president before he makes one more step in the direction of starting another attack on yet another country. His speech tonight was not reassuring at all, he looked quite manic when he got to the part of “all options are open” and Hillary Clinton looked wretched because she must know that the next bad move he makes will lead to thermonuclear World War Three and you can tell by her demeanour that she is sick to the stomach and that he, Obama, is drunk with power and his pride and bloodlust knows no boundaries. HE HAS TO BE CONSTITUTIONALLY REMOVED FROM OFFICE RIGHT AWAY so we can survive as a species.