Please tweet:

Call Syracuse Mayor Stephanie Miner & tell her to stop abusing her power to silence her critics & evict #OccupySyracuse http://fdl.me/ws7kLT

https://twitter.com/#!/janehamsher/status/159321134217691136

The Occupy Syracuse folks are at City Hall protesting now, so if people can put calls in it would good synergy between the two.

It is unhealthy for a Mayor to restrict free speech. Maybe she should reconsider eviction processes. She might be next.

Done!

She’s having a big $1000 a plate fundraiser ball on the 26th. Occupiers were discussing whether to protest at it. I guess she didn’t like that idea.

Yeah! Thanks PW.

Jane, fix your second link — it should be this:

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/occupy-syracuse

Thanks so much PW, fixed

Jane, just called Mayor Miner’s office and was told by the staffer who answered the phone that the occupiers had been given notice of violation 2 weeks ago.

I asked for more specific information (who issued this warning, what time period given to comply, etc.). The staffer told me that she would transfer me to Lindsey Speicher, Dir. of Constituent Services for the mayor.

Of course, I reached only voice mail, but I left a detailed message with my name and phone number and asked that she call me back.

The staffer was very polite, and she did say that they had been receiving quite a few calls. I’ll let you know what else I’m able to learn.

You go girl *g*

Just as the Supreme Court found in the case of Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham during the civil rights era, governments cannot use the pretense of public health and safety to stifle free speech that is critical of them.

I’ll stress this.

I’ll bet after this even more people will show up to protest at the $1,000 a plate fundraiser. Occupy the Ball!

Get ‘em hangin’ at the Lake for a couple years and ya can never tell what they’re gonna do.

Just as the Supreme Court found in the case of Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham during the civil rights era, governments cannot use the pretense of public health and safety to stifle free speech that is critical of them.

And no doubt the four reich-wing SCOTUS fucktards (RATS) and their little lap dog (Kennedy) can’t wait to do away with this precedent.

And don’t you forget it :)

I spoke with Lindsey S., and she told me that the occupiers were caught 5 times breaking the agreement regarding no propane heaters. I asked her to remind her boss about the sub zero weather, and to please give the occupiers a pass. I also called Syracuse Peace Council, the oldest peace group in the US, and asked them to please call the mayor. The mayor’s hubby has donated to the Peace Council in the past. We must keep up the pressure. Peace, Sand

This mayor is a member of which the oligarchical party ?……

well,it doesn’t matter why people continue to be fooled by the bizarre notion that somehow Dems are better than GOP or barely better is in itself bizarre.They are both the same,the difference is just how quick they intend to stomp on our necks on behalf of the corporations.

We are at this point cuz of both of these parties,Dems & GOP, conspiring to eff us.

Great response.

Yep your influence is far reaching. *g*

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, was decided against a city code that permitted the City Commission to refuse a parade permit if its members believe “the public welfare, peace, safety, health, decency, good order, morals or convenience require that it be refused.”

The Court found that as written, it unconstitutionally imposed an “invidious prior restraint” without ascertainable standards for the granting of permits, and that the ordinance had been discriminatorily enforced.

Dontcha wish you could be involved with occupy full time? *g*

I spoke with Lindsey S., and she told me that the occupiers were caught 5 times breaking the agreement regarding no propane heaters.

That’s interesting. Because the city cannot produce any written citation, which the ACLU is requesting.

Nor have they produced a written eviction notice.

hiro8=sandy fessler…

So they are lying! It figures.

Just spoke with Lindsey, as well, and she repeated what she told you about the propane heaters. I mentioned Shuttlesworth v Birmingham and she said the the park was owned by Urban Renewal and was not technically public space which allowed the city to take action. Might as well be Greek, to me.

I asked if they would consider meeting with the occupiers to discuss alternate heating possibilities, but she sounded pretty definite that there will be no structures or camping allowed going forward.

Liar seems harsh. Better have someone scrub the Occupy forum first.

zach@occupysyracuse
December 18th, 2011, 01:02 AM
I would like to make a proposal to raise funds or allocate funds for a heater. I have been doing some research and have found a flame-less catalytic propane heater online that should suit our needs nicely…

We would need to get the 9000 BTU heater due to the fact that the barracks tent is 324 sq ft. The fact that it only uses 1/3 of a pound of propane per hour means it’s fairly efficient and we’d only use 3 lbs per night…
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Melanie DG
January 1st, 2012, 02:47 PM
There is already 2 heaters that are approved for indoor use at camp. The 18,000 BTU one is used for the sleeping tent & the smaller one is moved around as needed. Now we’re at the point of figuring out what type of batteries we can use for basic lighting (I’m certainly not the electrical expert!)…

http://www.occupysyracuse.org/showthread.php?306-Proposal-for-heaters

Um, that’s a proposal, Alan. Not a statement that they have done so, nor even a statement of intent to break the agreement. (In fact, Melanie DG states that the two heaters they already have are approved for indoor use at camp, thus debunking the very insinuation you tried to attempt.)

But you knew all that, you just wanted to imply that you’d caught them being naughty and see how many people you could fool.

By the way, do you have a copy of the citations you imply must exist? Well, do you?

I just read “breaking the agreement regarding no propane heaters” and it seems clear they were using “propane heaters”.

So I don’t know if the city can be considered “lying” about the use of propane heaters.

The government’s always right, right?

I was NOT saying the city was lying about the use of heaters. I was saying that they were lying about “agreement” and “warnings” to the occupiers.

Campers at the Occupy site have already complied with the requests of the city and fire department.The fire department has already confiscated several tanks, and there are currently no active propane tanks at the site; their use was brought to an immediate hault upon the warning.

One camper has also reported that Miner cited safety concerns regarding the inclement weather characteristic of a Syracuse winter.

Both of the reasons that the Mayor’s office has cited are laughable. The Mayor does not care for the safety or well-being of struggling people in Syracuse. If she did, she would not have unilaterally closed the Ida B. Benderson Senior Center; she would not have bailed out the Chamber of Commerce to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars while education and other vital social services suffer from devastating budget cuts.

The Mayor’s actions make it crystal clear that she works for the 1%. It was only a matter of time until she attacked the peaceful encampment. Call her office now at (315) 448-8005 to demand that the Mayor end her attack on Occupy Syracuse.

Occupy Syracuse has called for an emergency General Assembly meeting to discuss our response. The GA will be held tonight, Tuesday, Jan. 17 @ 6:30 at the encampment, on Salina St. between Fayette and Washington.
from ANSWER Coalition, Syracuse http://www.answercoalition.org/syracuse/

Glad the ACLU is involved. I hope the city and mayor are caught in a whopper.

Certainly not always. Heck, for all I know maybe the Occupy Syracuse folks are lying on their forum about having propane heaters in an elaborate attempt to cover Lindsey S’s ass, for some reason.

So where are the citations, Alan? The city can’t produce them — did they give them to you for safekeeping?

Alan, that quoted snippet in your first post still doesn’t say what you imply it says. One person made a proposal, and another person informed the first person that they already have two approved heaters. There is nothing in that short thread to indicate the first person’s proposal was acted upon.

But lying for Republicans is like breathing, isn’t it, Alan?

And guess what, Alan: http://www.occupysyracuse.org/showthread.php%3F306-Proposal-for-heaters&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a” rel=”nofollow”>Here’s the Google cache from January 7, 2012, showing the entire thread (including the parts you didn’t quote; emphases mine):

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December 18th, 2011, 01:02 AM #1
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Exclamation Proposal for heaters

I would like to make a proposal to raise funds or allocate funds for a heater. I have been doing some research and have found a flame-less catalytic propane heater online that should suit our needs nicely.
Here is a link to the heater I found:
http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/r…ess-heater.htm

We would need to get the 9000 BTU heater due to the fact that the barracks tent is 324 sq ft. The fact that it only uses 1/3 of a pound of propane per hour means it’s fairly efficient and we’d only use 3 lbs per night. I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on this, and if anyone can find a better deal post a link to the page. This really needs to be solved quickly due to the fact that this nights temperature is expected to drop to 11 degrees. This poses an extreme danger of hypothermia especially since people are sleeping at these temperatures. My priority is that camper’s are safe, we need to make sure that everyone can sleep safe, and considerably warm.
I’d also like to request that Mel or someone else with a printer, to print that page to bring to the GA. Many thanks.

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Re: Proposal for heaters

Let me kick around a couple of things I’ve been working with. I will not be set up for this winter, but might be able to have something usable (and VERY CHEAP) by summer and again by next winter. My main concern is the allowance for the heater. Is there permission to use heaters, and of what types?

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Re: Proposal for heaters

There is already 2 heaters that are approved for indoor use at camp. The 18,000 BTU one is used for the sleeping tent & the smaller one is moved around as needed. Now we’re at the point of figuring out what type of batteries we can use for basic lighting (I’m certainly not the electrical expert!).

Admit you lied and give up, Alan.

Didn’t somebody once say, “Che with a brassiere”?

Hey alan1tx there’s a new post regarding Rahm Emanuel’s repressive tactics in Chicago. Get on over there and defend his actions.

:-)

In my original I used the ellipsis [...] to denote I omitted parts that didn’t apply to my point (which is that propane heaters were being used).

And I also included a link that shows the entire thread that you posted.

I know you keep saying that the propane heaters are APPROVED for indoor use. But I take that to mean they’re approved by the manufacturer for indoor use, not by the Syracuse FD or by the City in tents in their park. The gas fireplace in my house is APPROVED for indoor use too, but I don’t think that would sway the fire chief to allow it in a tent.

So while we may have a difference of opinion about whether propane heaters were used, I still don’t see anywhere where I lied. But then shouting down those you don’t agree with as liars is easier than supporting your argument on the merits.

“I asked for more specific information (who issued this warning, what time period given to comply, etc.). The staffer told me that she would transfer me to Lindsey Speicher, Dir. of Constituent Services for the mayor.”

Bwah, ha, ha! I used to live in Syracuse and called Lindsey to schedule a meeting to talk to the major about an absentee landlord issue (an issue I resolved myself by moving out of the city). She told me I was not allowed to schedule a meeting to talk to the mayor in person and that I needed to go to town hall meetings.

See, the mayor is a god, just like all our “representatives” and do not like to be among the unwashed. You will never hear back from Lindsey – you’re not a constituent.

As for Occupy Syracuse, they should have moved into the slum house next door to me – the city would have done nothing.

Exactomondo!

I’m starting to think this is your job. You’re here during work hours every day, using a company computer with a company email. Companies like the one you (apparently) work for usually monitor their employees’ computer activities pretty closely, so they at the very least know you’re here and talking on political threads rather than doing any actual real work. Unless of course this is your work.

I’ve been fine for a long time with you having different opinions than most of the people in the community, but your activity patterns are starting to look suspiciously “professional” in nature.

Maybe you can explain why they’re okay with you spending hours every day talking on political websites? What exactly do you do for your employer?

Hi Ms. Hamsher,

Love your site.

I’m impressed that you pay any attention to little ol’ me.

I try to follow your rules and generally provide facts (as I can find them), even if they differ from some of your other commenters.

I also thought your rules allowed me to post in confidence. Thanks for not posting the info that I’m required to provide in order to join, but now I feel as though you’re tracking me and trying to bully me out of the conversation.

I work long hours with no overtime pay, so I justify my Web activity the same way the next guy justifies his smoke breaks or long lunches. They block many sites, but not yours, so I assume it’s ok to log on once in a while. Also, I do post from home part of the time.

Do you ask all of your other commenters if they’re unemployed, or if commenting is within their job description? Obviously I don’t want to upset you personally, so if you want me to STFU, let me know and I’ll be gone.

Sorry if I offended.

Jane, are you thinking he’s being subsidized by his employer in much the same way that, say, the Powerline crowd is thought to be de facto subsidized by their right-wing day-job employers? Considering that the Cooper family of TCF fame (TCF being where Powerline’s Scott “Big Drunk Trunk” Johnson is a Senior Vice President) is the Mr. Burns of Minnesota Republican politics and all.

Oh, the irony. Mister Conservative Free Market Bootstrapper being given “wingnut welfare” to carry conservative water online? I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you!

More on TCF SVP Scott Johnson and Powerline here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/04/26/205376/-I-pulled-my-money-out-of-TCF-Bank