Despite the administration arguing otherwise before the Supreme Court, there is nothing about health insurances that should makes it special from a legal perspective. While it is true that every market for every product is its own unique snowflake, they are all still snowflakes.
Every attempt I’ve seen by defenders of ACA to claim a mandate for health insurance is different from a mandate for any other product/service because the insurance market is special is logically incoherent. The same arguments can equally apply to thousands of products.
Brookings Fellow Henry Aaron makes one of the best attempts explaining why health insurance is somehow legally unique from other products but his argument, like all similar arguments, falls flat when held up against actual examples.
To the surprise of many, opponents of the Affordable Care Act took the broccoli analogy literally. Not buying insurance is simply inactivity, they argued. If government can prohibit this form of inactivity by forcing people to buy insurance, it can force them to buy anything, even broccoli. If Congress can prohibit such ‘inaction,’ they argued, freedom is in jeopardy. More to the point, the constitution doesn’t allow limits on ‘inactivity.’
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One would expect that, on the average, those who voluntarily go without health insurance will be comparatively light users of health care. But one would also expect that some fraction of the uninsured will incur large health costs that they cannot afford to pay. Thus, letting some people decide freely not to buy insurance raises costs in two ways for those who do buy insurance. First, it removes from the insurance pool people with lower-than-average costs, thereby boosting premiums for those who do buy insurance. Second, some of those who do not buy insurance will end up using more medical care than they can pay for. Those unpaid bills will also boost costs for the insured.
Thus, the decision not to buy insurance affects the insurance market, which Congress indisputably has the power to regulate. Furthermore, repeated Supreme Court decisions have established that Congress can regulate actions outside the web of commerce that indirectly affect commerce, such as the decision by a farmer to grow wheat for his own consumption is subject to regulation under the commerce clause.
To be sure, this is the position that the government has advanced in its brief in defense of the Affordable Care Act
Nothing about this is unique to health insurance, it could be applied to a whole range of products and services.
For example, the people currently choosing not to buy gym memberships are mostly people who don’t like going to the gym. If these non-gym users, who use few gym resources, were part of the pool of people paying for gym memberships it would allow gyms to significantly lower membership rates. Thus the decision not to buy a gym membership significantly affects the market for gym memberships, workout equipment makers, personal trainers, etc…
To go back to the broccoli example, my decision not to buy Pennsylvania broccoli means that it is probably cheaper for other people to buy it. This is basic supply and demand. If there was a mandate for every American to buy broccoli from Pennsylvania, that would radically change the market for broccoli, broccoli harvester equipments, land suitable for broccoli and possibly the market for greenhouse equipment used to produce broccoli year round to meet increased demand. Thus people’s decision not to buy broccoli is affecting many markets which Congress indisputably has the power to regulate.
Given the interconnection of our modern economy it is almost impossible to think of any product where the decision of millions of people to buy or not buy the product wouldn’t greatly affect its interstate market.
This is not to say there aren’t some legitimately strong legal arguments for the constitutionality of the mandate brought up by Aaron or the administration. It is possible to argue it is constitutional under Congress’ power to levy taxes, even though Congress and the President refused to call it a tax when they were drafting the law.
It is also possible to argue the mandate is legal under the commerce clause because with cases like Wickard v. Filburn and Gonzales v. Raich, the Supreme Court basically declared the commerce clause allows Congress to regulate anything so long as it may even tangentially affect the market.
What I find absurd, though, is the idea that there is any logical or legal basis for why the commerce clause would magically allow Congress to create a mandate to buy health insurance but not for most other products. There can be no doubt a mandate to buy a product would radically impact the interstate market for that product. If the health insurance mandate is constitutional due to the commerce clause then almost any mandate Congress chooses to create should be constitutional.




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The entire mandate is bullshit.
I can’t afford health insurance now, and I won’t be able to afford it next year. Regulate the cost, allow drug re-importation, and force more money to be spent on care and less on administrative costs, profit margins, and other bullshit, then we’ll talk about the legality of it. The health insurance system is a fucking sham. It should provide a service and it fails to on nearly every major occasion.
Might as well mandate every American to gamble once a month. Casino odds are probably more favorable to the consumer.
Also I see a serious problem with the mandate in that it doesn’t fix what it is supposedly curing. Insurance is just an abstraction, not the treatment itself nor does it mean that if you’re insured that you can pay for all your bills. It is the cost of medical care that boosts costs (which Obama did everything he could not to actually fix – like killing the Dorgan amendment) and the mandate just glosses over that…just because you’re insured, the insurance company can still deny all sorts of things and even if they don’t deny, you’ll still be stuck with hefty bills. I expect quite a few people who had health insurance have gone BK…and that the BK was a result of the medical bills despite having insurance.
I admit that I don’t understand the ACA — does anyone? As for mandates, I and most everyone else must purchase car insurance, post a bond, or face legal jeopardy.
Yeah, but you probably thought the Bush v. Gore decision didn’t make sense either.
The fundamental problem with the “Affordable Care Act” is that it is nakedly corrupt attempt to force everyone in the American population to pay a private insurance corporation money hand-over-fist. There is no public alternative competitor, and as we all know, big business interests are largely successful at controlling government regulations such that they win out in the end.
In other words, the “Affordable Care Act” is a giant giveaway to the private corporate health insurance and pharmaceutical cartels.
It’s crap, deeply offensive and egregious crap.
We don’t need a court decision to tell us this. Besides, the Supreme Court is just another corrupt, largely partisan edifice of the plutocracy’s government.
We need Medicare-for-all.
End of story.
Besides: any law that requires the public to buy an effectively unregulated or under-regulated private product or service, universally, without any public competitor, is simply deeply corrupt and clearly unconstitutional. Nothing in the architectural document for our government was intended to turn our public sector into a machine in the service of filthy rich rent-seekers.
The difference there is that you have a choice to drive on public roads. If you are driving on private roads you do not need a license or insurance. You only need to post bond if you choose to commit a crime and get arrested.
Are you saying people should chose whether or not they continue to live? Because that’s the only choice you have in this mandate. Whether or not your alive in America.
You don’t have to buy auto insurance unless you personally choose to own and drive a motor vehicle on public roads. That is different from a mandate saying you must by private health insurance no matter what.
Besides, the (Reagan-era) auto insurance mandate is deeply flawed: the mandate did not create any sufficient regulatory apparatus to reduce costs to the consumer, or allow people to deduct a part of their insurance costs from taxes, nothing to benefit to the consumer at all.
Other countries have “health insurance for everybody”. Canada has it, France, and I’ve personally seen how it works in New Zealand and the people there are pretty pleased with it. I have said in this forum, in NZ< there are things you give up with the government plan. I was in a ward with 3 other patients. But the doctors I had and the meds I received were the same as somebody WITH private insurance.
Why are WE trying to reinvent the wheel here????
P.S. Why does everybody pick on broccoli? Now, okra, I could understand.
The price gouging in auto insurance is insane. My wife had an at fault accident last month. The other party involved was uninsured. We did not have uninsured motorist coverage (do now!) so we’re left with a car with about $4,000 in damage that we need to pay for. The other party’s car was repaired at a cost of about $2,000.
I’ve been a loyal customer for 3.5 years with Progressive, and this accident which resulted in a $2,000 cost to them (even though they’ve collected about $3,000 from me over the past 3+ years) has resulted in my premium increasing by $1,000 a year.
Insurance is a mechanism to spread costs of risk across a large pool of participants. Yet in the next 2 years I will pay back the cost of my risk individually.
Where’s the point of insurance, then? Might as well have paid for the repairs myself.
And I’m left holding the bag for my own car because of product variation mechanisms and coverage elections babble.
“I and most everyone else must purchase car insurance..”
Only if you own a car which you are not (yet) required to do. You can opt out by choosing to walk or use public transportation.
You also are only required to buy liability insurance which is intended to protect those you may injure.
Good article, thanks.
We are forced to buy auto insurance and most people avoid making claims because their premiums will go up. And when we do try to make a claim the insurance companies make it difficult. We pay about $3,000. a year so in a decade the ins. co. made $30,000 and bitch about a $2000. claim. It’s all bullshit.
Honestly, why should we be forced to purchase auto insurance for those who are illegally driving on roads with no insurance? Thats crazy.
The American Medical Association isn’t the holy grail. It’s not just the insurance. It is also forcing people into a healthcare system that they might really wish not to be in. There are alternative treatments to many illnesses. Sometimes the AMA treatment causes more harm then good. Sometimes the risk of medical error or malpractice is too high. Many of the pharmaceuticals end up being deadly or causing organ damage. Many drugs are prescribed improperly. The Drug companies are paying billions of dollars in fines for illegally marketing there products.
In California there’s an automatic judgement against anyone driving without insurance. If you are on the road and in an accident, and you’re not carrying insurance, you’re automatically at fault. The logic is you shouldn’t be on the road in the first place.
We found out last month that this isn’t the case in Texas. So on top of being shafted out of my own car repairs I had to stand by and let my insurance company pay to fix the car of the other person, and now I have to pay increased rates.
Silver lining? The uninsured motorist is losing her license for a year, has to carry what’s called an SR-22 (proof of insurance filing) with the department of motor vehicles (DPS) for 4 years, and has her car impounded for 6 months. Plus the citation for operating without insurance.
:)
Medicare-for-all currently cost $10,800 per person.
Are you willing to pay $10,800 per family member for Medicare-for-all?
Ever wonder what happened to the “protection racket” division of organized crime? It’s been legitimized and is thriving as the insurance industry.
Where did you possible get that figure? It is not right.
If you don’t know where I got it, how do you know if it’s right or not?
Way to answer a question with a question rather than simply provide your source for the information.
I can’t for the life of me imagine why there is anything unique about this. It’s just a way to get the money to the insurance guys so they can pay huge salaries and bonuses, hire lobbyists to be sure it doesn’t go away and have rich offsites. If you really wanted health care, you probably would think of something else. But hey, this is capitalism, remember? So what are the bets the supremes let it go, or not?
Just for you.
$516B / 47.5M = $10,863 per person, last year.
https://www.cms.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2011.pdf
You are not seriously suggesting that Wellpoint can do this cheaper, are you?
If you choose to own/drive a car, it is mandated (by states) that you purchase at least a minimum of insurance. BUT, you can choose NOT to own a car, opting for other means of transport. But health–and healthcare–come with living . . . they are human needs/rights. We ALL have health–no choice–be it good or bad.
As spanishinquisition (above) noted, the ACA turned into an argument about health insurance instead of the needed debate and remedies for a broken health CARE system. It’s sad that while we raise our index fingers, in a gesture of American exceptionalism, shouting “We’re number one”–our status in the world (in the healthcare arena) belies our chant. Unless you think that being #1 in the amount paid for healthcare per citizen is the appropriate metric for cheers, we are far down the ladder in most measures of health and healthcare delivery. Until/unless we refocus the debate (start a new debate?), BigInsurance, BigPharma, BigMedical are the winners–not the American public.
I guess not.
But most people couldn’t afford $10,800 per family member per year which is what Medicare currently costs.
It’s easy to say Medicare-for-all if you think it’s free.
But you use a strawman argument. Medicare recipients are older, sicker and more costly. A broader base gives you a larger denominator and a lower cost per patient.
My issues with the mandate are:
1. Why a fine rather than automatic enrollment?
2. No public option (ability to buy into Medicare as an option vs. private insurance)
3. Why not require employers to contribute more toward cost of subsidies for uninsured employees?
4. High salaries of private insurance executives, lobbyists, & profits passed onto shareholders. If this is a public service with a mandate on individuals to buy the product, with government subsidies, there should be a strict cap on CEO salaries, payments to lobbyists, and profits.
5. Price gouging by medical and drug industries.
Thing is, traditionally, goods and services that everyone “needs” are PUBLICLY provided through taxes.
Like universal health care, just to name one… you know, like, uhm… ooh I’ve GOT it! Medicare!
Using the “commerce” clause to force citizens into a commercial transaction then regulating them thereunder is a non effin starter. Sheesh.
Constitutional scholar, anyone?
Good link. If you take out part d the cost is a little under 10k per their summary. Ask yourself what you expect for elderly people and the fact we have a fucked up system everyone trys to game.
Coral, I think your #2 is illustrative of the disingenuity of our government leaders. Given a choice, even if the cost were similar, I would CHOOSE Medicare (for all) had the option been provided. A 3% administrative cost as opposed to 20-35% for private insurers says all that needs to be said about the rip-off that is BigInsurance.
If everyone were in the program, it is most unlikely to cost that much. I don’t think we settle for an insurance company plan if we can get this handled at the fed level.But that’s just me.
PS Jon had some comparisons to what other countries pay for health care. You can also find it on the Kaiser web site. Suffice to say, we pay considerably more per capita than any other OECD nation.
It’s not really a strawman. It just happens to be the only numbers I have for Medicare.
Maybe the cost would end up being somewhat lower, as you guess. But no one’s presented any data on that.
The other thing you didn’t acknowledge is that a large numger of young healthy people currently don’t pay for insurance (becaues they don’t think they need it, or can’t afford it, or what ever). Medicare-for-all means the government takes it out of your check as a payroll tax, whether you want it or can afford it or not.
This article entirely misses the point. We as a society have decided that we will provide medical care regardless if one can pay or not. If you’re in an accident and go to an emergency room, you will be provided with care whether you can afford to pay or not. For those of you who don’t want a mandate because you don’t want to pay for insurance, then if you’re critically ill, don’t use the emergency room for treatment and sit at home and die. If everyone is willing to do that, then I’d agree that a mandate isn’t necessary. I suspect there aren’t many who would agree with that.
The real problem is the out of control medical cost. Medical costs make up 16% of GDP and this is spiraling upward. This is an unsustainable situation. The other industrialized nations with “socialized” medicine pay about 8%. The GOP solution is to do nothing about rising costs and cap goverment liability. Meaning the number of uninsured will continue upward. We are now at 50MM uninsured and counting. The ACA is just a start.
This reminds of a couple of cities that charge an annual fee for the fire protection. A group of people decided they didn’t need it and didn’t pay the fee. Of course, they must have reasoned, the odds were on their side. When one of their houses caught fire, they called the fire department. The fireman came out and watched their house burn to the ground. That’s the analogy that best suits medical insurance.
We as a nation pay far too much for health care. If I had time I’d go look it up. But it is almost into silly territory prolly bc we simply cannot manage it. There’s a graph in that link you supplied showing the percent of gdp.
That is because they are old. Same insurance for a 35 year old would cost only like 2,000. 10,000 a year is not the cost of Medicare for all. You are wrong.
Yeah, but Alan, the figures are skewered because practically everyone covered by Medicare has need of some sort of on-going health care. If you increase the population of people covered to include everyone, you gets lots and lots of young people who go years without having to see a doctor. So the overall costs of the program might go up modestly, but when you divide by the vastly increased number of people covered by the system, the cost per person goes way down. Also, with Medicare for all, you lose the 30% overhead costs associated with private insurance. And when you factor the savings from not having to pay for private insurance, overall costs to the public go down. Waaay down.
BTW: I qualified for Medicare last year. Last year prior to that, with a Blue Crucifix Individual policy with a $2,500 deductible cost me $9,700 just in premiums. That’s within sight of your $10,800 per year Medicare per person cost. And if I hadn’t qualified for Medicare, my premium was going to go up to just under $20,000 ($19,680 to be exact).
The article is only about a very specific legal argument that is going before the Supreme Court.
There’s the numbers I was searching for. Even worse than I remembered. Sure they are right?
But as to insurance, it is a scam and it will not help those numbers. Prolly make it worse.
What you are using for your cost is more of a ‘gross average payout’ than a cost per person. Averages hide quite a bit. Say for example, a few hundred of the payouts are for cancer treatments, which is expensive, the payouts quickly overwhelm the ratio.
(It is the Bill Gates problem: put BG in a room with a 100 fast food employees, the average wage in the room is multimillionaire, even though all 100 fast food workers incomes put together will not add up to a single million.)
To further Jon’s point, suppose the next time there is a crisis in the auto industry (given the economy …) the administration decides all folks in New York City, Chicago, Seattle and San Francisco that take public transportation must buy a car. This economic activity will benefit car companies and cause a major disaster in those cities. Just finding the parking space for all of those apartment dwellers to put the cars is gonna be rough.
Yeah, try to keep it in the box, Jon. No need to upset everyone.
So where do you stand on the issue? do you want the supremes to strike down the mandate so we get another run at med for all, or run with the insurance plan?
If I read this correctly, this says that the benefits PAID OUT per person were $10,863. That’s not the same as the cost per person to have Medicare.
There’s a difference between paid in and paid out. Reading comprehension?!?
I suspect the congress WILL get a “do over”. I think it’s a good idea.
BUt then, OTOH, nobody listens to ME. I told you guys in #9 I was IN THE HOSPITAL, in New Zealand, and nobody asked me how I was doing NOW. :-(
So how are you doing now?
I’ve got a 7 inch titanium plate in my left leg and 9 screws. But I’m fine. Thank YOU for asking.
Suggestion: Stay off the luge ride in Rotorua.
You forgot to include the disabled. They are separate for accounting purposes but still accounted for in the total, reducing the per individual to around $9300+.
Health insurance companies serve no useful purpose. Single payer is the way to the most good for the most people. The mandate makes the government and the insurance companies partners in extortion. But that’s just my stupid opinion.
There are only 9 people in the world smart enough to read and understand our constitution. Who knew that the commerce clause means the government can regulate any fucking thing it wants to regulate? How would regular people have ever figured out that corporations are people and money is speech?
I sincerely doubt the Roberts Court will find for people and against extortionists. But whatever they do will be beyond mere human understanding.
Sorry 22. This was meant for the bottom of the thread.
Reading comprehension?!?
You may have to explain yourself.
All workers – not retirees – pay into Medicare. It doesn’t cost people ON Medicare anything (unless you want part C or some such). It all goes into a pool. Then the ammount PAID OUT is the cost. Divided by the number of people covered, is the average cost.
I don’t disagree. Now tell the 20 year old waiting tables that they need to spend 40% of their income on insurance they won’t need for 10 years.
I think it’s fair to point out that Medicare for all IS a mandate to purchase health insurance, just like the ACA. You would not be able to “opt out” (since it would come out of your payroll taxes, presumably) without being unemployed. So, fundamentally, there’s not much difference between the ACA’s mandate and Medicare for all.
What is different is where the money goes; people (like me) who support a Medicare for all scheme believe that the economies of scale, the leverage that the government has over, e.g. pharmaceutical makers, and so on, would drive the COSTS of health care much lower in a Medicare for all scheme. Plus, without the profit motive (hopefully!) I assume that Medicare for all would lead to more dollars going to treatment and research than to lining the pockets of the corporate shareholders.
But make no mistake, Medicare for all IS a mandate to purchase health care coverage. It’s just a much, *much* less broken and corrupt mandate.
100% correct… thanks for the truth.
ACA is nothing more than a corrupt giveaway to the health insurance industry by Obama and the Democrats. It is one of, if not the most most corrupt pieces of legislation ever enacted by our corrupt government.
The health insurance industry provides no real service… all they do is take money out of the system… they are nothing more than blood sucking middlemen.
The only REAL solution is Universal Health Care. Of course the Corrupt Democrats and Corrupt Republicans have no interest whatsoever in a real solution… they are only interested in more corruption.
If it were me I’d argue from the prospective that it is uniquely different because we REQUIRE emergency care providers to render care without regard to the person’s ability to pay for emergency care.
Actually you don’t have to purchase car insurance. You can choose not to drive. That would negate your need. However, the reason that if you drive a car you are required to buy car insurance is very similar to the rationale behind the mandate. It would basically ensure that the cost associated for someone’s health not fall on other people.
My biggest problem with it is exactly as you say there is not nearly enough in the legislation to control and regulate the private market.
We’ve seen in the past that large insurers have run roughshod over regulatory agencies. I see nothing that fixes that.
There should have been a public option there for private enterprise to compete with. It would have kept them honest because it would have allowed the consumer an option if they felt they were being gouged.
I watched “The Mistake Billionair’s Made” on CSPan last night, I found the link on Michael Moore’s home page and it’s still there. The panel consisted of Tavis Smiley, Susie Orman, Michael Moore, Barbara Ehrenreich, and Cornel West. One of them mentioned if we naturalized the oil under the US we could afford free health care for all and they mentioned the checks the people of Alaska get for the oil under the Alaskan’s feet. The oil and natural gas does belong to all of us, especially if you figure we pay for all the oil spills.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/
Thanks to whom ever posted the link below. I won’t be buying J & J products any more. This lawsuit is going on now. They might get a billion dollar fine but they made double digit billions on the new drug. And 1 person gets 18 months in jail. The punishment should be more severe to stop this people from stealing from the public trough.
http://1boringoldman.com/
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-12/j-j-to-oppose-texas-in-1-billion-trial-over-risperdal-marketing.html
To play the devil’s advocate here, I think there is an argument based on a 1935 case, Hopkins Federal Savings and Loan Association v. Cleary, 296 US 315 (1935)that may be relevant, if not controlling, law.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=296&invol=315
This case dealt with the conversion of a Wisconsin savings and loan into a federal savings and loan without 100% approval of the members. The S&L was, in effect, a legal cooperative, which made the members the owners of the S&L. The State of Wisconsin opposed this conversion on the grounds it violated Wis. S&L law which granted property rights to the members. The case went to the US Supreme Court which sustained Wisconsin’s position over the federal law allowing conversion with only 50%$ approval of the members.
Obviously, this case is factually distinguishable, but it is precedent for the idea that property rights (or liberty rights) based on state law might trump federal legislation in some cases. It has never been overruled. If Hopkins Fed. S&L v. Cleary doesn’t become central focus of this case, the challengers to Obamacare have to be complete and utter morons. I’m assuming they are and that they will lose the case for this reason. I hope they do.
I don’t like Obamacare that much; I’d have much preferred single payer or simply extending Medicare to everybody. But there is an intellectually honest challenge to Obamacare based on precedent.
The final and unique goal of Health insurers is to steal the greater amount of money from yours pockets whatever it takes.
While mathematically if more people buy insurance then hypothetically health care cost will go down, in practice that does not work that way,prices are skyrocketing and will keep skyrocketing forever, or not? look only at deductibles and copayments. Appalling!!
The Unaffordable health care act is only affordable for governments and insurers,not for hard working people,the mandate is the huge Abomination, the greatest scam and corrupt chapter of the Unaffordable Act,you must buy insurance because i say so,without offering any protection again abusive insurers and health care providers,if you don’t buy i will mess with your income.
Obama could have avoided all this scam with universal health care,a decent public option,a single payer etc,but he prefers to reward insurers instead of people,they are the luckiest beneficiaries in this hoax.
Aside from the valid differences pointed out by others, in the case of car insurance you must have the insurance to protect others you may harm. As far as insurance for harm you do to yourself (eg: wreck the car) most states could care less.
Bogus number. You know it’s bogus. Why post that here?
I guess I don’t understand the difference between the individual’s cost for Medicare, which I’d refer to as premiums paid out of pocket, versus the cost for Medicare, which would be the benefits paid to health care providers for services. Or perhaps it’s you that lacks the comprehensive ability to differentiate between the two.
I get why the auto insurance parallel is slightly off. What about legally mandated vaccinations? These are a series of laws against inactivity which have been supported by the courts, although there are religious exemptions.