Watching the massive late night raids on the occupations at places like Oakland and New York City I’m left thinking, who is paying for all this?
These massive late night raids can’t be cheap. They involve dozens, perhaps hundreds of police officers, often brought in from other nearby jurisdictions. There just aren’t that many police on the graveyard shift, so the bulk of them must be getting paid costly overtime to work evictions in the middle of the night. I can also only assume renting police from other jurisdictions to work a late night shift must come with some significant additional costs.
In these bad economic times, cities and other local jurisdictions have been struggling hard to find funds to pay for even the most basic public services, including police. They have been forced to make extremely painful cuts at every level to stay within budget. They simply don’t have large pools of funds to spare.
Either cities like Oakland have decided using massive police force to break up peaceful demonstrations is worth wasting money that could have gone to fund needed city services like schools, public transit and infrastructure repair, or the cities are getting federal money from agencies like the Department of Homeland Security to pay for these military style crackdowns.
Neither of the two possibilities is good news, but I find it strange that all over the country several large cities simultaneously decided now is the moment to waste a huge amount of their limited budgets on expensive late night raids that require overwhelming police presence.
I don’t have the answer to the question yet, but I have my suspicions. I think the American people deserve to know exactly who is footing the bill for what appear to be nation-wide coordinated attacks on the occupy movement.




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This inquiring mind would like to know. And, I’ve already got a rope.
Who wears ” counter terrorism “coats ,Feds ?
There are massive civil rights suits and settlements to follow also
DHS probably has lots of money to spend and I know they would like to help out when needed. Money is always found when the peasants need a beat down.
Using tax dollars to dismantle a protest the majority of those tax payers favor…genius
The Super Committee can claim it needs to cut entitlements because the beat downs are adding to the deficit.
Drop in the bucket vs what they have had to and would continue to pay for increased security around the occupy sites. No doubt this saves the cities money over the long run.
This is the internet, we read you for the info. you share AND for your thoughts & opinions.
Dog shit on my shoe
ROTFL! Comment of the day!
NYC can’t afford to save 15,000 homeless families from being put out on the streets just in time for the holidays, but they can afford to launch massive raids against protesters?
How expensive would a few porta-potties be?
we are paying the bill to get beaten up it is all kind of kinky
Sooner or later #OWS will wind up being identified as a terrorist group by the 1%.
funny and true.
and the beauty part is…
after spending the money (that they supposedly don’t have) they get to blame the occupiers themselves.
Thanks for this Jon.
Hope you’re able to stay on the trail of this information. Maybe the good Spocko has some ideas–he asked the same sorts of questions about the original TeaParty protests (remember those?)
You are closer to the truth than you know.
Remember why DHS was put together? Protect America and Americans against terrorism. So if they are using their money to help coordinate these actions, how does it fit their mandate? They need to show that this action “protects America against terrorism”
Who are the Americans that are being protected and who are the terrorists?
Remember when you would read stories about a small community in Montana that got money for Hazmat equipment and the money came from DHS? It was really pork, but if you called it equipment to fight terrorism, you got the cash.
In this case the bureaucrats in DHS are looking at all the ways to talk about how this can fit into their overall mission. I’m sure they will find several rationals. One might want to ask the people overseeing the DHS to please provide those rationals now so we can see how solid they are.
HA! It’s almost like you invoked me!
Ultimately, the 99% is paying for them, of course. Add that to the list of scams by the 1% — they’ve set it up so that we pay for their protection from the people they rip off.
And we get blamed for it by the 1%media, too, of course. If we’d just shut up and take it, everything would be fine.
Serfs up!
— Spartacus
Jon Walker,
(It’s “rationales”)
This is a great line of inquiry.
The coordination is creepy. The press-police coordination, too, as evidenced by the Post’s article today (“Occupation or infestation”).
From the DHS website: Our Mission
The Core Missions
There are five homeland security missions:
Preventing terrorism and enhancing security;
Securing and managing our borders;
Enforcing and administering our immigration laws;
Safeguarding and securing cyberspace;
Ensuring resilience to disasters;
In addition, we must specifically focus on maturing and strengthening the homeland security enterprise itself.
More on the DHS mission can be found in the Quadrennial Homeland Security Review (QHSR)
I don’t see how helping Mayors with shutting down Occupy sites fits into their mission.
Back in the 70′s, I had a close friend on the police force in New Britain CT, a small city outside Hartford. He got promoted to Chief, the first Black C.o.P. in the state. Immediately, the KKK announced a big national convention meeting in that city. The City Council called my friend in, scared shitless,”What are we going to do!?”
He said, “Give me an unlimited expense account and I will guarantee no problems”. They said, “Yes, yes, anything you want.” Not only was the whole city PD on overtime duty, but half the state PD. The KKK could not even breathe, never mind burn a cross etc. They left in an hour.
But trust me, that cost a huge fortune.
Soo. I did some more reading and I think I found how they will justify the support of the Mayors.
“The Homeland Security Advisory Council’s Countering Violent Extremism Working Group, comprised of chiefs of police, sheriffs, community leaders and homeland security experts, issued a series of recommendations on ways to better support community-based efforts to counter violent extremism domestically – which the Department is currently working to implement.”
There’s something suspicious about this:
It’s like the rationale is protecting transportation infrastructure.
Washington’s McPherson Square has them.
“There are massive civil rights suits and settlements to follow also”
———- I certianly hope so.
Seems counterintuitive to me too!!!!
(Thanks, “counterintuitive” was on my “word of the day” calendar, for which use , I reward myself a cold Dos Equis..or sometimes two)
Quite a quote. I bet that use that line in the HBO movie.
They’re trying to run up the tab so they can point to the occupations as Costing The Taxpayers Big Bucks, which they hope will lower the occupiers approval ratings, and raise their own when they come back to punch the hippies some more.
Lottsa pissed off people out there. Remember, back in 1770′s, lotta pissed off people got together and changed their government.
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Where’d I put my musket? Ahh, next to my wood stove.
I hope they get the one with the mirror inside over the urinal. Sometimes your hair gets pretty messed up when they pepper spray you.
Almost from the beginning, a lot of big buck$$ have been spent in PD raids, etc, against the Occupiers. Often a huge show of force against a somewhat small number of very peaceful protestors in the cases of smaller cities and towns. Most often in the dead of night with reports of dozens of police cars, paddy wagons, fully armed SWAT teams and so forth.
Clearly the PTB have been flexing their muscles from the beginning, along with directing the spread of propoganda (eg, dirty hippies pooping on police cars, sex in the open, drugs, etc… most of it not true, of course). Along with the usual spiel about: “who can figure out what this is all about???? It makes no sense! People pooping, yadda yadda…”
Many here have already said: it’ll get worse, not better, and it’s clear that there’s a lot of coordination going on across the country. DHS involved? Count on it. Along with some other “secret” organizations. More to follow.
Who pays? YOU and ME!! The 99%. We are on the hook for the vast over-spending on this nonsense. But why do it? Not just to intimidate, but also to get other citizens “mad” bc money is being *wasted* in “keeping everyone safe from the dirty f*cking hippies who don’t know what they’re doing”…. etc.
Yet another diversionairy tactic to pit segments of the 99% against one another. Ye Olde: Divide & Conquer.
Yes. That’s it. I owe you a drink. Whadda ya having??
The propoganda media is definitely getting more aggressively hostile towards the Occupy protests. Very evident that the 1% wants to rile up the rubes to be “mad” at the protestors. How dare we question our 1% Overlords who “work so hard”???
Nice catch. But it’s still illegal based on local law enforcement/local control laws, isn’t it?
Money is only an issue when it helps ordinary people. It is never a concern when the issue is the application of force.
That’s not the point. Where did they come up with the money in the first place? Work on your talking points. They need refining, sucker.
What? You’re trying to make us believe now that she didn’t invoke you?
Closing down the transportation options was so people couldn’t get to Zuccotti.
:)
Honest: it is Obama’s giving in to the progressives by providing an economic stimulus through additional federal dollars for local “shovel ready projects”…. Watch, the White House will be demanding that we thank them for removing the protesters because it was “exactly what you asked for”….
The message couldn’t be more clear. What don’t you DIRTY HIPPIES get about the Constitution just being a a “Piece of F*cking Paper?”
My boss didn’t know what the protest were for (I bet). He went on to complain that you can’t get medicare if you make over $160,000 a year.
I believe this is an outrageous mis-allocation of funds and resources for which taxpayers ought to hold their mayors accountable. Oakland spent over $500,000 to knock down some tents and arrest a few protesters! Quan brought in police from neighboring counties to do this. I’d like to know who approved spending this money, too. How often are these mayors going to tap public coffers to prod peaceful protesters? Who is holding them accountable for this needless expenditure.
it would be funding from the dept of homeland security
ordered by the white house.
funding would be indirect and disguised, possibly as coubter-terrorism funds from dhs to each city.
it’s also possible the the doj has some funds that could be applied to this type of policing.
on a different matter,
i would expect doj, state, or city prosecutors to begin harrassing occupy leaders with threats of prosecution or with actual grand jury indictments.
no one should underestimate the ruthlessness of the obama administration, especially where its hold on power is threatened.
And I didn’t even have to resort to “Paging Spocko. Spocko, to the FDL courtesy phone!” (IOW: I _meant_ to do that!)
But, yes, I remember vividly your efforts to follow the money in the case of TeaParty rallies.
Can you imagine if anyone associated with Occupy was packin’ heat strapped to their thigh? Holy crud.
IOKIYAR though. *sigh*
A commenter over at Information Clearing House posted this today:
“Just imagine what would happen if the mob of riot-geared cops were confronted with a line of riot-geared citizens…
Or, put another way, when the crime rate goes up at an Occupy site because the police arrive and proceed to act as armed outlaws and criminals battering peaceful civilians – what do you do? Or what must you do to keep order and safeguard the citizens and their rights in your own community?
Well, they already have the playbook for that, thanks to the many allegedly religious terrorist entrapments of recent years.
Remember the guy who was going to take down the Brooklyn Bridge with a blowtorch or something? Somewhere there’s probably a grant proposal to DHS or somewhere that used that incident as the rationale.
It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to just provide porta-potties and a few dumpsters. But if they did that they wouldn’t get to practice all those tactics they’ve been practicing at for years–how to crush demonstrations. Bet the Darth Vader suits and the extra riot training were bought with DHS money,too.
And the Darthy gear was purchased and the extra riot training was conducted because the PTB knew that, soon, it would be needed to maintain their power.
I recall that a liability fund was established in Minneapolis-St.Paul before the Republican National Convention in 2008 to pay any judgments that might be obtained against cops for violating the civil rights of protesters during the convention. Then they imported military-trained riot cops from all over the country to assault and intimidate protesters at will, which they did without making even a pretense of abiding by the Fourth Amendment.
The liability fund was basically a license to assault with impunity.
The coordinated attacks on the Occupy protesters remind me of the old expression,
“If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . .”
Federal money is almost certainly involved because the cities and states do not have any.
That suggests Obama at the very least approved of this tactic.
Are the Wall Street banks involved?
We definitely need some answers.
I am expecting a crackdown with grand jury investigations of the protesters as potential terrorists. They sure won’t be investigating who approved of and paid for the wholesale violation of First and Fourth Amendment rights by coordinated police action.
That’ll no doubt be undiscoverable classified information to protect national security.
“Homeland Security Coordinated 18-City Police Crackdown on Occupy Protest
Washington’s Blog
November 16, 2011″
http://www.prisonplanet.com/homeland-security-coordinated-18-city-police-crackdown-on-occupy-protest.html
I think your question would be best asked of the Police Executives Research Forum (PERF), which according to an AP article coordinated the conference calls on behalf of the mayors. FBI and DHS folks were on the conference calls, according to AP. The calls were initiated by some of the mayors (see their board members for a guess). PERF is a research, training, consulting, and lobbying organization that gets funds from DHS and DOJ grants, state contracts, city contracts, and other sources.
My sense is that the focus on DHS is probably incorrect; the primary DHS involvement seems to be the Federal Protectives Services police–the folks who do security on Federal Reserve bank buildings and federal courthouses. I would look at the FBI as the major cassandra about the Occupy Wall Street movement — a role they have almost a hundred years of experience performing. Links to info about PERF are in yesterday’s and today’s liveblog comments.
i have no doubt this has already happened.
i think it is time for #occupyDHS, #occupyFBI, and #occupyP.A.T.R.I.O.T.Act.
ideas?
The DHS, Department of Homeland Security, needs a more appropriate name. I’m going with DFS. The Department of Fatherland Security. Papers Please.
Portland PD spent almost $500,000 in overtime for its actions over the weekend.
The Denver Post (a conservative mouthpiece) is already pushing the message that Occupiers are bankrupting city budgets- http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_19353325