This particular poll result from Pew Research does a very good job of encapsulating the mood of the country and revealing why the 99 percent movement has managed to gain so much steam over the past month and a half. In these economic hard times strong majorities say that the government doesn’t do enough for regular people such as seniors, the middle class, poor people and children. Yet an overwhelming 64 percent of the country instead feels our government does too much to help the wealthy.
Clearly the American people think there is something extremely wrong with our governments priorities and for good reason. People see that we have privatized the gains for the richest 1 percent but socialized their loses.
When Wall Street collapsed the economy they got bailed out with billions of government dollars while regular people have been forced to suffer through years of unemployment that is over 9 percent.
We have a tax loopholes that allow many of the richest people in the country to pay lower tax rates than secretaries and teachers.
The big banks get effectively zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve but regular Americans can’t get help with their debt.
Millions of Americans struggle to afford health care but the government allows the drug companies to make massive profits by giving them the power to rip off regular people. The federal government does this by refusing to regulate the prices of the monopolies they grant to drug companies and by making it illegal for Americans to buy the drugs at a cheaper price from Canada.
As long as we have a campaign system where politicians are almost totally dependent on begging the wealthy for large campaign donations to get elected, it shouldn’t surprisie anyone that we end up with a government that is most responsive to those needs of those same rich people. We need public campaign financing, so we can have elected officials who don’t need to cater to the wishes of the ultra-wealthy to get money needed to run for office.





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When I was unemployed and uninsured, I was prescribed a name brand medication. My urologist, knowing about my plight, gave me several weeks’ worth of free samples. The medication returned me to normal urinary function and when I ran out, I went to the pharmacy to get the ‘scrip filled. They wanted 324 BUCKS to fill it one time! That was almost what I got from unemployment insurance in one week! There was no way I could do that. I looked the drug up on the web and in EVERY OTHER NATION, the highest price I would have paid is roughly ten percent of what was being demanded of me here in the good ol’ USA. Must be some of that American exceptionalism or something because the drug was the same, the dosage was the same, the manufacturer was the same, even the brand name was the same but at one tenth the cost, (or lower depending on the nation). Needless to say, I did without my prescription. Soon after, the Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act was passed and signed and the drug prices shot up another 25 to 50 percent. You know what? FUCK the rich! Fuck them and their sycophantic wannabes. The state of things in this country is an abomination. For the 99 percent.
Not really OT, worth a read-From Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/michael-hudson-on-the-showdown-in-greece.html
Sheriff of Nottingham Rules….
Yesterday: Most Young Adults Say They Are Worse Off Compared to Four Years Ago
Earlier today: Obama Still Holds Big Advantage with Young Voters
WTF?
Screw the 1%. They don’t care about us, we should not care about them. Especially our Congressmen.
The young are always filled with hope. They have not become jaded and knowledgeable like us oldies. We will find out if they are willing to fight for what they need.
The view that Wall Street is to blame for the economic collapse is not accurate, and that’s why the problem is not being addressed. Most people that are polled don’t have any idea that there is a plan for World Governance that is being hatched and actually is in full swing. The EU summits are all about getting control of EU once were sovreign nations to e all controlled from Brussels, to form a European Union, that will centralize taxes and have an army of it’s own, that will be as powerful, or more powerful than the US. It is designed to get the USA to join up with the Eurozone, instead of the other way around, and so far it’s not doing too badly. They got the Obama administration on board for the Arab Spring uprisings, and involved up to the neck with the NATO attacks on Libay, culminating in the murder of Qadaffi. The Oligarchs in their drive for perpetual war, which they will finance probably every side of the fray, and arrange for arms for every side also, are intent on crushing not only the emerging African economies, they are intent on crushing Arab economies and then to crush the Big Boys, Russia, China and India.
We in the USA can break loose from the Eurozone and it’s bankrupt monetrist empirical system dating back to the Roman Empire and the Crusades etc, which was supposed to be the conclusion at the end of the War Of Independence, by insisting on the reinstatement of the Glass Steagall standard, and the passage of the NEED ACT of 2011 introduced by Denis Kucinich, to give Congress back it’s rightful mandate, Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution to utter credit for projects that will benefit the citizens and their posterity, for generations to come.
The Glass Steagall act will effectively put the too large to fail banks into receivership, and make the illigitimate gambling debts of the banksters, and all bailouts, illegal. Good. Then, we can get on with the new Credit System which was originally conceived by Alexander Hamilton, and enshrined in the Preamble and the US Constitution principles that are the foundation of the American Way. We don’t need the FED, we don’t need a British Puppet like our president, to tell us that we need austerity and a Third World War. Like a hole in the head. We cannot put up with the current state of affairs any longer. Call your Congressman and ask for the immediate passage of the RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT introduced by Marcy Kaptor D Ohio, HR 1489. That will get us on the road towards recovers. The CREDIT SYSTEM will allow us to fund many great huge infrastructure platform projects such as the NAWAPA Water Management Program that will also help us to manage the temperature and help mitigate the effects of the weather catastrophes we are suffering because of excessive radiation from the Galaxy atmosphere in our Universe.
The problems are not Man Made, they emanate from our lack of knowlege of our Galaxy, and we need NASA up and running to continue on with research in this area of expertise and make scientific breakthroughs and technological discoveries that will help us to understand, and be better prepared for other such catastrophes such as earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis and such. The recent famines, floodings and fires could have been so much better addressed had we prepared better for it. FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers are not funded correctly, and we are not sufficiently prepared with extra generators if our power grid goes down or other things, food supplies, water supplies, blankets and shelter readiness. There are several states in Emergency Conditions after the recent snowstorm on the East Coast, and there are also places that are sill suffering from the flooding from Irene etc. The Missippi and Missouri flooding caused tremendous hardship for farmers, and the resulting loss of corn and wheat etc will mean that cattle and pigs etc will not have food, and will be slaughtered. This is a disastrous state of affairs. We can get this under control by getting the President to resign so we can have an Administration that can organize things so that the USA is gotten back together again. The leadership from the WH and in Congress is utterly disastrous, and we need to have this situation rectified right away. We do not need to spend one more second worrying about Herman Cain’s sex life. We do not need to go to war with any other country for the moment. We need to get President Obama out of the WH and the Glass Steagall standard reinstated and then take a deep breath, establish a New Bretton Woods between Russia, the US and China, using our credit system via treaties to get Credit established for those sovreign nations so they can get cracking too. Once this is done, Japan and Europe etc can all join in the party…………….pray pray pray
Who said “I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees?” Can’t remember but this seems a good time to say it. Alice, you are a hit and run.
Time for the Dem couch potatoes to get off the couch or the republican are going to run us over. You can’t sit back because you have have the things that you do.These republican people mean to protect the 1% at what ever the cost.Either start participating in making a difference or get ready to get run over. Easily the Dems out number the GOP but getting action from Dems is hard. The next 12 months are going to get real ugly. Either get up and help or move to another country.The system we have is all that we have. Because you think you have a better idea for politicians isn’t going to help now. Either use the system that we have and get out and help or get the fuck out.
PhRMA has another scam going.
Price discrimination.
Every PhRMA ad I see on TV ends with: if you can’t afford your script, maybe [insert name of corp thief here] can help.
Apparently you need to fill out some sort of form revealing your income. Maybe even send copy of your income tax. They don’t specify, just provide a phone number.
The economics principle of price discrimination is to charge a higher price for those who can afford it & a lower price for those who can’t, thus capturing a larger share under the supply curve than if you simply charged the market clearing price (LOL on that too) where the supply & demand curves cross.
Same thing that colleges do. Call it ‘scholarships.’ If I were prez of Harvard, I’d immediate raise tuition to $1 billion/year. Harvard is not taking advantage of charging the super rich as much as they can afford to pay, so make ‘em submit their tax forms.
Well, of course, Harvard has to weigh raking off everyone in annual tuitions vs long term benefits of donations from wealthy alums. So maybe $1 billion annual tuition would be too blatant. But they are clearly charging wealthy students less than they would be willing to pay.
Meanwhile, Ben Stein has been doing the rounds to argue that protesters are just dropping their feces on the ground when, he says, they should be looking for evidence of illegal activity and reporting it to the authorities.
Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
Stein, do you really think that seeking legal remedies is the answer to all the corruption and abuse?
The problem isn’t that prosecutors lack sufficient evidence. The problem is that there’s no political will to prosecute them.
That’s what the protests are about. Our political leaders are failing the people of this country.
Yeah. She’s just shown up in the last couple of days. C&P her rant, then runs.
A determined god-botherer.
Who they say they favor in a poll and whether they turn out to vote are two different things.
You have time & stomach to keep track of what Ben Stein sez?!
Glenzilla’s been the most articulate about what OWS is about. Short version: total system failure.
The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats wave blue banners and have a kicking donkey on their party logo. Otherwise, there’s no longer any difference.
Ben Stein seems to be all over in the last couple of days. Wasn’t trying to follow him. The MSM kept putting him in my face.
Actually, Jeffrey Sachs articulated the point of the OWS movement extremely well last weekend on CNN’s GPS (and did a good job dealing with the bs coming out of Niall Ferguson).
Watch the first three minutes and then from 4:13-4:56 of this video.
Btw, Ferguson’s an asshole. His nonsense beginning at 4:56 about the lack of social mobility being the problem is so dishonest. Sachs was describing exactly why there is no longer any social mobility.
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We all know you worship Ben Stein, and stalk him in your spare time. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? ;-)
Sachs is also an asshole. A public intellectual gadfly looking for any position to take to keep himself in the limelight.
Doesn’t everyone worship Ben Stein?
Not.
WTF? Only 57% of “poor” people think that government isn’t doing enough to help them?
Bullshit.
I wanna know what the definition of “poor” here is, and just how they were polled. Does “poor” include people making just less than $250,000 per year?
Perhaps. But he did do a great job last weekend on one of the Sunday morning talk shows articulating why we have the problems that we do have in this country and articulating the point of the OWS protests. If you look at the video, I think you’d agree.
Emilano Zapata !
Actually, it’s households making more than $250,000/year. Those are the income category that feels both most put upon by govt and making less money than they deserve, thus poor.
spot on -
being populist seems to be the post Reagan conservative blue smoke and mirrors effort at election victory.
In Greece the Conservatives that take power tomorrow speak a populist program as they promise to cut taxes on the rich and corporate – the tax cuts they say will produce enough growth and new taxes that austerity can be dropped and indeed pensions and wages increase with hairdressers retiring at more than $48,000 a year at an age of 50 (or less – although I have not heard any younger age proposed by the Conservatives – yet).
Reagan taught that constant assertion of a Dem point but with a conservative punchline wins – and Rove teaches attack the other persons strength by getting lies into the media – since the confusion and doubt means the other guy no longer has that strength – as with Kerry and the Swift boaters.
OWS per Fox hates government interference in our lives! – got to admire the game plan.
Nah, I’m sure that they sent teams of pollsters out into parks, alleys and doorways where the “slackers” tend to congregate. (purely by choice, btw)
Poor includes lots of wing nuts who oppose anything government does.
(Even though they’re on SS and Medicare.)
Stopped clocks get it right 2X/day.
He was once on Leonard Lopate on wnyc. I emailed a Q to the effect that does he feel no shame for the total economic disaster he caused in Russia, a subject he was quite sure of and very outspoken about when Soviet Union broke up. Lopate moderated my language and asked the Q. Sachs, normally articulate in expressing his current views, didn’t expect to be held accountable for past actions (sound familiar?) and really mumbled around with a whole bunch of weak excuses.
Thanks for the explanation. WHY they are doing it, while interesting, only tangentially touches on the fact THAT they’re doing it. Generally speaking, I don’t care WHY somebody is robbing me, just that they are.
The rich are NOT the problem, Obama is. We gave Obama the Presidency AND we gave him control of the Senate AND the House. The Polls clearly showed that the majority of Americans supported the Dorgan Amendment allowing Drug reimportation. It was Obama who made sure it never came up for a vote. It was a lot easier for Obama to say the votes weren’t there than it would have been for Congress to explain their vote on this VERY important amendmment. Obama is the WORST Democratic President ever. I don’t care who runs against him, I’m voting AGAINST Obama!
In the case of price discrimination, I think you need to know why in order to understand that. As the analogy with college scholarships points out, price discrimination is most often advertized as being generous to the recipients, while ripping them off. Thus one of the more sophisticated forms of robbery.
The rich own O. They are not separable.
Jon Walker, HUH? “When Wall Street collapsed the economy they got bailed out with billions of government dollars ….” The word is TRILLIONS, not Billions.
sadly, it has not gotton bad enough for the 55% of people in this countr to overcome the media frenzie that protest and change is badddddddd,
its going to take some serious action to get change going,,when theur is no beer or football on tv,,the time has come for chsnge,,,just sayin
They ARE separate. We can kick Obama out of office, we can do nothing to even slightly inconvenience the rich.
The ONLY option voters have in 2012 is to vote AGAINST EVERY Incumbent, both Parties, seeking reelection – every stinking one of them!
O is just the current occupant of the OO in favor of the rich. Doesn’t matter if we vote him off, next occupant will be owned by rich.
So substitute prez for O if you wish to be a stickler.
That graph really says it all.
Except for the fact the Dems pretend they are are on side. That makes them worse, in my book.
Much as I sometimes hate to admit it, I currently live in San Antonio, Texas so Hispanics and Catholics are heavily represented of course. There are also other people ranging from the most liberal, (yours truly of course), all the way to card carryin’, history revising, science denying teabaggers from Hell and every one who I have talked to are supportive of the OWS movement. There are some disputes about who is responsible for the current mess but the sentiment against big money is there to a degree I’ve never seen before.
99% system failure, a feature not a bug.
That’s really good news. People actually getting it is the first step.
Yep, there’s a lot of unity. I won’t say there is or will be an alliance but there doesn’t have to be for there to be unity.
Here’s the section of the poll that you progs should shudder at. Your feared Catfood Commission better not see this factoid from Pew:
“In keeping with their support for major changes, the vast majority of Millennials back proposals that involve some degree of privatization of Social Security and Medicare”
That s right, fire baggers. Even most of the 99% agree that entitlements are not sustainable and thatbthenprograms must be changed. Not “raise the contribution limits above $106k. Not “means testing” or limit what “the rich” get out of a program they help fund. Nope, privatization!!!
LOL.
Why do you hate to admit there are a lot of Hispanics and Catholics in your state? Are you a racist?
Her hating to admit was about living in San Antonio, Texas. Besides having comprehension problems, are you a troll?
The night shift trolls are here.
Lame attempt troll. Shoo fly, shoo.
No I’m not. So she is ashamed to live in San Antonio? Why is the fact that there are Hispanics and Catholics there relevant? Is that some sort of “oh well, of course since I live in freakin SAN ANTONIO, there are Hispanics and Catholics crawling all over the joint” stereotype?
You know, I live in the INNER CITY, so of course there are people of color all over the place. Much as I hate to admit it.
Got a link for that claim or did you just pull it put of your ass?
I was describing the variety of people I’m routinely in contact with, genius.
OK, so you are a troll with comprehension problems that knows where the caps key is. Big whoop.
“Children”? They polled “children”? What ages?
Well, probably more informed [particularly if they watch Sesame Street] than Tea Partiers.
That is a sad story. I think Jon also did a few posts on what medical procedures cost in this country compared to others. Depressing to say the least. I doubt the cost can really be taken out here given the for profit system we have. (maybe but I doubt it.)The only real hope is something like the public option and tight regulation. Small chance of either.
Meanwhile, I think we are tracking along with 46 million in povery, 50 million with no health insurance and 25 million not working full time. But the Kochs, shit they’re happy.
If they were “Millennials”, we can assume they were all eleven or under. What a well informed group to ask!
Wow. Hispanics AND Catholics in the same town? I hope they have different neighborhoods and all.
Nope, generally speaking, Hispanics tend to be heavily Catholic. Once again, pretty lame. Still waiting for that link to a poll of eleven year olds on SSI.
You don’t know who you’re fooling with when you take on Margaret. Be careful or you might get roasted.
Hey Einstein, it’s the same Pew poll that supports this whole post’s assertions. And by the way:
“Generation Y, also known as the Millennial Generation (or Millennials),[1][2] Generation Next,[3] Net Generation,[4] Echo Boomers,[5], describes the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when the Millennial generation starts and ends, and commentators have used birth dates ranging somewhere from the mid-1970s[6] to the mid 1990s”
From Wikipedia. You can look it up on ther intertubes yerself.
First, millenials are not the majority of the 99%. Secondly, most people will understand that if you give that money to Wall Street, they will lose it. But, I do agree that Wall Street wants the money.
You are now deliberately trying to be a pain in the ass. Go play elsewhere.
I’m sure he is afraid that some geriatric numbskull with a twitchy urethra is going to stop bitching about Hispanics and Catholics to track him down and berate him for his reading comprehension deficiencies.
You have to wonder about someone who gets fulfillment out of deliberately being an asshole.
I was asking after a link to the poll you cited. I didn’t make a claim and then fail to back it up.
Moderators, I really must insist that this user be cautioned against personal insults and name calling.
Government Does Too Little to Help Regular People
King in Parliament (see George III) too enthralled by riches and imperial trade.
Hmm! Something smacks strongly of something.
But this time it’s incestuous.
Yes, that was an offensive comment. I agree with you.
Yes, the best policy would be to ignore them but that does become difficult at times.
I just went through the same kind of thing. I had an ear infection. I went to the doctor and he insisted on giving me a hearing test in a little booth with a technician. I kept saying I really don’t want this test, I mean I have an ear infection and yes I can’t hear well right now but what are you measuring? The ear infection? Just give me some antibiotics and Im out of here. I kept asking how much is the test? They refused to answer. I found out later they didn’t answer because they charge different prices for different people depending on their insurance and how much they can get.
Anyway, I got some drops that were worthless and cost $80 for a bottle smaller than a baby’s thumb and it only had less than 15 drops in it. The meds didn’t work one bit. I go back for my follow up and they give me the damn hearing test again.
Anyway, cut to the chase. The ear infection cost me over $700 including the $80 useless drops. As anyone knows an ear infection is no big deal and in the past you got some cheap antibiotics and it ended up costing you maybe $50 or so bucks. Now I know, I am on my own for anything even something as minor as an ear infection. At the same time it is illegal for me to get medicine except through the for-profit health care mafia. People are dying out here from tooth aches and trivial infections , etc. so a handful of people can be richer than gods.
The international elite controlled royalty running the US government of immoral inhumane inbred cretins and we need to get rid them forever. These people are born into these positions and nothing they do is every held against them. No matter how poor they do their job or how many people suffer and die so they can be coddled like indifferent spoiled incompetent toddlers.
That’s a valid point. Often lost in this conversation are the corrupted and greedy health care people. Far too many of them these days are eager to treat a symptom rather than the cause. Hey, if you actually cure somebody, they won’t keep coming back! It’s only economical, right?
/happytosharebutdamn
I do know how they charge different amounts. I know two people who had similiar heart conditions. They both received bill in excess of 40k. The insurance for one paid 16k and that was the end of it. The other person had no insurance. So that person had to sign an agreement and is still paying for it at the full 40k plus amount.
The health insurance industry gets subsidized every time the uninsured pays the inflated full price instead of the sweet deal the insurance companies negotiate.
The “have nots” subsidizing the “haves” is the American way.
What’s to wonder? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
He referred to the Pew poll that forms the basis of this post. I read the exact same thing. The author of this post is cherry-picking parts of the poll to support this thesis and totally missing that the younger generations polled are hugely in favor of restructuring SS and Medicare.
Didn’t you insult Catholics and Hispanics and also sarcastically call him “genius” first?
The paper does say that younger generations favor privatizing parts of SS and private health insurance. It also says that all generations think we should do more for the elderly, that the govt is shortchanging them. (see Jons pictorial above) Those are somewhat contradictory as most do not like Obamacare (or so I’ve heard, including Ryan’s voucher plan) which would sell private insurance and OWS suggests most do not trust Wall Street. So, I suggest that poll can be changed with education. It is not solid support for privatizing anything in my view.
Stop already. It is offensive. Margaret never insulted an ethnic or religious group in all her posts as I can recall.
Then neither is it support for this posts assertions, is it? You can’t say it’s inconsistent in its findings and then say ” oh, but this part is exactly proof of what we have been saying”
The key point is that elections do nothing to change that.
No more talk about “issues”; the only issue is a new electoral system.