It was clear from the inception of the deficit reduction Super Committee that it was designed for the purpose of cutting entitlements, especially Social Security benefits. The Super Committee proposal was given the same protection from a filibuster as debate on a reconciliation bill, but the Super Committee proposal is not subject to the same Byrd Rule (PDF) that prevents the Senate from using reconciliation to fast track Social Security cuts. The procedural rules governing the Super Committee couldn’t have been more purposely designed to make cutting Social Security as easy as procedurally possible.
So the latest report confirming that the members of the Super Committee are actively trying to cut your Social Security benefits isn’t surprising. From Politico:
As a critical deadline for the supercommittee nears, Social Security appears to be on the negotiating table.
In private conversations, and now in public, the idea of changing the social program as part of a deficit-reduction deal is gaining some traction — a move that has been politically unthinkable for years.
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This is on top of proposals inside the panel. Last week saw a slew of plans put forth by Democrats and Republicans on the supercommittee. Democrats unveiled a plan that would cut the deficit by roughly $3 trillion, which was declared not “serious” by Republicans because of $1.3 trillion in new tax-based revenue — their plan did include changes to Social Security. Republicans rolled out a $2.2 trillion plan, which generates $640 billion in nontax revenue. Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) have discussed a $1.2 trillion plan, and changes to Social Security alongside it could show they are reaching for a broader scope.
The main Social Security change being discussed is switching to the “Chained-CPI,” which would change the annual cost of living adjustment to an index that would tend to rise more slowly than the current index. This would result in a small benefit cut every year, but over time the difference would be compounded into a significant reduction in benefits.
The Democrats on the Super Committee want to significantly cut your Social Security and have offered to do it. The only thing really protecting your Social Security benefits from cuts right now is the Republican unwillingness to reach a deal that includes explicit tax increases.
There should be no doubt that your Social Security is in serious danger right now. It has been in serious danger ever since the Super Committee was purposely created in such away to make it easier to cut the program.
More from David Dayen’s coverage:
“Of course, members of Congress won’t really have to worry about their benefits getting cut. That’s because they’re mostly fabulously wealthy and won’t be burdened as much as the other 99% by a more meager Social Security check every month.
Members of Congress had a collective net worth of more than $2 billion in 2010, a nearly 25 percent increase over the 2008 total, according to a Roll Call analysis of Members’ financial disclosure forms.
Nearly 90 percent of that increase is concentrated in the 50 richest Members of Congress.
“Even among Congress, income inequality rules, and the ultra-rich get all the benefits.”




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It’s obvious that these motherfuckers think that the OWS protest is directed somewhere else. The citizens are getting angrier and angrier.
If I said what I wanted to, the Secret Service would be on my door within hours.
Wow they really think they can shit on the people and suffer no blowback. i guess we will see if their thinking is correct, they do after all control the police state we live in
Super Committee = Death Panel.
Those who rely on the social safety net for their means of existence to include the elderly and children are now being asked to sacrifice literally their meals so that the wealthy don’t have to pay higher taxes and the American Empire can continue to expand. What a sad country with deplorable priorities.
There need to primary challengers to each committee member yesterday. I don’t care what letter they have after their name.
But vote for Democrats or the scary booga-booga republicans will make things just awful!
I’m disgusted that my senior Senator (a putative democrat) is actually facilitating this travesty. Or do I mean tragedy?
Oh, and my spineless Congressman voted to create the Super Congress, and is now leaving the House to run for Governor.
Key-rist. Both Washingtons are soooo screwed.
No need to verbalize it. We can read your mind.
The raison d’etre of the Obama adminstration: Making the “politically unthinkable” possible.
Well, after all, one of our libertarian sock puppet trolls was commenting the other day how Soc Sec was “bad” for you, and that Seniors would be “better off” without it.
Of course, said Kochsucker didn’t elaborate on how that plays out. But apparently some citizens – I believe they call themselves the 53% – are eminently & eagerly *willing* to be sh*t upon constantly.
Makes no sense to me, but I think it’s what happens when you’re an inveterate Dittohead or something.
As for the rest of the 99%? I think some are awakening to how very badly we are being sh*t upon by these oinking sh*ts.
#OWS!
After they gut SS, Medicare will be next. Obomba’s ACA provides the perfect exit – require seniors to buy pvt. health insurance just like everybody else. You just knew this was Obomba’s the plan all along.
How does O or the GOP for that matter plan to win the election if they pass this?
Billions for war, billions for banks paid for by my, our SS money do they want a revolt?
I suspect this is the defining question of the next ten years or so. How far can the power imbalanced be pushed?
Super Committee, a group of legislators who represent the will of the oligarchy. A bunch of independently wealthy aristocrats whose sole purpose now is to inflict pain on the 99 percent. Quite a legacy the Enabler is leaving behind.
“But apparently some citizens – I believe they call themselves the 53% – are eminently & eagerly *willing* to be sh*t upon constantly.”
Daddy always knows best. If I get a spanking, I deserve it and it is only for my own good.
Any bets they will respond to public outcry over SS cuts by promising to invest part or all of SS in the stock market to get better returns.
They will use public outcry over SS cuts to justify putting SS money in the stock market. They will of course borrow on margin to the max ahead of this news by stocks and sell them to us.
I hope O doesn’t win reelection…but he will. The R’s know how to boom bust the economy from a couple centuries of experience. Always have a D in office during the crash to blame everything on (Carter, O ) then time for blowing the next bubble.
It is tough to say in a respectful way just how much I loathe all these people.
I believe this was asked after the SuperDupper Committee was formed by our otherwise totally ineffective, inbred, inbed congress passed another buck, but what are the Constitutional/legal basic for the committee and can any output be effectively challenged?
We have met the enemy and we be fucked.
“As for the rest of the 99%? I think some are awakening to how very badly we are being sh*t upon by these oinking sh*ts.”
The question is, will their declining material conditions result in such an awakening or will the ideology and emotions of the collective national bedtime story throw trump? The reactionaries at the top are pushing hard for the latter.
I do hate Blue Dogs.
Maybe OWS can occupy the Super Committee just protest outside their homes:)
“How does O or the GOP for that matter plan to win the election if they pass this?”
Same as always. By having the TV tell us what to think.
Yes, yes, and yes.
Which is why I shudder when citizens blithely say: “Oh NOTHING will happen to Medicare! It will ALWAYS be there….”
Uh, not really, esp if YOU don’t *pay any attention & frickin trust a bunch of OINKING sh*t$ to look out for serfs like you.* Good luck with that.
Well, yes, tv, but don’t forget: a) voter suppression, b) vote fixing, c) DIEBOLD!
Whomever the 1% want to “occupy” the WH is the “human” who will “win” in 2012. Don’t really matter how the serfs vote, frankly.
The EU is in trouble heck the world banking system is in trouble they need our SS cash to bail them out again.
I doubt even that would be enough but frantic, panicked even actions like this attempt to steal our SS money suggest the economy is worse than we thought.
I expect more bad banking news after the New Year.
Less and Less people watch tv new or read Main Stream Media news:)
Vote fixing Diebold I can agree on that but we are getting with high unemployment dangerously near revolt cut SS money and we get that much closer.
The O-bots say we must vote Dem because the Dems are better than the alternative. What they mean is that the Dems are better at being the alternative than the alternative could hope to be.
Let it roll…
Sadly, I think things have to get a tad worse to awaken more citizens out of their collective stupors… then we’ll see.
Indeed. I appreciate that you put human in quotation marks. I like it better than my standard phrase: flickering visage.
But the savings will make US Treasury Notes more attractive and therefore keep the prices of schmattas at Wal*Mart low. Plus future retirees won’t have to replace expensive energy-sucking incandescent light bulbs. Also, the future SS cohorts won’t smoke, and you know how costly smoking can be — to everyone. Scratch trans fats, and all you need to worry about is the HFCS. Expect sunglasses to become very costly as the future looks so bright.
Other than being grateful for not being exposed to Grifter Palin’s nails-on-chalkboard word salad ramblings as VP, I fail to see one perceivable difference between having O as POTUS or McCain as POTUS… or frankly, as having W as POTUS.
That’s why I frankly don’t give a d*mn who “wins” in 2012. It’ll just be another figurehead “managed” by the PTB… Dick Cheney & Henry Kissinger are more powerful and calling a lot of the shots, frankly.
Sadly I am sure the banks will fuck up the economy more so it will happen:(
“There should be no doubt that your Social Security is in serious danger right now. It has been in serious danger ever since the Super Committee was purposely created in such away to make it easier to cut the program.” – may I add, since Obama proposed cuts to SS in his Grand Bargain.
True. It is a positive development that media has gotten less authoritarian in the last couple of decades.
Yes, but I also put “human” in quotes bc, at the end of the day, it’s the non-flesh-and-blood corporation-”humans” who are calling the shots, is it not?? The “human” in the WH is simply a ghoulish marionette…. run by non-”human” zombie Dick Cheney… he of the PIG heart, no less…. OINK OINK OINK…
Sure thing! Get your sabbots ready!
The Super Committee is the perfect of example of how the accumulation of wealth can create such a moral vacuum in people that its very members have no clue of the unrivaled suffering they will unleash if their recommendations are put into action.
“The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor” —Voltaire
“You take my life when you do take the means whereby I live” — William Shakespeare
Sandals:) but yes I am thinking a revolt will happen soon.
Eh? the obscenely wealthy simply don’t give a sh*t about the purported comfort or otherwise of the serfs. The reality for serfs simply doesn’t intrude on the reality of the 1%, and they don’t give one d*mn what happens to anyone but their own selfishly sociopathic narcisstic selves.
The chained-CPI is genius on their part. Pure genius.
Remember, pure evil, but not stupid.
Chained-CPI is the slow-boiling water. The frogs, ie. seniors, will just be a little uncomfortable. Then a little more. And a little more. But not enough to pose a reaction from the propagandized populace.
Even now, the populace screams USA, USA, USA!
The seniors won’t even see it coming. Most already don’t. Most of the populace will consider this a “common sense” approach to deal with the “deficit problems”. Fox will say so. And NBC, Maddow, O’Donnell, etc … will agree or just not cover it.
And of course the end game … SS gets privatized.
Remember evil, not stupid.
Ooops, mispelled sabot… which was an object used to start the French Revolution…
It may be time for the next logical step in the evolution of the two-dimensional figurehead that is the US president: CGI. Plug in the appropriate factors based on market research and project him on the screen.
Fuckin’ criminals.
My comment was supposed to convey that the Dems, while trying to frighten people with the Repub bogeyman, are in reality being more successful at doing Repub things than the Repubs. So much for trying to be clever with words, lol.
As far as Palin is concerned, I can listen to her and walk away with blood pressure intact. Obetrayer is a different story. I can’t stomach listening to him.
As to the next election, my conscience won’t let me vote Dem or Repub. It’s third party for me, let the chips fall where they may.
So there’s a 2.6 trillion dollar trust fund but it doesn’t count for much?? Surprises, surprises. That fund is really just for Wall Street to toy around with and earn lots of money. I’m just waiting for Pres Romney and his thug congress get it done. Truth is, the fund always was worthless. You don’t need a fund to pay benefits, not even a fucking nickel. You just pay it. The feds can pay ANY debt in the dollar. I mean they are not like you and me. They make money, we don’t. Sounds silly but its true.
The Point is that the super rich got rich and stay rich generation after generation by not allowing collective behavior. It is them or us.
The anger out there is going to continue to build for the forseeable future. If we are fortunate, a new leader and party will emerge. Or not.
WHY is Dean Baker the ONLY one to speak the obvious, that returning Military spending to its 3% growth path of the year 2000 would net us $2.6 TRILLION over the next decade? Why aren’t FDL & every other site who (supposedly) focus on speaking truth to power screaming for this obvious alternative to chopping social security? Why is no one writing that it’s time to vote out EVERY Incumbent who seeks reelection?
STARTING WITH OBAMA !@#$%^&*
Well, you are. that’s a start.
If the politicians are successful in coming up with a scheme to avoid social security ever having to cash in any of its treasuries to cover its obligations (literally stealing social security’s investment of its past surpluses), when will they start working on the scheme to avoid ever allowing any other investor of treasuries to cash them in? Seems to me if it can be done with social security, why stop there? Hell, why not go after children’s savings bonds as well that their grandparents bought anticipating they would use for their education?
Fer gawd’s sake. Where was social security supposed to “invest” their surpluses to keep them safe other than US Treasuries which have always been touted as the safest investment in the world?
I think “serious” media would want to start every interview, every discussion, every article asking the same question: Why won’t the President and Congress start all budget discussions addressing the point that returning Military spending to the 3% growth path of the year 2000 would net us $2.6 TRILLION over the next decade?
Kerry isn’t considered a Blue Dog. We need to deal with the reality. The “Democratic Party” is also the money party. There is no party for the majority of us. There is no representation. It’s a rigged game.
I haven’t had time to read the other comments and possible replies to you, but you have summed up this useless -to us- ‘leader’ very succinctly. I admire your summation and pronounce him guilty.
there may not be much anyone can do in the short term but midterm and long term all of the members of this BS committee should be targeted as we should support independant, green or socialist candidates…short term target Obama at this point I really don’t care if Romney gets elected or not as Obama lied to us and will not stand up for us then why do we need him? Why do we need any Dem?
Obama created this super committee when he could get any thing passed with other Simpson Bowles theft committee..IMO Obama should be the first to feel the wrath even if Cain gets in…my finger is pointed at him!
What’s the difference between the two parties again? Yeah, I can’t think of a fucking thing.
The GOP may, in fact, save Social Security by refusing to give Obama his “grand bargain” just because they hate his guts (and they won’t raise taxes on the rich).
Difference is a rich R sees poor people and says FU and a rich D sees poor people and says “Oh what a shame, someone should do something about this” (this being the fact that they have to see poor people)
Eisenhower warned against the MIC and he was RIGHT. They are killing the “goose that laid the golden egg”, the American people, and especially the midle class.
The PTB had better wake up before they leave us no choice but revolt. One would think the cyrrent state of affairs would enlighten some, probably not all, but some of the masters of the universe.
I am not interested in voting for any of these whacko rethugs and I am certainly not going to vote for a 0 for pres. I am with the repugs in hoping that 0 is a one-term pres. In spite of how poorly the rethugs looked in 2008, it may be the dims that will be reaching the end of their run as a viable political party. Unless things change, I won’t support them again.
Dude, I don’t think anybody has put it so succinctly as you did there. Simple, accurate, and to the point.
The mistake was in thinking the treauries were like a lock box. They are not, never were. They are just tax money that were used for other reasons. Now the money is gone.
One difference is that, like Bush, McCain wouldn’t have been able to get the three new NAFTAs past the Dems in congress. Obama did.
They tinker with Social Security at their peril.
It’s a pity they aren’t smart enough to realize that OWS has made no demands of them because we 99% have finally awakened to the fact that no meaningful change can come from them.
Consider OWS to be a withdrawal of consent to be governed by them. What happens now is entirely up to us.
IMO we need to change the talking points from the merits of every issue like SSMM to one of why do we need to cut anything? We have to stop buying into the idea that the deficit is unsustainable or we are going bankrupt. Those are lies. That is what we should attack. At what point will they come and repossess our government? When is debt too much and how will you know? Will the government’s computers suddenly stop working so that they can no longer transfer money? Will we run out of money? How will someone steal our computers and printing presses? Here is the truth: the feds can pay any debt denominated in US dollars forever. You and I cannot. But they can.
and that was what we got when we voted for the judas trojan wolf dressed as a sheep
man o man we need the zero out of office as fast as possible, this is getting much worse then we can imagine, even when considering it’s already worse then we could imagine
(I stole that)
Another reason to vote for a GOP president.
We do need him out but guess what? After him you get Romney and maybe a thug majority in congress. OWS may be the only way out.
Yeah.
John Kerry is that famous Massachusetts “liberal” who ran against W. I wouldn’t spit on the bastard now. Before he ran for president, I had some respect for the guy (His stupidity in responding to various scurrilous attacks ended that.) But at least I still thought his heart was in the right place, sort of.
If there is a single member of congress worthy of respect, I couldn’t name that person. And if you mention any of the famous “progressives” I can show you votes where they sold us out.
OWS is the only way out; there’s no maybe to it.
I think romney does less damage, I think we mount a far more effective defense and it sets the stage for some real progressive election candidates
if romney gets the nod I am actually going to campaign for the mormon
I just wonder if they are going to ban coffee in the campaign office
Obama, with the complicity of the Dems, is Romney on steroids and we already have a “thug” majority.
Don’t get distracted by the “D” or the “R” by the name.
The difference is that a Democrat can get right wing sh** passed – like the three new NAFTAs and Bob Dole’s health care plan/answer to Hillarycare that no Republican could.
It’s clear we have no defense now, so I’m having a problem arguing against your point here.
this is bullsh*t:
“[Social Security]has been in serious danger ever since the Super Committee was purposely created in such away to make it easier to cut the program.”
it should read:
[Social Security] has been in serious danger ever since obama was elected POTUS.
no republican could ever have engineered Social Security cuts like obama is.
Don’t count on it. Won’t happen.
That was the meme re Bush’s three trade bills that Obama just got passed.
anybody that thinks obama and the Vichy Democrats are going to hold out for taxes on the rich and miss the opportunity to steal your social security is a fool.
Taxes on the rich are all part of the obama/dem kabuki to fool, fools into thinking they had no choice to gut social programs without tax increases. The spineless wonders aren’t even honest enough to admit they’re goal is gutting the social safety net. But like before with the bush tax cuts cave, AND throwing in estate tax reductions republicans didn’t even ask for, AND stealing payroll taxes, as sure as the sun comes up, obama will gut social security without even getting tax increases on the plutocrats.
Why do we have to wait for that?
General Strike.
Those words truly do strike terror even in their black hearts.
We are the people that make the 1%ers’ world possible.
It’s beyond time to remind them of that.
General Strike NOW.
SHUT IT DOWN.
It looks like that is where OWS is trending. Let’s hope.
Very well said.
do you think I will be allowed coffee in the campaign office?
if so, maybe they will also allow multiple wifeage…oh wait, i don’t even have one wife
well, I’ll settle for the coffee then
do they ban tea too or just coffee?
Well, I would hold out for the coffee. I don’t know if that is banned but Mittens doesn’t have a lot of scruples, so he’ll cave on this one, I suspect.
That is simply not true. Soc security surpluses were invested in treasuries just like any other investor (China for instance) invests money in treasuries. They were invested there to earn interest on money that was not needed until the future. Those investments are then used by the government to fund spending. But, those investments are owed back to social security when the program needs to cash them in just as investments are owed back to any investor when they choose to cash in their treasuries. The government doesn’t have a “choice” here. They can’t tell China, sorry, we don’t feel like paying your notes now, you can’t cash them in. Well, they can’t tell that to social security either.
But, the government does have a way to stop social security from cashing in their notes. Soc security is only legally allowed to cash in their investments when their tax receipts fall short of current obligations. They have recently started cashing them in to cover the difference between receipts and expenses. If congress changes the benefits by cutting them, they can make current receipts cover current expenses thus stopping social security from cashing in any of its treasuries. If this is allowed to stand, they will set a precedent for absconding with all future social security surpluses that ever may exist just by continuing to invest the money in treasuries that are never cashed in.
Yes: and what’s more have Obots clap cheer and cry: HUZZAH! hurray for our dear Leader, who’s just doing the best he can!!! What’sa matta wid ya? Ya think the boooga boooga scary scary TeaGOP wouldn’t be miles WORSE??? O is our SAVIOR!!! He’s “tried” really hard. Why do you expect *miracles*??????? You haven’t given Saint O “enough time.” blah blah blah ad nauseum.
The politicians are playing with dynamite. It will blow up in their face.
you said
“The mistake was in thinking the treasuries were like a lock box. They are not, never were. They are just tax money that were used for other reasons. Now the money is gone.”
And, I should have included in my reply, that all the money invested by China or Japan or the Saudis or in Savings Bonds is now gone too. But, that doesn’t make those investments or the debt obligations invalid. And, the debt obligations to social security are just as valid as the debt obligations to any other investor.
“The spineless wonders aren’t even honest enough to admit . . .”
Their mantra is, “Don’t let them see us. Don’t tell them what we are doing.”
Few things indicate the absence of representative democracy in the US more clearly than the near unanimous unwillingness of elected officials to be honest with the citizenry about what is going on.
Well, we’ll see if his Good Cop con still has legs for another four years. I suspect it does.
Well, ok, the full faith and whatever of the US government. But they only have to pay out so much as the law says and that could be little or a lot. If congress decided to reduce your payments by half, try to cash them in. The bonds do not guarantee very much more than a talking point I suspect.
Now if they buy those bonds back from China, what happens next? Does the fed just go out and issue more debt so they can pay off the old bonds? It’s not like they have a bank account separate for the payment of bonds. So they may borrow from Peter to pay Paul? Same for SS. If they did have “extra” money maybe we could use if for stimulus or such?
it’s amazing onitgoes
I wonder if the line here will be “well, we might as well support the zero cause he will appoint better scotus”
I actually think he will be most brutal on the next scotus, now that he will be a lame duck he will be free to do even more damage and will not worry about repercussions
tons of trouble we are in, tons
Those debts are valid and the government can pay them off whenever those people want the money, if they want. They could do the same with SS but not if congress says no. And if they do, you have to ask where they get the money from? Issues of other bonds?
This after pretending fuel and food don’t count in inflation, when they are the biggest drivers for the retired.
I betting karl and barry have kicked back with a beer a couple of times since the “election’ on republican voting machines and had a good laugh at our expense.
karl, dick, pappy bush and jail house jack abhramoff are the mafia that run the country and o is doing his best to best his idol raygun as the ‘acting ” president.
It’s important for us to get the word out to as many diehard Democrats as possible rather than just stewing among ourselves. I had dinner with someone last night — a classic yellow-dog Democrat — who simply refuses to believe the Dems would have any part in this. I sent him several links today.
We gotta get the word out.
That is correct. They have to issue other bonds to pay off the bonds that are being cashed in. The same way they have to issue bonds to borrow money to pay for the Defense Department or for any other government program that goes on while we have a budget deficit. Why is it automatically assumed that social security is the last one in line to get funded? Maybe we should think of it as the Defense Department being the last in line for funding and we could then just blame defense for the entire budget deficit and stop blaming soc security, medicare and medicaid. It’s more logical to think of it that way anyway. By law, social security is a stand alone, self funded system. It doesn’t rely on tax receipts. It has its own funding mechanism called FICA taxes that can’t be used for anything but social security. Those current FICA receipts plus the 2.6 billion surplus held in treasuries will keep social security funded at 100% through 2036. With no changes it will still be able to pay 80% of its obligations after 2036. And. since it can’t legally get funding elsewhere, if there are no changes. there would have to be a 20% at that time. If congress needs to do anything to make sure funding stays at 100% past 2036, all that is needed is for them to remove the cap of FICA taxes. Currently FICA taxes are only paid on the first $108,000 of income. Just remove that cap and have FICA paid on 100% of income and social security will be completely funded for years and years and years…….
Of course, there is also the option of raising taxes in order to get rid of the budget deficit so that we could at least pay for all current expenses from current receipts and use the surplus to pay off the debt (which would be the same as paying off treasuries without having to issue new ones to do it).
Yes, but… Congress and zero are in process now to reduce SS and if they succeed, it won’t matter how much you have in bonds. You may have noticed they are using the meme that the system is “unsustainable”. The fact is simply this. We, as a democratic people, agree to pay SS benefits that is somewhere over the poverty level or we do not. Right now the debate is on about that and it really does not involve a fund. The payment of benefits has nothing to do with the fund. It has to do with congress and us. It is a great talking point I suppose but you can see, it does not have a powerful impact on the PTB. The govenement can pay any benefit (within reason) with or without a fund. The deficit is not a problem.
IN fact I believe the existence of that fund leads the thugs to think they should give it to wall street to manage. If they lose it, oh well, easy come easy go. My preference would be to do away with the fund. But now is not the time to talk about that. (the tax is regressive)
I have a love/hate relationship with those bonds. Mostly hate lately.
Primary challenges are absurdly insufficient. Much much stronger measures are required.
You are not required to respect Fascist ass holes.
I still love that description. *g*
you say “the tax is regressive”.
But, of course, the way to make the FICA tax non regressive is to remove the cap and pay FICA taxes on all income over $108,000 instead of just income under $108,000.
His arrogance, Mr. Bowles, tells us that the govement has simply made promises it can’t keep.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67335.html
He means won’t keep. If so, give me one reason I should ever trust either party as long as live on any issues or with one cent of taxes.
These arrogant clowns don’t have a clue what it really means to totally wipeout any vestige of trust Americans still have in their government.
If they won’t honor their promises to pay Social Security, why believe you can trust them to redeem that government bond or those coins in your pocket.
Bowles wants us to believe we cannot trust Congress? Bowles wants us to believe that no one should trust the US government? You got it fella.
Obama believes that the Republicans will lose more votes for allowing for spending increases than he will lose for “fixing” SS. This is why he will give it all away for chump change.
Obama, in his mind, wins if he can get the republicans to fold on revenue increases, regardless of the consequences to the elderly.
not quite, this is not about re-election it’s about redistribution of middle class treasure and giving it to the wealthy
obama believes he can force corporate agenda down the throats of democrats since he ran as a democrat and democrats don’t do that
he is NOT a democrat, liberal, progressive or any other term we once thought meant fights against corporate agenda
he IS working for the other team, he IS benedict arnold, he IS the trojan horse, he IS the wolf in sheep clothing, he IS the judas sheep
and most liberal blogs outside of this one defend this maggot, they CLAIM “he’s doing what he CAANNNNN, leave obama a LONNNNEEEEEE”
they are joining forces with the judas sheep and they are steering us to slaughter
obama knows it, the liberal blogs that don’t get it yet do not, there are authors on this very site, I hesitate mentioning by name because they aren’t here to defend themselves but they are here, on this very site who are STILL defending this maggot.
this is not about re election it IS about accomplishing the goals he was recruited to accomplish
think clarence thomas
Turnout. Turnout. Turnout. Unless voters overwhelmingly discipline these miscreants, the presumptive elites (of all parties) will continue more strongly than ever to trash the People. What bothers me is how they are so sure they can get away with such anti-democratic behaviors. What fortifies them? If it isn’t fear of non-participation in elections, what is the ace up their sleeves? What do they know we do not?
Amen, Otto.
I note again that, other than its brief initial public “organizational meeting” on September 8th, held to give opening statements and to formally adopt its (privately-negotiated) rules, the Joint Select Super Committee has not held a single public meeting to deliberate on the options before it. Not one public mark-up, or drafting session, has been held by this committee, with time now running out for the committee to act on any unamendable product that 7 of its 12 members may decide to try to shove through Congress next month. [As a related aside, I heard, in passing, a brief radio clip a day or two ago, from an interview of Matthew Yglesias of ThinkProgress.org, the Center for American Progress Action Fund, and The Atlantic, who was busy calmly excusing such committee secrecy by asserting that he could see no possible point or advantage in having the 12 powerful Super Committee members conduct (at least some, or most, of) their deliberative business in public. Yglesias, it appears, has the (unaccountable) government he deserves, even as he continues to try to foist the undemocratic, integrity-free dictates of his blinkered partisanship on the rest of us.]
Meanwhile, today the Super Committee held only its fourth (and probably its last) public “hearing” since it was established in August, featuring Simpson and Bowles of Simpson-Bowles, and Rivlin and Domenici of an earlier Bipartisan Commission deficit study. The witnesses at the Super Committee’s previous three hearings were only two men: The director of the Congressional Budget Office (who explicitly told the self-important members of the committee, in both hearings at which he was the sole witness, that any proposal that 7 committee members wish to adopt must be given to CBO by about now, 11/1, in order to be scored and accurately drafted before 11/23), and a staffer from the Joint Committee on Taxation.
[The testimony today made painfully, if predictably and disgracefully, clear that the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," as secretly drafted and championed by Barack Obama and his Congressional yes-men and women, utterly failed to address the urgent problem of soaring medical costs in this nation, and therefore the parallel explosion of Medicare/Medicaid costs with which the federal budget must contend. Rep. Becerra mentioned, but regrettably didn't pursue, the vital point that there is no way to meaningfully address/reduce the federal budget's Medicare/Medicaid costs in isolation from the overall societal costs of health care, without simply shifting those costs onto Medicare/Medicaid beneficiaries who are the least able to absorb them. Erskine Bowles, to his credit, explicitly cited, at least twice today, "single-payer" health care and a "robust public option" as two of the most promising potential solutions to the still-unaddressed, structural health care cost and quality problems in the nation as a whole.]
Apparently proposals are now being floated to extend the Super Committee’s life, in case it cannot or will not meet its 11/23 deadline to act. I don’t know how realistic or viable these proposals are, but evidently Rivlin & Domenici privately consulted with some ‘experts,’ who told them that Section 404 of the Budget Control Act is written broadly enough to allow the Super Committee to delegate the details of tax reform to the regular taxwriting committees in Congress, under the overall direction of the Super Committee, and even to allow those committees to subsequently ram their product, whatever it may be, through the rest of Congress next year using the same grossly-undemocratic process, barring all amendments and almost all debate (a total of two hours for the 435 members of the House, for example), that would apply to a Super Committee product this year. There’s also apparently talk of some sort of “resolution” that the Super Committee could propose to the House and Senate to extend its deadline for action – prospects unknown.
If we all said what we wanted to, the SS would be running for the bunkers with the toads they must protect.
He already has the Democrats lined up to cut SS, that it hasn’t happened yet indicates to me that they’re still are looking for something more.
Obama has gone all warm and fuzzy again and say he wouldn’t lower taxes on the rich on the backs of seniors. Didn’t he just extend the Bush tax cuts in Dec 2010?. Has anyone figured out this timeline because Im thinking he is just giving and taking the same tax cuts and sliding our SS into the hands of the one percent.
Appalachia; A History of Planned Poverty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b54t_bbmyXc
otto,
already been done, the movie THX 1138
Exactly. And ObamaCare is a poverty upon entry program like Welfare in which recipients are not eligible to own anything including their home. People will have to liquidate their homes to pay health care and or accept liens.
End results: Medical Health Care Insurance Industry owned and operated by Wall Street absorbing even more of America’s wealth and security.
Every time you turn around you see how Obama is serving Wall Street at our expense while he wraps himself in concern for the vulnerable.
Obama has done nothing but to destroy the strength of the Left and to diffuse and destroy all our efforts. I will never vote for him again. EVER. If I have to vote for Ron Paul I will. He may be a jackass but at least he’s not a slippery crook and liar.
perris,
There’s a beer in Utah (of all places) that’s called Polygamy Porter.
The tag lines are, ‘Why have just one. and Bring one home for the wives.”
It’s actually pretty good.
Why yes, I think I do.
But how well do they control the police, who consist of us, our relatives and neighbors?
I’ll answer that. Poorly.
“The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
–Joseph Stalin
They WANT non-participation in elections. And they have achieved it. There will be no real, positive change through the electoral process.
They know that Diebold will take care of them, whatever the voter turnout; voter suppression efforts are just smoke n mirrors.
Ha! Oh, yeah. :)
Wow. Thanks for the summation and links.
“. . . no possible point or advantage in having the 12 powerful Super Committee members conduct (at least some, or most, of) their deliberative business in public.”
None, indeed. Well, at least on this someone is being honest.
They know that the elections are rigged, that money trumps votes, and that the people represent no threat any longer. It is only obvious.
Worth repeating
I see him trading the next scotus pick away for some GOP promise.
These idiots on the super committee are aiding and abetting the financial terrorists in the largest heist in our nation’s history.
It’s simpler than that if you believe the cheerleaders, obama wins anything obama touches.
The days they take to do this, delaying what they have already decided dulls the sharpness of the inevitable decision. I’m not certain, it’s just what I am thinking at the moment. We are being played.
that has more explanatory power than anything I’ve seen. They can’t get China off their back, too much leverage what with having the keys to our industrial base on top of our treasuries.
Here’s the thing: who will primary Obama? And why aren’t any Democrats — I mean any of them — making any noise about the implications here?
Because NOW would be the time for any Dem to state openly the need to primary Obama and everyone on the Super Committee to boot. Don’t get me wrong: I don’t expect the long-gone sold-out contingent — Hoyer, Kerry, Pelosi — to say word one. I don’t expect David Obey or even Feingold to do more than murmur in their soup.
But where’s Howard Dean? Where’s Al Franken?
This’ll have to come from younger leaders — but it’ll require some folks with name recognition, young electeds with shorter resumes — to spell out a set of non-negotiable items as counterpoint to the unstated agenda of OWS. If people in the middle dont’ pick up the slack, but fast . . ..
ALL the Dems are useless and whipped.
If you take money from old people, with no job and no way to increase their income and they despair and grow angry, and have nothing more to live for, … very very bad things can happen.