Pay close attention the language House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi chooses to use regarding reports that Democrats on the Super Committee have offered to cut Medicare benefits. From Politico:
Pelosi said she’s reserving judgment until she sees the package, but indicated that she wouldn’t like cuts to health and retirement benefits without tax increases.
“It’s not fair to say to a senior, ‘You’re going to pay more for Social Security and we’re not going to touch a hair on the head of the wealthiest people in our country,’ ” she said Thursday. “It’s not fair to say to that senior, ‘By the way, that increased premium that you’re paying is now going to be considered revenue.’”
She added: “Let’s just see a package. Let’s not again exclude anything.”
While she said it won’t be fair to cut benefits without raising taxes on the rich, she is clearly implying that if we modestly raise taxes on the wealthy, it would be acceptable to her to take Medicare and Social Security benefits away from seniors.
Saying “let’s not exclude anything” as part of answer to a question about cutting benefits is putting benefit cuts on the table.
Pelosi’s statement today, like the leak of the Super Committee Democrats’ proposal yesterday, is part of an extremely depressing pattern. It is the Democratic party slowly moving from defending entitlement programs to taking the official position that Medicare and Social Security should be cut.
If this is how the Democratic party leadership is choosing to rhetorically position itself in the weeks before the Super Committee is scheduled to release its plan, our social safety net is is real danger.



220 Comments








Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About FDL Action
Like George Lakoff said, “Democrats are constantly moving to the right.” Just taking it up the ass like they’ve always have done.
fuck the democratic party
fuck pelosi
fuck kerry and reid
fuck barack obama
they are all part of the 1% and they can all go to hell
no more support from me
all it will take is the tiniest fig leaf from the gop and the obamadems will go all in to destroy the social safety net
they must WANT a revolution
PeLousy revealed herself to be a sellout when she took Impeachment off the table back in 2006. There’s no surprise here.
p.s.
of course, there’s always plenty of money to do important things like prosecute and incarcerate people who smoke marijuana
bring the revolution on, this shit got to end
Democrats are just as owned as Republicans….Vote Green. Donate no money or time to their re-election….
Change I can’t believe in.
I’m with you brother!
It’s beginning to look as if revolution is our only choice.
I think I’m with ya’ dude. I’m looking for a “three-cornered” hat and a musket.
I’m a progressive, but somewhat of a traditionalist.
Are progressives willing to leave their parent’s basements long enough to take up arms?
No surprise. cut SS?MC in exchange for raising taxes on the wealthy I mean that seems fair. I love the way politicians have crafted the message so its cuts to the poor balanced by taxes on the wealthy. The argument is hogwash and should be dismantled. Spending cuts could come from creating a competitive not rigged health care system, from defending corporations around the world, from slashing the pay, benefits and expense accounts of congress, and so on. But here politicians are trying to frame the discussion to cutting SS in return for raising taxes
IMOsi:
Pelosi, pelosi pelosi
She’s just a bit precosi
She’s careful about halitosi
But of her own prescribosi
Me thinks she could use a dosi
Occupy FDL (HehH)
I wonder if they make the connection between the unwashed masses camping in public squares and their “grown up” policy decisions to cut the deficit.
With all the crap going on I think a story on “they must want a revolution” would be a huge hit.
How else can you explain why they have not prosecuted the bankers
why they are going after medical pot
why they have jailed manning with no trial
why they allow the police to beat up peaceful protestors
why they have done nothing about fraudclosure
why they have done nothing to create a fairer and cheaper health care system
why they have allowed the FED to operate in secret and control this country on behalf of the bankers
why they have allowed the banks to back its toxic crap with deposits
why they used lobbyist to advise the state department on keystone
why nobody from BP was charged with any criminal liability
and so on. Yes they must want a revolution the question is why?
maybe cindy will have enough left in her tank to try again. I really can’t see how good people with people policies in their platform can lose these days, unless of course the vote is not as important as who counts them.
Er, the 99% say let’s strengthen Social Security and give Medicare to everyone, freeze forclosures, get the government to hire the jobless, end the wars, and tax the the hell out of the rich. Duh.
If you vote Green, you vote for a party wholly subsidized by the Republican party.
When the Republican Party isn’t running homeless street people as “Green” Candidates. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/us/politics/07candidates.html
Both of Which Republicans do in a close race between a Dem and a Republican.
Now why would they do that, hmmmmmmmmmm?
If you like George W. Bush, thank the Green Party.
The Green Party: Electing Republicans for Over a Decade!
The Green Party: We Take Republican Bribes!
Just watch, asshole. You are a one-percenter just like Obama is, just like both faux political parties are.
And your time is coming to an end.
…”Spending cuts could come from creating a competitive not rigged health care system, from defending corporations around the world,”????
Singlepayer-osi, mswinkle.
That is, please refer to http://www.singlepayeraction.org.
Thank you very much.
We get it, trolling is your passion.
Yeah, the GOP loves Ralph Nader and Jill Stein. And the pimps of the status quo would never try to keep the American People from going outside the political duopoly.
Shall I assume “they” in your post is what’s referred to as the “1%”? (please clarify — seriously, no snark intended)
I concur with how it’s funded but I think someone stated that Al won but the high court said forget about it.
If you vote Dem, you’re voting against your interests.
I’m disinterested in Green, or either of the corporate duopoly.
If you like George W. Bush, thank the
Green Party.SCOTUS and rigged vote counting. What a load of BS not putting the blame where it belongs.Screw all the silly talk. Choose independence and OWS.
Occupy Pelosi’s office….ya know?
Passion with a limp dick. Must be rough.
James,
THIS progressive served in Vietnam next to a lot of other progressives.
Over the last 10 years, I’ve seen a LOT of pick-up truck, Republican, tea partiers, who would pee in their pants if they got within 25 miles of a hot zone.
——————-
All this article makes me think is, “How to lose another election” by A. Democrat.
Do they REALLY want to try to out do the Republicans?
They’re signalling that they’re willing to give away the store, while at the same time the ONLY thing from the Republicans is that they refuse to compromise on taxes.
Now if you were sitting around a poker table and this is what was on the table so far, which side would you expect to get more?
Idiots like that guy think they are really different than Obama and the DC Democrats because Rush Limbaugh tells them so. Meanwhile, Rush, Obama and the rest of the OnePercenters trundle away, their pockets stuffed with money, laughing their asses off at all the fools they trick into believing they are on the level.
please
the social safety net was in danger THE moment obama was elected
HE EVEN SAID SO HIMSELF, before he took office he let us know he PLANNED on going after the sucesfull programs we’ve invested
we NEED obama OUT of OFFICE as soon as possible and romney in office can happen none to fast for me
there is NO way a republican elected as one could have deconstructed our social net the way a republican elected as a democrat cold
now the cat is out of the bag, “a demcratic president” put it on the table and it will be there from now on
man this guy has done FAR more damage then bush, obama now falls in top three bad presidents and is above bush himself on that list
Nowadays:
Voting for a Regressive is like voting for Hitler.
Voting for a Vichycrat is like voting for Mussolini.
obama…doing more damage then any republican elected as one could dream
sorry, if the corporatist republican in office is going to be elected, we NEED him to represent REPUBLCIANS not democrats
puhleezee
obama is bush on steriods
Snarkster alert — where’s that flag, somebody??
I’ll 2nd that! The DINOS will just continue to sell out its own base non-stop. They think they’re so clever. They pretend to be defenders of the 99% but its all just a show to get re-elected. We see how they govern once securely in office.
all things considered, i think obama is the worst president ever
Yes and if you have the oppertunity to vote for her, don’t
That would be after they’d been pulled screaming from behind their mama’s skirt.
Mobile Riverine Force, 67-70.
You ask some VERY GOOD questions.
It is indeed puzzling.
Huh?
destroy
slashing
gutting
Panic much.
Most proposals call for stopping SS payments to the 1%. Thought you’d like that. I think Warren Buffett can live without his $1700/month check.
SS and M/M entitlement programs have been changed hundreds of times in the last 75 years. NP say’s let’s see, then we can panic.
The kind of passion that keeps one hand extra busy.
Marat we’re poor
And the Poor stay poor
Marat don’t make us wait anymore
We want our Rights
& We don’t care how
We want a Revolution Now!
. . .
The Revolution came & went
And unrest was replaced by discontent . . .
I’ll bet you were giggling when you typed that.
How many times do you need this explained?
Take the social out of it and it becomes a welfare program.
Let’s hear it, where’s your evidence that what we are seeing is more of that same? You declared it, so you have the burden of proof.
We’re not in the basement, are you in the closet? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. We also don’t need to take up arms.
Medicare and Medicaid haven’t been around for 75 years. Medicare is only 46 years old, 1965. I guarantee you that physicians who treat people like Buffet don’t take Medicare/Medicaid patients.
Agreed. Some folks hear revolution and all they can think of is taking up arms. It’s more than a lil sad, really.
No one should say Social Security is an Entitlement Program. You don’t PAY for entitlements. You pay for Annuities.
I nominate you for Poet Laureatosi. ;-)
I think pols are easy to explain. They take a poll of what the voters want, and then do the opposite.
Kinda like the way megastores are designed. They hold a contest for the architects, then after reviewing the drawings, they build the loser.
Yep, revolution is fundamental change to the socio-economic system. It need not involve violence.
Because they think they are invulnerable.
For the last 33 years my own earned money has paid for the roof over my head. And I currently have a parent living with me because they can’t afford to live alone.
I suspect you’re the one who can’t afford to move out of your parents’ basement. Grow up, or find a better line of bullshit.
IMO, we need fresh green Vulcan blood in Congress; out with the Ferengis.
How to do this? Urge the roughly 35% of eligible-yet-habitual U.S. nonvoters to vote for qualified Vulcans in this upcoming election season.
A belated thanks for all that you do, League of Women Voters and the VoteSmart project.
Estas son nuestras armas
The Democratic Party: We gladly take it up our supporters’ asses.
What part of “We have already been screwed enough” don’t these a–holes understand?
…Social Security is an Entitlement…
???
It’s up to the voters. The responsible decision in 2012 will be to VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT, BOTH PARTIES.
Pelosi has demonstrated her loyalty to Obama (and the party) repeatedly. She’s not going to oppose one of his major themes.
Heh — thanks, but don’t press your luck. You haven’t heard me on a bad night…
That’s “fuggedaboutit.” The Brooklyn will out. ;-)
Jammin’ lol.
. . . or is Ms Pelosis now into eleventy dimensional chess too? Not at all impressive.
You’ve been spending too much time fellating TBogg, methinks.
Obama put Medicare eligibility on the table and my vote came off the table.
I could not agree more……This country is so f–ked up
OBAMBI is completing the NWO Agenda, Bush took it as far as he could and then they brought in Mr Hope and Change
Allow millions across the borders every year (Taking Jobs, Medical)
Crackdown on Medical Pot
Allow Big Pharma do charge whatever they want ( No Public Option)
Allow millions of Jobs to be shipped offshore (Record profits for companies)
Allow Wall Street to continue stealing
Continue Bush War Agenda
Continue Bush Economic failed policies
Allow Millions to sleep in the streets
Infastructure in dire straights
Continue to squeez the middle class
Just a closing thought, has anyone else noticed that we all have been played for fools?? I am 53 recently retired and all my life we were told ‘ Americans are the hardest workers, they work hard and they play hard. Just looking back I can remember as the work week went all, we were always told “the weekend is almost here” Wed was called hump day, and on Thursday, you were already thinking about Friday. On Friday it was announced everywhere,”TGIF!!. So we were told party hard, and enjoy your weekend, but with the understanding “have your ass back to work on Monday”. I guess what I am saying is we were all “programmed” early on, to the slave like mentatlity, of work hard, get in debt up to our necks, and then hope near the end for a few years to enjoy it. Of course we all know that has “jumped the shark” long ago………
You are right. Pelosi exposed herself from the get go when she stated she wqouldn’t go after the Bushies as did Nobama. The deal was struck long before Obama got the nomination. She is an old clothes horse who picks her fights. We are “governed” by corporate hacks like Obama and company. They all feed at the same trough. The public game is a charade. Any way you look at it we lose. That’s the way its set up. They fear the OCWs because they’re out of the loop. No one knows how to react. Don’t worry. They’re looking for a chink and they’ll find one. The rewards are too great to allow the rabble to fuck with them.
Combat tour in Vietnam ass wipe and you?
Elite knows no Party.
Holy Troll!
I notice whenever and where ever ‘Vote Green’ is mentioned an army of angry trolls descend. Jill Stein must have Obama scared. Interesting.
LOL. I thought I just did . . .
Funny how FDL was trying to convince its minions just a few short months ago that it was Nancy Pelosi who was the great social net savior and Obama was trying to steal away your benefits.
Looks like she was just providing lip service, don’t ya think ?
Yep, that little prick has no idea what he’s coming up against. I’ve got 40 some years of the red rage to uleash on pasty little fuckers like him.
As others have said, Pelosi made herself obvious when she made no attempt to defund the wars as she promised. The Dems gained a majority in 2006 and she promptly forgot about it.
What some choose to believe about her is another story.
marcel, don’t make such a mockery of yourself. Your opinion and two nickels makes a dime.
Friendly reminder: Not all Vulcans are into multidimensional chess — they just look the part.
Probably moving on to a new thread now — jeez, I forgot just how much fun this could be, fellow thread-tykesters.
Um, without stooping too low, I would add that I notice Ms. H isn’t doing much pupstroking herself here of late — I think she’s out there in the field getting the rough work done.
If I’m correct in my suspicions, then all due kudos to same.
One by one all of these paid-for scoundrels sells us out. Anyone believe this government is on our side anymore?
Do you realize that by now you have come to the attention of N*A about 1000 time by your use of sexually explicit terms and by showing up on certain sites that shall remain unnamed? And that you are now on a list of a billion needles that the N*A sends to actually, ya know, hooman beans, to, ya know, actually investigate.
You should be afraid. Really really afraid.
Thus endeth the snark.
Amen.
Link please and if people here tried to convince anyone of Pelosi’s virtue, then they were probably wrong and many firebaggers probably said as much.
Oh dearie me, I’m old enough to merember the daze when alpha female taking over the “GAVEL” signaled the REAL CHANGE in USG.
Oh, no. It gets worse — just ask TheMalcontent and Jeffroby, long-time sufferers of the decidedly unsharpened slings and arrows hiding deep within my poetic quiver…
Love this Regressive and Vichycrat formulation, SouthernGrandDragon.
Unfortunately, there are about two people left out there who can make sense of it (you and I). Continuing cuts for education–and my FL governor Rick Scott’s demand that u’s cut liberal arts funding–kinda help guarantee that no one will EVER GET IT AGAIN,
the very end of history that, at the height of the 80s triumphalist Anglo Axis swell, Fukuyama decreed. . . just as the system, fully disemboweled, spills all of its entrails on its own toes.
I go on a bit, but maybe you get the idea.
Yep, thought the same but doing time in the Dem Party has taught valuable life lessons.
Pelosi has proven again and again to be a worthless SOS along with nearly EVERY Dem in DC. They walk, talk, drool and smell like Republicans so fuck em all.
Exactly. Obama had SS in his sights before the election.
He’s hiding behind another one of his fascist committees to legitimize trashing it. And as usual, just enough Dems will vote to start gutting it.
A Republican wouldn’t stand a chance of getting it done. This monster has no pushback.
Obama will have delivered another campaign promise to Wall St and another critical blow to the 99%. He’s in a big hurray to get it done before he’s in full out campaign mode.
And did you see the DNC has hired an anti-choice anti-gay marriage for “faith outreach”.
I guess they don’t faith in the faith of their own base.
You nailed it….they are all part of the 1%….why the do ordinary people keep voting for rich people to make their(ordinary people) lives better…well,lets just say it not a mystery.
Pelosi is willing to cut SS and Medicare benefits. Why not, she’s part of the ONePErcent and has a life time of Cadillac care on the taxpayers. The Dems don’t represent us and Nancy Pelosi is an office swine that gets backed because she’s on board with whatever Wall street dictates. She has never stood up for the people except to occasionally look for votes here and there. She is a back stabber and a consummate sociopath.
People are going to vote for Dems because they have no where to go and they know it. The fucking retarded base is nothing but a bunch of cattle to the likes of all of them. Either we fix this problem or we just pull the lever for one lying sack of shit after another. Pelosi is a War criminal protecting war criminals. She is a lowlife in fancy clothes and people keep falling for it. My God WAKE up.
Uh huh. BC the anti-choice anti-gays are gonna vote D no matter what Ds do.
Sounds like Plan O to me.
You realize that Social Security has done more to keep the middle and lower class down than republicans ever have. To suggest that it actually helps these people is a farce.
Voters have become completely immaterial. I mean this is the smoking gun. Pelosi has never been anything but a lying Medusa , war criminal, angel of death. Wake up Dems we have been abandoned.
Pelosi IS the 1%. What did anyone seriously expect at this point?
Until serious *change* (not lip service) is made, this IS where it’s at: the 1% will continue to gouge, rip off and further plunder the middle & working class until they attempt to wring blood from stones.
Pelosi revealed who she WORKS FOR – aka the MIC – way back in 2006. If you’re surprised at this, then you haven’t been paying attention.
Yes, BackEast/HeadedWest/HeadUpButt: black is white, night is day, baaaaaad is good, four legs good – two legs better. Got it! You are very very tediously boringly predictable.
Well, I hear O told a bunch of fat cats that he’s accomplished 60% of what he intends to do (that will be terrific news for the 99% who will be stuck trying to figure out why they are still mired in the same mess they were in when he was elected). Cutting Social Security and Medicare must be the 40% he has left.
Amen. We have been f’d off before the dance. Obviously the bastard has a date and want’s us to know it. I’m hate Obama Im ready to vote for Ron Paul even if he is a fucking nut.
Obama’s the worst and the most dangerous president we’ve ever had.
Give Pelosi a chance. She may not be the pushover she is projecting. Her language is exactly the same as Obama’s and I think dictated to her. When it comes to the legislation if it can be defeated per se, the progressive Democrats could well dig in their heels.
Graham cracker & milk for you. Now go outside & play, as SD would type.
Predictable….You come here to have your own opinion validated by people just like you. That is predictable. Try engaging in a debate.
Ah, but SCOTUs would never have gotten the chance to decide an election, if Republican-bribed Green candidates hadn’t helped land it there.
GREEN PARTY: BRIBED BY REPUBLICANS, SO WE HELP ELECT REPUBLICANS
It’s as simple as that.
Geez: I won’t hold my breath on that one.
Really?
Tell that little tidbit to the millions of seniors living indoors instead of outdoors.
“It’s not fair to say to a senior, ‘You’re going to pay more for Social Security and we’re not going to touch a hair on the head of the wealthiest people in our country,’ ” she said Thursday. “It’s not fair to say to that senior, ‘By the way, that increased premium that you’re paying is now going to be considered revenue.’”
What is not fair is ask any senior to take any cuts for any reason…gee NAncy I feel so much better knowing my only source of income (that chump change SS) will be cut just so some uber rich has to pay 1% more in taxes…wow Nancy I am glad you are standing up to those Repubs like Paul Ryan…hey you are just Obama! I bet he loves you Nancy!
both parties are bought and I will never vote a candidate from a major party….
Yeah, like the “debate” you “had” with me yesterday where you decided to tell me who I am … sight unseen & completely unknown to you.
If anyone has predictable & inflexible opinions, it’s you… straight outta Rush’s butt. Run along now… we’re all bored with the boring boorish b.s. that you say over & over & over & over & over & over endlessly ad nausem. We GOT it … mkay?
Don’t forget this little jewel where Pelosi actually tells people the Dems have given the people the Health care bill they asked for. It was such a despicable lie that the people in the crowd actually thought she was making jokes. They laugh a little until they all realize the Dems think the people are nothing but stupid meat and they don’t give a damn about them.
the people just stand there looking befuddled while the witch smiles and acts like her lies are fine. It’s utterly chilling as is this news article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9QD1GlWOQQ
No, you’re as simple as that.
Yeah right , this is Impeachment is off the table Pelosi who actually stood in front of people and tried to tell them they gave them the health care bill they asked for. Man, are you dumb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9QD1GlWOQQ
but but but: night is day, good is bad, dark is light…
Orwell was prophetic (that last sentence is not snark)
You don’t think your incessant whining doesn’t say something about who you are?
Some one has written the complete story with 100 times more “facts” than you & I were specumalating about. Trouble is he is a complete conspiracy nut. I’ve been dipping into conspiracy sites for a good part of the day, and now feel like I need a good scrub down.
I have a couple of emails out to people who might have contacts who can vet the post in my link. He asks all the Qs I asked, and then some, and came up with roughly the same explanation. Sometimes CTs are right.
You may characterize what I blog as “whining.” That’s your perogative.
I’m done responding to you because I am now terminally bored. Have a good one. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
wowza! well color me unsurprised, but thanks for the links and keep me updated. I mean, it’s all about connecting the dots, and really hardly shocking, esp given how things have transpired. Good work, pal.
On Edit: even conspiracy nuts are correct at least *part* of the time. Some of the “dots” are pretty obvious, anyway.
Sometimes one actually does recognize a significant turning point the instant it is declared. P’s impeachiment is off the table was such an example.
Well, of course, she would say that. Such a depressing and ridiculous party. Thank god there is now a conversation outside of the two playpens with the occupation movement.
So here are some of the follow up Qs. What is the agenda? Who are the 1%ers the org in Q is working for (there are many subdivisions among the 1%ers; Soros is not the same as Koch); what does the org get out of it; etc.
If accurate, would A a lot of Qs, but raise a whole bunch more Qs.
We realize that trolling gives you a great deal of satisfaction.
You’re joking, right?
Obama, Pelosi and the Dems are gonna say they just had to cut SS so Republicans agree to a tiny tax increase. Whether Republicans agree to that or not, Dems have signaled their willingness to go after SS for some piece of shit Republican token. Like Obama keeping the Bush tax cuts so Republicans agree to unemployment benefits; for one more year. Another Obama deception that’s a really shit deal.
The rich remain and everyone else gets hammered.
All of Obama’s policies have been an abomination to the American people, and that’s just what he intended.
I am with you on that. Our “friends” have fucked us over way too many times.
Democrats suck.
Obama is a miserable failure.
The result: citizens are taking to the streets.
I keep hearing nonsense about Democrats trying to court the Occupy movement. The Occupy movement exists because the Democrats are, at best, such total failures. At worst, Democrats are sleazy sellouts. Either way, the 99% are done with both parties.
I agree. I’m so sick of these scions of the parasite class and their willingness to f*** everybody else over.
See next post upstairs from Massacio. It is so totally up your ally, eCAHN, and what’s more YOU can probably “get” it (as an English lit major, who barely managed to eeeeek out a B+ in Stats, it starts looking like gibberish to me). And then you might find some of the answers (or beginnings of places to look for them) that you posit @117.
You are on the right track, and per usual, you are asking the same questions I am…. and then asking more, etc.
You go, eCAHN!
Oh, lucky us. Back East is back, and this time he’s bearing gifts: his copy-and-paste book of right wing talking points.
Did you get a scholarship to Clown College or were ya only there for a semester? Thanks for the laughs, BackEast.
II hope the Democratic Party dies a quick death, allowing a true progressive party to replace it.
Hey,judibrowni,I hope the pubs aren’t as stingy as they were with Nader.I anticipate tens of billions in bribe money for the Greens to spread the message and build their national infrastructure.Other than lizard-brain loyalty based upon tribal fear,i.e.,tea-baggers,why do you give a fuck who wins? Both parties have turned on the citizenry to advance the corporate-monopoly concentration of fascism,so what are you clinging to judibrowni ? Maybe it’s the patriot act and other cornerstones of social fascism ? Corporate state fascism eviscerating free enterprise ? Using the austerity scam to shred the safety net and make the people so desperate for jobs they will destroy the environment ? Dems lose and the Greens get elephant bucks, I call that a two-fer .
Zinn said he’d be dangerous.
Absolutely every Pol in Dee Cee is either a member of the 1% – or very very close to it – and/or is endlessly willing to be bought off by the 1% and act against the interests of the 99%. 100% of ‘em. I include in this list all the so-called “good ones,” like even Dennis Kucinich (who is probably the only one who sometimes has feelings of guiit, shame, remorse, etc). They are greedy greedy sociopaths hell-bent on amassing as much money for themselves. The end. Period.
It is simply FUTILE to think that ANY federal level politician has anyone’s “better interests” in mind, other than their own. They ARE the 1%, and they legislate solely & only for the benefit of the 1%. Period.
He has needs that only trolling can fulfill.
And Zinn was 110% correct, as usual.
Debate nonsense? No thanks. I’ll humor ya idjit, let’s hear your supporting arguments for these two cowardly nickel per post nuggets of excrement you dredged up from the pits of your putrescent mind, no offense.
so boring.
We need better quality trolls, and that’s for sure. We’ve had much better contrarians to truly “debate” with. I’m all for contrarian positions that are backed up with facts and logic, or that are at least argued with some vim and appearance of passionate belief.
This one just farts out what Rush said today, and it’s tediously predictable and facilely meaningless.
s/he’s boring.
Left a comment. It’s all BS.
A troll’s girlfriend can’t fulfill needs because her last name is “.jpg”.
I just find it funny that Democrats are talking about embracing the Occupy movement.
The Occupy movement exists because Democrats have betrayed us all.
I prefer to think of this particular troll as HeadUpButt.
Oh. Too bad. Looked like it might have something going for it. Oh well.
~yawn~
It was all their fault they had a better platform and candidate, whatever.
SCOTUS and election fraud can’t receive the blame they deserve because neither will change but you sure can browbeat a green. Try that nonsense at a OWS. You’ll be laughed at to your face. It’ll be refreshing, I imagine, so have at it.
Nah: that was *predictable.* It’s the typical way of trying to assimilate and hence render it useless. Tricks like that were tried during the Civil Rights & Anti Viet Nam War efforts.
It’s called: Beware Enemies Bearing Gifts.
In ancient bigoted Hollywood Western politically incorrect speak (with apologies to all but seems apt), it’s the old school Hollywood “Indian” (almost always played by a white actor/actress) saying: White Man Speak with Forked Tongue.
I don’t know if Native Americans ever said or thought that, but it applies to so-called “Democrats” trying to co-opt OWS.
I think you are on to something.
Based on what BE writes, it’s obvious he thinks he’s an important kind of guy. That doesn’t jibe, however, with his compulsion to troll.
What really worries me is that I don’t know what N*A refers to (please advise). And that I don’t know how to do prickly with the grace and elegance that you can so effortlessly muster. ;-)
True and you’re right, better quality trolls is what we deserve. :)
Absolutely.
LOL!! Loved your comment… golly! I’m 5 degrees from Monica Lewinsky! Zounds!
Actually I have a story for you. Maybe I’m less than 5 degrees to Monica, but don’t know how to calculate it.
Years ago I got a private tour of the West Wing, including the Oval Office, where they actually let you sit at the POTUS’s desk & sit in the chair, etc. It was during the Clinton Admin… aaaannnndddd … yes, I kid you not, there was a *cigar* on the desk!!!! ACK… ew ew ew… no one touched it, I can assure you! har har
I love it when you say “quiver.”
Pelosi to staff: What’s OWS?
They’ll have to when their parents lose the Ss and Medicare because there will older Americans losing their homes in a whole new wave.
The rhetoric seems aimed at less attentive and/or less savvy Americans who confused into thinking that the OWSers are Obama supporters.
Meanwhile, the worthless Ed Show on MSNBC has said that they are angry at Republicans. Not. Thanks for nothing, Ed.
*S*?
Belly laughs over that one. Let’s calculate: OO, cigar, you. Sounds like it might be 3 degrees of separation.
There are few here who started off kinda-sorta trollish, but over time became much better *contributors* to the ongoing conversation. While I may not agree with them all the time, I value their POV, and they often come armed with some different information to add to the conversation.
Hey: differences of opinion are great, esp if they’re based in, you know, factual reality. Inquiring minds can agree to disagree. But just spewing out dumb talking points (and these were even pretty stupid even for a dittohead, frankly) is tedious, boring & a waste of time.
probably more like minimum wage part time with no bennies.
Heh. Back in the day, the media used to point at Democrats and say “Look! What they just did is good for Republicans.”
Now whatever the Democrats do is good for #occupy. ‘Course the media will never make that connection.
ROTFLOL!!! Yowza!!!! That’s what I tought! ew ew cigar ick! ha ha
I did enjoy meeting Clinton’s chocolat lab, Buddy, who sadly later got killed by a car in Harlem. Buddy was great.
Ed’s a moron too often to listen regularly but I check in from time to time to see where he’s at.
Sometimes he’s hot, but trying to convince us the majority of OWS are obama supporters, who’s he kidding. Oh, that’s right, he’s paid to lie just like obama.
There are reason$ Ed has been moving on up that have little to do with the quality of his analysis. He’s got heart but a tiny brain.
Yes.
You just articulated why I refuse to watch MSNBC. Buncha shills for the establishment. Working for the 1%. PTOUI!
Before Social Security was created, older Americans had the highest poverty rate of any age group. Back then, “the poorhouse” wasn’t a figure of speech. It was a real institution where people unlucky enough not to have relatives willing to support them wound up. They were kept in prison-like conditions and stripped of their dignity. It was our country’s version of putting people on ice floes.
Any thought about OccupyCongress? Maybe this country needs some Occupy candidates who will be everything Obama and the Democrats are not.
Yes, I’ve noticed several virgin trollers who became good FDL contributors after they figured out that we aren’t Obots. And I welcome all of them, esp since we put them thru a pretty heavy duty
vettinghazing routine.Thank you. I read the articles where the con man Obama is endorsing the OWS. I mean, it’s laughable. The whole country/planet is in a major protest during his watch while he’s taking money from the banks being protested and he endorses OWS. Is that the OnePercents’ version of ” I know you are but what am I”?
OWS should be chanting “IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH AND THROW THEM ALL OUT.”
Never knew what happened to Buddy. Sadness.
Didja know that my cat, Cahnstance, prolly 4 next month, was prolly a street walker in Harlem before I adopted her at roughly age 2?
Back from the days when George was trying to take an ax to Social Security and the Dems were screaming:
“Between 1959 and 1974, the elderly poverty rate fell from 35 percent to 15 percent. This was largely attributable to a set of increases in Social Security benefits. The elderly poverty rate has continued to decline in subsequent decades, reaching 9.4 percent in 2006. Social Security and Supplemental Security Income benefits continue to play a key role in reducing elderly poverty, especially among women and people of color. If Social Security benefits did not exist, an estimated 44 percent of the elderly would be poor today, assuming no changes in behavior.”
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/07/elderly_poverty.html
An oldie but a goodie:
“The authors estimate that a $1,000 increase in Social Security benefits is associated with a 2 to 3 percentage point reduction in poverty rates for elderly households. They also find no statistically significant effect of benefits on income inequality, suggesting that higher-income and lower-income elderly benefit similarly from increases in Social Security.”
http://www.nber.org/aginghealth/summer04/w10466.html
Any statement that Social Security does not benefit the elderly and society as a whole is completely inane.
Understood.
The few sad trolls we have, maybe they think they are doing gop’s work but they just aren’t even close to changing hearts and minds or even connecting on a human level.
There are plenty of people of wildly opposing views I thoroughly enjoy talking with and that includes many sane and ordinary conservatives.
ON EDIT: response to Tamanytiger@159
And THAT’s exactly what the 1% want re-instituted since they’ve ensured that Climate Change has put-paid to ice floes being abundant enough anymore to do the trick. Only partially snark. A former troll that I haven’t seen in a while (or who trolls under a different sock puppet identity now) used to bleat about sending worthless citizens who got under water on their mortgages (of course the banks & mortgage co. & Wall St are 110% blameless fabled beings of light & beneficence who got so totally ripped off by hoardes of cheating, lying poor people) to Debtor’s Prison.
I don’t *think* the troll was totally kidding … eg, let me restate that and say: I don’t think the 1% would be opposed to Debtor’s Prison if they could figure out how to make it happen. Seemed to me that the troll was sort of “floating” out the idea, but I could just be paranoid. Who knows?
Resp to forest @165
Yes. Exactly. My family drives me nuts, but they usually speak with some level of intelligence… and at least appear to have considered what they’re saying…. this stuff is nonsense.
I did not know that.
Well, I’m sorry to say Zinn was right.
A few others like Glen Ford warned people about Obama, too.
He was a proven liar before the election. I didn’t vote for him.
But, I had no idea he was a pathlogical lying sociopath.
#occupy seems much more revolutionary and would not be satisfied with merely running a candidate — it’s looking for much deeper changes. But…you never know what might develop between now and Novemer 2012.
I like Ed S but he is wrong on this one. I had to stop listening to him because it was really depressing. I guess he knows where his bread is buttered meaning the MSM. You can support a Dem but you can’t support the idea that the two party system is a sham and stay on MSM.
Another one bits the dust and falls to big money.
I share your political views and anger. But I must tell you this: Talking Stick is not dumb. NO WAY. She is very gentle, though.
BINGO
Some have turned out quite alright and can be good to have around. I try not to be rude, although sometimes I’m not always successful at that, I admit.
People that won’t see Obama for what he is are helping the OnePErcent. We are running out of time to turn this around.
It’s an idea to run a candidate and tempting, if the so-called correct person could be found. The issue is that it seems as if everyone ends up co-opted and/or bought off and/or scared off (eg, what really happened when Obama took Kucinich up in AirForce 1 over the so-called HCR??? I mean: What was UP with that??? no pun intended)….
The whole d*mn system is so corrupted that it’s hard to imagine one or two politicians being able to make much of a difference.
It would be helpful to have a Parliamentary system, but good luck with getting that changed!!! Plus it’s not a guarantee of much better.
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-01-03/us/buddy.killed_1_clinton-family-chocolate-labrador-retriever-dog?_s=PM:US
Here’s the Buddy story. Doubly sad for me, who knew him. A truly lovely doggie; he had good trainer (a friend of a friend of mine, who arranged for the tour).
Did know about your fab kitteh and being from the streets of Harlem. I have read your story about her somewhere along the line, and how she got her name!
Leave BackLeast alooooooone!!! He needs this to get off.
exactly . Obama thinks he’s so slick. What a sophomoric lying ass.
Definitely.
I really wish OWS would let it be known that Obama and the Dems are the enemy.
Once and for all. They must quash all the OWS support gibberish from DNC and “liberal” media shills.
Among my very first online comments was a site, I forget the name, whose proprietress appeared on WJ. The online post I joined was this woman extolling the virtues of Karen Armstrong, provoked me to comment that Armstrong (read a couple of her books by then) never met a religion she didn’t like. I was immediately tagged as troll meat and site hostess & several commenters ganged up on me. I held my own for 5-6 comments, thanked them for their lively discussion & never visited site again. Think hostess was into eastern religion thingy iirc. Decided I liked the experience but looked for a site that was more into my issues than that one was.
Gotta stop home schooling them.
I know exactly what you are talking about. I figured out there were no WMD in Iraq in late 2002, so thought the sooner W invaded (inevitable) the better, as by 11/04 everyone would know he had lied about WMD.
Alas, very few figured it out betw 3/03 & 11/04. Takes a long time to turn around an oil tanker empire.
Just inches away from greatness. Take that any way you want to. ;-)
It’s probably unfair to “gang up” on someone new, but OTOH, to come to FDL and endlessly repeat dittoheadisms seems pretty futile to me. What’s the point? Then the troll starts to personally attack any commenter who refutes the tedious nonsense. Foolish. Not going to get any “takers” for what’s being “sold,” so why bother???
If you want to “sell” a veiwpoint, then do so conscientiously and with facts, and commenters here may at least spend some time taking you seriously. Otherwise: go somewhere else to play.
That can’t be it. I knocked down one of those black helicopters the other day with my slingshot, and nobody said nuthin’. (Had to do it, was having trouble navigating the website lol.)
mkay… that’s enough of that…
Some are still arguing that the WMD are hidden in Syria. Go figure…
Frankly on 9/11/01, I knew as soon as I learned about the WTC, I knew that W would go attack Iraq. On what basis remained to be seen, but I figured it was a foregone conclusion that Team USA was headed to Eye-Rack. Yeah: sounds like Monday morning quarterbacking, but that’s how I called it.
Oh, the 1% would absolutely love to get us out of the way.
Dead would be the ideal for them. There’s too much riff raff, dontcha know. The less of us means more of everything for them.
They’re not big on sharing.
Absolutely. Thoughtful contrary views keep you sharp, and help you learn and grow, if, indeed, one is capable and willing to learn and grow. But, as Freud said, “Sometimes a moron is just a moron.” (I think it was Freud . . . )
Or maybe it was: sometimes a maroon is actually an ultra-maroon…
Anyways, you miscreants and assorted fellow-travlers, I gots ta get a move on… be good to yourselves and kind to others, even the tediously boring trolls, and, as always: give peace a chance.
Power to the People!
Support #Occupy!
So-called “Democrats” are NOT your friend, and they do speak with forked tongues.
And so: on it goes…..
Pelosi sucks. The Democrats suck. Fuck the lot of them.
Oh, NOW everything is on the table… I think that must include impeachment.
I know that, and if you want proof, visit TBogg’s thread from yesterday about being shot by a peacekeeper lol. But TS has been here for years, and she is very gentle and thoughtful and makes excellent contributions here, albeit she has never been as angry and radical as you and I. More sad and regretful about what she has seen, she does not do rage. Please trust me on this.
I had no idea what to expect. I was literally a virgin at that kind of activity. I went up the learning curve PDQ. I actually remember it fondly bc I like to learn new stuff.
so easy for millionaires to say…
Regular people rely on these two programs to survive. Congress critters don’t.
I think we should slash their benefits–$174K + benefits? Na… They can survive on 90K and a 50% cut in their other benefits, including health insurance coverage.
Can you loan me your slingshot. NYS helos fly over 2X/day at least as I live within a stones throw of two aqueducts taking water from Ashokan & Roundout reservoirs to NYC. Stupid inspection flights, stupid bc no self-respecting terriss would try to undermine such a vast water system owing to daunting dilution factor problem and the fact that helos can be heard so far away. But as they do no good and harm my peace, I have probable cause to slingshot them out.
The problem with your statement is that it implies that the democrats are somehow superior …
Even though most of them are willing to cut Medicare and Social Security benefits.
Even though President Obama himself made a backroom deal with the healthcare lobbyists to kill the public option.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.html
Even though people had to get arrested to have single payer healthcare even mentioned in congress.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2009/05/12/4426477-five-single-payer-protestors-arrested
Even though high profile democrats on the state level such as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo took tens of thousands of dollars in donations from the KOCH BROTHERS:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-10-07/gossip/27077419_1_tea-party-koch-industries-koch-and-cuomo
And that newly elected democratic governor then went on to make unprecedented cuts in social safety nets including essential housing subsidies that kept poor families off the streets:
http://my.firedoglake.com/lechero/2011/03/25/new-yorks-dis-advantage-program-casting-away-15000-previously-homeless-back-into-the-streets/
If what you say about the Green Party is true, then the Democratic Party is still an even bigger sham.
Support the 99%!
Time to find another candidate to replace her. She wants to play games we will play games
Absolutely, as I owe you something for alerting me to the probability that the N*A, whose identity I think I have figured out with forest’s kind assistance (DUH), may be targeting me for referencing genitalia-related items. Had I known that naughty bits were a trigger item, I would have lived my life very differently and maintained a prudent distance from same.
Absolutely, as I owe you something for alerting me to the probability that the N*A, whose identity I think I have figured out with forest’s kind assistance (DUH), may be targeting me for referencing genitalia-related items. Had I known that naughty bits were a trigger item, I would have lived my life very differently and maintained a prudent distance from same.
Now going to hit “Submit” for a third time. I may have need of my slingshot.
You should stop calling them “entitlements”. They are insurance programs that everyone pays into.
Until every democrat that votes for this kind of stuff gets primarried and beaten they have no reason to fear us. They take the left for granted and we get shit on every time then come the next election they want us to wipe their asses.
Our safety net- she is a millionaire and doesn’t need one. We don’t need her duplicitous leadership.
Can them all.. throw them all out. We can’t trust them. They don’t care about consequence either. Very poor leaders. Evil.
Entitlements? You mean the entitlement of the 1% don’t you?
Social Security is America’s civilized agreement to provide decent life circumstances for its elderly. They just can’t stand to see that big pot of savings by the people sitting there without exploiting it for their own. Rather, they just can’t stand owing that obligation after they have exploited it.
What a revolting development.
It seems that Nov 6, 2012 is too far away on the calendar so the Democrats have decided to fail now and cede the elections far enough in advance that they’ll all have plenty of time to find work in the “down” economy before their Rayburn building offices are cleaned out.
I wonder if Barry will go back into law, maybe as the junior partner in Obama & Obama, LLC?
For those concerned that the Greens are as infiltrated as the Dems, there is another solution. (Hint: check my username.) Pretty sure THEY haven’t started taking money from the Repubs/banks/1%.
When one looks at the GOP field of candidates?
one quickly learns that the top 1% do not care about winning in 2012
WhY?
because the top 1% already have their trojan horses in the WH OBAMA, Senate Harry Reid, House Nancy Pelosi
the LEFT must send HARD LINE DEMS TO CONGRESS IN 2012
Dems who like the GOP house members just came to DC to raise hell
jedi, the dems are far gone. Their entrenched organization has layers of idiots waiting in line to take their turn screwing the rest of us.
The duopoly has sold us into slavery.
Imagine independence.
LOL
You are trying to joke – right
Remember Fox – and Rush – have said – in Court in the case of Fox – that they are into entertainment and allowed to make up stuff to amuse – that “Fox News” is just a joke using the word “news”, that “fair and balanced” is – per the Roger Ailes memo of 1973 on starting Fox News – just a focus group phrase to be used to sell GOP-TV, a platform for the rich and corporate.
You are aware of this so the SS bull was to get a laugh – right?
The Democrats have lost their reason for existence. They now stand for absolutely nothing. They are as pro-oligarchy as the Republicans, only differing from them on economic issues in that they want to go slightly slower (maybe) in disenfranchising the rest of us. They no longer have a genuinely progressive wing. OWS has completely taken over the social dynamism in American society. In purely strategic political terms, the Democrats are caught in a vise between the Republicans on their right and OWS on their left. They are facing probable near-annihilation in the 2012 election cycle. What is pathetic is that the Democratic leaders and their Veal Pen supporters don’t seem to realize this, for all their cynicism and duplicitousness. They are like the dinosaurs before the asteroid hit (although in all fairness, the dinosaurs were much smarter, in that they could not possibly have foreseen the asteroid).
Dems always start their bargaining position backed into a corner.
Why not double Social Security and Medicare benefits, and quadruple taxes on the wealthy? That would kill two birds with one stone.
Either Goldman Sachs will have something nice in store, or the Chicago Stock Exchange will need someone to hand out leaflets to protesters after the 2012 election.
Hey Vote Socialist,the Greens is the party of democratic socialism and no one,except you, has ever insinuated that it has been infiltrated by anyone. What’s your real agenda dude ? If you are speaking of the Peace and Freedom party,why not give them a plug and readers some guidance.?
Vichycrat – Never heard that one before!
The Vichycrats are the other face of the 1%. Allied with the Republicans.
No. 2012. 99%.
“Why not double Social Security and Medicare benefits, and quadruple taxes on the wealthy? That would kill two birds with one stone.”
!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome idea. Shows some desire and strength of purpose for OUR side!
That’s snark, right? O is *set for life,* and I doubt he cares about 2012 one way or another. O’s position as the first AA POTUS is set for the history books, and O is now a multi-gazillionaire, thanks to his benefactors in the 1% who hired him to be “their” POTUS/hired hand. O is set for life, just like the Clintons. O can go forth and get giant buck$$ for “speaking engagements,” and so forth… and show up, like Clinton & W, at trouble spots around the globe.
O don’t need no stinking job… he’s got boucoup to live on, and that’s for sure.
“It is the Democratic party slowly moving from defending entitlement programs to taking the official position that Medicare and Social Security should be cut.”
Slowly moving? They have been falling all over themselves even before Obama got elected. Suppose that is why Obama was featured at the 2004 convention, and sponsored going forward by Daschle, Kerry and Lieberman?
The whorehouse stable is now complete. Nancy is on her knees and sucking. Fuck them all