If the Court strikes down Obamacare then Obama’s presidency will be pretty much of an unmitigated failure (with an asterisk perhaps for the Dodd-Frank financial reform act). Which, I’ll grant you, would be a very bad outcome for the nation.
But slapping down a sitting president in a transparently partisan manner with a decision that did violence to eight decades of jurisprudence and that would literally cost American lives–yes, I think a “no” vote would be a pretty bad way for the Court to go–would be a fantastically effective way to “energize the base,” as we say in Washington, and maybe rope in some independents, too. What better way to say, “We need to give this guy four more years, never mind what you think of him personally, so we can change the composition of this reactionary and intellectually bankrupt Court”? FDR used an election victory to harass enough of the “nine old men” of the Supreme Court into retirement or submission to rescue the New Deal (even if his opening move, the court-packing scheme, was a busted play).
To begin with, the idea that independents would, for some reason, rally around a law that is all ready very unpopular with independents because it was declared unconstitutional doesn’t make sense. More likely it would just give those already skeptical of the law another reason to dislike it.
If the Court takes Judge Roger Vinson’s position and throws out the entire law, that might rally the Democratic base just because that would be a historic judicial overreach, but even that is not guaranteed. The law was contentious with the base and the offending provision, the individual mandate, wasn’t wanted by many progressives. A court loss could make the base angry with elected Democrats for so foolishly screwing up the law. Congressional Democrats have no one but themselves to blame for making the idiotic mistake of not including a severability clause in the law.
In addition, had Obama not gone with an individual mandate (like he promised on the campaign trail), but included a public option (also like he promised on the campaign), or just directly provided the uninsured with basic public insurance, the law would have passed constitutional muster. If the whole law is struck down, it will be ironic that it was not progressive enough to be constitutional.
I think the biggest fault with Noah’s analysis is that he is acting like either the whole law will be upheld or the whole law will be thrown out. I think it is far more likely the Supreme Court would find only parts of the law unconstitutional, rather than throwing out the whole law. After all, it defies logic to claim that many of the law’s provisions: money for community health centers, Medicaid expansion, allowing adults under 27 to stay on their parents plans, free preventive care for Medicare, etc… can’t be severed from the individual mandate.
The most likely unfavorable ruling from the Supreme Court would be that they follow the 11th Circuit’s lead and strike down only the individual mandate as unconstitutional and leave the rest of the law intact. This would be a real political loss for Obama. It would prove that the Republicans were right about the law being unconstitutional and it won’t be something that would rally the Democratic base. The mandate isn’t particularly popular with the base and it would be hard to paint the Supreme Court as being out of control because they simply removed a single, highly unpopular provision from the law, while leaving all the popular provisions intact.




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What if Obama replies by claiming that the mandate was necessary to make the law work and its unconstitutionality now makes clear to him that Medicare for All is the only way to go to solve the problem and he then starts immediately campaigning for it? Does that provide the possibility of a win?
I hope they strike it down. It’s a shit plan. If they do costs will skyrocket and it will be a great rallying point to relauch single payer over the next few years.
When was the last time any branch of gov’t didn’t oblige the constituents with the high hard one when given the chance? Gooberment is owned by the FIRE lobby and the entire point of ACA is to achieve a mandate to buy the insurance Co’s product. The SCOTUS will strip any benefits from the act and leave the mandate and fines. Remember candidate Zero said no mandate, no fines, so what happened? Zero will be very wealthy when leaving office and collect heavy “consulting and speaking fees” just like Arkansas’ bastard son, Clinton.
Good analysis Jon. I was of the mind that it was a win-win for BO regardless of how the court goes. I was looking at it more in terms of how BO could use it as campaign rhetoric.
If ACA is upheld he would argue that he brought all americans healthcare. If he loses, he would argue that he doing the best he can for americans but face many roadblocks.
Your analysis is more important though. How would voters perceive any decision on this unpopular act.
Striking down the individual mandate alone would be the best possible outcome for populists and progressives. It would keep the bulk of the law intact, and eliminate the guaranteed windfall for private insurers that the individual mandate conferred.
There would be no forced demand increase if the mandate was removed, thus no upward price pressure on health care premiums.
“I hope they strike it down. It’s a shit plan”
I agree. I hope they strike down the mandate. It’s just a windfall for the Health Insurance industry if it is not struck down.
The mandate was just an outright sell-out to Obama’s new rich friends in the health insurance industry.
Clarence Thomas should be off the court before next summer if there is any justice left in DC. 700K mistake on the part of his wife Virginia is complete bullshit, you forget 700K of income over 5 years and see if two guys in black ill fitting suits show up in a late model American car and take you away. Where is the outrage with everyday Americans on this Supreme Court?
Most do not know about this. The story has gotten very little play.
ROFLMAO
Fix is in. O knows SCOTUS will “approve” mandate.
Costs are up.
The number of uninsured is up.
Insurance companies are about to get a $400 billion windfall from the government.
“high risk” plans are better called – “unaffordable insurance plans”
Medicaid is being driven to collapse.
The “deficit reduction” was derived from Enron/Solyndra accounting tricks that included the unworkable CLASS Act ($70 billion), and a failure to recognize that doctors will need to be actually paid to see patients ($250-300 billion)
And the individual mandate is loathed by 65-70% of the electorate.
No matter the SCOTUS outcome — the ACA is a sure loser for Obama… if he wins — the R base that obliterated the Dems in 2010 will be fired up.
If he loses — the first 5 points will be used to drive the wedge that if we kick Obama out, we will finally be able to get rid of the rest of this disastrous law.
If the village veal pen idiots want to delude their small readership with this… let them have at it.
Jon , you are the reason I seldom come by here anymore. When were you ever right about anything ? You are the poster child for what has been called Firebaggers. You have never liked this President and have taken every opportunity to attack him and his policies. Despite your constant attacks Obama WILL be reelected and you WILL be proved wrong, again. You have marginalized yourself, Jane and this site and for those of us who don’t want Republicans to have the power to install one more Corporate Owned Right Winger on the Supreme Court, and most of us understand the consequences of that, or write the laws for the next 4 years, you are a hindrance to the Progressive Cause. I think you are a Teabagger masquerading as a Progressive secretly hoping Republicans will win. I will work tirelessly to see you and your kind proved wrong again and brought down to you knees.
Costs are already skyrocketing!
Noah is full of crap; it would be highly embarrassing and would play directly into GOP hands and sound bites.
Energize the base?! We’re gonna’ run out and work like hell to get Obama re-elected so we can have 4 more years of the “great conciliation”? We didn’t like the legislation to begin with. Illogical doesn’t even begin to describe… Oh, never mind.
Note that little of the discussion is about the real prob which is that med costs are bankrupting U.S., something I have been watching for 2 decades, when it was already 2-3 decades in the making before I noticed it.
Calling it ‘Obamacare’ pretty much tells you which side he’s on.
Costs have been skyrocketing for the 4 decades+ that I’ve been following it.
I’ll say it again.
Congress has the authority to regulate commercial transactions (commerce)
Congress has the authority to levy and spend taxes.
Congress has no authority to force YOU into a commercial transaction and then regulate it under Commerce.
Congress has no authority to require you to spend your non-taxable income in ANY particular way.
Spare me tired financial responsibility law analogies, they are NOT analogous. First, these are STATE not FEDERAL law; and each state that requires a showing of financial responsibilities to THIRD PARTIES in the event of an accident for which you may be liable, citizens have the option of purchasing a minimum limits auto liability policy OR posting a bond (aka self-insurance). Financial responsibility laws are intended to protect OTHERS from YOU.
Spare me the tired point, “but everyone NEEDS health insurance.” WRONG.
Everyone needs health care.
Health insurance is NOT health care.
NOBODY needs private health insurance.
And, as health care IS something everyone needs, it should be paid for through tax contributions, just like civilized first world countries do it. Putting a profit margin on it so that the neediest can be denied, belies a hollow, empty, sociopathic people.
Second the ROFLMAO
Actually that would be because of the incompetence from Obama and the Democrats in not inserting a severability clause in the legislation. Also Obama and the Democrats repeatedly say in court and in the public how it isn’t severable, so it would just be SCOTUS agreeing with the administration that the mandate can’t be separated from the rest of the law.
Why? Where is the money going? Do you have an analysis that shows where is the “extra” over say Canada?
PhRMA & insurance corps. Profits & exec comp.
On edit: “Extra would go where ever if both corps were removed from consideration bc source of market power is knowledge gap betw buyer & seller.
I don’t agree with much in this piece. It seems too focused on who wins/loses in court, bragging rights, rather than the path going forward.
I think getting rid of that mandate will be a way to defuse ACA as a liability for Obama. . .somewhat. There would be less reason for anti-ACA independents to steer to the GOP if SCOTUS has already taken the mandate off the table. I think the relief will outweigh the “there! you see!?” reaction among voters.
But if SCOTUS upholds the mandate, then the irritant will remain as before, and a lot of anxious single issue voters will act against their own interests on election day.
The lack of severability is intriguing. One can think it was a sly strategy to put the courts in a bind. Or maybe it really was a genuine screwup — there were so many others, it’s plausible.
I thought it was just the individual mandate that was the focus of this lawsuit/ruling, not the entire ACA. Which is it?
That individual mandate reeks to high heaven. Ironically (or stupidly), Obama put that crap in there to entice GOP votes (and got none in the process). It’s a Republican idea, and now Obama’s defending it.
I hope the court tosses the mandate.
This looks like a lose – lose for Obama to me.
If it is struck down, it is a big embarrassment.
If he wins, the law is still very unpopular and he owns it.
I disagree and below is my justification:
Individual Mandate for private for-profit corporations is nothing but a step on setting us on a road to neo-feudalism. I do not think anybody thought through this horrible idea when listening to top lobbyists self serving ideas while putting it forward in the guise of public option which was conveniently dropped at the last moment. Other corporations in other sectors have no way to counter it except by getting similar deals and pretty soon we all will be in a feudal state with multiple corporations as owners. Pretty much Financial Dark Ages for our society.
Even if supreme court by any chance agrees, Republican Party still has the platform and overwhelming public support to remove it out by legislative means. They will win the elections by a wave never seen before just on this potent political platform of removing individual mandates.
If Supreme Court dis-agrees and removes individual mandates it pretty much sets Democrats on a better playing ground. They can now say Single Payer is their back-up option and they will try it for now. Election will be based on Taxes, Wars, Accountability issues where both sides have differing view points and not on Mandates which by its very mention is a potent political issue trumping all other issues at the table. So If Supreme Court rules against it Democrats can say they approached issue in-correctly, sorry for that and will now try Single Payer which will sail through the courts if elected. Then they are off the hook of a very potent political issue on the eve of elections.
Basic, Universally Understood Definition of Commerce is that it is a Voluntary Transaction between Buyer and Seller and after the exchange of goods and/or services both parties are happy with the Transaction.
Individual Mandates is NOT commerce since it is not voluntary transaction. It the buyer does not want to participate one cannot be forced to enter into a transaction of good/and or services with the seller. It is more horrible than that. If every company does that then we will not have any company competing for our hard-earned dollars and providing value for it. Whole market based economy simply collapses and we will enter financial dark ages.
To address costs are sky-rocketing
If Pres. Teddy Roosevelt was present he would have removed the anti-trust exemption which BTW this is the only industry besides baseball which enjoys this strange exemption for some reason as first step.
Trust busting as second step.
Establish Over-sight to prevent price fixing or simply add Public Option as third step.
Ensuring and promoting competition in every sub-sector as fourth step.
Make sure this setup is present and not altered through mergers etc. over time.
No where one will see the individual mandates but only voluntary purchases and sales.
Watch the magic of free-market competition just unfolding where the prices drop like a rock and a person even on the minimum wage gets quality care which will be the envy of the rest of the world without government doing anything else in the market.
Single-Payer is a much easier solution to implement and a more genial approach to the issue.
By itself it is not a bad solution, has multiple weakness but most of the industrialized world has adopted it, has proven its merit over time as a valid model for adoption.
Congressional Democrats have no one but themselves to blame.
That is all that need be said.
yup
everyone and their cat knows a losing this in the scotus will be a brutal catastrophe for the zero campaign and I do not believe there is a chance in hell he would force the case unless he had inside info
noah’s claim that it would only be a minor setback is cover
I though am of the mind this is a lose lose for obama, the health care bill is NOT a popular bill, a scotus win will energize people to vote against him not for him
a scotus loss will energize the right wing political machines correct claim that obama is a miserable failure
I say lose lose for o, an incredibly bad move pushing this case forward
you keep using the wrong term, there is NO SUCH THING AS A FREE MARKET
first you demonstrate the REGULATIONS that need be in place for this mythical free market to work and then you claim it’s a free market
what you mean is FAIR market
perhaps you don’t know what the term free market means?
it means “let the market regulate itself” which is a REDICULOUS claim, a market will NEVER regulate itself, all markets RELY on regulations
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE MARKET
please stop posting this “free market” nonsense, you need to change your term
Obama “needed” the mandate because Obama “needed” the win. Politicians all believe that what’s important in politics is winning; it has nothing to do with the effects of policy, and the ridiculousness of Republican policy initiatives in this era only underscores that point.
“great conciliation” is far too kind, he is playing on their team, he was recruited to play on their team, he is not compromising with them he is deliberately undermining for us
he is the benedict sheep in trojan clothing
the mandate did not give him the win, he got the mandate through tooth and nail arm twisiting, nobody but the industry wanted it
he put in the mandate not for a win but for a gift to his corporate puppeteers
I used a term which is commonly used and something similar to Freeway we all are used to. There are regulations on how fast we can go, lane changing rules, keeping distance rules etc so that we can travel safely on this FREEWAY. Where we want to enter, where we want to exit, how fast we go, where we can park on shoulder if needed subject to regulations is determined by us. Anyway, can use Market Economy if the term Free Market Economy is confusing.
your term is NOT commonly used to describe what YOU are describing progress, the term is used to tell us how wonderful an unregulated market is
you are NOT telling us about an unregulated market, this “beuty of the free market” YOU talk about HAS regulations
bringing up the freeway ananlogy is a non sequetor, they are two completely diffferent words, as you know, english is not precise and terms come to mean completely different things then the word might imply
the economic libertarians COINED the term and they defined it as meaning “unregulated market’
you ARE using an incorrect term and promoting their depravity when you do it
sorry, you are misinformed and are using the wrong term, I will correct it EVERY time you use it
there is NO such thing as a free market and when you promote the term you are giving credibility to the rediculous concept economic libertarians try to snow us into
One good thing about getting rid of the mandate is that it upsets the carefully laid con of making us pay them extortion money for decent health care. They get all the costs and none of the benefits. Excellent. Another good thing about the Supreme Court tossing it is that that you have removed it as an alternative. Remember, the individual mandate was conjured up by the Repugs as their counter to the Employer mandate that Clinton was trying to use to effect universal health care and which would have been legal and more effective. Without that, none of the other Repug schemes comes anywhere close to universal healthcare. Now, I definitely do not believe this was any kind of Obama eleventy dimensional strategy in which he put this in because he magically knew the Supreme Court would rule it unconstitutional. Only the bots would be that moronic. No, this would just be the result of a lucky turn of events that happened to fall our way. But I do agree with the excerpt. If they ruled that the entire thing must be thrown out, Obama’s presidency would be a massive failure and then I think the bots would finally get what we’ve been so angry about. Why would you throw away every opportunity to effect real change, water down every proposal PREEMPTIVELY, offer the most middling of benefits because you always want to anticipate the Repugs arguments rather make bold counter-arguments against them, only to see it all evaporate in front of your eyes because you didn’t have enough faith in your own party’s ideas to fight for them and get them made into law? What would you have gained from that? NOTHING. It’s the squandering of such a pivotal moment and so much good will by a man that didn’t even believe his own campaign rhetoric about Hope and change that is the true tragedy of this administration.
That isn’t how Obama saw it. The mandate was a “win” from his perspective because it was part of a sweeping policy package, a Grand Plan for America. The fact that the Grand Plan involves the promise of permanent corporate servitude is an incidental from the politician’s POV.
I don’t think so cass, he had a win by promoting the public option, it enjoyed far more popularity then what he came up with, he included the mandate as a payment to the health insurance industry and he included it to them BEFORE negotiations began or even his campaign for health care
The deal with the insurers and hospitals was intended to insure another win — an election win in 2012. Obama thought he could keep them from campaigning against him if he gave them a mandate and took the public option off the table.
The standard political class perspective, enabled by the likes of Karl Rove, is that popularity (or rather its significant outcome, electoral victory) can be manufactured, and thus there is no overriding reason to appease the masses through policy.
I might add here that Obama’s “Plan B,” in case the PPACA did not pass, did not include a mandate. Policy can go either way; what’s important is winning. These people do not rise through the ranks as quickly as they do without the Little League mentality.
Issue is with wording. What I learnt in economy class is Free Market is where one Seller can choose any buyer who gives the right price for the good and/or service he wants to sell. The decision is entirely voluntary, between the two parties of their FREE choice. If the term is mis-used please there are lot more stated in MSM than this. For eg. Social Security is called Entitlements etc.
In multiple posts I mentioned Free Market or Market Economy has multiple weakness and we had laws and/or concepts to address it like Sherman Anti-Trust, Progressive Taxation, Estate Taxation, Glass Steagall Act, Social Security etc. So Regulations are a must to ensure buyers and sellers have a level field to have a valid best possible transaction for both of them.
Anyway textbooks refer to it as Free Market or Market economy but can use the latter word if the former word can be mis-used or mis-understood.
putting it that way I agree
I think both trains of thought work though, he is appeasing industry to get his win since he thinks they won’t campaing against him, I have always said he is a corporate tool playing for the other team
I think both views are correct
off to bed
all you need to do is post something in your words to the effect “when I say a free market I don’t mean an unregulated market”
then your post will be accurate, but whenever you talk about a free market in politics you ARE using a term defined by the libertarians who coined it and that term us talking about the rediculous myth of an unregulated market
off to bed
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Yes, you made my point, just another way. The mandate is not constitutional and no amount of posturing will make it constitutional.
The dems were horses’ asses to have agreed to it.
Its lack of severability should be fatal.
It is a lousy law that does little to stop the insane rise in health care costs. As long as insurance companies are in the mix, the profit motive will continue to drive up costs. Which is one reason I think the Thugs on the Supreme Court will be hesitant to find the individual mandate unconstitutional. That would leave as the only option the Medicare for all route, which means the government would be more involved in controlling costs. And if there is anything the Thugs hate, it is government control. I think they will see that the best resolution in terms of maintaining the insurance company status quo is to find the law constitutional. Watch. The insurance companies will dump trillions into advertising the benefits of the law.
Regardless of the Supreme Court ruling, the insurance mandate is a major fail for the Obama administration. I am lucky enough to have insurance through my employer; I have a lot of friends and neighbors who do not. Most of them do not have health insurance because they cannot afford it: when it comes down to paying for a month’s worth of groceries or paying premiums into a health insurance plan, guess which one they feel is more important?
The “Affordable” Care Act does nothing to make health care affordable, and everything to fatten the profit margin of the insurance companies. It is not progressive legislation, it is a fascist collusion between government and private enterprise.
The only way we will ever get affordable care in the United States is to join all other First World countries — and even a suprising number of Third World countries — and shut for-profit health insurance out of the game. There are options: a national health services like they have in the United Kingdom (similar to the VA system we already have), a single-payer insurance system like they have in Canada (similar to the Social Security system we already have), or a German style system where health insurance is a regulated non-profit industry operated for the people and not for shareholders and 7 figure salaries.
One humorous way to drive the point home is to set up a Tea Partiers for Obamacare front group (analogous to Billionaires for Bush – they’re patently insincere, and on the funny side) praising Obamacare as Mandatecare because it doesn’t raise taxes! A mandate, after all, is not the same thing as a tax! (Well, not exactly.)
They can have, as one of their purposes, clarify this issue in the public mind by educating their less informed Tea Party colleagues that a mandate is not a tax because, even though it has the force of law, payments are made directly to an American health insurance company! Not the government, like those damn socialists would have us do! This is the great American way – what’s not to like? You just fork over $1,400 / month to a private business entity like Aetna, completely bypassing the US government socialist IRS, and you’re good to go.
During the 08′ primary debate, then candidate Obama declared…”healthcare reform is no about forcing people to purchase costly health insurance they already cannot afford.” Instead America was leveraged into a servile relationship with health insurance corporations where we as citizens suffer punitive financial penalties levied by state revenue departments and IRS? This certainly is not reform. This is unconstitutional. It is more more like “fugitive slave laws,” designed to protect the the institution of slavery as we protect banks and walls street creeps at the expense of American’s liberties. How many folks realize BCBS is for tax law purposes a “tax exempt” public charity, which gets revenue from subscribers who are pigeon holed into corporate fucking servitude,under fear of tax penalty? Fuck the corporate scum and the politicians they fucking buy!
Instead of wasting over a billion dollars of economic value a day, right out our tail-pipes of America’s autos, making Exxon Mobile billions, America should wake up and smell the actual coffee, instead of being conditioned like Pavlov’s dog into wasting trillions of economic value going nowhere fast? A recipe for extinction since nothing which wastes 80% of its stored potential energy, or a persistent, “negative balance of trade,” can sustain itself!
“Most of them do not have health insurance because they cannot afford it: when it comes down to paying for a month’s worth of groceries or paying premiums into a health insurance plan, guess which one they feel is more important?”
I’d say buying gas for car comes first, after mandated auto insurance, excise tax and registration. Without transportation it’s difficult to even get to work, never mind purchase food…. so you can work and not starve to death? Servitude to corporate sucks. Like slave owners who hid behind the color of law, to exploit people for profit. Fugitive slave laws were designed to intimidate and protect the institution of slavery, not people denied rights for the economic benefit of the slave owner’s bottom line. Instead of reform we get a mandated life tax? Guess we are all treated as property now? Insurable just like Scott, considered property, for the benefit of who? A nation? Sure?
Actually, if you are against the individual mandate, you want Thomas on the court. He and O’Connor were the only dissenters in Gonzales v Raich
In many parts of the US, you can chose not to drive, and therefore chose not to carry the burden of auto insurance. I gave up my car years ago, and what used to be four months of auto insurance now gets me a bus pass good for an entire year.
There is no such choice with Obama’s mandated health insurance.