President Obama’s deficit speech may be viewed as the moment the Obama administration fully pivots away from trying to reach bipartisan compromise, to instead focusing on winning 2012 by bashing the Republican Party.
The first half of President Obama’s first term was marked by an obsession with reaching bipartisan compromise. Obama wasted an absurd amount of time trying to get bipartisan agreement for a health care bill, even after the effort was clearly hopeless. The President also tried repeatedly to get the GOP to sign on to a Grand Bargain on the deficit. He tried to do it using the Simpson-Bowles committee, then the Biden talks, and finally his direct negotiations with Speaker John Boehner over the debt ceiling deal. Not only did the attempts fail to produce the compromise Obama wanted, but trying and failing to reach compromise hurt Obama politically by making him look weak and ineffective.
The deficit plan Obama laid out is different from his past starting positions. It wasn’t a foolish attempt to possibly please the few remaining moderate Congressional Republicans, it was designed to win over the public. If you leave out the $1.1 trillion from the troop drawdowns and the $430 trillion billion in reduced interest payments that make the plan look bigger, it is effectively 50/50 cuts and new revenue: $1.5 trillion from tax reform and $1.78 trillion in spending cuts/increased efficiency. This is both more total new tax revenue and a greater percentage of revenue than any past plan Obama directly or indirectly hinted at supporting.
The new tax revenue comes from the popular idea of taxing the rich. The plan included the smart political phrases of the “Buffet Rule” and a new tax on those who earn more than a million a year, an emotionally pleasing round number that no one can argue doesn’t qualify as very rich. These ideas were more about polling testing than the best way to get revenue.
Even the veto threat in the speech, about not cutting Medicare benefits without tax increases on the rich, felt less about honestly trying to get the GOP to agree to taxes and more about advancing the narrative that the Republicans are totally inflexible.
In both tone and substance this speech was very much geared to the 2012 election. It was the first time Obama spoke about deficit reduction that felt as though his main goal was to simply make the obstructionist GOP look really bad, instead of preparing his base to accept major cuts to popular programs, or marginalizing his progressive critics.
While I think Obama still honestly wants a “Grand Bargain” so he can cut entitlements, this speech felt as though he has either given up hope that the GOP will ever give him that “victory,” or he realized that with his approval rating in the low 40s he can’t afford to endorse cuts to popular programs.




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I don’t care, I’m still not voting for him. He’s a dipshit.
The fact that Obama was practically forced into this due to incredibly failure of his previous plans is not reassuring.
agreed. He is getting much better press for the speech than the text of the speech deserves. Looking carefully at the first quarter of the speech, he must have mentioned our terrible “debt” & “deficit” problems a half dozen times. I will begin to give a shit what he says when he starts out the first quarter of a speech by attacking “disgusting greed” & “un-American billionaires” a dozen times.
You have to remember too that he wants to foreolose a primary or 3rd party challenge. I’m not confident about where he’ll go once he’s convinced there will be no challenge and for that matter where he’ll go in a second term.
I have ZERO confidence in his zeal to protect entitlements and who believes he’s really going to let the Bush tax cuts expire? Is this just bait and switch?
Assume you meant $430 billion or million?
As I saw someone else comment elsewhere. Anything that keeps him away from the negotiating table…
Obama is toast.
I’m with Fractal!
I won’t hit you again, honey. I promise.
Even the veto threat in the speech, about not cutting Medicare benefits without tax increases on the rich, felt less about honestly trying to get the GOP to agree to taxes and more about advancing the narrative that the Republicans are totally inflexible.
Yeah, but it’s a veto threat in support of more “grand bargain” bullshit.
The grand bargain is his goal. If they won’t do it in a bipartisan way, then he’ll try to coerce them into it.
Damn that guy really wants to gut the safety net.
Good catch. Should be billion Thanks.
The previous attempts at ‘compromise’ by O tell you all you need to know about O. Don’t buy it.
It sounded to me like David Shuster and his guests today were all set to jump back on the Obama bandwagon and were saying “progressives” in the country were ready to embrace him again. Even though they conceded that the last two years have sucked ass, they are swallowing the whole “changed man” myth. Hook. Line. and Sinker.
To mangle a euphemism, Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice….then I’m a dumbass!
Fool me once, etc.
Obama conveniently mouths words that the left wants to hear, but when he’s in a position to enact those words, he delivers to his corporate sponsors cutting secret deals that stab ordinary citizens in the back.
Unless and until Democratic politicians start talking publicly about campaign finance reform and public financing of elections, ending corporate personhood, and ending the government-to-lobbying revolving door, I consider them all to be two-faced liars on the take.
http://www.bgladd.com/CaveManPlan.jpg
As is Michael Moore and Rachel Maddow on her show tonight – Moore is positively giddy, in a swoon over Obama’s words today.
Oh god. How predictable.
You know, I keep going back to the piece of the Debt Ceiling Bill, S. 365:
[emphasis added.]
This is the baseline position that Obama already agreed to; two sets of rules. Cuts are automatically approved, and new revenue must go to the House like a normal new revenue bill.
Ain’t gonna happen.
The second rule of public political speech: Whatever is said, the opposite is true. Taxing the rich and protecting entitlements will mean at least status quo tax relief for the rich and robbing SS and MM.
Obama is interested only in the facade of compromise and Grand Bargains. Other than his rhetoric, is there evidence to the contrary?
…it is effectively 50/50 cuts and new revenue….
ummm – yippee?
now O’s getting big credit for
spinning his wheelsbreaking even.almost.
we are mightily fucked.
Thank you, Margaret. Excellent. I’m stealing it from here forth.
To anyone who thinks that we’re looking at a “new” Obama, who is finally going to get on the progressive train and bring the big, bad, republicans to heel; I have one request:
Please tell us how he is going to get real reform legislation passed; on any given issue.
Only a few short weeks ago, in the middle of the deficit hysteria, he tried to call Boehner 4 times in one day to “negotiate”. Not only did Boehner refuse to take his calls, he also didn’t return them.
Historically, if you’re the Speaker of the House and the preznint calls, you PICK UP! I don’t care if you’re the president of the “Jefferson Davis Admiration Society”; you pick the fuck up.
That Boehner wouldn’t do it, spoke more, and spoke more honestly, about just how much clout Obama has left, than all of the words that were babbled in the Great Deficit debate. He basically said to Obama:
“Mr. preznint, you can go shit in your hat, for all I care. Any fight you might want to APPEAR to pick with us, we will win. Politically speaking, we own your ass. But, it’s too early to put up billboards to that effect. If we do that, you’ll get some sympathy. We’ll just wait and ride the anger and desperation that your sustaining so many republican policies has brought to the american voters, and then, about mid-campaign, we will be in a position of such power, that we can decide if WE want you to run again, to ensure a GOP win, or if we want to make you appear as the total sellout that you are, and probably have to face a new and less-tarnished-by-failure democrat. But it will be our call. Not yours.”
The notion that americans will rally to Obama’s side because he’s begun SPEAKING the truth about republicans and their policies, just as he spoke it in the 2008 campaign, is, I believe, so much horseshit. As one voter who supported him enthusiastically, I would say that at this point talk is very, very, cheap…and since all he can do IS talk, we need a fresh start, even if it means that the GOP takes back the White House.
After all, the results of their wretched ideas and policies (so many of them ascribed to by Obama…) are still going to be coming home to roost. It might as well be the GOP in the hen-house, when they start piling in.
Somewhat OT, I think I first heard about “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me” on Star Trek. Scotty, I think. I also believe it was Scotty (in the Kahn episode with Ricardo Montalban) who admitted being weak on Milton, so Kirk sorta defended Khan, “To reign is worth ambition, though in hell” from Paradise Lost.
I’m sure you or one of the good Doctors can correct my errors in this post: But it’s all about power isn’t it, even if it’s hell?
In response, “Jim” Perry is firing up the secessionist yacht.
What. Jon. Said.
Barack Obama is a political chameleon and reactionary of the worst kind. He will only do the right thing; that is, even SAY the right thing (it’s much too late to do them…) when the results of his compulsive caving to the republicans, are threatening to put him in history’s dustbin, after winning an historical opportunity to make the changes that we so badly needed.
Campaign rhetoric is not going to save him, and it shouldn’t.
Michael Moore, predictable as sunrise. I don’t trust Obama, but there’s a tiny chance he is changing course a bit. He’s in office and we can see if he walks the walk now, unlike last election campaign. If he pulls the same shit and we end up with a shit sandwich, he’s toast, no matter what his shills on TV try to tell people.
The whole thing is a con job.
Obama wants the wealthy to pay more taxes? Where was that idea 10 months ago when Obama could have just sat on his ass and let BushCo’s tax cuts expire? But that was the whole problem – Obama needed to wait until the GOPers took over the House, or in plain English, till higher taxes on the wealthy had no chance in hell of actually being passed. That way he can huckster himself as a progressive while continuing to whore for his wealthy donors.
It’s a replay of the Dems Rx reimportation kabuki.
Well after being rolled by Hitler at Munich Neville Chamberlain finally wised up and it was he who declared war on Germany on Sept 1st 1939. Maybe Obama has finally woken up too.
You nailed it, Margaret. The new script is this:
“Oh, look at the president! Isn’t he trying really hard to do the good things that we need done. And the big, bad, republicans just won’t let him. All he needs is a second term, and it will be ice cream and pie for dinner, for progressives and democrats.”
Which ignores the fact that his coattails in 2012 are going to be as toxic as the ebola virus.
Damn, I truly expected more from Moore.
Maybe Obama has finally woken up too.
I’m snickering as politely and quietly as I can, goddammit….
Better to reign in Hell, than to serve in Heaven. Don’t underestimate the power of words. All over America, there are putative liberals falling in love, again. Clinton worked that magic, Obama will, too.
Chamberlain’s true act of wisdom and courage was stepping aside for Churchill. Obama could profit by his example.
Yes, which is why I keep saying to those who believe Obama is a nice guy just making the best of a bad deal left to him by BushCheneyRepublicans that they’re deluding themselves.
It was another classic, standard effort of Obama kicking the can down the road, already making the deal (cuts) but leaving the revelation by citizens (that not only did Obama agree to extending Bush’s tax cuts to the rich, but also cutting Medicare, and all without any revenue increases) to months down the road. Then the paid trolls will flood the media and websites with talking points that “this is all old news, move on, stop whining!”.
Imagine an Obama 2nd term, given how much of a wimp he’s been thus far.
I recognize your site from a link you left at e.w. a long time ago. I’m interested if you’ve evaluated Obamas speeches and if so, can you share what you’ve determined in your professional capacity?
Moderator: Offensive racist graphic.
He’ll finally get that Grand Bargain. He’s hanging on for a second term to ensure his place, as he sees it, in history. I believe the word is deluded. As deluded as Bush.
Bullshit.
Yup. Good cop con round two. It’s still got a lot of life left in it, especially in the face of the pool of Rep candidates. And if I had serious power and money and were after SS, why would I want the Good Cop to go away? But we’ll have to see what the TV tells people to believe to find out if Obama’s words will save him. Moore and Maddow, as vanguard, suggests the pretty words will throw trump.
Moderator: post # 16 has racist jpg.
Crybaby.
And then he resigned.
I doubt Obama will follow Chamberlain’s lead.
really? what do you think is racist about it?
Grow up. It’s just a cartoon play on words, and is accurate in reciting his history of caving on issues.
I believe Obama will win a second term, because the Republican field is so incredibly weak. So we face the prospect of reelecting a failed president. A president who does not advance anything remotely progressive or, indeed, in line with what the majority of the American people want. This will further dispirit and depress the country, next November, as we lurch forward to the next four years. Bad times.
The Donald Loometh.
http://www.bgladd.com/DonaldDiplomat.jpg
Obama is so weak that he is almost irrelevant now. Just going through the motions.
That’s the pickle we’re in this country without having come to terms with our background. Criticism of Obama can be construed as racist, and will be considered as endemic to the ‘white collective mind’. Don’t let him put you on the defensive.
Is this “racist” as well?
http://www.bgladd.com/Obamas3stooges.jpg
Agreed.
“…his main goal was to simply make the obstructionist GOP look really bad, instead of …marginalizing his progressive critics.”
The problem is that I simply don’t believe anything he says any more. Three years of weaseldom doesn’t just go away after a nice speech.
PS. It doesn’t help that I can’t stand to listen to him anymore either.
Spock was the one who didn’t get the Milton reference. Kahn asked Kirk if he’d ever read Milton, Kirk said “I understand” and Spock asked Kirk to clarify. He said, “It’s better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven”.
Hey, Charlie Brown, I’m holding the ball for you. And all you policy wonks get caught up in the details of Obama’s campaign rhetoric and forget the past three years. This is all just cynical posturing and the only thing that will come from it is another betrayal.
Anyone who wants to accuse this cracker of racism has another thought coming.
http://open.salon.com/blog/bobbyg/2009/06/24/richard_nixon_wanted_my_daughter_aborted
LOL. Short, sweet and to the point.
It’s no more racist than the “Even a cave man could do it” insurance commercial.
Obama CAVES. Get it? It has to do with his behavior. Race is irrelevant to the impact of that political cartoon.
I think the left is getting a little too comfortable believing how batshit crazy the Republicans are. Just like how Democrats lean left in primary season then put a cold dagger between our back in the general, the Republicans are doing the same thing. Don’t read too much into their crazy crap right now. Sure, they’ll be sucking at the teet of the MOTU, but it’s not like Obama and the Democrats don’t do that already.
Once the primary is over, it will get a lot more scary. They’ll sound a little more sane. It is either them or the lying liar Obama.
Didn’t Nader just say that he was going to get a primary challenge for Obama going? God I hope so.
For the record, whiner:
http://www.bgladd.com/Obama/
In response to jayt @ 32
Thanks a lot!!! I now have Pepsi all over my keyboard!!!!!
Thank you. I was at first gonna use one of those GEICO commercial graphics, but I’m short on time these days.
The best thing, maybe the only memorable thing, I ever heard Doris Kearns Goodwin say, during Bush’s first campaign when a moderator raised the issue of what kind of president any of the candidates would make, was, “If you want to know what someone will be like, look at what they’ve been. People don’t change very much.” Not professional historian, but common sense right on. Obama’s modus operandi has always been to promise whatever the people he’s talking to now want, but operate for his own advantage. A lot of verbiage and as little action as he could contrive. Status quo with a little decorative stitching around the edges. That’s why he voted Present something like 137 times in the Illinois senate. Tom Buffenbarger nailed him: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2010/12/08/we_are_all_tom_buffenbarger_now.html
When I looked at that, I thought that it was a pun about Obama constantly caving in, not that he was somehow less sophisticated than Caucasian people. What are you thinking about?
I gotta argue 1 point – he is not a dipshit – he’s a very smart, very deliberate, very convincing lying sell out.
oh, by the way – after the bullshit of the last 2.9 years, he can kiss my ass, too.
rmm
That’s what I see. Obama will eke out a weak, maybe even plurality, second term. Then the real toxic sludge hits the national fan.
“I’m tellin’ Mommmmeeeeee…!!!”
Thank you!
I doubt it. This is a man who used overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate to extend the Bush tax cuts.
“A president who does not advance anything remotely progressive or, indeed, in line with what the majority of the American people want.”
It seems this has been the case with every President since Reagan and maybe since JFK. Perhaps only the collapse of the empire will change this.
The DEM ELITE, are scared to death at losing their little house of KABUKI, ie the DEM Party
Union membership has all but left the Dem Party (Union Leadership is trying to save face with Dem Leadership)
Progressives hate OBAMA and all Blue Dog Dems
Hispanics hate OBAMA
When the DEM elite look around, they saw their political party falling a part!
Sounds like some DEM ELITES have told OBAMA enough of the TROJAN HORSE act, because our political followers are leaving in us in record numbers!
The ELITES do not want a 3rd party, or the idea of a 3rd party catching any steam, and it is, with UNIONs and PROGRESSIVES leaving the DEM party? will UNIONS and PROGRESSIVES wake up and dump the DEM party, the DEM elites fear this!
today we see OBAMA preaching that FDR religion, not so much to save his politcal career, but to save the DEM ELITE play house, the DEM PARTY for RICH PEOPLE.
the 23 DEM senators up for election in 2012, saw their careers coming to an end! Losing the Weiner seat in New York, scared the hell out of some Senators.
Cutting Social Security! would have ended the current Dem Party as we knew it, and open up a PANDORA BOX of hell for Dem Elites
Thanks for the link. I had not seen that. “Shadow boxer” indeed. That’s maybe the best description yet.
I may be wrong, but I believe the last thing that crawled out of Pandora’s Box was Hope.
(Curse? Blessing?)
Returning to topic, I think Obama is trying to ‘frame’ the debate for the 2012 elections, that’s all. Nice talk. He can speechify nicely. Don’t buy it.
Yeah it was disgusting wasn’t it?
Obama will turn all folksy and act like he cares about the people during the campaign, just like he did in the first election. Then in the Lame Duck he will screw the old and working people like they’ve never been screwed before, just as he was hired to do and as he has done so far. Stock up on lube if he wins again.
I feel exactly like you folks feel about Obama’s grand betrayal. So what is your plan? Don’t vote and let Romney or Perry get elected. There will be no third party candidate. Maybe Obama is starting to get it. I thought his line it’s not class warfare “it’s math” was pretty cool. I did not feel this way untill his recent speech. My wife is right. We have no choice.
Also predictable is the Washington Post’s Ezra Klein on MSNBC noting that Obama still supports GOP economists Hubbard’s idea that job one is lower marginal tax rates for the rich because low marginal rates means the economy takes off – and no one on the program pulling out a chart of annual job gains versus the marginal rates over the years since WW2 – where high marginal rates and high job gains just seem to go together. So the GOP has the offer – a grand bargain if they accept pretend loophole closing they get lower tax rates on the rich with a tear down into welfare status with lower benefits for the Social Security and Medicare programs.
You always have a choice. My choice is to try to find someone I can vote for, but failing that, as I think probable, I will write in. I believe it’s collusive, enabling, to reward bad behavior. You may not mean it that way, but having known a few really bad actors, I can tell you from experience that that is how it will be taken. And the bad actor will proceed from that with a boldness and sense of mandated purpose that will astound you. If you aren’t already at least somewhat taken aback at Obama’s shameless lying. Whatever you want to hear that gets him what he wants, with the Past Speeches Are Not a Guarantee of Future Performance boilerplate warning.
http://coreyrobin.com/2011/08/01/572/ Well worth reading.
I saw the same show and got the same conclusion. I haven’t had much respect for Rachel for sometime, but tonight Michael Moore just joined her. It’s no wonder progressives are loosing so badly, with the likes of such democrats, how can we ever be successful?
Shuster, Tweety and many other pundit clowns continue to propulgate the O’ministration’s propaganda campaign while continuing to lump the Big O’s liberal base that got him elected with progressives who also helped him but have since wised up. Watch out for those who falsely claim to be progressive. It’s like watching Christine O’Donnell saying, “I’m one of you.”
listen to what Obama said..no MEdicare cuts unless taxes are upped…this is the “Mini Grand Bargain” He is still willing to throw SRs into a private system for a few more tax increases…gee I am really glad to see Obama fighting for us barf…MSNBC was going wild with glee last night even Mr Moore was smiling…Guys listen what Obama is saying and stop hoping and listen to this: OBAMA IS NOT WITH YOU and HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU! GOT IT?
Is it better to have an ineffective obama as president, who GIVES the republicants what they want (and therefore shares the blame) or is it better to have a republicant president who hopefully could be blocked by dems (fewer and fewer dems with such convictions these days though I am afraid), but if not, at least gets the blame put openly and squarely on the republicants? A tea-party wacko might be the short-term solution!
OMG did you ever lay it out in very simple terms. This is exactly the scenario……and rightfully so. You have made my day ..now I feel that the message is truly getting out there.