The threat to Medicare is very real and pressing. Over the past several months more and more political forces in Washington have being slowly lining up behind a campaign to raise the Medicare eligibility age. This most recent effort really got started when Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Tom Coburn (R-OK) put forward a bill to raise the Medicare retirement age in late May.
It got a major push in July when Obama privately offered it up as part of a “grand bargain” on the debt ceiling with Speaker John Boehner. It probably got another push in Obama’s jobs speech last night when the president suggested he still wants to change Medicare in a way “some in his party” won’t like.
The campaign also got a behind-the-scenes boost this week. First, the Democratic members of the House Ways and Means committee included raising the Medicare retirement age in a memo to the Super Committee outlining possible deficit reduction options. But more importantly, the powerful American Hospital Association came out in favor of it.
From Politico:
The American Hospital Association has a strategy for heading off any more Medicare payment cuts: Tell Congress to get the money from Medicare beneficiaries instead. The association is urging its nearly 5,000 members to lobby Congress to raise the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67, in addition to other money-saving alternatives, according to spokeswoman Marie Watteau.
It is no surprise the hospital industry wants to see the change. Raising the Medicare retirement age means old people will be forced to buy overpriced private insurance instead. Private insurance pays hospitals more than Medicare because they lack Medicare’s market power. It is one of the few ways to cut the government’s Medicare spending while increasing profits for the health care industry — at the expense of older Americans.
We are seeing a convergence of deficit hysteria, a Democratic president who wants to have a “Nixon goes to China moment” with Medicare and powerful corporate lobbyists in pursuit of bigger profits.
Medicare is in serious danger and so is your wallet. This move will not just hurt those near retirement but would mean higher premiums for everyone on Medicare and millions of with private insurance.
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When Nixon went to China, it was a good thing, even though contra his party. if Obama raises Medicare age, it will be a very bad thng, and against his party’s supposed principles. He shouldn’t be praised for being like Nixon.
that is how Obama sees his actions
Jon, think you meant in the lead “eligibility” instead of “retirement.” Minor quibble. Good article.
I don’t remember ever feeling this helpless. Medicare is very important to me and millions of others. I have been around a long time and never voted for a Republican in my life. But I may change my vote in ’12. It doesn’t seem to matter any more if it’s a Dem or a Repub so why not. My long term goal is to see the Dems get really smacked so that they will learn a lesson. Maybe I’ll help in that.
Obama has been after Social Security and Medicare since the day he was sworn in. More money for the insurance CEOs.
This is just disgusting. I still have a hard time believing it’s actually happening.
They’re already screwing around with current Medicare recipients as they’ve changed the open enrollment period for this year. The enrollment period for 2012 Part D Plans will begin on October 15, 2011 and end on December 7, 2011. This is a change from years past when you were able to enroll between November 15 and December 31.
A lot of current Seniors are going to miss this change – and it’ll cost them in the form of a late enrollment penalty; which is added to their Part D premium.
Our government hates us.
That’s okay. I’m hating them right back.
I wouldn’t personalize this about Obama. Making it all about Obama is the mirror image of how his supporters deified him in 2008. The President is pursuing this program of repealing 20th century worker protections and guarantees because it is now the consensus in the ruling elite.
If this sounds abstract, then note all the Democratic congressmen who also support reforms to “strengthen”, that is weaken, Medicare. At this point it extends well beyond Blue Dogs and prairie state party conservatives. Then consider how the Republican party is universally in favor of destroying Medicare. Then remember that a majority of Americans are opposed to cutting Medicare. If electoral interests are not the motive forces here, and they clearly are not, we know what are: the interests and demands of the ultra-rich. The corporate elite believes the middle class has not suffered enough from 40 years of stagnation, the destruction of labor unions, and the current depression. They want more.
Like I said before, the a-holes are licking their lips in anticipation of raising SS to 70 and Medicare to 67. Lieberfascist is an evil Kochsucker. And OilyBumblerBomber, ya know, can’t wait either.
O-Bushma is all too happy to sacrifice the welfare of our sick and poor and old on the corporate alter where he worships. The clear and obvious fact is that both the Liarcrats and the Refiblicans are really after the same things.
Yes, this makes us all feel helpless. But it must be even worse for people who will fall into this fucking trap. Imagine Zero will “negotiate” to get some part of his plan in return for this?
I take it that if it passes it will be immediately? In other words, if you are anything less than 67, then you would have to wait even if you are 64? And if you are 65 or 66, you get kicked off? Nice.
Pretty steep learning curve at democratic headquarters these days. Looks like they need another wake-up call though. Many said Ted Kennedy was the “heart” of the party. Perhaps they were right. These guys are useless and clueless.
And it really started by St Ronnie and the John Birch Society…
This is not the same country I served in the 60′s…We have been led astray by thew right wing corporatists!
Lesser of two evils? Who do you have in mind? The fucks are all evil.
I have to think this is his plan. He will give something else of value to us away in an effort to make it look like a negotiation.
The old heads they win, tails we lose.
The Beetle Juice Obots under the tutelage of John King Cole will, of course, drone on about the emo-proggers and purists who whine about Osterity killing off SS and Medicare.
What’s happened is that tons of former Repugs (King Cole) are now Dems which is pulling the party even further reich.
obama has been trying to gut ss since before his presidency
this man needs to be un-elected as soon as possible
Does seem like political elections are becoming a “which testicle would you like to get in” affair.
“get HIT in”
You know, if this isn’t true general strike material, nothing is. At a certain point, if we don’t stand up and say enough, and not be willing to sit back down, we won’t have enough of the basics of life left to be able to sustain a strong, prolonged fight.
There must be a way to get masses of organizations together to fight this thing. Surely there is a way?
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa crap.
Reign in costs!!!! muthafuckas. Get rid of the insurance companies rather than killing more old people. No moral compass anywhere in the political system.
The other night after the big speech, I saw the most prosperous political elite in history shaking each others hands, laughing and patting themselves on the back. All the while, they know they are killing us. THEY KNOW IT. It is their goal to murder Americans.
Then they are going to grind up our bones for fertilizer.
Those millionaire elected fucks. They aren’t fit to wipe our shoes.
Why should I worry as long as they don’t mess too much with current recipients, who incidentally vote in large numbers? If the younger people are stupid enough to not look out for their own interests let them get who gets voted for./s
Only problem this strategy counts on that the money is all that motivates people . Even those of us without children do actually altruistically care about what happens to the world after we exit.
Is Limbaugh still making fun of liberals for talking about “for the children?”
When I was a kid, I thought that millionaires were owed some respect. They worked hard, etc. But today, the definition of a millionaire or a billionaire is someone who is willing to let others die so that they can stuff more money in a secret hole in the wall somewhere or buy another second/third/fourth home.
Another “Brownie” moment. Heckavajob they’re doin’. Workin’ hard.
Ranjit…exactly. But, in a way it DOES specifically reflect upon the President. It indicates that he is only concerned about the ruling elite and their opinions, not the consequences to our country or the citizens as a whole. That is his choice and it reflects a lack of real leadership for the entire country.
And I realize we are both talking emotionally and know that not every person who has amassed some wealth is intrinsically evil. But I truly believe, and I am not a religious believer, that each of us in many ways is our brother’s keeper.
I think it borders on immorality to posess the staggering amount of wealth that the top .01 – 1% of this nation holds.
No person or corporation drops down onto the United States from another planet or country fully formed and financed. Everything that these obscenely rich individuals and companies own they cobbled together somehow from the resources, natural and human, that reside in the United States of America.
This country and its people made them. The people deserve a share.
Hmmm. Grinding up our bones seem so…humane for their ilk. No, they’ll have to come up with some scheme to insult us more. Jerks.
((YSD))
Hey there. My 30 was for your 23. Stupid database error won’t let me edit.
Howard Zinn says that we the people have a power that governments can’t suppress. I think now is the time to test that and start organizing.
Senate and House retirements and health insurance take millions away from the fed coffers. Time to raise the retirement age for all politicians. Also the military pensions.
Ya mean we are good for something??? Not quit what the Nazi’s did but a close second and on a much larger population!! Oh yeah you did say fertilizer didn’t ya, must be a shortage so they will corner the market on the fresh stuff made from the old and infirmed!!
At every opportunity, vote out every incumbent. We have passed the point where this will have much effect against the on-going agenda, but it may cause a slowdown to our ruin and in that window of time a clearer path of effective citizen action may arise.
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bamaCan you imagine what this piece of garbage will do in a second term — with a republican House and Senate?
hadn’t even arrived there yet – but boy does that have a rather loud ring of truth to it — damn
Obama doesn’t care about seniors who are middle class.
They are “lesser people,” according to Simpson, his buddy on the original pussy food commission.
Scarecrow has just been on this trailride and knows from personal experience how it happens.
I know the Tar Sands pipeline is of massive importance, and the degradation it will
potentiallycause is going to be massive.Medicare, though, is going to resonate differently and more deeply because of the immediate, tangible effects that will be experienced. Of course, oil in your drinking water is pretty tangible and immediate, on EDIT)
I think we would have more potential for involvement, rightly or wrongly, for a protest about Medicare. We need a way to take hostages at the network and cable newsrooms and give progressives 24 hour coverage. Sort of like a telethon, but with handcuffs.
They already do that. I’m sure you’ve read about the scandals in various large funeral/burial home organizations. I expect it won’t be long until anyone making less than $250,000 a year is mandated to become SOYLENT GREEN.
they are already fucking with military pensions !
and if Super Committee follows Cat Food I as expected, active military is going to pay a lot more for their care
Water, energy, transportation: scapegoating.
Health care, banking: arrogance
Many guilty beyond the people held up front.
Edie Magnuson simply accepted walking out of sight after
reporting not the slightest sign of wreckage, Flight 93.
with ZERO concerns about re-election -
I agree and the sooner the better. We need to get some people on Countdown (although I wasn’t to please with Keith’s assessment of O’s speech)and maybe use twitter and Facebook to spread the articles and proof of what is about to happen. I am open to ideas. I live in Missouri hard to get people to think for themselves and organize.
Since this doc has been scrubbed by most sites – it’s the doc in Michael Moore’s Capitalism from Citigroup – I wanted to make sure it was here for everyone to read. Slightly o/t here but not really – https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BzgUudifBc68ZGUyNzA0MzAtZDZkZC00ZmZjLTkwY2ItNzBlZWRmNjI1ZTNm&hl=en_US
I regret the comment I made above. That happened in concentration camps, and we are not in light years in any way compared to that.
That was a thoughtless and ill advised comment and I apologize.
They are going to grind us down into the ground if we let them. on EDIT
They are going to grind us down into the ground if we let them.
They are starting to totally screw with the military – IMO, perhaps not the best group to screw around with – and I hope the military rises up about it.
Rs couldn’t achieve a permanent majority, so Ds will compromise and do it for them.
oh and, bt-f-w,
with reports of both privatizing and fucking with Military Pensions, DOD and Pentagon had their hands full trying to refute it to active and veteran families – ‘no immediate plans, blah blah blah’
but then look what Panetta said the day after the storm died down:
but wait, there’s more: Admiral Mullen:
sounds disgustingly familiar don’t it ?
Well, lets just hope they remember the correct order: Rape. Pillage. Then Burn.
That was supposed to be snark, but you know…
I like how Boehner and Obama keep floating the “cutting SS and Medicare to save them” spin, and it never gets repeated by the loyalists on either side – just ignored. Also, it’s really creeping to see unified messaging coming out of both parties like that. Even though it’s not effective.
Funny how unified the elites *actually* are. Funny how the elites are always *claiming* to be so far apart ideologically.
The Uniparty.
This is un fucking real.
Where is a bar of soap. The inside of my mouth is just plain soiled this evening.
some links for those not aware that bad changes are afoot for the military – (can’t find the article I saw on making them pay for health insurance) -
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/15/eveningnews/main20092652.shtml
http://www.stargazette.com/article/20110819/VIEWPOINTS02/108190302/Military-retirement-overhaul-full-flaws?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs
And they just this week reduced pensions for low income veterans in nursing homes – guess all their service for the country doesn’t mean that much –
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/09/military-house-committee-passes-jobs-bill-for-veterans-090811/
The Super Congress will allow public access to their deliberations. That is a piece of good news. The rich and priveledged take all the powers we allow them. Americans have not fought that definitely. October 6 WDC rally http://www.starsoverwashington.com/…/rally-in-dc-freedom-square-oct-6-. Is one event that some can go to. Usely the impact of deprivation gets a response after the fact. I see a lot of malcontent over SS and Medicare and Medicaid now. Most of the social workers have already been involved in marches.
Some of the comments reflect an attitude of helplessness which seems inappropriate. Check around for local organization and get involved.
Anyone know this one? http://hq.nolabels.org/page/s/i-will-commit
Total silence from the CPC:
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/
Either we cut costs by confronting pharma, the docs, etc.( = campaign donors), or we fuck the little people out of their benefits.
Bet ya can’t guess which way the whores in DC will go.
They look really, really rightwing.
Looks like their barber got even with them.
Yes. That’s why I cannot bear to watch ANY of those sh*ts anymore. They are, one & all, such skeevy creepy lying CROOKS, all the while laughing their frickin @sses off while they rape, plunder & pillage the small people. Such a huge bunch of self-congratulatory _________________s, preening themselves about, smugly satisfied that they got THEIRS, and the rest of the rubes can get stuffed.
There is no “lesser of 2 evils” anymore with our political system. One & all they are all corrupt vultures, completely amoral sick sociopaths.
Unless US citizens wake up, however, the pillaging will commence apace. Does anyone actually think that citizens will wake up to protest the rip off our Medicare & Soc Sec? There was already one apologist today adjuring me that Medicare just “had to be fixed…” yadda yadda.
And so: on it goes….
What, you expected something from the CPC? They might say something (or they might not), but they always get with the program at the end.
Yes that’s a great find. I had entirely forgotten about it. Of course they count on such short memory spans.
Here the link is again:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BzgUudifBc68ZGUyNzA0MzAtZDZkZC00ZmZjLTkwY2ItNzBlZWRmNjI1ZTNm&hl=en_US
Everyone should carefully read this. It is as clear a blueprint for the modern day aristocracy as can be imagined.
Excellent advice. But Obama is the front man and he wanted that position.
onit wrote: “There is no “lesser of 2 evils” anymore with our political system.”
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Boy you got THAT right. It’s more of a “which testicle would you like to get hit in” kinda option.
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I’ve always found that a difficult dilemma.
I think I have a solution to this mess.
The democrats say “everything is on the table”.
Let’s steal the f**king table. why have we not thought of this before now?
Yeah, I know it’s been said a gazillion times, but look at the progressive stuff Nixon actually worked for–expansion of the Great Society for one, earned income tax credit and/or a national minimum income, and he actually proposed a national health insurance program which the dems were too wrapped up in Vietnam to consider.
I personalize this about Obama because the campaign he ran, the promises he made and the way he took on the mantle of first black president led his supporters to believe that he was about to preside on a historic change of course after 8 years of Bushism. “Change we can believe in.” How were people to interpret that? That the change he intended was a move to the right of Bush? A more comprehensive genuflection to the elites? Of course not. The assumption millions made was that as a young black man and a Democrat the change he meant must be a progressive one. after a campaign apprently facing leftwards, as soon as he took office he turned his back on the left, on his supporters, and marched off to the luxurious and exclusive retreats of the robber barons. I didn’t vote for O but his colossal betrayal of those who believed in him is hard not to be emotional about.
That’s rich. Everything concerning the decimation of the social safety net is on the table.
Impeachment during the Bush years? Off the table.
Can someone please tell the Democratic Party who they are *supposed* to represent?
I am scared to death. I desperately need my medicare that I paid into for my whole life. Medicare was enacted in 1965 — the same year I graduated from high school and took my first job. I am now retired and hanging on by my fingernails until I turn 65. I made all my life plans based on the premise that I would have reasonable insurance costs at 65. It’s too late for me to press the reset button and postpone retirement or make any other life changes.
I am a life-long democrat and I voted for Obama (Hilary first). If he raises medicare, he will definitely throw the election because many will not vote for him again no matter what. He is counting on our support in 2012 and is positioning himself as the lesser of two evils. He is very much mistaken. I will NOT vote for him, I will vote for his evil twin, the swaggering, bat-crazy red-neck from Texas. Why the hell not?
I was never crazy about Biden, but he looks better all the time. How do we get Obama to step down?
Both parties are puppets, serving the same wealthy elite. Their bosses win no matter if you vote Rep or Dem, and the puppets get paid off, too, whether they win or lose.
If you really want to send a message, vote for a third party–any third party–or write someone in. Better yet, take you complaints straight to the power brokers–the transnational corporations. Trying to get what you want from the politicians is like expecting the WalMart greeter to settle your gripe about store services.
I am voting “none of the above” as a write in candidate… I can say I didn’t support the system and I am sending a message,,,don’t support any of them!!
Zero’s compromise will be that everyone has to accept cuts – Dems get cuts to Social Security and Medicare; Repugs get more tax cuts.
Voters need to learn to think several steps ahead, like the plutocracy does in manipulating them. The strategy here is obvious. First, they drastically cut Social Security coverage for younger people. Then, they stir up resentment among younger people, dividing them from older voters. This is already happening via the “Social Security is a Ponzi scheme” rhetoric. It aims to convince younger people that they are paying for a luxurious retirement for older people that they can never enjoy. Once they have succeeded in turning young people against their elders, the plutocracy will go after the benefits of retirees in earnest.
I will be 61 next year and my plans about retirement and health insurance have followed yours.
Good luck to you .. . . . . er, to both of us . . . . . er, to the millions of Americans in our shoes.
Unless you’ve got money, you’re not worth anything. Just another cog in the machine, just like that old Charlie Chaplin movie.
Someone posted a bit about the dangers of resentment recently. How about deep, visceral hate?
I’m not a fan of personalizing it on Obama too much because it helps foster the illusion that the next Democratic candidate is likely to be much better. He or she might be marginally better, but without the emergence of major social movements and a resurgence of labor, we’re not going to get a President from either party opposed to cutting Medicare and Social Security, let alone one in favor of things like single-payer, public works programs, and a withdrawal from the Middle East.
http://my.firedoglake.com/papau/2011/07/30/obama-panel-end-military-fixed-pensions-have-savings-accounts-only/
Seems FDL reported on this before KOS – and without the “this is the positive” of the Obama idea POV
Yeah, at work today I heard the meme re SS is a Ponzi scheme. The corporatists are pretty smart.
http://my.firedoglake.com/papau/2011/07/30/obama-panel-end-military-fixed-pensions-have-savings-accounts-only/
Seems FDL reported on this before KOS – and without the “this is the positive” of the Obama idea POV
Cthulhu?
Is there some way we can get the same changes applied to Congressional health and pension plans?
ROFL. Good one. It’s a 2 tier system. The rich fucks and us. Guess, who wins?
Yup, that’s how I feel. Since the the Dems want to embrace Republican ideas and talking points, then lets go all the way and just elect Republicans. “Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.” Harry S. Truman
The entire deficit hysteria is a massive ruse.
The goal is to destroy the New Deal through bankruptcy, destroy unionized labor, and slash every domestic program until they’re an empty shell.
Perfectly primed for the private sector to sweep in and exploit.
There wasn’t a bit of worry about paying for Bush tax cuts, multi wars, foreign aid, or anything related to the Pentagon. We’re in more wars than ever right now.
Banks have destroyed millions of lives but they’ve gotten trillions in “loans” in our names and corporations like Exxon and GE don’t even pay taxes anymore. Yet there’s Obama’s crying about their unfair tax burden.
What BALLS! All the while he’s calling the shots and picking us clean and calling it shared sacrifice.
Well, FUCK Obama and all the rats in Congress. They’re the ones that are shoving this shit down our throats after years of their brutal policies against American labor. Bullshit.
They’re all disciples of Grover Norquist IMHO.
Criminal millionaire’s out for themselves.
One thing you-all are missing in this. The Health Insurance Industry does NOT want people over 65 on their rolls. Health insurance companies backed Medicare so they would no longer be the primary insurer of those who cost them far more than they will receive in premiums. And, even though there is a huge number of uninsured citizens, the primary provider of health insurance to the American population is still the employer. Health insurance companies are ecstatic when people turn 65 and they are no longer the primary because Medicare picks up the lion’s share of the costs. Again, insurance companies do not want to be the primary provider for those over 65, no matter what the premium (if they raise their premiums enough to cover their costs they know employers will drop insurance coverage like a hot potato, and down will go their profits). This proposal is a huge LOSE for them, and I expect their lobby to fight it tooth and nail. Ditto for pharma because Medicare part D pays more for drugs than health insurance companies pay because the insurers negotiate the cost down. If you’ll remember, Congress, in its great “wisdom” prevented Medicare from negotiating drug costs with pharma–as a favor to pharma.
I plan to write in Bradley Manning.
I think you’ll be proven wrong about this. Frankly, discussion of raising Medicare eligibility age wouldn’t have gone on this long and at such high levels if one of the biggest industries in America was really opposed to it.
It’s a mistake to look at companies purely through the lens of near-term profit. There’s a remarkable class solidarity among big business. For example, while single-payer might be good for many U.S. corporations, they won’t fight for it because in the long-run they benefit from workers that are vulnerable to losing health coverage. A stronger safety net would ultimately give workers a greater ability to demand higher wages and more benefits.
Give up health care if you want jobs. Is that the grand deal? I want to know when our government will start representing the people. Are we really screwed for another 4 years? This is insane — a generation of war, police state build and sticking it to the people– 16 years of it. And we keep taking it.
Actually, I think Nixon was too liberal, too far to the left, for Obama to ever want to emulate anything he did. Just as Obama avoids doing things FDR/LBJ have done, he regards Nixon’s views as poison.
Obama wants to out-Reagan St. Ronnie: He desperately wants to take on the great social safety net programs which Pres. Reagan did not take out; he wants to be “better” than St. Ronnie. He wants to become a Patron Saint of the Republican Party.
The guy is a conservative Republican and should not be in the Democratic Party, much less it’s titular head and an ostensible “Democratic” president. Obama will destroy the Democratic Party, and that is one of his goals.
FSM help us. The cowed DC Dems will not.
We need a new political party which represents the needs and interests of the non-wealthy, which represents us, flesh and blood people, not corporate “persons.”
Re: We need a new political party ….
Go idea, but you might want to check out some of the ways U.S. political parties have been (quote) reformed (unquote) in the last 100 years or so.
http://i-voter.tripod.com/US_PoliticalParties.html
Great Quote from 1927
Here in the last generation, a development has taken place which finds an analogy nowhere else. American parties have ceased to be voluntary associations like trade unions or the good government clubs or the churches. They have lost the right freely to determine how candidates shall be nominated and platforms framed, even who shall belong to the party and who shall lead it. The state legislatures have regulated their structure and functions in great detail.
Source: American Parties and Elections,
by Edward Sait, 1927 (Page 174)
Quoted from: The tyranny of the two-party system,
by Lisa Jane Disch c2002
The internet creates some tiny possibilities –
http://i-voter.tripod.com/Platforms.html