Update: Transcripts of the exchange between Judge Facciola and AUSA George can be found here.
In a remarkable turn of events, the Department of Justice has elected to file a writ of mandamus to prevent Judge John Facciola from allowing Dan Choi to offer a “selective prosecution” or “vindictive prosecution” defense. The government elected to pursue federal charges against Choi and 12 others for chaining themselves to the White House fence on November 15, 2010 to protest Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
Assistant US Attorney Angela George filed a motion to prevent Choi’s attorneys from offering a selective prosecution defense prior to the start of the trial. The Judge refused to rule on it, saying that until they offered a selective prosecution defense, it was like “striking from the game a ball that has not been thrown.”
Judge Facciola said that as he listened to Choi’s testimony yesterday, it became clear that the government had treated him differently on November 15 when he chained himself to the White House fence, as opposed to how he was treated in March and April when he had done roughly the same thing. But the Judge also found that there was a prima facie case for vindictive prosecution on the part of the government, saying that there was evidence it had been done to Choi because he was a member of a minority group and the government wanted to punish him for the message he was giving. He strongly suggested that the actions of the government had been taken to abridge Choi’s first amendment speech in opposing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
The judge has compared Choi’s case to the Supreme Court civil rights case Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, in which traffic regulations were arbitrarily enforced in order to suppress the free speech of civil rights protesters. The judge was insulted by the prosecutor’s decision to bring the writ of mandamus to the Court of Appeals, which is essentially a lawsuit alleging that Judge Facciola abused his discretion in finding a prima facie showing of vindictive or selective prosecution.
He asked her what her legal justification was for denying Choi his constitutionally protected right to offer his own defense. George cited US v. Armstrong and US v. Washington, saying in both instances the court had found that such arguments should be offered in pre-trial rather than at trial.
The Judge countered that both of those trials had been jury trials, and that since this was a bench trial, no Appellate court would prohibit him from hearing evidence and conducting an investigation. He also sternly warned George against filing a writ of mandamus and then attempting to dismiss the case thereafter in the event the writ was denied. He suggested it would be further evidence that the government was persecuting Choi.
Earlier in the trial, Park Police witnesses admitted that the Secret Service had warned them in an email the day prior to the November 15 demonstration that Choi and others would chain themselves to the White House fence. Further, the Department of the Interior submitted an elaborate memo to the Park Police 3 hours before the demonstration began advising them on filing federal charges against the DADT protesters, even though they are traditionally charged with municipal violations that are roughly the equivalent of a parking ticket.
But there had been no public announcement of the demonstration, so the defense filed a motion for the government to produce the Secret Service email and other documents about the government’s scheming to persecute Choi. George protested vigorously that the information was not relevant to the case. When Judge Facciola ruled in the defense’s favor, George asked for a delay while she conferred with her superiors at the Justice Department. Two hours later when the trial resumed, there were four Supervising Assistant U.S. Attorneys from the DOJ present when she announced her intention to file the writ of mandamus.
It is clear that there was elaborate coordination between federal agencies in order to single out Dan Choi and punish him. George was unable to conceal her complete contempt for Dan Choi, Capt. Jim Petrangelo and others involved in the case. The Judge finally had to order her to address both Choi and Petrangelo by their ranks after defense attorney Robert Feldman repeatedly objected when she called them “mister,” yet referred to the Park Police officers by rank. The Judge asked her if she had an objection to addressing them by rank. George replied that she did, but refused to say why. The Judge said that one day he would be a retired judge, and that both he and she addressed retired judges as “judge.” He wanted to know what the difference was? George answered by asking the Judge if he was ordering her to address them by their rank. He said he would greatly appreciate if she would. She addressed them by rank when she was in his presence, but when he was out of the courtroom, conspicuously addressed them as “Mister” again.
There was no better evidence of the government’s hostility toward the DADT protesters than George’s attitude toward Choi and Petrangelo, and her determination to prosecute the November 15 DADT protesters as vigorously as possible. Defense Attorney Norman Kent said the decision to persecute Choi and others “may go all the way to the White House.” It is clear that the government does not want an investigation into who was involved in making decisions that abuse the power of the state to punish and harass the President’s political enemies.
Judge Facciola gave George 10 days to submit her writ of mandamus. After court adjourned, defense attorney Robert Feldman left court and Judge Facciola had him called back in, saying “I want this on the record.” After Feldman returned, the Judge stood up, looked at both Feldman and Kent and said it was an “honor” to have presided over this case and hear their arguments. He congratulated them both on their excellent performance.
Lt. Dan Choi saluted the judge and court was in recess.




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Wow!
This petty hatefulness on the part of the prosecutor is an embarrassment to the DOJ – or at least it should be.
their attempt to bring a writ of mandamus is in itself the biggest piece of evidence of the govt’s determined effort to silence choi. dispicable.
My guess is you haven’t been paying attention because it’s not the prosecutor that’s an embarrassment, it’s the DOJ and it’s head Eric Holder.
Thank you, Jane, for this update.
This is utterly amazing and defies common sense and basic reason.
The attempt by this administration to silence those who question and now to thwart the course of justice is simply staggering.
The news will go forth and NOTHING Obama or Holder can do will mitigate or lessen the contempt with which this will be received in very many places and among many diverse communitites.
DW
obama and holder own this SHIT but they are morally bankrupt in everything, the war criminals . They are the enemy who protect cheney over the citizens and the rule of law.
One day they will face a Real Justice department or the wrath of the common man.
I posted this on another story but want to put it here as I think we need to start thinking in radical new ways.
we are given way to much time to Obama and the false left vs right paradigm. Who cares we know they are a bunch of corrupt psychos. We need to start looking for alternatives and giving them a platform to get there messages out. So long as we keep on covering the corrupt bunch in DC we are playing right along with their game. They take all the air out of the room and make it hard for people and alternative ideas to get the attention they need to start forming a critical mass.
We need to be talking to people like Glen Greenwald and other legal scholars and ask how can we fight a criminal and bought legal system.
For example has anyone challenged the basic belief that the legal system actually has jurisdiction over you? On what grounds. I heard the other day that if you have strong ties to the community and have not been charged with a capital crime, you do not have to post bail. However most do not know this and judges and the system don’t bother to tell you.
if you do submit to the legal process and can not afford a lawyer,, and are given one is that fair? You have a right to a fair trial, but if you have a low level legal aid lawyer and you are going up against the state, is that fair? has anyone challenged this?
On our monetary system is the federal reserve even legal? For it to be legal there would have to been amendments to the constitution, and i don’t think that happen.
Anyway these are just ideas for thought. guess what I am trying to say is we need to change the way we are thinking and start looking at ways we can change the system instead of letting it rule us and our lives.
Holy hailstorms, Batman! Obama and Holder own this.
if you do submit to the legal process and can not afford a lawyer,, and are given one is that fair? You have a right to a fair trial, but if you have a low level legal aid lawyer and you are going up against the state, is that fair? has anyone challenged this?
This point I think applies to what is going on in this case. Even though choi has an attorney, the cost is crippling and how can he compete with the resources of the DOJ. Look they can even try and remove a judge they think will not rubber stump their BS. How is that a fair trial?
Chain yourself to a fence and speak out against injustice, the government will seek to destroy you. Yet if you are a CEO and destroy the ecology of an entire region of the planet or tank the worldwide economy or start endless wars, then things become complicated and we must have shared sacrifice.
Justice a faded dream here in America.
can someone tell me as i have not been following this story since the beginning why did Obama go after Choi?
I’ll guarantee ya that Miz George is one of Goodling’s evil little minions…! *gah*
We were all sitting there open mouthed in shock. I just got the trial transcripts, they’ll be up soon. It was absolutely remarkable.
jaw dropping wow
Disgusting. These DOJ people have no integrity whatsoever. This “mister” stuff is grade-school bullshit.
For those Obamabots who like to defend Obama by saying that as president, there is only so much he can do, etc., they ought to note that Obama can be just as vicious and forceful as anybody, when he wants to.
Lt. Dan Choi “incommoded” Obama, as Obama and Holder would have it, mswinkle.
Dan Choi “embarrassed”, “inconvenienced”, and made “uncomfortable” the “authority” of this administration.
That is my “take”; as I am NOT an attorney, please take this “explanation” for what it is worth.
DW
Wow. If things remain on the current arc, this has the potential to be pretty seismic. Well done.
I wonder what impact this will have on government actions related to the Tar Sands protests. There certainly are some strong similarities in tactics and apparent government intent. If this approach ends up being slapped down by the court, the administration seems to be significantly increasing the number of people who will be challenging their actions in the near future.
Is a likelihood that the same thing happened during recent protests (and in several other high-profile instances) part of the motivation in the DoJ fighting like badgers to nail DADT protesters arrested/prosecuted using the tactics? There are plenty of indicators the DoJ is pretty darn shady these days(the HB Gary/BoA/CoC thing they helped coordinate for example).
You’re right. Instead of focusing on obama or right vs. left, we need to start changing the system.
It might feel good to vent in the comments section, but that doesn’t change anything.
FDL needs to start forming groups (yes, in person groups) in various parts of the U.S. to start some kind of movement away from the current system. The Internet is fine to a point, but there’s nothing like face-to-face communication.
Any thoughts from you or anyone else on this.
The heroes who where killed in a helo crash were out to murder that night . They didn’t care who they killed. They are not heroes they are war criminals.
This president is a raging war criminal in case you missed it.
He’s nuts, like all of them a megalomanical presidential killers before him .
So, once again, 0bama=Bush. Anyone attempting to exercise civil liberties in ways which the Decider doesn’t like will be persecuted to the fullest extent of the arbitrary rules which the Department of Just Us has dreamed up to fit the occasion.
Yeah. Just Wow.
The childish behavior of the USAG’s office is amazing, and the judge seems to be a straight shooter.
This is another instance, as in the Nevada AG’s filing against BofA, where the law is on our side.
Thanks Jane for all you do for us and all you’re doing for Lt. Choi.
And thank you, Lt. Choi, for all you do for America.
The reaction of the judge speaks volumes, Jane, Obama and Holder have placed themselves deep into Nixonland, for certain. This will reverberate for many months; this will not “go away”, indeed, it will harden the resolve of all who question and protest.
This is a tactical error of immense proportion.
I am eager, indeed, to hear what bmaz might have to say of this revolting development.
DW
Barack Obama doesn’t care about gay people.
(h/t Kanye)
I am an attorney and I think your take is spot on.
You don’t need a law degree to smell the bullshit.
Childish, petualant, and foolish … come readily to mind, Kris.
This will blow through the roof and the White House will soon be in hunker-down mode.
Utterly amazingly stupid, haughty, and entirely ill-considered.
DW
There was no way you could sit in that courtroom, hear about all of the collusion between branches of the government to persecute Dan, and conclude anything else.
Flashback with embedded video …
‘Obama on Manning: “He Broke the Law.” So Much for that Trial?‘ (by Michael Whitney, April 22, 2011)
“President Obama Makes a Fair Trial of Bradley Manning Impossible By Declaring Him Guilty” (by KevinZeese, April 25, 2011)
Sad thing here is that USAG George is just cannon fodder. They’ll fire her when this case blows up in their faces.
Go Lt. Choi!
I’m hoping this is one of those ‘ask for the absurd prosecution–so it will have to be totally dropped for lack of most absurd testimony’ things–Or else Obama needs some bible belt votes since he has so little base left.
It would have been so easy to allow Facciola’s decision to remain. It does seem to be a very special curcumstance. How do the wronged get a point across without peacefull demonstration? Constitution/Bill of Rights being slowly snuffed out…One would think the White House would be the quintessential place for peaceful demonstration. Is there any history of Obama’s mother ever demonstrating peacefully?
Well, seems to me that Dan has “sunk his shrimpboat” and after some more exposure, the entire gay base goes “Booo OBAMA!” so big and so loud that it’s unrecoverable.
Jay Carney will soon pipe up and say that he has not spoken with Osterity about this.
It would appear that Facciola is one of the good guys trying to keep this from happening.
Heh heh!
You know i just figured out why this Choi fellow is a major threat to the Magnificent Mindless ‘Merican Murder Machine , he Loves much more than he hates and that’s a big problem for the PTB.
@24 Glad you are “here”, pineywoods, was hoping you might drop by. How do you imagine the rest of the federal judiciary are going to “take” or respond to this executive “behavior”?
DW
Damn, it is too bad that Glenn Greenwald’s book has gone to print, because this is as good an example of our two-tiered justice system as anything.
I say wow also. Thank you, Jane. How much evidence does one need to recognize how actively evil Obama is? But it’s still kinda confusing. What is the end game? Just more brutal suppression of dissent? Why Choi? Pretty crude.
ACKKK!
Whoa! How can a departmental head order or compel writ of mandamus?
That is itself illegal unless the writ has been handed/ruled by a higher court on the exact issue/cae!
Somebody is really throwing sticks and hoping that one pierces! That is just SOOOOOO wrong. Okay, it has been a while for me in law books, but seriously people; this is terribly wrong.
It comes right down to precisely and simply that, tjbs.
In Dan Choi we are seeing new leadership emerging.
Human beings are taking note.
Corporate “persons” are finding their “companies of proprietors” gnashing their teeth …
DW
pineywoods,
I hope I am correct, but it is my understanding that a writ of compulsion has to be deemed by a higher court on the exact case. Is that not as you know/see it?
How did they have a higher court hear the case without the presence of Choi?
Is this turning into as big a pissing contest between the Court and DoJ as it seems by Jane’s reporting? I don’t get the context of the Judge calling back both defense attorneys for professional kudos except as a poke in the eye for the Prosecutor and DoJ.
The Bill of Rights was replaced by the Patriot Act in 2001, and hasn’t been seen since.
Obama may be facing a genuine “make me do it” moment, Jane, and if Holder has ANY brains, whatsoever, he will be talking to Obama late into the night.
If Holder does not remember John Mitchell, he might wish to do a little late-night research …
This could well spell the end of Obama’s Presidency and the fracturing of many levels of the complicit collusion you mentioned …
DW
And that is EXACTLY what it was.
I can’t think, right off hand, of anything brainy or courageous that Holder has done during this entire clusterf$%k of an administration.
on EDIT he sings better than Ashcroft and isn’t quite as reptilian as Yoo. That’s all I got.
More EDIT I know Yoo wasn’t AG, but I couldn’t leave him out. But Albertoady…. I don’t recall……..
I’m checking up on my opinion. According to West Law I am correct.
Holder cannot even pretend to stand for Justice when he doesn’t have a clue about the laws.
I agree, and ‘twould be damned wise of him to begin now, else he may well find that such power as he has refused to wield wisely and well may fall with its full weight upon him.
This is Holder’s wake-up call, OmAli, he ignores it as his own rather dire peril.
The jig is, effectively, up.
DW
This is mind boggling and terrifying.
It shall be proclaimed the President has no enemies because they shall be silenced.
Thank you Jane and all the rest of you who can only be called heroes. I truly fear for the country when someone who only has civilly spoken out and demonstrated for issues of concern to him and many in the country to be treated like a traitor is shocking.
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A writ issued by a superior court ordering a public official or body or a lower court to perform a specified duty.
tr.v., -mused, -mus·ing, -mus·es.
To serve or compel with such a writ.
[Latin mandāmus, we order (used in such a writ), first person pl. present tense of mandāre, to order.]
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Along with the writs of prohibition and certiorari, the writ of mandamus was a prerogative writ in English common law. A writ of mandamus issued from the court of King’s Bench, directed to some officer, corporation, or inferior court and required that a duty prescribed by law, and not subject to discretion, be performed. Because of the extraordinary nature of mandamus, it was awarded only when other remedies had been exhausted.
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The writ of mandamus is rarely used in current Supreme Court practice. It does not replace appeals as a method of correcting judicial error, nor is it available when judicial discretion is involved. Only ministerial acts on the part of inferior courts, public officers, and corporations are subject to control by the writ of mandamus. Normally, mandamus is available only against federal officials or courts. However, in support of its appellate jurisdiction, the Supreme Court may issue a mandamus to the highest court of a state.
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This and the Tar Sands over-detentions are shots across the bow to progressive opponents of Administration policies. They’re warning all the personally comfortable but increasingly outraged liberals that effective opposition will come at a price too many will not be willing to pay.
They’re saying, “Click all the petition buttons you want, knock yourself out in those blog comments, write your little letters. No one sees it, and we don’t care. But protest telegenically in a goddamn election cycle, and we’re going to crank up the juice on you just enough to give all those friends on your email list reason to think twice about joining you.”
OK, then. Fuck comfort. See you October 6.
Um, doesn’t sound like Assistant US Attorney Angela George (photo) knows the law either.
I don’t think the dead union leaders and organizers in Colombia who were the victims of United Fruit’s paramilitary goons would agree. Remember that Holder was United Fruit’s attorney.
All I have to say is that Holder needs to be removed from office immediately!
He has no authority to issue that writ. Besides that, Choi and his attorney should be present if any hearing is to take place on his case issue!
No, she doesn’t. I am flipping out that DOJ Holder feels he has the authority to do this!!!!
He needs to be disbarred and locked in the cell that Dan was in!
Any idea how Judge Royce Lamberth will rule on that writ, Jane…?
I wonder what the legal phrase is for “get fucked”, as I’d imagine the Circuit Court would use it in response to the filing of the writ against the Judge.
Holey @52: Point very well taken, thank you.
That cell is too nice to merit his actions. Put him in Bradley Manning’s old solitary confinement accommodations.
The entire LGBT community is the BIGGEST collective resource and weapon a proggy can have at this moment in time.
Thank DAWG for all you folks . . . yer the only reason us proggy’s got any hope at all for change at this point.
No dissin FDL, but the LGBT’s are OUT there . . . in force and farce, as the sitch dictates. Bless ‘em, one n all.
*bows*
Well he did authorize giving american guns to the mexican drug cartels, and two agents were killed and one blew the whistle. The whistle blower got fired, agents pushing the program got promoted, and the head of the ATF got moved to another post because he would not be the fall guy, and testified to congress without informing placeholder that he was going to do that.
Plenty of people speculate that the back story was these guns were meant to show back up in america and kill american civilians and Obummer was going to use that to try and gut the 2nd amendment. Giving that they are willfully destroying this country and people’s lives, they might be worried about the fact that many americans have guns.
And strip him naked, like they did to Bradley. Give him a little taste of dehumanization.
Holder and Obama both claim theyndid not authorise Operation Fast and Furious, mswinkle.
Though there is no clear indication as to who did.
DW
You are quite welcome. Sometimes we are so USA-centric that we forget what our country does to undermine democracy around the world to benefit our corporations.
Well said DW and tjbs. Lt. Dan Choi’s case is about universal real, (as opposed to artificial corporate), human rights, nothing less than that.
I hope Rachel Maddow covers this when she gets back.
Hooray for Judge Facciola! It is so refreshing to hear about a real judge.
Petty and vindictive. Small, mean, reactionary. Cruel. That’s what this Administration is all about. That is how they will be remembered by Posterity. If there is a Posterity.
Definitely!
Sorry for the delayed response. I had to go hunt up a cigarette. This has really knocked me for a loop. Can’t believe it!
I’ll be making a stiff drink shortly. Nah, I’ll be doing shots over this one.
That would make US no better than THEM…
I think the 2nd amendment part is too much of a stretch for me.
and that’s teh truth !
I’d suggest at least in the case of this ONE judge, it’s a slap to BushCo’s Monica Goodlings, Liberty U/RTegent U and such appointees in the USGA’s and Obama’s refusal to fill vacant seats and support the BushCo appointee’s (if not abuse them to his own ends).
Someone besides Obama has to be pulling these strings . . . he takes responsibility, but some one in the corp/MIC has power to MAKE him do it . . . I’m not givin Obama cover, but there’s a FORCE to be unveiled (like Cheney) that’s gotta be giving Obama marching orders on this shit . . . it’s just so lose/lose as to be insane.
And you are going to believe two professional liars who take advice from Henry Kissinger? Please, you are too intelligent for that, or was that intended to be sarcasm?
Nope, if we followed your prescription we would totally become what we oppose. There is no justification for torture any place, any time.
And I hate to admit it, but I just have not followed that story at all. I have Obama Overload.
Ugly America.
I know. I’m just venting.
Wow. I’m speechless. Thank you, Jane, and thank you to Lt. Dan Choi.
You know, you have just stated what I and another FDL Pup discussed just yesterday. It is becoming obvious that Obama the campaigner and Obama the presnit are ideoligically worlds apart.
Have a smoke for me. Gave them up last year after the cancer diagnosis.
That would probably be Obama’s and Clinton’s adopted dad, G.H.W.Bush.
So sorry to hear that.
I have one for you. I haven’t had one since last week, but MY GOD ALMIGHTY!
If I could get close enough I’d swing a bat!
I’m sorry to hear that and hope that you are well. Even after my mom gave up smoking she continued to sit in the smoking section of restaurants because she said smokers were much more fun.
FDL, Mz. Hamsher, on the scene of this one . . . took a while to sink in what you had witnessed in the court room, with the call back ad such.
Historic, we hope, huh . . . . one judge against the USGA’s of Regent/Liberty.
I’ll take it for a starter!
Jane,
Bill is an attorney. He should be able to confirm my opinion or if I am wrong he can clarify for me.
I merely relay what was provided by the BBC, holeybuybull (truly like your “handle”, BTW).
Do I consider it true?
I haven’t sufficient evidence to “judge”… either way.
I should like to have that in hand before declaring, without any doubt, what I consider the truth to be.
Comes from those ole Con law courses, and a fundamental skepticism …
;~DW
Thanks. Survived the hell of the poison and burn treatment of US factory medicine machine and even negotiated reduced rates because of self-pay.
Nah, Poppy was never the force, just well connected and somewhat influential. CHENEY, now, was the force . . . either he’s still calling shots or someone like him is . . .
I’ll go tinfoil hat on this and suggest a cadre of families and rich fucks . . . international money, old families . . . even Cheney would be answering to this ilk . . .
This ain’t new this old money conspiracy thang . . .
I gotta get some sunshine . . . all y’all be well.
I watch the BBC as well. Did you notice the subtle change in their news coverage after they got involved in the Libyan operation? I rely on “Democracy Now” more than the BBC.
Can’t believe it. Can’t believe it. Just can’t believe a writ was sent down without a court.
So he’s a banana republic attorney general other wise known as the dog stuff that sticks to your shoe. holder acts like a pit bull shit but is gooey French poodle shit when it comes to biting crime.
Spot-on comment.
Don’t forget that Poppy was head of the CIA and that his crime family has been a force behind the scenes for a long time, a la Prescott Bush.
Sorry, NO don’t go where they go.
Go, Jane! Go, Dan! The two of you give me heart.
See Obama run. See Holder run — far away, I hope. One of those Saturday Night Massacre moments. Holder is not playing Richardson.
The http://www.doj.gov site does not open right now. Not from my machine, anyway. When it does, I’ll let Holder know what I think of his mandamus.
What oath of office does Holder think he swore, anyway, trying forcibly to preclude a defendant in an American court of law from raising defenses that are clearly defensible? It is an outrage.
It is amazing how vindictive and petty Obama is.
DADT was repealed and they are sure to lose LGBT votes (which they can no longer afford) over this, but they just can’t let go.
He’s a corporate lackey in the mold of a Laney Davis, but with the power to disappear you.
I know. mzchief said the same thing. I’m just venting. I couldn’t do that to another human.
I very sorry to hear what you have suffered. I take it you were not able to receive any biologics.
He and his owners can always rely on Diebold.
If not this then certainly the 5 month baby our ” heroes ” executed with the rest of their family in Iraq.
And it goes on , and on , and on until WE stop the Military Madman.
“White House.” It is clear that the government does not want an investigation into who was involved in making decisions that abuse the power of the state to punish and harass the President’s political enemies.”
Mister Nixon, is that you?
Thanks, but it was more than likely my fault or genetic. Biologics; I could barely afford the mistreatment I received and was reminded on more than one occasion that I wasn’t entitled to advice I hadn’t paid for.
I think BBC’s “tone” changed much earlier, hbb, about the time “W” made his “You are either with us or against us” fallacious argument … and the “Downing Street Memo” was of only slightly greateer interest to the BBC than the NYT. Al Jeezra English is becoming a much appreciated “source”, these days, I find.
Glad you survived the “treatment”, as your voice is much valued and appreciated, for sure, hbb.
DW
And, for contrast: In Illinois, man faces 75 years for recording police
http://boingboing.net/2011/08/31/man-faces-75-years-for-recording-police.html?dlvrit=36761
Sheesh.
Jane, I’m so proud of Dan Choi, his legal team, you and the rest of us “firebaggers”. This just proves once again the Obama and his ilk are homophobes and just as mean as George abush.
I pray that Dan wins this case and that everyone in the world get to understand and appreiate the sacrifices Dan has made for all of us.
I know, I Post come and get me creeps !
Anybody know anything about Angela George’s background, education, etc? I tried der Google and even the DOJ website but couldn’t find a bio, just info related to specific cases she’s handled. (Cases going back to at least 2006, so she’s either a product of, or at least served during, the reign of Bush 43.)
The trial attorney seems to have internalized the feelings of her bosses and is personalizing her remarks and the conduct of the trial. That is unprofessional and petty.
Thanks DW. I’m even suspicious of Al Jazeera, considering that they are based in our colony of Qatar.
I’ve tried twice and the connection is timing out.
Tangential– “ACLU sues Baltimore police for deleting videos off cell phone” (RawStory.Com, Aug. 31st, 2011)
“Wilkerson: We talked about Cheney’s people like the ‘Nazis’” (RawStory.Com, Aug. 31, 2011; great embedded video from The Alyona Show over at RT.Com)
“British plane flying $212 million [in Libyan banknotes] to Libya” (RawStory.Com, Aug. 31, 2011)
Suspician is good, “belief” is of but questionable worth, and certainty can be deadly … indeed.
;~DW
Hoping for Rachel to do the right thing, is like hoping for Barry to do the right thing
I can’t comment on that or the millions of innocents from around the globe, or the Wall Skreech crooks right now.
My comments would certainly offend the moderators and most Proper people reading.
what possible prejudice could the introduction of Choi’s defense cause to the prosecution?
Obviously, they were not surprised.
And since it’s a bench trial, the court is not inconvenienced.
The only problem for the prosecution with this defense is that it does weigh against their chance of winning.
P.S. the picture of the prosecutor listed in comments above tend to weigh against the assertion that she’s a Regent grad. That broad was around before regent ever came into existence. also, she looks ugly – the ‘to-her-very-soul’ ugly.
P.P.S. How many teabaggers have been arrested for unlawful assembly and/or general douchebaggery?
Jane,
Looking at the web, so far it appears the only media outlets other than firedoglake covering this today were gay rights advocacy ones like The New Civil Rights Movement and Poliglot at Metro Weekly.
Were there any MSM reporters there, or any others of note?
http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/36loc/pg/stattorneys/html/msa15306.html
Another site says that she has been practicing in Washington since 2010.
Angela George is listed in the program for awards given to USAs in 2010. She received a 10 year length of service pin meaning she was employed during Bubba’s term.
Judge Facciola has to get word out as to if proper procedure was follwed on his end. It does not seem that Choi and his attorney were present for the writ with the legal explanations or precedence.
Based on only that photo, I think Ms. George is a self-hating gay woman. Wonder if she’s related to Claire George, CIA criminal during Iran-contra.
Having recently been before Judge Facciola, I’m not hugely surprised. He seemed to have a very strong sense of basic fairness, along with a lot of common ssense. It would be surprising if Judge Lambeth granted the mandamus; from what I saw, I can’t imagine Judge Facciola not being the subject of considerable respect. Bravo, Judge, and good luck, Lt. Choi.
Can we start prefacing the name Holder with “Abu” now?
Abu Holder.
works for me.
Have you any sense as to how Judge Royce Lamberth might consider and or rule on the writ of mandamus, malcolm? Speculation, of course, and will be taken soley as such.
DW
Go Dan, best wishes. I hope he got my poem @ tarsands memorial pokey:
Now listen to me closely, I’ll endeavor to explain
What separates a whiner from a Hamisher, Jane;
A view confessed by activists, illustrious or coy,
Whether hip as Hoffman or daring as a Dan Choi.
Martin Luther King knew best, and on this you can rely:
You must defend your rights or all our rights will die!
Dan, as a great man didn’t say, “Nuisance is the mother of Redemption.” Here’s hoping Obama promotes you from Lieutenant to General Nuisance. :D
Also, Jane, excellent writing!
The ,a href=”http://iplextra.indiatimes.com”>India Times is linking to FireDogLake posts including this story. :-)
Yeah, Facciola is generally pretty solid it has appeared over the years. Lamberth ought, by all rights, to be a little peeved at DOJ and their antics already. Not sure he wants any part of this interlocutory crap on this penny ante case (it is misdemeanor, right?).
What the hell? Did Dan do a one night stand with Angela then tell “I’m gay, sorry”? Astounding.
completely destroying the powerhold the banks have over congress, the president, and the appellate courts lies in telling the stories of bank mistreatment of individual mortgage holders.
repeat
completely destroying the powerhold the banks have over congress, the president, and the appellate courts lies in telling the stories of bank mistreatment of individual mortgage holders.
these stories need to be told seriatum, by the hundreds,
here, at other other liberal (or conservative) websites and on youtube
in a similar fashion to the nytimes’ telling of stories of each of the 3000 wtc victims.
Jane has the transcript up
If only the Obama administration spent half as much time creating jobs as it does persecuting gay people and harassing scientists.
NAL, but my recollection from reading lawyerly commentary here,
is that writ of mandamus is generally rare and unlikely to succeed. if i’m recalling correctly, then the doj, with four (?) supervisory lawyers present,
effectively and vindictively, just gave the finger to a federal judge.
i would think an appellate judge might consider that rude, uncalled for, and
a blatant attempt to intimidate a federal judge.
i keep waiting for the day when, after more than a decade of turning both their cheeks to the doj prosecutors,
federal judges as a class began to lower the boom on doj prosecutors’ lies and antics (like filing this pointless writ).
Thank you, bmaz, and malcolm.
DW
I think Angela George has this Youtube on permalink on her laptop.
Don’t know about the President’s mother —sounds like the kind of young woman who might well have joined a demonstration at some point— but we do know one person who demonstrated. In fact, that person knew Rev. Shuttlesworth pretty well.
Yeah, I know all that.
They are still new money, not part of the innercircle.
But they are players, yes
Cheney is the dangerous one, he reports directly to the inner circle I think . . . I wonder who Obama’s Cheney is . . . hayall it could be Rove, still . . . I dunna.
But Obama is a peripheral . . . the Bush family less so, but not fully inside . . . all sheer conjecture on my part . . . but history n my instincts lead the way on this . . . lol N a ouija board. ;-)
What great news this is!
Choi for President in 2012.. Oh wait, he’s not old enough. If only Obama had 1% of his bravery.
For a sample of vindictiveness in this case, here’s an earlier article about the trial.
http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2011/08/choi-takes-the-stand-delivers.html
Scroll to the bottom about the ODOJ lawyers refusing to refer to them by rank, and the bit about their rank and other velcro insignia being stripped off after their arrest (see photo in article here as opposed to other photos of Lt. Choi at the WH fence, in which he’s still wearing his rank, name, U.S. Army badges, and U.S. flag.)
OWH’s pettiness knows no bounds, it seems.
This entire episode does indeed seem to reek of DOJ’s panic over unlawful methods of gathering information that inadvertently came to light. Since they would have a difficult time making a credible case of national security to justify the warrantless wiretapping/email capturing that is pretty clearly the elephant in the living room here, they are acting perhaps less out of petty vindictiveness than out of desperation to buy time so they can think of a strategy to deny/shred their way out of this turkey.
Either way, it’s clear that from at least Holder on down, they’re in deep doodoo. It’s one of those “oh shit” moments that, after you’ve been around a while you learn to recognize in the machinations of people like the low-level George that get stuck with the mess.
OK, maybe the vindictiveness part still plays in, or they never would have gotten themselves into this mess.
You’re jumping the gun. A Writ is the old school term for “Motion”, its filed filed one court above trial court. Since this is a magistrate judge appointed by the US District Court (like Joe Miller once was, incidentally), the Writ is filed with the Chief Judge of the US District Court.
Apparently it hasn’t been filed yet (Judge Facciola is delaying proceedings for 10 days so US Attorney can file Writ). Incidentally, she will surely lose. It sounds like the DOJ is bent out of shape because they don’t want to release the Secret Service memo and other documents (perhaps the USSS had an informant they understandably want to keep on the down low).
I think the Federales are stuck. If they want to keep the Secret Service docs out, they’ll have to drop the case. But you can’t unring the bell. If Dan files a civil rights lawsuit against the Obama Administration for his selective and/or vindictive prosecution, its all going to come out. (ha ha, every Republican law firm in town will offer to handle that case pro bono)
I’m sorry, I was unclear about which court Writ is filed in. In the usual course of things, Magistrate Judge appeals go to District Court and District Judge appeals go to Circuit Court of Appeals. However, from transcript at other thread, Judge Facciola (who’d certainly know) says Writ would be filed at Appeals Court.
Or perhaps they listened in on lawyer client private conversations and e-mails .
Wow. Just fuckin’ wow.
This is stooping pretty low. What do they have to gain by doing this? They aren’t going to be able to keep this in the dark and it accentuates Dan’s heroic and principled stand as well as shining a spotlight on their vindictiveness.
Great appreciation and major kudos to Jane for being present during the entire trial and thereby providing the best reporting thereon bar none.
Please feel free to read the transcript of the last day of the trial posted here on FDL to truly understand Judge Facciola’s constitutional jurisprudence.
The fight is not over even though we have publicly stated and will state RIGHT HERE again: LIEUTENANT DAN CHOI IS NOT GUILTY!
Robert Feldman, Esq.
Thank you so much for all your passion and hard work, Robert. The judge honored you at the end of the trial in a way I’ve never seen before, and it was totally deserved.
Once again, Obama loving progressives, tell me this couldn’t have been done by a Republican president. I could close my eyes and imagine that Bush is still in the White House, since we are basically still following Bush’s policies on just about everything. We elected a Democratic president on the platform of change, and I’ve seen very, very little change. For those of you who still call this guy a progressive, you need to get over yourselves and face the truth about Obama.
I could do this all day, you know! It seems there is story after story proving me right when it comes to Obama and his political leanings.