There were several jaw-dropping moments from the Dan Choi trial today, but none more dramatic than the moment Lt. LaChance of the Park Police admitted he was advised by Solicitor Randolph Myers of the Department of Interior to press federal charges against the DADT protesters on November 15 — three hours before they began protesting.
Choi’s defense Attorney Robert Feldman wrestled with Assistant US Attorney Angela George to get a copy of the following letter from Myers, sent at 10:50 am on the morning of November 15, 2010. The protesters didn’t even arrive at the White House until 1:45 pm. LaChance said he first learned of the protest from an email written by the Secret Service and forwarded to him prior to November 15. LaChance said he was told “there were people who were going to chain themselves to the White House fence.” But organizers of the demonstration said they did not publicly disclose anyone would be chaining themselves to the White House fence prior to the demonstration, so it’s not yet known how the Park Police came by that information.
George is fighting furiously to to prevent Feldman from being able to argue a selective prosecution defense, filing a motion with Judge Facciola to exclude it. Judge Facciola said he would not make a decision on that until such time as the defense actually tried to argue selective prosecution, but he did allow Feldman to get a copy of the Myers letter.
White House protesters are routinely charged with local misdemeanors. However the letter indicates that the Park Police made the pre-emptive decision to charge the DADT protesters with federal charges. George insisted for months that the protesters be left with a federal conviction on their records as part of any plea deal before finally dropping that demand. The protesters did, however, have to admit guilt. Choi refused to admit guilt, so the government is currently prosecuting him.
The subject line of the Myers email says it all: “At least two CFR citations may be invoked against protesters who chain themselves to the White House fence.”
| From: Myers, Raldolph 11/15/2010, 10:50 am To: Hodge, Timothy; Guddemi, Charles; MacLean, Robert Subject: At least two CFR citations may be invoked against protesters who chain themselves to the White House fenceSgt Hodge: This follows up on our telephone conversation this morning, to confirm that the Solicitor’s Office believes that the act of chaining oneself to the White House fence violates at least two NPS regulations. First, it could constitute disorderly conduct under 36 CFR 2.34(a)(4), which prohibits anyone A with intent to cause public alarm, nuisance, jeopardy…or knowingly or recklessly creating a risk thereof that creates or maintains a hazardous or physically offensive condition. Second, it could constitute tampering under 36 CFR 2.31(a)(2), which prohibits [t]ampering or attempting to tamper with property …except when such property is under one’s lawful control or possession. Indeed, while both NPS regulations provide the legal basis that make such chaining illegal, if the violator fails to obey a Park Police order to unchain, you may be free to cite the violator under another charge: NPS=s 36 CFR 2.32(a)(2) which prohibits failure to obey a lawful order. [The act of chaining oneself to the White House fence, in itself, may not technically violate 36 CFR 7.96(g)(5)(vii) insofar as it prohibits signs or placards being tied, fastened, or otherwise attached to or leaned against the White House fence, lamp post or other structures on the White House sidewalk] The NPS’s regulatory history of its disorderly conduct regulation, found at 47 Federal Register 11598, 11607 (March 17, 1982), explain that [t]he concept of jeopardy is meant to apply to situations or hazards which threaten physical harm or injury. The term nuisance is meant to be construed in accordance with its commonly accepted legal definition. For purposes of this regulation the definition set forth in Blacks Law Dictionary is instructive: That class of wrongs that arise from the unreasonable, unwarrantable, or unlawful use by a person of his own property, either real or personal, or from his own improper, indecent, or unlawful personal conduct, working an obstruction of or injury to the right of another or to the public, and producing such material annoyance, inconvenience, discomfort, or hurt, that the law will presume resulting damage. Blacks Law Dictionary (5th ed. 1979) Public alarm is meant to prohibit actions which will produce an apprehension of danger or excite with sudden fear. Chaining oneself obviously works as an obstruction or injury to the right of another or to the public insofar as it hinders the views and reactions of security personnel to monitor and protect such an extremely important physical barrier of the White House complex, and may pose a hazard which threatens physical harm or injury, especially in this sensitive post-911 world where explosive-laden persons have breached governmental secured areas. The NPS’s regulatory history of its tampering regulation, found at 48 Federal Register 30252, 30270 June 30, 1983), explained that this selection A is designed to address incidents where unauthorized manipulation of the property, real property or the component parts thereof has occurred or is occurring, and the elements of other criminal offenses such as theft, trespassing, burglary or vandalism have not been realized. The National Park Service views the utilization of this section as a means to prevent unauthorized activities from developing into more serious offenses. WE believe that chaining oneself to a fence constitutes such an unauthorized manipulation of Federal property. This is consistent with Green v Lujan, No. 90-2293 (D.D.C. February 11, 1991 which cites Restatement (Second) of Torts “202, 821B (1965, 1979)’s public nuisance as an unreaonable interference with a right common to the general public including but not limited to conduct which is prescribed by a statute, ordinance or administrative regulation. Indeed, demonstrators who have chained themselves in public areas or on private property have been convicted under various state laws. In People of the State of New York v. Berardi, 690 N.Y.S.2nd 916 (N.Y. City Crim. Ct. 1999), the court held that New York’s disorderly conduct law applied where demonstrators chained themselves front of a department store’s doorway, finding that the chaining caused public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm. In Huffman and Wright Logging Co. v. Wade, 857 P.2d 101 (Oregon 1993) the court noted the earlier convictions of demonstrators, who chained themselves to logging equipment, in violation of the Oregon criminal mischief law that prohibits tampering or interfering with property of another with an intent to cause substantial inconvenience to another. In State of North Dakota v. Purdy, 491 N.W.2d 402 (North Dakota 1992), the court affirmed a conviction for physical obstruction of a government function funder North Dakota law, where the demonstrators used cryptonite locks to lock themselves together in an abortion clinic, finding that the act of locking themselves together was to impede or hinder police and where it took three hours for locksmiths to safely remove them. While we believe that chaining oneself violates 36 CFR2.34(a)(4) and 36 CFR2.31(a)(2), we will defer to prosecutor’s assessment of the facts of the particular case as to what charge they proceed with. And if a prosecutor elects to go forward with some other charge, their changing of the charge can negate the legality of the officer’s initial charge, since it has been long recognized that “an arrest will be upheld if probable cause exists to to support arrest for an offense [even if] that is not denominated as the reason for the arrest by the arresting officer.” United States v. Joyner, 492 F.2d 655, 656(D.D. Cir.1974). See also Washington Mobilization Comm. v. Cullinane, 566 F.2d 107, 123 (D.C. Cir. 1977) (“A policeman on the scene cannot be expected to assay the evidence with the technical precision of a prosecutor drawing an information.”); Christensen v. United States , 259 F.2d 192, 193 (D.C. Cir. 1959) (“In determining wither there was probable cause for the arrest, we must view the situation as it appeared to ‘the eyes of reasonable, cautious and prudent police officer under the circumstances of the moment.’”). I hope that this information is useful. I have no objections if you share this with prosecutors. If you share this with prosecutors. I you or they have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at (202) 208-4338. Randy Myers |
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Thank you, Jane-zilla, for your update.
I saw this (hat tip rosalind) and the above stinks to high heaven. Does the DOJ have direct access to a real-time feed of surveillance data s.t. they just go to a computer and punch up the file on anyone they please? They already tell Myers what to do.
From many years working against Big Oil, may I suggest you ought to expect the lowest tricks, and that not everyone obtaining membership at FDL, or being party to your discussions, will be friendly to you?
Well. As someone who took to the White House fence, that’s as f***ed up as a sh** gravy sandwich.
Is that to Jane? I’m a little unclear about what you’re saying?
It would be very interesting to find out where they got that chain information. Do they have an authorized wiretap on somebody? Did it come from an FDL mole?
I see a very interesting line of investigation. Especially if the info came from a wiretap without a warrant.
Boxturtle (I think DDay is the mole. He seems to know everything)
Translation:
The walls have ears. Loose lips sink ships. If there is an Agent 13 monitoring, your wife wants you to pick up milk on your way home.
Boxturtle (You’re not paranoid if they really are out to get you)
To Jane and to FDL, it’s quite plain that there was quite likely knowledge – obtained through direct access to those plans put into play at the WH – by those who got measures instituted to counter them. From work against Big Oil, anyone who’s been involved has seen this happen before.
Unbelievable. I am glad Dan went to trial. This is going to blow the surveillance state wide open.
So, I watched the video of the protest yesterday.
Evidently, the woman in the background screaming about the gays bringing the end of the world and the “burn in hell” commentary was not a nuisance?
No, the comment isn’t to Jane. The comment is about how the DOJ handled the case, making a decision to press federal charges prior to the action was even committed — that’s as f***ed up as a sh** gravy sandwich.
Yes, my friend Greg Palast has been given a hard time, arrested etc.
A mole would mean someone behind the scenes, right? because stuff posted here would be accessable to anyone.
I’m more inclined to think warrant-less wire tap. It’s horrendous to think someone close to Jane would Fink.
Your parathentical was my mantra for years. Maybe I have to dust off that theory and bring it out again.
Think about it, demi. When what you are promoting is dangerous to the public, you aren’t going to use transparent tactics to betray us.
Do we need an fdl special ops team? Sweep Jane’s office for bugs?
A friend of mine who is a Quaker told me an interesting story.
He said it became obvious that their meetings were under surveillance. They found out how they were being listened to and who outside their meeting house was taking pictures of them as they arrived at their religious meetings. So they installed equipment to watch back. Then they approached the cars of the undercover agents to give them donuts and coffee and said, “Welcome to our meeting. You know it would just make this all the more easier if you just came to the meeting. We’ll even put you on our email list, even though you are aware of our email to begin with.”
The agents started coming to the meetings. The Quaker leadership just handed the agents all the Friends newsletters, meeting notes and any upcoming social ministry or peace related work.
At every meeting they would tell the agents the Quakers have religious and individual rights to gather without being under surveillance.
They made the agents feel like crap.
Care in planning can be helpful, but it would be a shame if the atmosphere was clouded here.
Terrific.
Hey, Autumn. I think I’ll stick with the coffee and pass on the sandwich. It truly does stink.
My admiration for Lt Dan Choi grows daily.
He’s a moral giant in a town of souless sellouts.
A real shame. When paranoia rules, the vision becomes tainted. The way that for fundamentalists there’s a sin under every rock.
But that was back when agents had consciences and the constitution was enforced.
Try it now and you’ll end up right beside Dan, charged with Obstruction.
Boxturtle (It amuses me to think that somewhere there’s a DOJ expense report for a Benefactor membership)
The point from this specific group of Quaker leadership was that they did not have anything to hide and that gathering together for religious activity and peaceful protesting are legal and a protected rights.
This was just four years ago.
I find a larger point in that they showed kind regard for those that were engaged in devious activities, and taught them a better way. Of course, I was once a practicing Quaker and miss having a meeting here.
I agree with your insight. However, one of the leaders of this Friends group actually told me that “nothing to hide” was the main point of their outreach to the agents.
I assume DOD and CIA as well.
(they don’t share all that well with one another)
selective prosecution by our increasingly unrestrained doj prosecutors has become an increasing incursion on freedom of speech and assembly.
if you have the subscription, you want to take a look at:
https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/webcd/app?action=DocumentDisplay&crawlid=1&doctype=cite&docid=145+U.+Pa.+L.+Rev.+1309&srctype=smi&srcid=3B15&key=7f409a9d9b4114b886c5499aba86ceae
Wow – real life “Minority Report” in the most ironic sense.
The Department of PreCrime.
The DOJ is going to do all it can to criminalize peaceful symbolic protest. The point about getting a criminal record is that it can eventually serve as a means of excluding a person from voting, getting a passport (to get out of the country) and getting a job. If you are coming into the United States from abroad on a foreign passport, the first thing they check is whether you have a criminal record.
The continued presence of those “shop dot com” spammers here on FDL has convinced me that no members’ info is safe here. If the mods can’t keep that stuff off their computers, imagine what other hacks have occurred…
I’ve had the exact same thought.
Come and get me, coppers.
Randy Myers reports to Eric the Empty Suit Holder, who was appointed to that position by Barack Obama, Harvard Law School graduate and former Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.
Quite an ironic twist on the old cliche, “elections have consequences.”
How many basic rights does Barry have to trample
on, to be followed once again with his sweet talk,
before we hold him accountable for violations of
the oath of office and raping of our most fundamental
constitutional rights.
The 19th Century was defined by giving citizenries
the simplest taste of what they sought in the way of
freedoms and equal treatment under the law.
Barry should go back to it.
I also think the Democratic Party becomes a sham
absent at least a pro forma recall process.
I don’t think anybody at the Lake is planning on doing anything that would get them sent to prison. Being arrested and jailed for CD is another thing entirely. St Pete for Peace knew there were informants who came to our rallies and meetings. The authorities knew when we were going to engage in CD. That worked to our benefit as they knew we weren’t going to resist and that with all the cameras and witnesses the police weren’t going to engage in actions that would put them in a bad light in the media. This in the days when we had to wait to get home before we could post videos on YouTube.
It’s okay to be a little paranoid but don’t let it control your every action or thought. If you do, the authoritarians have won.
Yeah, but Bush was in charge of DoJ then. Things were better.
Boxturtle (perhaps “Things hadn’t had time to get this bad” would be better phrasing)
I’m going with Knut on this, but I think they specifically want to try to keep Choi from being able to go back into the service. He is just “too much trouble” and too much of a leader for them.
The other day at an event in my town that is designed to raise awareness of genocide, there were a number of attendees who were actually escapees or victims of genocide in Africa. There was some kind of a disturbance by a man who was yelling, not sure just what his circumstances were, but the police came and eventually hog-tied him with chains and threw him into a police car. They did ask him to walk, and he refused telling them to “pick me up you fuckers,” and on like that. The Africans stood by taking photos on their phones. It was bizarre.
No data is safe these days. If you honestly believe that Firedoglake has any sort of substantial security, you’re deluding yourselves. If you actually wanted things to remain confidential, you would not house them in a public forum or anything associated with it.
Firedoglake is hosted in a cloud environment and if the government wanted, they could ask the provider to give them a copy of their entire install (with a warrant or whatever).
If you wanted to remain secret, encryption is your friend. The problem is, encryption is not exactly user friendly and for most, they aren’t willing to make the trade off of privacy for ease of use.
The same could be said for your gmail account as well, but if the contents of your email exchanges were encrypted, the government would need to get access to your desktop/laptop to decrypt the contents.. but then again considering how much horsepower the NSA has these days, I have to wonder how long it would take for them to decrypt PGP or something of that order.
The government will wave the flag in this case that since it involved the White House, they have every right to trample the Bill of Rights. It is a shame we don’t have a Democrat in the White House to protect civil liberties.
Unh, smoke much?
Boxturtle (You can be charged for smoking a cuban in Canada, if you’re an American citizen)
Capt Jim Pietrangelo on the stand this am. He described how after he volunteered for a third tour of duty he was dismissed because of DADT.
Shortly after, the defense called him once again “Captain Pietrangelo.” The Assistant US Attorney Angela George objected to him being called Captain because he was no longer in the service.
I guess she approves of DADT then. Well, that’s quite telling. No wonder she’s so consistently rude and hostile. She’s the perfect person to prosecute this case.
Aye, truer words were never spoken. And FDL is CERTAINLY a target, we’re the headquarters of the left wing dump Obama movement.
Boxturtle (Sad to think more effort is spent on us than on the Militia Movement)
so long as doj prosecution recommendations are amenable to direct or “understood” white house wishes, we’ll experience and have to endure selective prosecution in our political system. karl rove was a big proponent of selective prosecution, cf the prosecution and political neutralization of the most effective democrat in alabama politics, gov siegelman
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i wonder who’s president obama’s karl rove?
there’s got to be one, doesn’t there? – bradley manning, dan choi, thomas tam, jeffrey sterling, just to get the list started …
She’s in a very unfortunate position. She must defend the undefensable and prosecute the innocent.
That would make me grumpy as well.
Boxturtle (Msg to Ms. George: Resignation with honor is still an option)
Bang !
my exact initial thought
and USAA George is sounding more and more like one of the ‘geniuses’ who prosecuted Ted Stevens
indeed :>)))
Who says it ISN’T Karl?
Boxturtle (If it ain’t Karl, my bet would be he’s still listening to Rahm)
think of all the war protester doors that have been kicked in this year – as ordered by none other than one Patrick Fitzgerald
Reading the history of Germany between 1933-1945 is instructive. Once the regime solidified it’s stranglehold on the reigns of government an interesting result was that functionaries from top to bottom in the system “knew what was expected of them” and therefore it wasn’t necessary for orders from “on high” to instruct them on how to proceed on any given matter. The functionaries knew what was “expected” from their superiors and acted accordingly.
What is Jane holding in the pic? Nobody I know has any of the new toys so I don’t know what I’m looking at.
If Barry supports repeal of the
Right To Assembly, then
I support the introduction
of No Confidence votes.
Heck, that’s actually a good deal
given recent U.S. history and the
fact the rest of the world has it.
I propose introducing it on a temporary
basis, same as Bush’s tax cuts for
billionaires which Barry then made
not temporary.
FXXK OXXXA
http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/b87a6c79b227da4964128c00/geithner-obama-concerned-tbi.jpg
http://dailybail.com/storage/obama-geithner.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1288817258766
http://bizindia.net/uploads/tphome/images/2011/Obama%20and%20Geithner.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMe6kLy2oV4&playnext=1&list=PL20483F3E65394B41
Should the Democratic Party ever succeed at this point at replacing
Obama with a Progressive Democrat, or Ralph Nader, or other,
points of prosecution against Obama should be diligently
investigated.
in response to box turtle @34:
well, in 2008 there were stories like this one making the rounds:
http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/the-donna-brazile-karl-rove-connection/
in the 2008 dem primary, donna brazile was a key gatekeeper in charge of which dem candidate got which state votes.
Southern Dragon @ 47
Tiger Man – it appears to be a ‘tablet pc’ (IPad ?) – this little dfh wants one bad (not an IPad) there are lots of high end models that do all the IPad stuff and then some for far less than the Apple product
hot biker santa tells me I’m gonna love christmas morning :D
(was wondering the same thing)
meet the new boss… same as the old boss…
good thing we voted for ‘change’… (didn’t know the only true change would merely be the face on the oppression)…
2 million people saying they don’t
trust Obama and think he is not Liberal
and curiously looking resonant with
many ideas for believing in good
and Ted Kennedy’s “better nature”
makes for 1 1/2 million people too many
for anyone to be afraid
2 million people saying they don’t
trust Obama and think he is not Liberal
and curiously looking resonant with
many ideas for believing in good
and Ted Kennedy’s “better nature”
makes for 1 1/2 million people too many
for anyone to be afraid
FDL: 2 will be enough
I trust you will trust me and this.
The question that comes to my mind is why is the Interior Department talking to the DOJ?
This violates a memo sent out in the wake of the Bush Justice Department’s US Attorney scandal.
Klynn at #14:
If they are spying on Quakers, they must be spying on EVERYBODY!
They didn’t call it total information awareness for nothing. I favor the Quaker approach to address the assholes directly, but I’m much less civil:
Fuck you US Stasi.
the concept of “selective prosecution” is bound up with that of “prosecutorial discretion”, which
is, to my mind, the key concept.
for legal minds, here’s one take on prosecutorial discretion and selective prosecution:
http://business.highbeam.com/434805/article-1G1-19669206/prosecutorial-discretion-and-selective-prosecution
Thanks for the link. It helps!
I’m electronically challenged. :o)
In the photo, what is Jane holding up? (I assume that’s Jane…)
“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that we are countrymen.” Samuel Adams.
some form of an ipad
VOA; I think the 2012 election is going to be a hell of a “recall process”.
That it will benefit the republicans is really aggravating…almost as aggravating as having other democrats and even some progressives telling us that we HAVE to reward Obama and the jellyfish herd with more tenure to crap on us worse than they are already doing.
Oak; thanks.
What was throwing me was that it looked like some kind of transparent screen through which Jane was looking. ???
I just figured out that it was an image of what she was looking at.
If only the government were so proactive with the criminals who sent the economy into a tailspin.
This is pure INSANITY
How many more ways can our own goverment use, abuse, and create the shame of intelligence agencies, police, military, and citizens of this country?
Humiliation should be on the mind of the people that have done and are doing this to America. You’d think we were living in a Communist state!
This is definitely not America, nor is it the Freedom and Loyality to the people that we deserve! This has absolutely nothing to do with terror, but oppression and dictatorship of the people. North Korea works the same way, does it not?
Preparing and drumming up charges beforehand is the most conceited acts ever for a Democracy! Please! Let’s no longer call that Putrid piece of legislation the Patriot Act. There is NOTHING patriotic about it.
“They hate us for our freedoms.” OMG! WHAT FREEDOMS?
Hear-Hear!
Speculate and bet on our country going up in flames! Goldman Sacks and Wall Street are the ultimate terrorists!
Well now, that has just convinced me to pay up my dues and join.
Everyone in intel is sworn to devotion to duty, as are their working dogs and subcontractors in the security trade. It happens to be their job to know stuff before it can happen, and how to find it in the first place. Your best approach is to sleep inside a lead-shielded in-ground safe where they can’t get at your dreams.
That is true. However, their sworn duty is to the United States and not a bunch of crazed despots!
Email ‘time stamps’ — like the “10:50 am” of the Meyers exhibit here — are meaningless on their face.
What is the email author’s name — is that a typo? Weirdness.
The closing paragraph reveals rewriting and obvious sloppiness.
Very weird.
Dan Choi tweeted the first public announcement of the event here.
This was the first public mention of the event, anywhere. It’s time stamped 7:55. It must mean PST, because it was after the visit to Reid’s Office (as the tweet references). That would be 5 minutes AFTER the email exchange DOI’s Randolph Myers had with Parks Police.
And clearly much after the earlier phone conversation Myers references.
They probably have signed Letters of Transit to Lisbon and oral guarantees of pardons. Their dogs can distinguish between foreign and domestic enemies.
Some MyFDL thread time stamps are farther west than PS/DT. Some regular FDL blog threads are sometimes stamped in any of the four time zones.
While anyone ought to be able to chain themselves to the WH fence, it would not be the police pressing charges, that would take a prosecutor of some kind. It appears that Myers recognizes this from the attached letter. The police really wouldn’t get into what charges are pressed against anyone (although you often hear the police say they should be involved in that).
When you live in a “nation of laws” better make sure your vote counts other wise others are going to make the “laws” you have to live by. Money makes the laws in this place, not votes anymore. Add the two tiered legal system and voila! Still think this a “nation of laws?” “Everything Hitler did was legal.”
The 9/11 “laws” are being used at every turn to quash any and all dissent under 0. The Stars and Stripes are truly upside-down!
Maybe we ought to role up one of those new-fangeled body scanners and then make all protesters chain themselves naked. Hell, we could sell the video and start a Super-PAC! Hey, we need more celebrities! Central casting…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMnmprj9jSY&feature=related
oops, forgot to add, “the scanners and the naked” (sounds like a book?) are so that we can prove that no one is hiding a bong or something…
Chaining oneself to the WH fence has a long, colorful history, this was hardly the first time anyone had tried it. But I’ll have to take a pass on the scanner idea. You really do not want to see the vast majority of Americans in one of those.
If King Chaos spent half as much time on the problems in this country as he does trying to deny the rights of it’s citizens we would be climbing out of this repub shithole by now. However, his insane belief that he is right and everyone else is wrong is destroying this country. I honestly believed no one would ever pass dubya on the idiot scale, however King Chaos has done it in 2 1/2 years. Amazing.
To big brother: I’m going to the john now.
Thank you for that link orionATL. It answers my questions as to why Dan Choi has a case, and why Jane Hamsher’s tweets are so meaningful. For those who did not follow the link, here are the pieces I found helpful:
“The Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the Constitution limit prosecutorial discretion,(40) restricting the use of governmental power to investigate and prosecute crimes.(41) For example, it is undisputed that selecting a defendant for prosecution on the basis of race(42) or religion(43) is impermissible under the Constitution, as is targeting defendants for their exercise of constitutionally protected rights.(44) In addition, selection based on ethnicity,(45) political affiliation,(46) nation based on other arbitrary classifications may also be unconstitutional.(49) However, if the defendant is merely targeted because of criminal involvement, the selection is constitutionally proper.”
So, Dan Choi was selectively prosecuted at the request of the Department of Interior, and a victim of “…targeting defendants for their exercise of constitutionally protected rights.”
Also from orionATL’s link: In order for Dan Choi’s Attornney , “To prevail on the merits of a claim of selective prosecution and win relief, the defendant must establish: “(1) that other violators similarly situated are generally not prosecuted; (2) that the selection of the claimant was `intentional or purposeful’; and (3) that the selection was pursuant to an `arbitrary classification.’”(79) Thus, the defendant must first allege that a characteristic, such as race or ethnicity or protected conduct, provided the basis for the improper selection. The defendant must then establish that others similarly situated (the control group) have not been prosecuted for similar conduct.(80) As discussed below, the task of demonstrating both that the defendant has been singled out on an impermissible basis and that others similarly situated have not been prosecuted is formidable.”
If David H is correct in that, “Chaining oneself to the WH fence has a long, colorful history, this was hardly the first time anyone had tried it.” I am guessing that Dan Choi has a pretty good case. Unfortunately, every time someone discusses a Judge, they invariably end up discussing their political leanings, and it is therefore still at issue as to whether laws or judgements have anything to do with legal or just.
They’re probably lucky that the Dept. of Interior took the lead. The Dept. of State would have given their hired Blackwater/Xe thugs immunity and told them to make the protesters disappear.
OT–silly question, but why can the gov’t arrest peaceful demonstrators?
Is Hillary getting any donations for pushing the pipeline?
ooooh, Welcome to the Lake Clark !
fyi firedogs – Clarknt67 was also on the fence that day
it was reported here at the Lake – Current Chief Tar Sands Lobbyist worked on the Clinton 08 Campaign
When all is said and done prosecute Barry.
Violation of fundamental American civil rights.
Many / most violated.
Don’t let him think from now going forward
it’s without a price.
Hey David H.:
“Chaining oneself to the WH fence has a long, colorful history, this was hardly the first time anyone had tried it.”
No shit? Really? Wow, I must have just fallen off the turnip truck! Can’t even crack a joke in here without being sanctimoniously lectured to in here. Sheeeeeeeesh!
Yeah and all those previous times they used Homeland Security as an excuse to pre-arrest people? I was talking about what 0 did.
Yes really.
um, pre-arrest? Let’s stay conscious if at all possible, ok?
Daryl Hannah was arrested at the White House today for refusing the move from the sidewalk. She was there to protest the Keystone XL oil pipeline:
See video at the link.
Number one, Spammers don’t hack systems, they register as users — just as you do.
And two, no member information is kept on this system.
Happy to clear that up, wouldn’t want anyone perpetuating these myths any more.
The tweet also did not mention that they planned to chain themselves to the White House fence, as the Park Police were told when they were briefed that day prior to going to the White House — and the Park Police arrived there at 1:30, before the protesters did.
Thanks for finding that tweet though, I was looking for it!
This government represents those criminals.
Who are you clearing this up for? I looked quickly through the comments. Must have missed the comment(s) you’re responding to.
comment #29
This entire episode does indeed seem to reek of DOJ’s panic over unlawful methods of gathering information that inadvertently came to light. Since they would have a difficult time making a credible case of national security to justify the warrantless wiretapping/email capturing that is pretty clearly the elephant in the living room here, they are acting perhaps less out of petty vindictiveness than out of desperation to buy time so they can think of a strategy to deny/shred their way out of this turkey.
Either way, it’s clear that from at least Holder on down, they’re in deep doodoo. It’s one of those “oh shit” moments that, after you’ve been around a while you learn to recognize in the machinations of people like the low-level George that get stuck with the mess.
OK, maybe the vindictiveness part still plays in, or they never would have gotten themselves into this mess.