As more signs indicate the economy has stalled and unemployment is likely to remain way too high for years to come, the American people are moving towards prioritizing spending to create jobs over deficit reduction. From the latest Pew poll:
Americans are now evenly divided over whether the federal government should prioritize spending to help the economy recover or reducing the budget deficit: 47% say spending to help the economy should be the higher priority, while 46% say reducing the budget deficit. In June, 52% viewed reducing the deficit as the higher priority compared with 42% who prioritized spending to help the economy. In February, the public was, as now, more evenly divided. Democrats remain far more likely to prioritize spending on the economy (61%), than deficit reduction (32%), and their views are largely unchanged from two months ago. But the balance of opinion among independents has shifted markedly. In June, independents prioritized deficit reduction by a 15-point margin (54% vs. 39%). Today, independents are split evenly over this tradeoff (46% deficit reduction, 47% spending to help the economy).
Unlikely just two months ago there is now a slim plurality of the country ready to embrace real spending on jobs programs. A five point increase over two months is a rather impressive amount of movement on what could be considered a fairly fundamental question of government ideology. More government spending to create jobs is exactly what Keynesian economics prescribes. The fact that, without realizing it, more Americans are open to the idea of Keynesian spending to help the economy is remarkable given how the top leadership in both political parties have trumpeted the importance of deficit reduction over all else for so long. And Republicans have been openly disparaging Keynes, just as they did in the Great Depression.
The change in attitudes is a reflection of just how seriously worried regular people are right now about what they perceive as the worsening state of the economy. Since the last time Pew asked this question the number of people who think the economy is getting worse has increase by over 10 points according to Gallup’s tracking poll.
Given how much the public opinions of leaders can shape the views of their base, if President Obama had actually spent the last several months promoting the need for more spending on jobs programs instead of foolishly feeding the deficit hysteria, we might actually have a real majority of the nation wanting to prioritize jobs creation over deficit reduction.





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Osterity doesn’t believe in Keynes either. Whatever economics classes he may have taken at Hahvahd they were undoubtedly taught by Friedmaniacs. And being from Chicago why would he go against the Chicago Boys? Just cuz they destroyed the economies of Chile, Argentina, Poland and Russia is no reason to believe the Chicago School Brats weren’t right.
I think most people realize we cannot get out of this hole without a ladder.
I hate to see us spend federal money where we usually get only 40 cents on the dollar return with the rest going to bureaucratic red tape, graft and corruption, but I think our options are few.
sure as things get worse the people who didnt care about the “others” finally realize their turn has come…and their childrens turn too…but guess what??…because not enough cared and not enough are intelligent enough to realize what is being done to them…ITS TO LATE!!.
Unemployment will not go down for 10 years and real unemployment is at least 20%.
housing will not turn around for 25 years so forget the future too…
and massive cuts will be coming to SS medicare and every other program but the war budget because wall street has told its lacky politicians THEY want it all.
you think perry was picked because he can solve problems?
we are only at the start of the greatest economic depression ever seen…
no one knows where it will end up…and everyone knows it can not be prevented.
If one listens to the political class and the corporate media it would seem Americans are moving toward an acceptance of social Darwinism.
No, no, no, SD! With all due respect, you simply aren’t looking at this “right.” Those Chicago boyz vastly *improved* the economies of Chile, Argentina, Poland & Russia… for the vast great PROFIT of the Oligarchs!! CHA-CHING!!!!
Get with the program, man. /s
Well it can be prevented or at least ameliorated and improved. But it won’t be prevented bc the PTB will vastly benefit from Team USA being a third world country. And that’s what this is all about… completing the transformation of Team USA into a banana republic.
Obama is a fraud.
De-elect the president.
heh, heh, yeah, I do have a problem with looking at things the reich way.
I can’t wait to see what the PTB say when deflation hits like cluster bombs all over the country.
But Benny “Shoots” Bernanke just today said that the economy is sprouting some real juicy boogers out its nose. And the market ate ‘em up.
I think the public has figured out that, contrary to what the Rethugs are telling them, the actions this administration in its early days took to boost the economy worked. Now that the money has run out for those programs, and we are once again seeing a decline, the public has run the gamut of possibilities and deduced that more stimulus is needed. Now if only politicians would catch up and/or stand up…
Yes. It is possible to eat your cake and Havad it too. Havad has a long history of having its boyz beat on the working classes, especially when the working class demanded “Bread and roses, too …” During the mill strikes, Havad boyz got what amounted to extra credit for their “efforts: at “crowd control” which crowds were, for a very long time ,depicted in the Boston newpapers as “unruly rioters, hiding behind women and children” even though those women AND children worked in the mills …
Osterity, Sunstein, and Kagan proudly uphold such “tradition”, SD.
DW
Eh? I’m sure they’ll have the ways & means to protect their ASSets…
Well, except for Obama LLC and Congress where Tea Baggers, Blue Dogs and Supply Side economics reign supreme. Oh, almost excluded Beltway Media from the grand delusion, aka the Emperors New Clothes syndrome.
I think the MOTU have miscalculated greatly, that we are facing, as are they, the total and utter collapse of civil society … at which point all “bets” are off … and neither money nor violent repression will stem the tide of change which will overwhelm the small-minded fantastic fantasies which the oligarches have believed as children believe bed-time stories and power and wealth will be swept away like a disappearing sand bar …
The MOTU are going to lose that “control” which they have imagined and caused others to believe that they have, onitgoes.
DW
Well I agree with the overall message if not the numbers.
It ain’t looking good.
And sadly it’s all a house of cards built on a foundation of shite.
As Dumas wrote, approx. 20 trillion has been pumped to keep the zombie facade going … no, no, look it’s alive, it moves, it mumbles, and it may want to eat your brains (homage to old school) but that’s a small problem, I swear it’s alive.
20 TRILLION!!!
We could have ushered in a new age of prosperity for ALL with that. But instead it was used to keep the monster “alive”.
How many more trillions need to pumped in as the flesh has already started to decay, and rot off?
It ain’t pretty. And soon it will just fall apart, guts everywhere.
Bread and Roses
Jon, I must take issue with your phrase ‘foolishly feeding the deficit hysteria.’ That is not an apt description of what has tanked Obama’s numbers in the polls, and you are skating around the perimeter of what he was rightly perceived to be doing.
Obama created quite deliberately a deficit hysteria, true, but his aim was anything but foolish – unless you take into account that he was bound not to succeed in duping the American public, which is a point I will grant. But in this analysis and in the one you give after this in the next post, you are leaving out the elephant in the room. And that is his Grand Bargain which thank God he could not achieve, which put Social Security and other social programs into the cauldron.
Why did you leave out Social Security, Jon? To me, that was the huge bale of straw that broke the camel’s back. Obama intended to put it on the chopping block and he still intends to do so. If you leave that out of the conversation you are not putting forward history as she has been made.
America is far from ready to dismantle the New Deal. Particularly not in this time of stock market gyrations to feed the greedy and no jobs anywhere on the horizon, plus looming further environmental degradation on behalf of Big Oil. There was a great PBS documentary they still occasionally air on the building of Hoover Dam – people desperate for any kind of work flooded the area and presented themselves out of hastily constructed shanty towns in the desert for hazardous duty because there was no alternative – and Bechtel got its start. Great for corporations, horrible for ordinary people who were treated like slaves. That’s where they are hoping we will all end up. That’s the Big Picture. That’s the Grand Bargain.
Tell it like it is, Jon, please.
Well maybe.
I think when it happens, their hordes, who are so convinced in corporate power and the power of Dawg, will still support them.
I think it will be approx. 50-50 split.
And when that happens I suggest we start our own country.
Isn’t that the philosophy wherein you pay down the debt when times are good?
Americans want no part in Keynesianism.
We are suffering just now from a bad attack of economic pessimism.
A beautiful rendition, SD, thank you.
I hope that everyone might take a couple of minutes to listen …
DW
Spoken like a true Paulite.
Thirty years of reagonomics-lower taxes for the rich, less regulation, less unions(always a hallmark of fascism), smaller government in the social programs area. And the country has been raped and looted. thirty years of the baby boomers moving from teenagers thru their peak earning years/ aided by the raise in productivity because of computers. And the country has not only been raped and looted but the middle class has not kept up with inflation even after sending more and more wives into the workplace and pulling $ out of home equity to keep spending up. Tell me conservative dems and reubpicans where the great success promised by reganomics is???? Obama supporters please tell me why the great speach giver has not explained the failings of reganomics to the people??? i am holding my breath (and my nose) waiting,waiting…..
It is common to hear people say that the epoch of enormous economic progress is over; that the rapid improvement in the standard of life is now going to slow down; that a decline in prosperity is more likely than an improvement in the decade which lies ahead of us.
And your point is…
Well and truly said, juliania.
Though I consider that the Grand Bargain is a fantasy that will take down the fantasizers as well as their intended victims; the people and the planet’s capacity to support human life … the charade will continue for a time yet, possibly several years, likely months, but the osilations grow daily more extreme and it cannot hold. Time, I think, to turn our minds to the task of what to do then.
What do you see or imagine?
DW
Whoa, this ought to be good, SD, I’m on the edge of me seat … alan1tx?
DW
It’s been said before.
John Maynard Keynes,
Economic Possibilities for our
Grandchildren
(1930)
I ask what your point is and you refer me to a book to read? What, you can’t paraphrase his thoughts?
A book that pre-dates his General Theory by 6 years, no less.
Back to work
Namaste
The prevailing world depression, the enormous anomaly of unemployment in a world full of wants, the disastrous mistakes we have made, blind us to what is going on under the surface to the true interpretation. of the trend of things. For I predict that both of the two opposed errors of pessimism which now make so much noise in the world will be proved wrong in our own time-the pessimism of the revolutionaries who think that things are so bad that nothing can save us but violent change, and the pessimism of the reactionaries who consider the balance of our economic and social life so precarious that we must risk no experiments.
I just found it interesting that it sounds like Keynes was reading any of these FDL posts 80 years ago.
I would agree with that. I am making 12% less than I did 20 years ago. The attitudes and practices that got us to prosperity have changed. Possibly forever. The wealthy, the corporations, and the government look at the middle class as pack horses, existing only to further their existance. The old adage of “a rising tide lifts all boats” works onlY IF YOU HAVE A BOAT.
I liked that post.
So, you are saying you are an “optimistic pessimist”????
As well, Keyes was one who believed that changed circustances reguires, sometimes, changed thinking. How sanguine might he be given the “conditions” faced today?
It is not a mere or slight reduction in “living standards” and possibilities ww face at this time, clearly, but massive and destructive upheaval and the destruction of the socisl contract.
I suspect that even Pollyana might be a wee bit annoyed with this commenter’s bright and cheeerful “outlook”, missing, as it does, any apparent connection to either present reality or obvious and widespread human plight.
DW
I have a question if someone will indulge me. I am not an economist and I try to learn here. I have seen many posts by knowledgeable people here saying that we really do not have a deficit problem so why are we concerned about a poll that talks about deficit reduction as opposed to spending. Don’t we buy into the narrative that we have a deficit problem when we consider polls like these? Can someone help me understand?
You narrow the “outlook” of revolutionaries far too much, suggesting either they are given to violent “solution” or timidly unwilling to embrace substantive change.
Apparently you have NOT been hearing what has been and is daily being discussed at FDL?
DW
More debt and money printing will create more of the same. Austerity of government spending should begin with the overseas empire. Bring the troops home, end the wars, end the malinvestment in weapons procurement, foreign aid and the breaking things and killing people business.
With the end of this waste will come a vast increase in capital investment and jobs based on voluntary exchange. Voila, growth occurs, debt goes down.
I wonder who would not like this plan. Could it be the Pentagon, war profiteers, and their banker allies. War is a racket. Start there and then and then see what happens.
Such polls only serve the purpose of suggesting that a more considered appreciation of our collective plight is more widely shared as opposed to an essentially primitive and fear-based accptance of perceived wisdom. Such polls indicate the possibility of minds being more open.
That is all, popeye99.
Possibility.
That is what we have to work with, and actual experience confirms that more people every day are willing to entertain new and, or, different ideas. Ideas are where such change as is necessary must begin.
I hope you may find that of some use, as all is speculation, but some is merely financial while others regard human potential and “possibility”.
DW
What you suggest would be the height of wisdom, ohioralph, which is precisely why it will NOT be done. Wisdom would benefit everyone while power is interested in the few.
DW
Thank you I appreciate it.
The discussion confuses short and long run fiscal states. The deficit has risen in the short run because the country has fallen into a deep slump, which reduces tax revenues as it increases spending on unemployment and income support for the poor and unemployed. This is what we call a cyclical deficit, which is corrected by increasing output. In the short run the best way to increase output is by increasing government spending.
Tbe long run deficit is a different story, and more complicated. First, you have to estimate what a deficit (or surplus) would look like under current tax and spending regimes at full employment. Next, you have to ask whether that deficit is sustainable. Sustainability does not mean a zero deficit. A society can absorb additional debt in the degree that its real growth supports demand for it. In this respect, government debt is like money; there is a demand for it that grows with income. Only if debt grows faster than demand do you have a potential problem, and even then it may be a long way (read decades) off. The whole Village policy discussion on both these issues is worse than a crock of shit. It`s hopelessly (and I believe deliberately) confused.
If you are not a trained economist, don`t bother trying to read the General Theory. The argument is too elliptic. Even trained economists have found the density of his prose hard to get through,though as always in his writing, there are streaks of brilliance that smash you in the face. Better to read Hansen`s Guide to Keynes, which came out around 1940 or so as a duffer`s guide to the General Theory. It is clear and on the mark. A great book that has been forgotten.
hi Popeye!
My 2 cent’s worth – check out Barry Bluestone’s “Growing prosperity” it’s published through University Press. In plain language Barry explains the method in which sustainable economic growth AND economic prosperity for all Americans has been done, and can be done again – so long as we all demand it.
A bit of back story, Barry Bluestone’s dad was Walter Ruether’s secretary back when Walther was head of the UAW when labor was respected and paid heed to.
Thanks to Knut, Laura and DW. I am a sincere lightweight when it comes to this. You guys RAWK and that’s why I read here.
A story titled The Parable of the Water-Tank published in 1897, by Edward Bellamy shows some early understanding of the economic problems Keynes was trying to deal with. The need for stimulus in a depression is clearly demonstrated.
Many people criticize the story equating the economy with a water tank because it ignores both competition and increasing productivity. However, that was post WWII, when we had better competition and also both cheap energy and the environment was a nice sinkhole for pollution. Anyway most of the story just deals with why the depression drags on and on and on.
Enjoy the Humor, Prophesy, and Keynesian Economics of The Parable of the Water-Tank
http://webspace.webring.com/people/hs/stewjackmail/introparable.html