I’ve found one of the saddest yet most common defenses of President Obama’s handling of his job to be the weird argument that it simply wasn’t possible for him to do a better job, or to do anything different from what he did. It always reminds me of the mantra of the misguided extreme optimist Dr. Pangloss in Candide, “all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.”
Ezra Klein is up with another post defending Obama with this same basic argument:
I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about ways in which the past few years could have gone differently. I’ve even come up with a few. But none of them lead to dramatically better outcomes today.
I can come up with scenarios in which President Obama accomplished somewhat less — perhaps by scaling back the health-care plan — and lost fewer seats in the midterm election. I can come up with scenarios in which the White House accomplished marginally more — perhaps by using the reconciliation process for an energy bill — but paid a greater political cost. I can come up with scenarios in which the stimulus was slightly more visible — perhaps it could have wiped out the payroll tax entirely — or slightly larger or included a long-term deficit reduction component.
But I’ve never been able to come up with a realistic scenario in which a lot more got done, the economy is in much better shape, and the president is dramatically more popular today. Anything that even comes close is really a counterfactual of what the chairman of the Federal Reserve could have done, and I’m not confident that I understand Bernanke’s constraints nor that a more massive intervention on the part of the Fed would have been the cure-all some suggest.
This is truly a sad lack of imagination. The possibilities of what Obama could have done differently are endless.
Even with the constraints of Congress, Obama could have behaved radically different. I can’t be confident of the outcome, but Obama didn’t need health care reform right away, wasting a year on hopeless bipartisan compromise. Instead, he could have gone after the Recovery Act, remained focused on housing relief, debt relief, and promoted more jobs legislation. Obama had a lot of political capital at the time and significant majorities in Congress. He could likely have passed many small follow up stimulative laws in 2009. Instead, he pivoted away from the economic crisis because he wrongly ignored those who warned the crisis was going to get worse.
Even if you believe Senate Republicans would have used the filibuster to stop every attempt at more stimulus, Obama could have used reconciliation to pass more stimulus measures with only 50 votes in the Senate. One example: is I wanted health care reform to have the Medicaid expansion start right away. If done right, that could have been an extra $50 billion of stimulus in 2010.
Most importantly though, Obama has not even fully used the power he has to take action without Congress. To begin with, he could have done something smart with the $30 billion for HAMP instead of allowing his administration to turn the program into a disaster. He could have used the Conservatorship of Fannie and Freddie to push for “own to rent” or aggressive mortgage modification. Similarly, Obama could have recess-appointed someone besides Ben Bernanke to head the Federal Reserve and recess-appointed two other progressives to the empty seats on the board.
I can easily see many plausible ways Obama could have directly or indirectly gotten another few hundred billion of stimulus injected into the economy in 2009 and 2010.
The President of the United States is not all powerful, but a President whose party fully controls Congress with big majorities has power. To act like the President simply couldn’t have taken a different path that would have produced a very different outcome is silly. Let’s not act like the destiny of the most powerful man in Washington is practically pre-ordained.






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Especially, consider all that Bush accomplished with his “mandate.” How soon we forget…
After all Obama was only a President with the largest majorities in a generation. It is crazy to expect he could have do things differently.
Ezra is all into the veal pen while Josh Marshall has moved through the veal pen, out the back gate and into conservativeland. You should read the absolutely glowing report he just posted on Perry. No, he didn’t author it but he put it up at the top of the front page. I won’t link to it, all of you can find your own way to TPM. Me? I’ve deleted the link to that site. Permanently.
Thanks for doing this Jon.
I could never stomach it. I mean how many Obot defenses can you possibly read before you throw up? I’m past the point of being able to.
One thing no one mentions is that FDR’s WPA and CWA, and a host of others were DONE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER!!!
Techincally, he could read this comment, pull out his pen, and voila, like magic have a new deal. Like magic, put people back to work. Like magic turn the US Titanic around.
But he will NOT. He chooses not to. And it’s not because he’s afraid or they have something on him. It’s because he believes in what his masters believe in – CORPORATE CONTROL.
Ya, we’re really going to need a list or something to keep up with all those who have joined the corporatists.
I mean is there anyone they haven’t bought, yet?
I like the part where dear leader asks people to ” make him do it ” and then when they try, like the doctors for single payer well , he had them arrested.
Obama and his supporters do not have a Panglossian view of the world, they are on some quixotic quest for compromise and are in denial of the facts in front of them.
“At the approach of danger there are always two voices that speak with equal force in the heart of man: one very reasonably tells the man to consider the nature of the danger and the means of avoiding it; the other even more reasonable says that it is too painful and harassing to think of the danger, since it is not a man’s power to provide for everything and escape from the general march of events; and that it is therefore better to turn aside from the painful subject till it has come, and to think of what is pleasant. In solitude a man generally yields to the first voice; in society to the second.”- LEO TOLSTOY, War and Peace
“The speed of the human mind is remarkable. So is its inability to face the obvious.”-SIMON MAWER, The Gospel of Judas
Great point.
We need a list of all the times where people have tried to “make him do it” and then were arrested.
Recently, the pipeline protest.
The man is not now and never has been up to the job. And we should have seen that.
I don’t think we need a list. It’s pretty obvious in Marshall’s and Klein’s cases.
The Great Deceiver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R227Mho8Ymc
Man o man I wish my old profile hadn’t been nuked; I did an EXACT riff on Obama as Candide, complete with the Bernstein and everything!
heh – “Best of All Possible Worlds”
Yeah, he doesn’t have any problem starting more wars without Congress.
Hey Margaret, do you know what the name of the list with all the betrayals is called, so I can google it.
What is it up to 300 now?
Obama and Marshall suffer from the same malady, elitism. We once had liberal elitists and there are still too many of them but the worst they ever did was champion impractical programs. Centrist elitists were educated in the same schools with their Republican soulmates and they just plain cannot think outside the same box no matter their advanced Ivy degrees.
First off, Obama could have canned Bernanke and the other Bushites. Obama could have not hired Geithner. Obama could have kept his word on FISA and the wars.
Ezra is a corporate stooge media whore.
Ezra found his entrance to the MSM and in so doing, he had to check whatever slim principles he may have had at the door. Media Whores are not paid to think. They are paid to lie.
Ezra is not stupid. Obama is not stupid. They are prostitutes.
And he’s starting more and/or planning to start more.
But we should really stop calling them wars.
When we carpet bomb them with drones, and supposedly no US personnel, then we should call them something else, like what it really is – a SLAUGHTER.
We’re at least 2 gens ahead in military superiority. It’s not a competition. The same reason fighting 10 year olds is not a competition. It’s a slaughter.
Endless possibilities for mounting the salvage operation.
In fact, all he had to do to get the ball rolling was run some real legislation up to the hill and dare the repubs to filibuster. After a couple of those, he could have had his first Fireside Chat and reminded the american people that he was TRYING to effect some real change from the monumental fuckups that he inherited, and they would have fallen on the repubs like a ton of bricks. And the GOP would have collapsed like a house of cards.
A bill with an honest-to-God public option would have done it.
A bill in the house, stripping the health insurance robber barons of their exemption from the anti-trust laws would have done it.
Closing the prison at Gitmo would have done it, just as earnest money that he meant what he said when he ran…
Armed Federal Marshall’s moving on BP’s offices, both on and offshore, and impounding every hard-drive they found, would have done it.
All. HE. HAD. TO. DO. WAS. CONFRONT. THE. ASSHOLES.
And he would have been Captain America, and the republicans would have been chained under their troll bridges.
Next!
“If this is the best of all possible worlds, what are the others?”
- Voltaire, Candide, Chapter 6
It just doesn’t wash. The Dems had control in 2009 and they failed again and again and again. it’s almost like Obama and the Dem party don’t want him to have a second term.
Also WPA and many of the New Deal programs were EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
Ie. he can pull out a pen whenever he wants, and voila, … but he won’t.
It was $50B for HAMP. And the Administration added to that a promise for cramdown, which would have been leverage to accomplish more loan modifications.
The real recess appointment that would have helped was Joseph Smith to the FHFA, the overseer of Fannie and Freddie. One of the problems with using F&F for mortgage debt relief has been the inability to move the acting director to do it. That position has been vacant since August 2009.
Remember not all dems are progressive. So the progressive agenda was never much of a reality.
The whole “golly Obama tries so hard oh noes what could he doooooooo with all the meanie Weepwubwicans ‘n all” meme is old tired nonsense. IF Obama isn’t UP to the task of taking on the *opposition* then what’s the point of him getting the job?
Obama is NOT “in over his head,” or NOT “up to the task,” or “constrained by the Republicans & Blue Dogs.”
Obama was hired by the upper 2% to do the job he’s doing; he’s got spine & balls a-plenty to do their bidding. Obama’s a rightwing NeoCon, NeoLiberal Republican masquerading as a putative “Democrat.”
Obama declares Wars without Congressional approval; he declared Pfc Bradley Manning guilty in public before trial; he’s permitted whistleblowers to be kicked under the bus; he permitted Shirely Sherrod to be FIRED, fer gawd’s sake (or asked for her to be fired).
Agree that the argument that Obama “can’t help it” is so weak that it’s ridiculous, and why Obama supporters are *satisfied* with the notion that Obama cannot do anything except roll-over and pander to Republicans is beyond me.
Now days I hear Ivy league, I grab what few bucks I have, because their kind will steal pennies from homeless children if they can.
Harvard, Chicago business school, and all those others … training houses for sociopaths.
My friend Anne is a dyed in the wool, card carrying, partisan Democrat who is 54 and has never not voted since she turned 18. I mean never. She told me yesterday she’s sitting this next election out.
Meanwhile, Obama and his campaign claims to have a messaging problem and not a policy problem.
Moron.
I can’t come up with a scenario in which Ezra Klein is worth reading or listening to.
Or breathing for that matter.
With Klein’s exculpatory bullshit and a buck, We can all get a cup of coffee on the morning of the general election in 2012.
Gee, I don’t know, maybe even just not pushing bipartisanship over good governance. Perhaps not entering every negotiation by giving away half of your position, rather then demanding compromise on the part of the other party to achieve that. Perhaps actually championing the struggling homeowners and not just the embarrassed financial wizards to the point that the banks got that if they wanted government help, they had to help struggling mortgage holders. None of which would have cost the government in the long run, but would have helped many of those who got left behind, and indicated a desire to lead not just give everything away for a little peace, assuring the support of many of us. Ezra, think of it this way the President is losing fans because they make it clear they DON’T want to play the game. It is like telling the opposing team we hate when players tackle each other so we will spot you 2 touchdowns and a field goal and promise only to try to block your passes, and then being surprised when you lose the game and the fans rush throw things on the field.
Obama LLC, Senate (Reid) and Congress (Boner) as The Three Stooges, except not slap stick comedy, but a circle jerk. Interesting how little was accomplished in Dem Congress under Bush II and less under Dem Administration and Congress under Bush III since 2009. Guess that says who’s side they’re not on.
Obama got the job because he talked a good game and too many folks fell for it. But you’re correct that there’s no point now in getting him the job in 2012.
Ezra is right — given his implicit assumption. If you propose and fight for only what is possible, and let your opponent decide what is possible, you can only achieve what is possible — at best. This is a political identity.
Obama can say that he achieved 98% of what he wanted — with a straight face — because he only wanted what was possible as defined by Republicans.
I’m going to have to write a diary about how many New Deal FDR programs were EXECUTIVE ORDERS!
He could literally pull out a pen at this very moment and make it happen.
I do have to say that expanding Afghanistan was always on the agenda, even during the campaign. It was one the things that bothered me a lot about Obama.
Yeah, it’s a variation on Harry Reid’s “we don’t have the votes” No matter how many votes they have, they never have the votes
Nice analysis buzz and spot on. Obama has never asked the people who supported him what we want, he’s only ever asked the Republicans what he could have.
Obama must be the unluckiest President in history. He comes in after Bush uses the power of the Presidency to run the country into the ground for 8 years, then discovers that as of January 2009, the Presidency has no power.
I’ve got a Senator Harvard and a Senator Yale with a law degree from Chicago.
Oh F me.
Actually I mean F you. Since those credentials, you are literally FUBARed.
Of course so are the rest of us.
Harvard’s new motto: We don’t make sociopaths, we just train them to be better … sociopaths.
Executive orders are not a great way to get things done. Unless, of course, you’re ok with repub presidents using them too. Personally i am not but the rules don’t change when the party in the WH changes. If legislation is properly and soberly written, it should be passable.
Notice the scenarios Wee Ezra mentions:
How about scenarios in which Obama didn’t cut the secret deal to drop the public option and Medicare drug price negotiation — in other words, those parts of the proposed health-care reform package that the public actually wanted — and thus allowed the Democrats to keep both Houses in 2010?
How about using reconciliation to pass both a $2T stimulus AND a health care bill with a public option?
Genuine health care reform, if it took effect quickly, could have been a boost for the economy. It would have been worth doing if it could have been run through the legislative process quickly, like everything Bush did in his first term.
We know President Obama can be tough with progressive legislators. Witness the infamous Air Force One plane ride of Rep. Dennis Kucinich. When he boarded the plane, Kucinich was in favor of a robust public option (better than the one that passed the House). After the plane ride, he voted for health care “reform” without any public option at all.
2 phrases come to mind
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA
anybody but Ezra
both equally not efficacious
Did you ever think that maybe it is not elitism but money? I have noticed lately that TPM has mostly crazies on it front page. It looks like there is more money to be made with Republicans than with Democrats. But, then who knows, he is possibly getting paid off by the Obama campaign to convince that things could be worse, we could have a Tea Partier as our pres.
He is a bad man.
it is a wealth stream,that flows from left and right up to down
there is ubiquitous cash
You mean like the debt ceiling? Stop being deliberately obtuse. The ‘baggers in the House aren’t going to pass anything anybody left of extreme right wing wants and McConnell’s stated goal is to obstruct in order to damage Obama. You know these things, just like we know them. Go piss down somebody else’ back and tell them it’s raining.
Just a reminder, please don’t feed the trawls. They get paid for each response.
Do what I do, IGNORE THEM.
Yes, that was bothersome. Afghan was what Obama inferred to be a good and just “war”.
When I say wars, I mean to imply wars in the broadest sense. That is The Military Industrial Complex, Wars for the sake of Oil Companies, The financial largesse poured on Military Contractors, Drones, Halliburton, Dyncorp, The Lieberman/AIPAC National Security/Surveillance State, Palestinian Genocide, Kissinger Rumsfeld Pentagon, Neocon pre-emptive war, The war on the environment, The war on the poor, children and the aged, the war on the sick, the war on Green Energy…
The War ON Drugs. The Class War. The war on the truth. The war on Whistleblowers.
Margaret, with all due respect, please see my comment @47
mounds of money ,does that to a lot of people…the heir to the Johnson and Jonson fortune did a flick on it
We seem to be hell bent on “wars” that we can never win.
If that’s the case, can we have a war on poverty and hunger?
Name of flick please.
Hope it’s on yotube.
Although watching a documentary on sociopaths doesn’t sound too appealing. But oh well, the world we live in … run by sociopaths.
Obamacare is designed to kill Medicare. The idea is to
1) Make those without insurance buy it
2) Companies will then drop health care insurance forcing their employees to buy their own insurance. This is in effect an extra tax you will pay.
3) Medicare payments to doctors will be reduced to the point that no one can get coverage under Medicare, as doctors will no longer work for Medicare patients, so people now have to buy their own private insurance.
This is what Obama is offering Republicans, the death of Medicare. All the financial burden of health care is to be provided by the Regressive taxation; of forcing people to buy over priced health care policies, out of their own pocket.
There was a time when the prez sent bills up to The Hill. I can’t remember hearing about one single bill that the WH actually wrote and sent to Congress. Am I wrong?
Really?
You should know that besides anything else, Margaret has read and knows so much about the piss-poor legislation in this 112th Congress that she can damn well say anything at anytime to anyone she wants.
I know this for a fact because we meet about that exact topic EVERY WEEK.
She’s perfectly qualified for any troll smacking; especially on the topic of legislating.
Obama did do a lot–for the very wealthy and the national security state. Please don’t buy into the weak, compromise-seeking meme. They fail to account for what Obama is–a conservative with neo-liberal, Heritage Foundation economic policies. He did a lot of conservative damage to the economy and expanded the handout to the rich. He institutionalized Bush’s lawbreaking. He accomplished what Bush couldn’t–the undermining of the social safety net and he will succeed in cutting Social Security and Medicare. So he’s accomplished a lot and he basically said he would do this. He lied about some things to get the progressive vote but he was ostensibly a DLC-style neo-liberal.
He reminded me of Mao, when he set his own party up fro a massive purge with his “Let a Thousand Flowers Bloom” campaign egging on the intelligentsia to come forward and speak up. They promptly did so and all of them ended up in labor camps or worse. Obama is a fraud and liar. Like Mao he just wanted to see who had the nerve to oppose him and his Corp. masters.
Born Rich
The parties are as one in using the crazies as a distraction. I know what you mean about TPM. Josh got rid of reader diaries. All he wants are the ‘bots driving up traffic and the extra special smart people who get about 2 comments in the Cafe.
i used to wonder how the evil Nazis gained so much power
Ezra is living in the Truman Show.
I love how he thinks President Obama doing even less would have made him more popular or that he can “come up with scenarios in which the stimulus was slightly more visible — perhaps it could have wiped out the payroll tax entirely — or slightly larger…”
The stimulus was $800 billion a year over 2 years, the payroll tax raises $800 billion each year. Doubling the size of the stimulus package certainly would have helped (it still wouldn’t get us out of the woods without genuine banking reform), but a 100% increase is neither “slightly” more visible nor “slightly” larger. Oh yeah and when James effin’ Baker is saying kill the zombie banks, then the non-corrupt policy solution is kill the zombie banks.
bank boards of directors and senior management should be replaced and, unfortunately, shareholders will lose their investment. Optimally, bondholders would be wiped out, too. But the risk of a crash in the bond market means that bondholders may receive only a haircut. All of this is harsh, but required if we are ultimately to return market discipline to our financial sector.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/03/jim-baker-first-lets-kill-all-zombies.html
The bipartisan compromise was dead after summer recess.
It took a year to convince the rest of the Democrats to agree to his health care industry written law.
Exactly, alas, Obama is the biggest asshole. That’s when you consider all the power he did have:
1) the overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate.
2) good will here and around the world.
3) the bully pulpit to explain to the people WTF is happening and how it could have been fixed.
He could have:
1) shoot for the sky then seeing what might have to be scaled back rather tehn negotiate with himself as a republican. E.G. Single Payer was a no go from day one. Public Option, thrown under the bus while he still said he wanted it. Despicable.
2) Filibuster?? Oh No!!! Nuclear Option. Done.
3) His cabinet. A bunch of fucking Clinton DLC retreads, Corporate CEO’s, failed economists, and other assorted criminals who helped bring about this mess. W.T.F.!?!
4) Bankers. He had them by the throat. He could have ripped them apart, fired/investigated their CEO’s and executives and reformed them. He did that with GM with a tenth of the TARP bailout money to the banks.
5) Bu$hitCo, what wasn’t there to investigate?? Jesus H. Christ! Nope, have to look forward. Criminal prosecutions are just for whistleblowers exposing the corrupt system or political prisoners, like Don Seigleman.
6) Wars. Weren’t we supposed to be going in the opposite direction?
7) The Bureaucracy. Did you know that he did not ask for one Bu$hitCo appointed Attorney General? Fucking TROJAN trud.
8) Fuck.. you get it.
Just taking a different direction, explaining to the people (like FDR’s fireside chats), calling out the criminals, investigations and cleaning the house would have gone such a long way. The Reprobates were on the ropes and offered little resistance. He had a golden opportunity and he fucked it all away. Whether by omission or commission, stupidity or cunning plan, I no longer care. All I know is I will not vote for this asshole if and I will also vote against him for whomever has the greatest chance of shitcanning this useless TROJAN cancer on the Democratic party, and this country. I don’t care if Satan himself were running for President. FUCK OABAMA.
No, I don’t mean like the debt ceiling. I specifically said legislation soberly and properly written. Please read carefully before commenting.
My favorite moment in the HCR debacle was Jon Walker explaining that the reconciliation bill would trip over a Byrd rule point of order and so Democrats should go ahead and add amendments. They didn’t, it tripped over the Byrd rule (after Tom Coburn duped Senate Democrats into going on the record voting in favor of giving Viagra to convicted sex offenders) and it had to go back to the House anyway. Idiots.
Good will around the world? Yeah that’s gone. If anything the US is even more unpopular now than it was when GWB was president. Thanks Obama
Jeebus, more intellectual masterbation from the majority of white America. And yes, white America. Take, for example, Pelosi and Hoyer on the House side and Reid and Durbin on the Senate side, as well as Biden, never had the cojones to explain to Obama that the “heart and soul” of the Democratic Party is the Great Society and this all-encompassing Gold Standard animates Democrats.
Furthermore, one of the insignificant elements of this Gold Standard is Legal Aid for the economically disadvantaged. To wit, with increased funding and knowing that the Housing Crisis was factually critical to the American Dream, Legal Aid attorneys would have been at the forefront for addressing lost homes as well as for homes being underwater, and thusly, almost doubled the numbers for being Economically Disadvantaged. Thus, thousands of legal aid attorneys battling in state and federal courts from all points on the compass, would have galvanized the public to a righteous cause, and today, the housing crisis is now dependent on a handful of atate attorney generals challenging the Big Banks, while the Obama administration’s conservative Democrats are arm-twisting the state attorney generals “to settle” and thus, no issue will be available to the Republicans for their “attack mode” for this election cycle.
So, pardon me when I hear and listen to Ezra Klein and many others ‘fantasizing’ about what could have been accomplished. And to call these white guys, as being “perceived” as Progressive, is at best “faint praise” that is usually found in the political gutter. As such, these folks were in support of Bush and Cheney’s AUMF, and they continue to ‘con’ the Center_Right and make big bucks for doing so. Now, if Ezra Klein were to come out to the Sonoran Desert, i.e., Native Americans, Chicano and African Americans, and to praise Obama with this charlatan crappola, each would be “ostracized” and done with at most, quiet fanfare. As such, there would be no loud clapping from the audience, other than each individual member would stand up from their chairs and rotate the body and where all would be facing the entry ways found in the back of the room and far away from the podium.
As you can now see, my disgust with Klein and others for the “fantasy” for intellectual laziness or criminal stupidity, has no bearing on what the majority of white America will accomplish or fail to accomplish. However, my self-restraint and which animates my Patience, has been dialed up to the point that Klein and others do not receive a dignified response for any affirmation of this egregious behavior of theirs.
Jaango
Has Obama actually written any sober and proper legislation? Please don’t bring up the craptastic health care reform bill.
4) Bankers. He had them by the throat. He could have ripped them apart, fired/investigated their CEO’s and executives and reformed them. He did that with GM with a tenth of the TARP bailout money to the banks.
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even ole evil,criminal Joe Kennedy had more moral courage,than this charlatan
Ummm, just re-instituting the rule of law might have been enough for me, after living thru Bush/Cheney.
Thanks. Saved me a load of typing.
That’s what you mean, whether you want to admit it or not.
No, that was the point.
If it was, i would have said so. Just read more carefully. No need to be touchy.
Obama has done what the republicans could not do. I would say that so far his presidency is a complete success.
He has completely destroyed the middle class, jailed whistle-blowers and protesters, expanded the Bush/Cheney Doctrine, turned torture into the Policy of Truth.
One could say the President and Policy of deliberate ambiguity has completed 80% of a four year term in two and a half. Now thats success.
…Except when it comes to assassinating citizens, going to war, etc.
” It always reminds me of the mantra of the misguided extreme optimist Dr. Panglos”
Thanks for bringing up THAT FOOL Panglos, i say that fool because Voltaire used him as such.. Ocassionally i stumble across some of supply side, freemarket nonsense online and ive noticed that ever since Krugman was recently quoted referencing the “panglossian economics” of the chicago crooks, you know half of obamas cabinet, anyway apparently the right has been doing what they do and defending the undefendable, explaining the unexplainable and somewhere along the line one of the usual suspects must have attempted to rehabilitate pangloss, you know, so he could then attack Krugman for being wrong..Its SOP in rightwing rhetoric…change history in an imaginary, rhetorical way, then attack your opponent in the present for being wrong in your alternate reality. well some buffoon who conducts some kind of tea party blog, i really didnt stick around to get his name…was going on about “the great dr. pangloss”, and what “the great dr. pangloss would say if he were here”..you really have to alternate between laughing and crying hysterically at the futility of that whole thinking concept as it applies to these people. they can be led like sheep, you just have to find the correct emotional hook to catch one of thier nostrils with. the problem is you’d have to be a really mean person to want to do that to them and thats why they all watch fox news…they read literature (when they read at all which isnt much) like empiral facts, and they treat proveable, empirical knowledge as if it were a Richard Brautigan poem, by assining to it whatever meaning they think it should have, based on the way it makes them feel, subjectively.
He could have forced Fannie & Freddie to refi mortgages with principle reductions, as Marcy Wheeler pointed out. That’s hundreds of billions in economic stimulus right there. He could have at least tried to not let the banks suck every last drop of blood out of what remains of the economy. That in itself would have probably guaranteed his re-election.
But he never tried. Instead, he still says stupid things like, “government can’t create jobs,” even though he had a clear mandate to create those jobs anyway.
I guess my question at the moment is for people like Ezra: “What on earth do you think you’re accomplishing with this drivel you write? Who are you trying to convince and to what end? That we should just shrug and support this guy out of some fatalistic impulse?”
Is Josephine Sixpack going to give a tinker’s cuss about all these vapid excuses as she watches her neighborhood being destroyed in the depression? My own hunch is no, she won’t. Indeed, she’ll care even less once the
Supreme Soviet… erm… Super Congress does its thing in November.Wish him into the cornfields!
Then you should read the actual debt ceiling bill. It’s entirely sober and dead-serious.
There’s nothing un-serious about it in fact.
Expanding the moribund Afghanistan War into full-blown AfPak?
The devil made him do it?
Afghanistan
Operation Enduring Freedom
FY01/02.$20.8bn
FY03…..14.7
FY04…..14.5
FY05…..20.0
FY06…..19.0
FY07…..39.2
FY08…..43.5
FY09…..59.5
FY10….104.8 (Obama’s first budget)
FY11….119.4 (requested)
There’s your healthcare funding, Barry. Pissed away in a poor country on the other side of the earth.
Ha.
Conservatives love to dictate the parameters of the conversation, any conversation and what you’re attempting to do is no different. But, Surprise! I’m no patsy and I’m not going to roll over and allow you, (or anybody else not employed by the Lake), to determine for me what is appropriate, what is relevant and what is topical. Try again.
It’s entirely unserious. The very serious Paul Ryan didn’t write it.
/bs
ROFLMAO!! Peg well said….
unbelievable…pinch me
HCR was promoted by Obama to distract the serfs from focusing on the bailouts, massive fraud, and looting by the banks.
*grins*
Authorship on that one, btw is still out. Leahy’s office won’t return my call as to where the Senate version came from.
Sober it wasn’t and it had zero chance of passing. Which was my point.
You’re also not a very good reader. Anger without the ability to make sense is silly and you should drop it.
Just exactly which “it” piece of legislation that wasn’t sober and didn’t pass are you talking about?
A bill number would be great for starters.
You are out of bounds. Your contempt for FDL is evident so go some place else.
You mean you wrote #80 without knowing that?
Not to excuse Obama or anything but the country was taken over in increments since Reagan
Fox and Limbaugh pushed the propaganda. Once TARP was done, the government belongs to the rich, Wall Street and the mega-corporations.
The American people have been subjected to one Shock after another since 911.
Frankly, I no longer see the presidency as the powerful position it once was.
I think Obama would have been assassinated if he’d deviated from script very much at all.
For proof, I offer the very strange case of the Secret Service allowing the Saladis into that party early in his term. “OH! How COULD such a security breach HAPPEN!”
Just a little reminder to the prez how easy it would be………
When the Republicans take over in 2012, they will bring the country the rest of the way down. and it will LOOK like they have power, but they are just more eager to do the bidding of the MOTUs.
We lost this country in 2000 when we slept through the Supreme Court appointing our first dictator who almost immediately helped the Saudis attack the country. Reichstag II.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
I think you may very well be correct about that. HCR was something they could wave around as a distraction hoping that no one would notice all the rest of the dreck they were doing.
That’s why I said with all due respect.
She can do whatever she wants. I am NOT telling her what to do. Just a suggestion.
Flag his ass Twain.. If enough of us do he will be gone as he should.. He only created an account on the 16th and if you peruse his comments you WILL see the pattern you speak of.. Not worth the fonts for anything at all.. yup he should just slink back under his rock and lick his wounds….
He could have had arrested and tried bush and cheney for lying the country into war and torturing our fellow human beings.
Would it have tore the country apart and as the facts came to light he would have personally destroyed the republican party for generations.
We are in a death match with republicans and they didn’t need anymore help,thank you Mr president.
Why doesn’t that surprise me? They know an albatross when they see one and this one’s already dead.
Morons, plural??
Senator Obama supported FISA before he received the D presidential nomination. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/25/obama_defends_his_fisa_positio.html
There’s no antecedent in your comments as regards specific legislation. You only wrote about Executive orders – in the generic and not any specific response to any particular comment.
You see, I do read very well.
If you don’t like the idea of Executive orders as regards New Deal type programs and just generically commented, I can refer you to a couple of bills in the House right now that are sober and well crafted that can’t get out of committee.
The 21st Century CCC for starters.
And you’re still doing it. Now the soft chauvinism comes out and I’m just being “silly”. No, for the last time I don’t think I need any advice from you. And you accuse me of failing to read?
Best description of “War” in its proper Historical Post Industrial American Context EVER. Should be the first paragraph of the first chapter in your book about American Imperialism
I’m sorry, but we are looking forward! not backwards. /s
Morons? Moroni? Moronoid? Moronae?
Hmmmm……
Okay, that was being silly. So everybody can see the difference.
You are confusing comments made regarding executive orders with comments made regarding the debt ceiling. I don’t like executive orders because, as I said, they do not disappear when repubs are in the WH. If you are willing to champion executive orders when a repub is in the WH, well, then we part company on that issue.
My mother is an 89 year old “died in the wool” Democrat who has given to the DNC for years. Should she be with us next year she is sitting out the election also along with all of her family. I am 64 and have been a delegate at every Democrat State Convention for the past 30 years and I will not vote next year. A lot of people are going to be surprised Margaret because they are predicting that we will break down and vote in the end. I predict the press headlines after the 2012 election will read “What the Hell Happened” !!
I’d like to hear about that one, Kelly. Give me a name or bill # or somegthing. I’d like to check it out. My dad was in CCC and RAVED about it unbtil the day he died. It got an poor unemployed kid out of Newark-where he most likely would have gotten into real trouble and put him to good use and he and his mom got some money. Great idea then. Worked. i believe it would work again.
Sorry for the repost, but this needs to be a separate diary, and copied and pasted whenever any O story comes out. NAILED IT!
“FightTheFuture August 22nd, 2011 at 5:14 pm
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All. HE. HAD. TO. DO. WAS. CONFRONT. THE. ASSHOLES
Exactly, alas, Obama is the biggest asshole. That’s when you consider all the power he did have:
1) the overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate.
2) good will here and around the world.
3) the bully pulpit to explain to the people WTF is happening and how it could have been fixed.
He could have:
1) shoot for the sky then seeing what might have to be scaled back rather tehn negotiate with himself as a republican. E.G. Single Payer was a no go from day one. Public Option, thrown under the bus while he still said he wanted it. Despicable.
2) Filibuster?? Oh No!!! Nuclear Option. Done.
3) His cabinet. A bunch of fucking Clinton DLC retreads, Corporate CEO’s, failed economists, and other assorted criminals who helped bring about this mess. W.T.F.!?!
4) Bankers. He had them by the throat. He could have ripped them apart, fired/investigated their CEO’s and executives and reformed them. He did that with GM with a tenth of the TARP bailout money to the banks.
5) Bu$hitCo, what wasn’t there to investigate?? Jesus H. Christ! Nope, have to look forward. Criminal prosecutions are just for whistleblowers exposing the corrupt system or political prisoners, like Don Seigleman.
6) Wars. Weren’t we supposed to be going in the opposite direction?
7) The Bureaucracy. Did you know that he did not ask for one Bu$hitCo appointed Attorney General? Fucking TROJAN trud.
8) Fuck.. you get it.
Just taking a different direction, explaining to the people (like FDR’s fireside chats), calling out the criminals, investigations and cleaning the house would have gone such a long way. The Reprobates were on the ropes and offered little resistance. He had a golden opportunity and he fucked it all away. Whether by omission or commission, stupidity or cunning plan, I no longer care. All I know is I will not vote for this asshole if and I will also vote against him for whomever has the greatest chance of shitcanning this useless TROJAN cancer on the Democratic party, and this country. I don’t care if Satan himself were running for President. FUCK OABAMA.”
Obama voted for TARP
O is the biggest R Ahole EVER.
He’s the king of R Aholes.
He’s their MotherFing Dawg. He’s right of Reagan and Bush combined.
Yeah, you could probably make a lot of money with that bet! And they are too blinded to see what seriously deep doodoo they’re in. The debt ceiling fiasco was the straw.
No on O.
HR 494 authored by Marcy Kaptur
Here’s a link, but quick; THOMAS links expire
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:2:./temp/~bd7CFH::|/home/LegislativeData.php?n=BSS;c=112|
He’s right of every President to date. Including W. A few scraps, (and I do mean scraps), on the fringes of the social front but otherwise he’d make people like Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco, (who is apparently still dead), very proud.
thanks.
He’s either the biggest weiner on the planet or he’s the biggest traitor. Either way he isn’t qualified to be President.
how would obama make hitler proud?
I probably could have Googled that huh? duh.
So?
Thank you Kelly.
I for one appreciate you doing the heavy lifting.
So now I gotta go read it. Should be interesting.
agree.
BTW, no one does Obot better than John King Cole over at Beetle Juice: http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/08/22/there-is-no-one-else-like-my-daddy/
Young Ezra can’t compete with King Cole.
We’re all firebaggers now!
I disagree with the last statement, in that I think even Nixon or Hoover would be utterly shocked by his actions. It would have out of even their comfort zones.
Same for the others you mentioned.
That’s how far and Fed up we’ve become.
I think Nixon believed in taking a piece of the top, BUT NOT THE WHOLE FING CAKE. Nixon probably thought it’s OK to steal the cake and let the peons fight for the crumbs, NOT STEAL THE CAKE AND THEN CHARGE THE PEONS FOR THE CRUMBS.
Agree with everything else you wrote.
The bat-shite crazy thing is that I’m starting to miss the Decider. At least many fought his corporatist policies.
Just like in the Third Reich and Mussolini’s Italy, there is no real line between the corporations and government. And like fascist Europe, certain people and ideas are silenced and the media is really just the propaganda arm of the government. I’m not saying that Obama has engaged in any (domestic) genocides but he has started and escalated wars, he has jailed people and torture is still being covered up and the perpetrators protected. No, it’s just a matter of degree. Obama isn’t a Hitler caliber monster, nor am I claiming he is but if you can look at our system and theirs and not see some striking similarities, then maybe I should check myself into a hospital.
Of course this is correct. I happen to think he needed to do Healthcare first to avoid having it never happen. But he didn’t need to wait a year for hopeless compromise, he didn’t need to start with negotiating with himself on that or later on virtually everything else. He could have made true homeowner’s help, he could have made countless recess appointments. He could have closed Guantanamo because he is the commander in chief. He could have nominated a crusading attorney general not a whimp. They could have gone after the bankers. We could have an infrastructure bank now–not lame hope for one.
The election of 2010 did not have to go the way it did. He could have ended up with greater majorities to do more. But this is stupid —nothing is going to change if we reelect this man. Go to americans elect and start picking a new candidate.
All US presidents–in fact, all leaders of States–are ipso facto blood-soaked killers. It’s the nature of the job. That’s why the state is so violent. US prez is basically a strongman who has the patina of a democratically elected official.
Engaged in domestic genocide?
There seems to be a fairly effective war on the poor.
I don’t think he engages in it. He just looks the other way.
I think he believes as the rich do, and we are not of concern to them. Pure Amorality. They don’t hate us. They don’t consider us. They don’t care if we prosper or fail. It’s irrelevant to them. Only money and power matters. And we have neither.
What part are you disagreeing with? The part where I said:
But you are agreeing with it because in your response you say that Nixon and Hoover would have been shocked but they were clearly Presidents and if they would be shocked, you and I must be in agreement. What am I missing?
They won’t let you stay in the hospital anymore………You wouldn’t like the food anyway.
For now, crawling into bed and pulling the covers up over my head sounds pretty good.
I intend to live each day as if it’s my last until it is, however.
I think that’s right–re: the elite don’t consider us at all. Unless, per the London riots, people bust up some shit.
Yeah, but can you do a silly walk? ;-)
“I can come up with scenarios in which the White House accomplished marginally more — perhaps by using the reconciliation process for an energy bill”
Or for a public option. It’s amazing how many democratic operatives on the internet outright lied about how this wasn’t even doable.
“The President of the United States is not all powerful”
Of course! President Obama was FORCED by the Republicans to make every unpopular choice he ever made in office! And then the democratic loyalists say in the same breath that we NEED Obama and his leadership very badly, and any criticism of him is bound to usher in the age of President Bachmann.
I think the democrats have got quite a racket going, and I can’t believe so many people just go along with this line of thinking and start parroting their lines.
With all the talk about Voltaire, I’m surprised that the lame duck line “don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good” hasn’t even been mentioned yet. It’s used as an excuse for every horrible policy Obama has ever supported.
I usually need to hurl after reading Ezra Klein or seeing him on Obamavision (MSNBC).
Wait. Wait. The 21st Century CCC Act has 7 co-sponsors? ????!!! This ain’t your mothers’ Democratic Party. Fuck. Crazy. 7. Disgrace.
Sorry, let me be more specific.
“he’d make people like Hitler, Mussolini and Francisco Franco, (who is apparently still dead), very proud”
I disagree with that statement ONLY. I do NOT think they would have been PROUD. I think, even they would be shocked.
And then a repost of the rest of my statement:
“in that I think even Nixon or Hoover would be utterly shocked by his actions. It would have out of even their comfort zones.
Same for the others you mentioned.
That’s how far and Fed up we’ve become.
I think Nixon believed in taking a piece of the top, BUT NOT THE WHOLE FING CAKE. Nixon probably thought it’s OK to steal the cake and let the peons fight for the crumbs, NOT STEAL THE CAKE AND THEN CHARGE THE PEONS FOR THE CRUMBS.
Agree with everything else you wrote.
The bat-shite crazy thing is that I’m starting to miss the Decider. At least many fought his corporatist policies.”
OK. No, don’t do that.
Not one silly enough to impress the Ministry sufficiently to get a grant to develop it, the buggers!
No, no….nor would I ever. I’m not given to exaggeration and I could have made the analogy much better probably. My bad.
Yup.
As long as the “decent” people are not inconvenienced in any way, they don’t care about others.
The world has become an insane parody of “individualism” that basically says Where the F is mine, I got paid, and F everyone else.
Dog eat dog cannibalistic society.
Speaking of MSNBC, I “liked” Rachel Maddow on FB. Haven’t watched her in ages.Probably oughta change that. What’s she up to?
You do get used to it.
These days I just throw up a little in my mouth.
That and I avoid that BS when I can.
Ezra can kiss my …
I’ve had this discussion with friends at work.
I keep coming back to W Bush and his insistence on an imperial Presidency.
And how disgusted I was. And how opposed I was.
W Bush, the man who said: “If this were only a dictatorship it would be much easier!”
W Bush disgusted me. I voted for the President because he promised change.
In this respect we got change.
The President has not abused his constitutional authority.
And for this I’m grateful and will vote for him again.
We passed disgrace a while ago.
Now they’re not even trying to lie well.
They just say up is down and down is up, and the corporate media brings on “experts” to support the “ideas”.
F me it’s a tragic mess.
I know. I didn’t expect you would.
well, stanley, to come here and say that takes balls and I appreciate that.
Keep working on it, dear. Practice is what gets you to Carnegie Hall lol.
And newly registered to say it. Welcome Stanley. Grab a byte.
But to go back to the article up top, I don’t agree with Jon, if I understood him correctly, that Obama shouldn’t have spent time on heath care (later morphed into health INSURANE) reform. I think it could nhave been well worth his time and a real signature accomplishment if he didn’t fuck it up.
I was listening to David Cameron bloviate about the causes of the London riots. Totally clueless. I came away with the thought that it will all happen again very soon.
It’s truly sad what the UK has become, adopting our Yankee capitalism and shitty, materialistic pop culture. I was there 25 years ago and it wasn’t like this at all-well, at least, the class divisions weren’t as stark. The worst thing you wanna be is like the US of Amnesia.
Emogressives unite!
I was hoping for the Royal Albert.
You think the Rs wouldn’t eliminate those EOs the second they could?
Optimist. They only keep stuff that gives the President more power.
He also STOPPED supporting it before he was nominated.
“balls,” or brain damage?
Oh now. No reason to be suggesting people are injured or impaired right off the bat.
Full of holes, I heard. ;-)
Yeah, nevermind the war in Libya, or claiming the power to assassinate citizens or merely moving Guantanamo onto the continent or asserting state’s secrets or going after whistleblowers.
I merely queried. Seemed to be worth a query.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
You’re playing with the big kids now. Kelly and Margaret know what they’re talking about. You, apparently, are clueless. (You also haven’t been here long enough to tell them they don’t know anything. Two weeks doesn’t beat two years or more.)
Here’s a pic from the Guardian, what do you think?
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2011/8/21/1313961107703/22.08.11-Gary-Barker-on-B-001.jpg
Great stuff. Thanks.
4,000 of them.
Oh, Margaret, you are too hot tonight. I stand in awe. I’d bow and scrape if I could lol.
Hey, it’s just a day in a life….
Mercy!!!
Well it makes sense to defend him with a failure of imagination since that is the exact quality inherent in every one of his policies
The 1%, or the one percenters, or something like that. It’s awesome – he gets tossed out by milton friedman :) Available on Netflix instant.
It all reminds me of the self induced “famine” in the Ukraine in the 29′s-30′s: 1) Stalin needed hard currency; 2) he had to solidify his position; 3) he needed state enemies; 4) solution – create a class enemy (kulaks), liquidate them, appropriate their grain, sell it to the foreign markets. Result: 20 million dead. “Soylent Green is People!!”
HIs Main Street is Wall Street. He’s been lying from day 1. Should have listened to that guy who shouted that out at him, “You lie!” Now that’s insight.
the overall point is that he didn’t NOT want to fuck it up. He was duplicitous. He didn’t want genuine health care reform. He wanted a way to figure out how to get more people paying for health insurance – MAKE them pay for health insurance, and then call it reform. Health reform? He could have called it a Pizza for all it’s worth… why? “because a vest is orange and has no sleeves”
He was shouting about immigrants. So he was … wait for it … WRONG!!!
Since they’re both from the same party, no surprises here.
Insight? LMAO. Nice try.
Ezra Klein is a pathetic clown. Why anyone pays attention to him is beyond me. He works for the WaPo and is a professional Democrat, which means he kowtows not only to Obama but to any Democrat in power. That’s how his bread gets buttered. Klein is a career pundit, which means he suckles at the Democratic power teat. It’s like being a Hollywood movie reviewer. You HAVE to say the junk they put out is good, else you’d be out of a job. If you told the truth, that 99% of Hollywood movies are pure garbage, you would never have a job as a movie reviewer. Same goes for Ezra Klein. Just replace “Hollywood” with “Democrats”.
Americans Elect. Went on and took the poll. Lots of agreement. Nominate a third way candidate: a progressive perhaps from the look of it. Interesting.
Nobody’s learned anything. The repugs are coming back with more tax breaks on their mind. The POTUS has already re-opened the negotiations by giving away social security/medicare without getting anything in return. Still believes the repugs will moderate: fat chance.
Tried Americans Elect. Maybe that will work. Maybe not. We’ll see.
Yeah, I’ve never gotten the adulation of either Klien or Fareed Zakaria. They are just overhyped purveyors of “conventional wisdom” and split the difference-ism.
I believe as well that Stalin also abolished unemployment insurance.
He later said that the fact that there was no unemployment insurance proved that there was no unemployment.
Corporate lapdog defends corporate tool. How predictable.
The best thing anti-tax conservatives did to increase their power was to vote in large numbers for Ross Perot in 1992. Bush was destined to lose that election anyway, owing to the recession. By voting for Perot, they made a strong statement that they could not be taken for granted. The Republican politicians have cow towed to them since.
Obama is destined to lose in 2012 due to the ongoing high rate of unemployment. So progressives have nothing to lose and everything to gain by abandoning the Democrats this time to vote third party. I predict they will once again be corralled by fear of the boogeyman Republican. They will throw away their leverage by voting for the conservative DINO Obama who has betrayed them consistently. Obama will still lose and progressives will still have no political influence.
Obama was elected in a sweeping Democratic majority. People were chomping at the bit to help, to work, to change. Corporate lapdog. Welcome to Corporate Rule. Think things are bad now? Hang on, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. Imagine every dystopian future sci fi film you’ve ever seen, then live it.
Dean Baker asks “Why Is President Obama So Anxious to Cut Social Security?”
I’m sure Ezra knows.
Thanks for saying that Margret. I have made similar references to that fact and was ignored or admonished that the use of the word fascism should not be thrown around so loosely. The similarities are really scary and it is possible we aren’t far from a complete takeover. I have referenced a book called “The Nazi Hydra in America” as a source to confirm the fact that we have had people and corporations (over 300) who supported Nazi Germany. The information is out there for people to drawn their own conclusions. My 2 cents.
Very good analysis. Obama’s recent moves to gut Medicare confirm this.
After having read all posts to date, I find it passing strange that no progressives ever come in contact with the over 10,000 Elected and Appointed Officials represented among Hispanics. Further, progressives have had no contact with the 10,000 Elected and Appointed Officials that are African Americans. And even worse, progressives have had no contact with the over 5,000 Elected and Appointed Officials that represent the Native American communities.
And yet, these over 25,000 Elected and Appointed Officials, are for the most part, overwhelmingly progressive in their Philosophy for Thought and Action. Furthermore, virtually all progressive political blogs never acknowledge the existence of these progressives. And moreover, this “disconnect” among white progressives, adds to this apparent burden to this lack of imagination in our political discourse.
And I have yet to experience a “pleasant surprise” from the likes of Ezra Klein or even Matt Yglesias for “quoting” any of these progressive Elected and Appointed Officials. It’s just not gonna’ happen in this day and age for Professional “negligence and malpractice” among the Fourth Estate.
Jaango
Klein is not a good faith actor. He is a shill. Do not waste time and eyeballs on debating a fraud.
Of course the Rs would eliminate any D Executive Orders the second they could. That was precisely my point. If we’re going to use Executive Orders to accomplish things then we have to recognize that Rs are going to do the exact same thing. And that would not be acceptable.
Hey David H your reasoning seems egregiously flawed. The pubs have used and will continue to use executive orders.Obama could have used the 14th amendment to avoid the tea baggers and prevent international disgrace as Obama and the congress proved to be utter incompetents with zero leadership aptitude .If the 14th rationale was later found to be unconstitutional,so what ? In some fantasy world using executive orders might be unacceptable,but in reality,using the 14th would have been noble leadership that prevented spending cuts and a national affirmation that our country is being run by a ship of fascistic fools.Did you ever think that Obama wanted massive spending cuts without taking ownership of them.Would that be acceptable?
What a great image that would make, I can imagine him with a split between his front teeth and a nice sweater and plaid pants. :)
I find it strange that you apparently think that all progressives are white, and you assume that none of us come into contact with the darker elected officials because no one points out their color as much as you do.
I have never read one of your posts where you don’t reinforce those differences. And for that matter what is you hope to achieve by this? Your comments don’t seem to even have a point except for appreciation of our differences and recognition of how much like “us” they are.
We need a VOCAL candidate who is not on the corporate dole. Without representation in govt or riots.. i cant see change happening .. not the good kind of change anyway..
i ask again.. who do i vote for..
i will NOT vote for obama again. nor any OTHER corporate puppet.