While the Dow was hemmoraging money yesterday, Obama was raking it in. He has raised for his reelection campaign and the DNC in the past week, including two events last night:
The first of the two events was held at the palatial Northwest D.C. home of Don Peebles, a real estate developer and native Washingtonian. Before a group of approximately 140 guests, Obama said the ongoing debt-ceiling crisis will be a core issue in his 2012 campaign, and it represents “as fundamental a debate as 2008.”
“I’m not going to be able to mobilize the country around some of the tough, necessary choices that need to be made unless we’ve got the kind of grassroots support at every level that you guys so vividly displayed” in 2008, he told the crowd, who paid $15,000 per family.
Obama clearly believes that his political future lays in the hands of the Masters of the Universe (and he may be right). And what they want are more draconian cuts. He intends to place his foot even more firmly down on the austerity gas pedal, and he is calling on his $15,000 “grassroots” support to mobilize around it.
If you’ve found the 2008 campaign messaging of “hope,” “bipartisanship” and “tolerance” pitched at average voters to be in short supply in recent weeks, get ready for a bit more:
Obama plan: Destroy Romney
[Obama] aides are increasingly resigned to running for reelection in a glum nation. And so the candidate who ran on “hope” in 2008 has little choice four years later but to run a slashing, personal campaign aimed at disqualifying his likeliest opponent.
In a move that will make some Democrats shudder, Obama’s high command has even studied President George W. Bush’s 2004 takedown of Sen. John F. Kerry, a senior campaign adviser told POLITICO, for clues on how a president with middling approval ratings can defeat a challenger.
The attack on Romney will be two pronged:
Obama’s reelection campaign will portray the public Romney as inauthentic, unprincipled and, in a word used repeatedly by Obama’s advisers in about a dozen interviews, “weird”….The second aspect of the campaign to define Romney is his record as CEO of Bain Capital, a venture capital firm that was responsible for both creating and eliminating jobs. Obama officials intend to frame Romney as the very picture of greed in the Great Recession — a sort of political Gordon Gekko.
Attacking Romney for his history at Bain Capital is totally warranted. Bravo. He made his money looting companies and slashing jobs. He should absolutely be forced to wear that.
But the second part is much more dubious: “There’s a weirdness factor with Romney, and it remains to be seen how he wears with the public,” says one aide.
Weird? What does weird mean? Well, they say, “like the tale of Romney having strapped his dog to the roof of his car.”
That is weird. And as Alex Parene says, “weirder still is that Romney thought that was a fun, cute story, instead of horrifying.” I’m not sure where the guy who calls the owner of the Eagles to congratulate him on hiring Michael Vick has any high ground here, but it’s fair game.
Romney’s religion, however, is not:
None of the Obama advisers interviewed made any suggestion that Romney’s personal qualities would be connected to his minority Mormon faith, but the step from casting Romney as a bit off to raising questions about religion may not be a large step for some of the incumbent’s supporters.
Come on. These guys ran the entire 2008 campaign fighting dog whistle racism. They know how this works. Stop with the innocent virgin bit. You can’t run around the world preaching “religious tolerance” and defending the “inalienable rights” of people to freely practice religion, and then turn around and help people connect the dots between freaky Mitt Romney and freaky Mormonism.
But going negative may be the only path available to Obama right now. He can’t hope to activate true grassroots support and deliver what Wall Street oligarchs want at the same time. So he is appealing to the people who stand to benefit — wealthy donors — and asking for their support to impose austerity measures on the country.
It’s also a tell about how Obama’s campaign team views the political landscape between now and the election. They would not be going negative if his campaign gurus thought there was any possibility of turning around the Independents who have tracked with Republicans on the debt ceiling debate, and according to Gallup, now have a 34% approval rating of the President (down from 43% in early July). It’s an indication that they think their only hope is to suppress independent voter turnout with a “slash and burn” campaign.
University of Akron’s Rick Farmer on the impact of negative ads:
[N]egative advertising suppressed voter turnout, particularly for Independent voters. They speculated that campaigns tend to go negative only if the Independent vote is leaning toward the opponent. In doing so, they insure that the swing voters stay home, leaving the election up to base voters.
But this is a dangerous game to play. Negative campaigning doesn’t tend to work as well for Democrats as it does for Republicans:
They also found that negative ads have a greater impact on Democrats than on Republicans. According to them, base Republicans will vote no matter what (and will vote only for a Republican), but Democrats can be influenced to either stay home and not vote at all or to switch sides and vote for a Republican. This, combined with the effect negativity has on Independents, led them to conclude that Republicans benefit more from going negative than Democrats.
They will undoubtedly use surrogates in order to deflect responsibility for going negative. That was certainly the case with the Swift Boat ads that Obama aides have been studying:
Often a campaign will use outside organizations, such as lobby groups, to launch attacks. These can be claimed to be coming from a neutral source and if the allegations turn out not to be true the attacking candidate will not be damaged if the links cannot be proven. Negative campaigning can be conducted by proxy. For instance, highly partisan ads were placed in the 2004 U.S. presidential election by allegedly independent bodies like MoveOn.org and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Get ready for the Veal Pen to earn their keep. They will continue to all but ignore the austerity measures being imposed on the country, and instead tell their base that Mitt Romney is is an uncool Mormon with bad fashion sense. Of course eliminating liberal criticism of Obama is a “high priority” of the 2012 campaign plan, so they hope the Veal Pen will be the only game in town.
The Politico article ends on a moment of irony of biblical-proportions:
“There’s a question of public character,” said Axelrod. “Are you principled, consistent — are you who you say you are? Can you be counted on?”
Seriously, David Axelrod? You ride to the White House on a campaign to rise above intolerance, negativity and partisanship, and without a moment of self-reflection, announce a campaign based on … intolerance, negativity and partisanship? Rather than fix the economy by having the political courage to do what you said needed to be done when you were stoking people’s hope in 2008, you now plan to impose the austerity measures they overwhelmingly oppose and raise hundreds of millions of dollars to tell people your “weird” opponent in his “skinny jeans” is not “principled and consistent”? You want to fan the same bigotry and cultural biases the President promised to rise above, hoping win reelection by virtue of suppressing turnout?
And your message is that the other guy is not principled or consistent?
In Madison Avenue terms, this would be called poor brand messaging. Psychologists would probably be a bit less charitable. But in plain English, it’s just incoherent.
Update: New Gallup just out — they’re panicking:





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It is a pity that our political culture does not consider success to be a requirement of keeping one’s job. If they did, then politicians such as Obama would have the decency to resign in the face of total failure. Instead we will be forced to watch the indignity of the President blaming everyone but himself for his problems.
Man, those Gallup numbers (which post at 1pm ET each day) are devastating. And that’s a three day rolling average. Can you imagine what Axelrod must be looking at?
No wonder he was out there trying to get ahead of it in Politico. It’s an utterly predictable response…if you’re a complete hack.
It’s going to be a shame when all those people pay in all that money and he doesn’t get re-elected. I mean, I’m certain that no one is going to bankrupt over it, but imagine what that money could have bought instead.
Obama is doomed and we’ll have 4 years out in the wilderness. As I’ve said before, I have no idea what 2016 will look like, but I know it is going to be worse than it is today. We have yet to reap all the benefits of the Healthcare law and the idiotic austerity measures that were part of the debt bill.
This country is doomed. If I had a brain, I’d try to leave it as quickly as possible.
Unemployment? ; )
What needs to be looked at is the sheer, unmitigated anger among Liberals and Progressives–who see the uberconservative corporate “Borg” pushing an “anti-fairness” agenda from Maine to the Rust Belt and beyond. The problem Obama has on his hands right now is that Tea Partiers don’t respond to reason. If you question that, I urge you to take a look at Tea Party Facebook pages to witness first-hand the untold number of bigoted comments–most of them filled with an overabundance of spelling errors and rage.
And that’s what the campaign will stoke — the biases of self-professed “liberals and progressives” who sneer at “bigoted” Tea Party members and don’t seen the the hypocrisy of the cultural superiority they express in “hating the haters” for their “overabundance of spelling errors and rage.”
Condemning bigotry is the right thing to do. But there’s actually nothing “liberal” or “progressive” about condemning bigotry by engaging in it, especially when it’s being done to advance a decidedly non-progressive agenda. I understand the impulse to mock wingnuts, I’ve certainly done my fair share. But when you’re trying to distract people from the fact that the person you’re asking them to fight for is imposing austerity policies that both sides overwhelmingly oppose, it amounts to little more than tribalism trying to make itself look respectable.
BTW, you’re the second person to mention this — I got an email from someone saying I couldn’t be a good progressive because I didn’t join enough Facebook Tea Party Hate pages. Is this part of the new campaign? A McCarthyist attack on people for not bringing out enough tribalistic hate on Obama’s behalf?
#HowDoYouSpellHope
Who, exactly, in the Obama administration even mentioned Romney’s religion? Who? Name them.
I remember that argument going over really well in 2008 when the Obama campaign was (rightly) accusing opponents of dog whistle and outsourced race-based attacks.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that 12 aides using the word “weird” to describe Romney is completely unconnected to the the overt attack on Mormonism as a “weird” religion for decades. Unless you intend to go back and revise all of the commentary about the 2008 election first, that is just completely hypocritical
“Wierd” = dogwhistle, Joey.
Time for the chickens to come home to roost, President GQ. you have proved to the middle class and to the working class that you are not our friend. why should we vote for you? you may get re-elected but i plan to give my support to congressional candidates that have more backbone and willingness to stand for something admirable.
Obama’s reelection campaign will portray the public Romney as inauthentic, unprincipled
Wow, project much team Obama?
It was an issue in ’08. And it will be in 2012, if Mittens is the candidate. There was already a poll with a healthy percentage of evangelicals saying they will not vote for a mormon.
Isn’t it amazing that “grassroots support” now equates to a $15,000 donation? This from the man who championed public financing for elections, for candidates other than himself, of course. Both Obama and fraud are five letter words. By the way Jane, all organized religions are weird, and generally successful business models.
I suppose getting Obama will be a real uphill battle regardless of who his opponent is. There’s more “voting against” than “voting for” in this country. I consider myself more an “anti-republican” than a democrat. But there are just too many broken promises on Obama’s part to put me in his camp. OTOH, I would vote “against” Perry because I am a Texan and feel obligated to do that for the good of the country. Would I vote for Romney? At this point I’m not sure.
LOL…fired up …ready to go…
easy-peasy:
Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President.
If $15,000/family is grassroots, it looks like I’m hanging with the earthworms.
we must press on,with D&D death and destruction
Obama said during a brief White House speech devoted mostly to the economy and the nation’s fallen credit rating.
The U.S. and its allies will continue “the hard work of transitioning to a stronger Afghan government and ensuring that Afghanistan is not a safe haven for terrorists,” Obama said.
“We will press on and we will succeed,” he added.
That SHOULD read..”getting Obama re-elected”.
Bush III; four more years, four more years.
Oh fuck.
Romney is not going to be the GOP nominee.
Obama is finished if the economy continues tanking, as it is doing now, regardless of who the GOP nominee is.
is a free choice in which only one option is offered. As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore between taking the option or not; “take it or leave it”.
Perry?
What a sad state of affairs of American politics and even global politics. Election and re-election strategy has been trumping the importance of good governance for far too long and yet people still wonder why we are in a global depression.
may i say,good bye,and good riddance to (BHO)
All true. at the same time, unless he changes drastically Romney isnt worthy of liberal support. I think the best thing for FDL to be doing throughout the whole horrible spectacle is to lead its followers in meaningful activism…that way lies any ACTUAL, AUTHENTIC hope that may be left…
If one is really progressive, the Obama presidency, like that of George W. Bush and his three predecessors, has relegated us to the “wilderness” for at least the last 30+ years.
If I may:
“The problem Obama has on his hands right now is” the “unmitigated anger among Liberals and Progressives.”
The Tea Party is a distraction.
Maybe. Maybe Chris Christie (if he can be coaxed into running). Maybe somone will jump in no one is even thinking about now but who has gravitas.
Actually both he and Stanley McChrystal will be speaking near me as part of a “Distinguished Speaker” series. These guys are set for life.
Depends on one’s definition of ‘success’. By Obama’s lights, he’s done right well — a phony health care law that was written by industry lobbyists based on Heritage and Cato blueprints, the near-complete destruction of the Democratic Party, soon to be followed by what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich dreamed of but could never accomplish: The Final Solution that Ends Social Security and Medicare.
Obama seems very ‘weird’, ‘inauthentic’ and ‘unpricipled’ for not keeping his ’08 campaign promises.
Obama. Weird.
Obama. Weird.
Obama. Weird.
Obama. Weird.
Obama. Weird.
On the left, there is some evidence in a pride in scientism and and a disdain for religious folks and their beliefs. What you wrote about ‘fairness’ cannot be discussed widely enough. People justify their own brand of hate with thinking that they are ‘right’ and the Other is ‘wrong’. This should be interesting.
Of course they’re all weird. They all embrace myths that people not of that religion do not embrace. But Obama has been a big promoter of religious tolerance. He might have mentioned he didn’t mean the “weird” ones.
This is nothing more, as tbsa says in #12 above, than an attempt to keep evangelicals from coming out and voting for Romney because he’s a “weird” Mormon:
Anyone who wants to deny that this is the obvious and quite deliberate political strategy behind the “weird” campaign is fooling no one but themselves.
I meant from his current position. Otherwise I agree, there is no fuck up sufficiently large in DC to get one kicked off the gravy train.
What sort of elitist snubs the grassroots activism of the FIRE sector.
Nothing makes you liberals happy.
Oh, he will be, as he does the best against Obama. Otherwise, the opening would be left for a really strong, well-financed indie candidate to ride in on a white horse and Hoover up the disaffected.
There isn’t any current or prospective candidate that is “worthy” of liberal support, and the plutocrats will assure that none will be available. Americans are only given multiple choices of products that don’t matter in the grand scheme, only in trivial matters.
Some choice.
Obama or one of the repubs?
Well, theres no difference in the two.
I agree, that there is the public “success” v. the backroom deal “success”. Clearly, Billion Dollar Obama lacks sufficient pride in his backroom deal successes to sell them to the electorate as any kind of political achievement. And since he clearly has no public “success” to campaign on, an argument can still be made that the only honorable thing for him to do is resign.
Christie doesn’t have gravitas, unless that’s code for being an egotistical self-indulgent, clown with delusions of grandeur.
Romney isn’t worthy of anyone’s support, he’s awful.
But you can’t sit back and let the principles you actually stand for be perverted by the people who pretend to represent them, or you become a mockery of all you believe in too. If you can’t stand up for liberal principles when so-called liberals abandon them, you’ve got no moral high ground from which to criticize the other side.
In addition to engaging in “meaningful activism,” you’ve also got to be fair arbiters of the debate, or the whole thing devolves into mud-slinging hate fest and a petri dish for demagogues.
As the economy gets worse, people better be really careful about stoking tribalist rage against any minority. I thought we understood that.
Turrible state of affairs.
I was going to point out that $15,000 per family people don’t have an understanding of grassroots movements, but others have aptly pointed that out.
We Will. Turn This. Around. Gonna take a lot of pea soup and hands on the grindstone.
(I actually did apply for the voluteer welcome wagon and like that position.
Go Jane.
I will help whatever way I can. So, it’s okay, if no one calls me.
Like Mr. Jones said at the taping of We Are The World, leave your egos at the door. Hard to do sometimes, but desperate times call us.
LOL : )
This is where I came to think such things:
The Left Hand of God (book) by Lerner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Left_Hand_of_God_(book)
There was accusations of “coded” language in 2008 campaign…heck, there’s ongoing accusations of “coded” racism now.
Tom Thumb–What I sense is that conservatives disdain liberals- dems even- due to conservatives’ own lie that they are the only party with reverent individuals.
Interesting that Obama has surrounded himself with the destructive elements of Clinton’s economic team, and now will employ the campaign strategy of W’s handlers. Quite the aristocracy we have here in “Democracyland”.
No way will magic underwear win the nomination.
Bachmann will get it.
Bat-shite crazy beats magic underwear every day of the week and 10 times on Sunday.
Bat-shite crazy and magical thinking … what could be more Amerikan than that?
That reminds me: The RNC really have their side in hand, don’t they? I mean, aside from Bachmann who doesn’t play well with others but who has skeletons sufficient to sink her well before the first primary, none of the other GOP candidates, even the Fundies, are openly bashing Romney’s Mormonism. (Yet, anyway.)
Are they restraining themselves, or did they realize they screwed up in ’08 by backing McCain over Romney (though nobody knew at the time McCain was going to think with his little head and pick the Grifter for his running mate)?
Yes. I think many do.
Obama vs. Romney? Either way, Bush II gets his 4th term.
Since when did being hypocritical ever stop a Republican? Oh wait, you were talking about Obama. /s
I can’t tell the difference anymore between him and a Repub either!
seriously, I’d like to see a group (oh, I don’t know) take on the rear guard task of ‘branding’(in the Madison Ave sense) those $15k donors and of course the Mandarins in Greenwich, Mill Valley, Malibu,etc. as Austerity Advocates™
Go ahead, drop that $15k, and we will out you within your community as the tribalist clown who thought it was a good idea to sell off the water treatment plant, shut down the library,close the parks, and privatize the police force
They spent 2 years endorsing republican polices so they would be perceived as reasonable and attract independents and now they are giving up on independents and want to drive them from voting? Why isn’t Obama’s political team fired.
With what Obama has been doing I don’t think he can count on the base being enthusastic. I know I’m not. I guess what we’re going to get is progressive speeches for the base, slash and burn for the independents, and a continuation of his wishy-washy policies.
I think his reelection campaign is in a lot of trouble.
I’ll keep saying this . . .
’12 is gonna be a DIM bloodbath top to bottom.
But the GOP is gonna have issues of voters staying home and indies rejecting them, also, albeit likely less than the Dims . . . which is pretty normal in terms of turnout. Only Diebold will save the GOP, I doubt it will play FOR the DIMS in any way.
Those Gallup numbers are gonna get worse too . . . I honestly believe the DIM Party is gonna have a quiet talk with Obama and he will step down and not run.
I’ve been saying HRC will get the nod from DNC/DLCC, etc., but, maybe not so I’m walking that back a tad . . . . I have NO idea who will step up (be annointed) for the DIMS . . . but I DO believe Jeb Bush will be the final GOP opponent.
Even Hunter Thompson at this point would have to say it’s getting effing crazier n anyone could have predicted . . . . thanks for all you and FDL do for us readers . . .
Funny, isn’t it? To this day, there are still people who want to claim that you favored Obama over Hillary Clinton (or Edwards, for that matter) — just as there are still those who claim you were in the tank for Obama from the start. (What’s really funny is when these two groups of people meet.)
No.
Progressives should be attacking the Veal Pen, educating the public as to their function.
Alas, who has the nerve to do this? Not PDA. PCCC maybe, but not likely, I’m afraid.
Well, there’s always the FDL community. How about it? A “Warning American Progressives: The ‘Veal Pen’ Is Hazardous to our Civic Health” campaign.
“There’s a question of public character,” said Axelrod. “Are you principled, consistent — are you who you say you are? …”
OMG, I have tears!! This is hysterical! May I say this is classic pot calling kettle black speak….
Job approval at 40%???
Who are these halfwits? Have they taken a look at the country and where its heading recently?
Heard your voice on Jane’s video thread of the Sunday Event.
Music to my ears.
Now, you are real to me in a different way. A good way.
That’s my bet. And I’m sticking with it.
It will be Bachmann. And she’s exactly the kind of gal the PTB want in power.
Yep.
1) We proggy’s can’t win that fight.
2) Engaging them thusly only fuels the blaze. The MSM salivates at the thought of that kind of ‘discourse’.
We cut them both off by not engaging directly, except in exceptional situations . . .
We are not his base. We were Candidate Obama’s base, but we were never, ever President Obama’s base.
I know. I get hate mail from both sides, in about equal measure, regularly. I keep wanting to arrange a get-together so they can decide what I think. But they don’t seem to intersect with either reality or each other, so I’m not very optimistic.
Lemme know when ya find even ONE of that type, I’d heard they was extinct due to the market being bought out.
first of all, I guess obama doesn’t even know it but no, bush did not win against kerry
and second of all, who’da guessed obama is going to follow in bush’s foot steps yet again
he followed in his tarp, he followed in his trickle down economic “strategy”, he followed in war, in torture, he even doubled down on bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy
why, he even followed in bush’s rediculous campaign against medicare
obama IS a corporate driven republican by every standard but the banner he yields
Obama has governed how I expected Romney to govern – it’s sort of like an option of which shade Romney do you want?
I agree that Romney’s horrible, and the Republican field only goes downhill from there.
But I’d like to suggest that people take a look @ Wisconsin: horrid Republican governor, worse legislature, but this finally created a breaking point among Democrats to drive them to the streets.
I understand the prognosis there is not too good re success of the recall, but I’d rather have us comparing an Evil Republican + opposition, to Obama, who’s pursuing the same policies, with NO opposition.
And who’s destroying the Democratic party in the process.
The Fed just said this weak economy is going to continue into 2013 with lower growth than expected.
Obama is going on vacation next week. These clowns don’t understand the optics of this. He needs to call Congress back into session and propose a job plan. The Obama political team is an oxymoron.
“They spent 2 years endorsing republican polices so they would be perceived as reasonable and attract independents”
That is only Obama’s cover story
Yes Jane, I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately and I believe we’ll see a “FEAR” campaign unlike any we’ve ever seen. Mr. Bi-Partisanship is about to get nasty(or at least someone will do it for him).
And with the nuts on the right like Bachman, there will be plenty of videos and written materials to produce a horror show.
His only shot at winning is to make everyone fear the other side(and they should fear the other side in any rational universe)because that alone–he believes—will pull back his base AND probably enough independents to eek out a win.
But that fear level has to be high to cut through the reality of the pain Obama is in favor of inflicting. I saw this video of Cornell West and Tavis Smiley complaining about Obama being the first president in the last 48 years never to mention the words “poor” or “poverty” in a speech. If true–that’s kind of amazing–in a bad way.
I fear anyone on the right and I don’t need any help.
But the Dems and Obama have just marched with them off the cliff and in some cases Obama LEADS the parade.
There’s no hope.
He gives us hopelessness and fear.
Why would anyone want to vote for that?
I am going to lobby for whoever runs against obama, we are FAR better off if the republican in office is actually elected as a republican, when that republican is elected as a democrat it is impossible to mount a defense against their corporate driven agenda
Around March or so, maybe even later this year . . . his ratings are tanking, the DIM Party will be speaking with him at some point . . . he will retire gracefully to Goldman Sachs or S&P as a consultant when law allows him to . . .
Who’s gonna be annoionted by The DIMS to take his place? ;-)
You and anyone who shares this opinion can help make that happen right here.
As the tag line says, “Independent Media. Kick-Ass Activism.”
(And if you are one who has gone there already, many thanks!)
He already has a walnut paneled corner office on Wall Street waiting for him. He can’t leave soon enough!
My take is that if Obama et al persist in alienating the indies, the situation becomes ripe for what happened in Minnesota in 1998, when the Dem and GOP gubernatorial candidates were so uninspiring that Jesse Ventura, by dint of his popularity with low-information male voters (a crowd that usually doesn’t vote), an excellent ad campaign, and (when his ego was reined in) the ability to talk somewhat sensibly on occasion, brought in enough new voters to get a hefty plurality in a three-way race, thus shocking the world.
Thing is, Jesse’s crazy enough to try it again, this time on a national scale. Seriously. If he ever got a serious backer — say, if Vince McMahon thought it would be good publicity for the WWE to throw, say, $10 million at a Jesse run — he would do surprisingly well.
As the economy gets worse, people better be really careful about stoking tribalist rage against any minority. I thought we understood that.
So true Hell I’ve conviced my red friends not to do this and after explaining why they have whole different mind set. It’s easier to control people that are divided
Thanks Jane
While negative, fear-based ads may get some results for the WH, it may backfire on them. By the obvious omission of O’s paltry list of accomplishments of his term in office, he continues the lesser of 2 evils political dogma, that too many people are thoroughly sick and tired of. Divide and conquer wins the day? That’s a losing strategy, as D’s, R’s, and I’s continually lose their jobs and benefits.
bingo
he uses the cover of “mutual sacrifice” to ram through right wing policies that would NEVER HAPPEN if he were elected as a republican
he BEGINS negotiations further into their camp then they could have ever hoped to accomplish, THEN he bargains even further in to their side
this is brutal, absolutely brutal
Not a chance, no more than Batshit Bachmann . . . too evangelically right wingers . . . it will be Jeb. I been suggesting this since March of this year or so . . . but no Pups have been biting on it, so, I must be WAYYYYYY off this beaten path . . . ;-)
But I’m sticking to it. N maybe HRC for The DIMS as Obama is frogmarched behind the scenes to step down.
*G*
Axelrod makes me want to throw things. Money won’t buy Obama the next election. He needs boots on the ground and he’s not going to have them. He may win but it will be really close. I’m convinced that Perry will be the R candidate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMhya8SIWmY
KERRY has been making his face surprisingly known lately hasn’t he
it might be kerry
nadar said there WILL be a primary and that he will have nothing to do with it…this get’s quite interesting
I was going to say the culture wars make them kind of different, but now that religious bigotry is officially in the campaign arsenal, even that argument seems a little weaker.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Thanks Jane. Comparing religions, and religiosity, there is a stark comparison between Mitt’s religion and ‘religious culture’, of which he is a practitioner, and the avowed faith of BHO. As soon as he left Chicago, he claimed to have never known (figuratively) Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and took up with Rick Warren.
As disappointing as it may sound here, I will vote for Romney, and even register as a repub. if needed for the primary. Maybe, just maybe, Willard’s religion has taught him that war is wrong.
And remember, FDR was a very wealthy man.
I think you miss a very important factor;
the right wing accomplishes MUCH more under obama then they could dream if the republican is elected as a republican
I believe the powers will undermine any republican’s chances, they might even make certain someone as rediculous as palin is on the ticket just to insure defeat
Maybe it’s time to form “Democrats for Romney”. If you have a choice between a “fake” Republican and the real thing the electorate will always vote for the original.
I wish they would have that quiet talk sooner rather than later. It would be so much better if Zero was gone.
In regards to the diary topic Mz. Hamsher, if yer still around?
What’s gonna be the DIM strategy if Obama DOES step down? Same slash n burn?
What if the GOP candidate is Jeb? What strategy would be employed?
My personal belief is it’s time for the DIMS to give the WH to the GOP again, and it’s been pre ordained by the MOTU, corp fascists one n all . . . . so strategy will just be more kabuki, as it often is.
This will give DIMS everywhere an oppositional role (more kabuki) leading into ’14 and ’16 . . . and all the while the Super Congress will work while the others fiddle as we burn.
I’d rather pound nails than think of Kerry.
Or, in my situation, pull out nails and staples with a needle nose pliers.
I’ll never be able to watch Candy (More Please?) Crowley without being disagreeable about the way she covered his campaign.
I may be getting older, but my memory is just fine.
I might even join the romney campaign offices here in ny
apparently Huntsman was considered too reasonable by the owners ?
You may be correct. No one could argue that Rs haven’t done very well with Obama. Their message will start to show up soon, I think. Let’s watch Rush, etc, and see who they start to undermine. Rove is sitting in the middle of his web planning it right now. All the negative stories about Michelle came from somewhere – I wonder who.
Since everything they do tends to be poll based, maybe the anti-Mormon trend started here…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/142700/Muslims-Give-Obama-Highest-Job-Approval-Mormons-Lowest.aspx
Ya know, as we the people tank and the nation continues to tank, I’d forgotten my thoughts about a ‘military coup’ type of ’12 election.
McChrystal’s name reminded me of it. Guess if the DIMS don’t put HRC up, maybe Petreaus? I don’t know what his political allegiance is party wise . . . thoughts?
of course I don’t want kerry but I surely prefer himm over the big zero
I am simply observing that he has made his face available lately and that seems strangely coincidental to me
The major parties have the same primary strategy: make sure the other party’s lies are believed less.
Their secondary strategy: make sure the good and smart voices exhaust and waste themselves pointing out the lies endlessly.
I have been thinking this for a long time. The GOP could not ask for a better or more willing occupier of the Oval Office. Either way we’re doomed.
“FIWER Sector.”
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http://www.bgladd.com/Obama2012.jpg
Guardian Poll
If Matt Damon takes Michael Moore’s advice and runs for president in 2012, would you vote for him?
71.2% Yes
28.8% No
Poll closes in 2 days
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/poll/2011/aug/09/matt-damon-michael-moore
Might want to reflect on the UK. That’s how civil unrest starts. Then there is a bloodbath.
GREAT snarky analysis!
N sadly, so true . . .
Really nice catch . . .
I suppose Romney is the safe way for the Republicans to go. Republican serfs don’t like Mormons but they will turn out against the hated Obama anyway. Romney/Perry vs Obama/Clinton. What a dismal prospect. And BORING!
Thank God for Ron Paul. He will keep it interesting until he is vanquished by the corporatists.
Give the presidency back to the thugs? There is a little matter of appointments to the supreme court. That is a worrisome aspect. Imagine if we get two more young Scalias on the court for the next 35 years?
*blushes*
I admit to having experience in radio. In fact, I’ve been told often that I have a perfect face for radio . . . ;-)
Bless ya ma’am . . . *G*
Yeah, Obama is a rank opportunist of the worse kind. He’s only in it for the money and his own ego.
Mormonism eschews gambling and drinking, but you’ll never guess who handles the majority of cash in Vegas
his religion will not interfere with defense contractor plans
Matt Damon – Bill Maher 2012
It’s been pretty apparent since Jnauary 2009 that Obama does not want the old kind of grassroots support, i.e. from people who make small donations and actually talk to voters. I did both in 2008 but found that there was no way I could get back into my “Organzing for America” account, despite repeated emails to the site administrator. I tried again about two weeks ago to get myself on the Obama campaign email list and again, no response. It is clear that Team Obama has decided that big donors and the TV ads they buy will be enough to win in 2012. Since the Republicans will almost certainly continue down crazy street, this cynical calculation may turn out to be correct.
Bravo! Well said.
It’s so hard to for me to pass up what seems like a funny line. But my brittle snark doesn’t help us and even more importantly, shouldn’t be who I am, who we are.
The President let the air out of that SCOTUS ! balloon last week when he went out of his way to nominate some 10th’er’s chief legal counsel as USAA UT
My direct Sup when I worked in subprime here in Vegas was LDS.
People must know a lot more about him than I do. I want to know what he thinks about a lot of things, not least of which is economics.
Yep, he’s done the bidding of the oligarchs better n even Reagan did. Altho it’s all built on the previe presidency one by one, I gotta admit, so Obama had lots of help GETTING here so he could do what he’s done to us.
Sub Song To We The People.
hi homey ! and fyi – Maher continues to conflate SS/Medicare with the deficit
Now yer not only frightening the children AND the adults, yer spookin the horses and yer scarin me!
One Of My Fvs.
-Fred Eaglesmith
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Kerry wants State. I don’t see him trying to primary or challenge Obama.
He’s also been toeing the Obama line too much.
Looks like the odds so far are 71.2 to 28.8 that he won’t be permitted to participate in the ‘debates’.
Matt Damon – Kathy Griffin 2012.
/s
I am thinking obama might find a reason to drop out though
“Obama clearly believes that his political future lays in the hands of the Masters of the Universe (and he may be right). And what they want are more draconian cuts.”
Obama seems to have made a political judgment that cuts are what the Masters of the Universe want but is this true? He seems out of step. The huge fall off in the financial markets seems at least in part due to the recognition that austerity measures will result in weak economic growth here and abroad. Why support austerity? Also, I heard Robert Rubin, the person progressives love to hate, interviewed on Charlie Rose this past week (http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11825). He supported letting the Bush tax cuts lapse and preserving the social safety net. Also 300 economists have sent Obama a letter urging him to focus on jobs not the deficit (http://www.truth-out.org/300-economists-warn-obama-grave-danger-ahead/1312900212). What gives with Obama?
Why would any Democrats who value the principles of the party (at least at they once were, not so long ago) be interesed in boosting Romney in any way?
It’s high time for a new party which represents the people and their needs.
You never answered his original question.
Yeah, Kerry . . . n Nader’s comments just befuddle me.
I will suggest it’s all kabuki and cover for the stepdown by O and the annointment of someone that will generate a LOT of proggy blowback, n NO ONE other n HRC can create that kind of blowback.
So, the final candidate is a mystery to me, other n HRC at this point.
However, I have to mention that doing Iran or a false flag event here in USA (or even Israel) changes everything . . . at that point Petreaus is the likely candidate to win it all handedly regardless of which party moniker he puts on his coat pocket kerchief.
It IS weirder than I ever imagined 20, or even 10 years ago.
Who woulda thunk?
You speak my mind.
Obama might drop out IF he gets to “change,” “cut,” gut SocSec and Medicare/Medicaid with his Committee of the Twelve Caesars.
AKA, Obama’s Politburo.
Bcz if he does that, he will not be reelected.
Maher also thought the Article 2 “natural born” qualifications for POTUS are in an amendment to the Constitution.
Obama can destroy Romney all he wants. I’m not voting for Romney and I’m not voting for Obama either. Not a chance. Why should I chose between a Repub in Dem clothing and a straight up right wing Repub. Not happening. I was robbed by Obama’s lies last election and there is not a snowball’s chance in hell I will vote for him again. I believe a clear and open foe is much preferable to a mole doing the unknown in secret.
Obama’s finished. There is nothing but gain by voting third party. Even if it ends us with a Repub, at least the Trojan Horse and his henchmen will be removed and people will better be able to protect themselves.
Third party. To me there is zero choice.
You think the DIMS are gonna nominate liberals at this point, given how things are going?
I don’t THINK so . . . Supes won’t matter, it’s also become a Kabuki. Moderate centrists who will eventually all eliminate Brown v Board of Ed and Roe v Wade, regardless of what brand of party prez nominates them . . . they all work for the oligarchy, there is NO difference in terms of intended goals or policies . . . only the speed of the decline n Obama has hacked up THAT myth in only 2+ short years . . . NO DIF!
LOL . . .
That may be true, but the Tea Baggers took over the R party so why can’t we or haven’t we been moving to do the same with the D party? I would rather throw the Dems out and take their places.
“And that’s what the campaign will stoke — the biases of self-professed “liberals and progressives” who sneer at “bigoted” Tea Party members and don’t seen the the hypocrisy of the cultural superiority they express in “hating the haters” for their “overabundance of spelling errors and rage.””
Thank you, Jane, this is exactly right. Unless we “progressives” can get over our disdain for people like the Tea Party followers, we will get nowhere. Divide and conquer has always been a very successful strategy for the economic elite. And the elite are behind the Tea Party, and the Repubs and Dems, and also control the mainstream media.
I don’t have television at home, and normally see snatches of it only at work (I’m an R.N. and work in a hospital). But for the past few weeks, I have been away from home caring for my elderly father after surgery (thank goodness for the Family Medical LeaveAct), and the tv has been on almost constantly. What an education! It is no wonder that so many of us believe lies, which are repeated 24/7. Lies about politics, economics, nutrition, drugs, healthcare, education, etc. There is no end to the constant repetition of lies. I knew this was the case, but have to admit that I didn’t really UNDERSTAND how bad it was until now.
When progressives disdain and mock the Tea Party supporters and other people who are making what we recognize as stupid choices, we are just helping the elite strategy of divide and conquer succeed. Those of us fortunate enough to have some education and resources are not so different from the Tea Partiers–we are all bottom dogs, trying to exist. Until we can find a way to work together for justice and equality, we will all keep losing.
We need to direct our scorn and disdain at our enemies in the economic elite, not at other people who are struggling just like us.
707!
Kathy would want to be on top!
lol
Obama is highly compensated to do what he does by mega-rich “investors” (in Obama’s presidency). They buy off Obama at a much higher price than anything Rubin or the 300 economists can offer.
Obama is NOT, nor ever has, looked out for the middle/working class. Obama is ONLY working for the upper 2%, who are getting even richer at this moment under Obama’s “austerity” measures. You betcha!
Rejecting the premise of the question is actually answering the question.
When did you stop beating your wife?
I don’t necessarily disagree with you but I’m going to reserve judgment on this supreme issue for awhile.
Well said. Thanks
Obama’s message in 2008 = HOPE
Obama’s message in 2012 = FEAR
Americans who aren’t millionaires in 2016 = TOAST
I have that same feeling but it’s not that firm–because when Bush was president the Dems mostly rolled over and played dead.
If Romney is president I’m guessing Harry Reid will mostly roll over and play dead again.
In other words—this party is seriously infected. And we may be at the stage where it just doesn’t matter which one controls the White House–it only matters what the kabuki play looks like, depending on who is in charge.
If a Democrat is in charge it is a time of bi-partisanship and equally split committees that subvert democracy. If a Republican is in charge it is the tale of a helpless congress at the mercy of the White House—with a cast of rotating sellouts.
I so much want to find some sort of strategy to throw a monkey wrench into the system or at least stop the bleeding—but as things stand between these two corporate parties I just don’t see any solution–even ugly solutions–as that viable.
I’ve actually thought about Ron Paul and figured–okay—he’s going to gut social security and welfare programs and be a horrible disaster—-but he does seem serious about pulling back on America’s empire—and maybe that one thing would be worth putting him in the White House for—because as it stands–we’re getting the other stuff anyway—-WITH the wars.
That’s pathetic, I know.
But I feel like the lowly beggar staring up at these politicians with my hand open and eyes down and hoping they’ll toss me something–anything.
Just something.
I have the perfect voice for blogs! Frogs love it, too!
Blogs, frogs, it’s all good!!
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if your prediction in.re. Jeb is accurate. There is certainly plenty of time left before the election, and if Rick Perry can be considered a legitimate candidate for president, then Jeb would obviously be acceptable to the ignorati and the plutocrats.
Agree!! I am as guilty as the next person of dissing, mocking & scorning the Tea Party, but I have really worked on changing my attitude, habits, opinions and approaches. In my personal life, I do my best to speak with *everyone* I know about how we are ALL being ripped off by the elites, and that neither pol party represents the middle/working class, etc. And often speak about the salient of: united we stand, divided we fall.
Agree also re tv. I watch seldom & as little as poss, but my landlady often has on & often to some of the most gawd-awful junk. The *brainwashing* on all levels is incessant, and I’m pretty sure that they use a lot of the hidden/subtle (forget the name) stuff to push their propoganda onto individuals. My landlady sometimes spouts out the most ridiculous stuff, and, in theory, she is putatively a “Democrat” (in the old school way). But pretty often she spouts out the *exact* same rightwing talking points that my rightwing family members spout it. It is *insidious.* And even educated people have no idea how manipulated they are.
Bingo! That’s it. In a nutshell.
With very very few exceptions the entire political class and their enablers and promoters in the corporate media have lost all legitimacy. They are deserving of whatever the fates have in store for them.
That has been lightly floated here at FDL by FDL I believe . . . very lightly . . . as in the oligarchy/corps may need to be the target as the political process is fully corrupted . . . however I hesitate to suggest that FDL has endorsed that thought line . . . it’s not my blog and there’s been no formal announcements as such . . . *disclaimer*
I personally agree with the thought . . . although I must admit that Ellsberg n Moore on Sunday’s webinar got me thinking of working within the system a bit more . . . . working to ’14 or ’16 IF a name brand candidate at the top can be found to push the proggy planks and issues . . . I think some traction COULD be gained for the future with the right candidate . . . knowing full well we don’t win WH or Congress in ’12 . . .
But that’s a lot of work for years even WITH a proggy candidate or two to sound the horn.
I’m not sure we the people have that much time before it all slips from our hands (if it hasn’t already).
LeSigh.
Guess I need some sunshine and need to wash the cheetos stain off my hands . . . .;-)
Many liberal and progressives might very well consider Romney OR Obama such a distateful choice that they may vote for “change”. Ironic, huh??? It won’t take much defection from the Obama camp to spell his doom. As several of my colleagues here have mentioned, if the economy does not reboud better than it has it may all be academic. And, with the republicans guaranteeing we will NOT get anything through congress to create jobs, I think that’s a “no brainer”.
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Understandable but realize that’s how the upper 2% want you to feel: powerless. In the immortal words of Bob Marley: get up stand up, stand up for your rights, don’t give up the fight!!!!
What’s the future here? Obama wins in 2012 against Perry who positions himself for 2016 and we have no Jeb Bush in 2016. Notta gonna happen. Something else is going to happen.
I know this is very progressive, but I’d like to see some topless dancers.
Yeah, my perspective is pretty gloomy . .
The political system, WH, COngress, Judicial, Military and every facet of our lives is owned and operated by the corporate fascist oligarchs.
Sadly the stats on wealth and ownership of ‘stuff’ pretty much tells the story at full volume . . .
OTOH…..”Please sir, can I have some more?”
And that old saying “Never let them see you sweat.” I refuse to be afraid of the politicians. They are digging their own graves and I can’t and won’t do anything to stop them.
BT, I like the cut of your jib.
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Sing me a song Metamars, sang me a song . . . minor n modal, if ya please . . .
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I’d like to think they are “digging their own graves”. I’d like to buy them some new shovels, too.
The Guardian? Across teh “pond?” Interstellar!
Thanks, I guess. I didn’t intend that as a snarky analysis, only as accurate.
All “serious comedy” aside…..can WE do anything with these new media? Look at what has happened in the Arab world with Twitter and Facebook and the other stuff. Can we defeat the incumbents until we gete something better? Can we get term limits? Can we get free Pepsi with ALL pizza deliveries?
across teh pond
Shovels! Hell, let’s take up a collection and get them a backhoe, or better yet a steam shovel.
I think a little more “snark” is sometimes, appropriate.
That’s the thing, Perry is NOT a legit candidate except amongst the evangelical rabble aroused.
He’s just not electable . . . he’s being marched out there and allowed to run to distract and provide smoke and mirrors.
Come time, the GOP will annoint Jeb and the aroused rabble will join hands in prayer to defeat the evil Socialist/Commie/Devil of whomever the DIMS annoint . . . GOP unites, DIMS don’t, stay at homes and switched DIMS to Indie’s cost MORE DIM votes (which I’m all in favor of) . . . lowest voter turnout in history, GOP wins.
OR, Iran or false flag event here at home means Petreaus or someone of his ilk . . . I’m really becoming more and more concerned about this as Arab Spring/Summer and now Britain show signs of cracking around the edges due to austerity/authoritarian rule and measures. Oh, Greece too . . .
IMHO the IMF and their ilk own the planet and are squeezing hard.
A Military based presidency for USA enables even GREATER suppression of dissent as we descend to a depression hell that’s likely just around the corner . . . .
Jeb won’t want 2012 and inherit an even worse economic & financial disaster than Obama found himself in at election time.
The American voters will vote for the person that they believe will best control the rioting and looting.
He is done and he knows it, the only way he wins is by fooling folks or tearing his opponent down. He blew off his base and he knows it is going to come back to haunt him. His only chance of getting us to vote for him again is by scaring us or trashing his opponent. For someone who said he wanted to change how Washington did things he is pretty good at the same ole same ole. This nation cant afford four more years of Obama.
Destroy Romney? Well, Obama is good a destroying things. Like equality. Like jobs. He’s especially good at destroying hope. So his campaign tactic will probably work.
That’s what we need. More people like you who take a good idea and E-X-P-A-N-D on it.
That’s pretty much where I’m at, too.
Not a happy place to be.
Lots of pretty smart people here at FDL. Glad I joined. Why is the rest of the country so stupid???
Shouldn’t Obama work with Romney in the spirit of bipartisanship for the good of the country. I thought he was ushering a post partisan utopia.
OT, any word on turn out in Wisconsin? From a couple of interviews I’ve heard the Dems don’t sound quite as optimistic. The money bombs seem to be working.
“Why support austerity?”
It’s an IMF/G20 thing where everyone who is anyone is now supposed to do austerity.
Time to grab some sun and talk with my garden . . . thanks for the chats folks . . .
During the hippie movement, one of the constant arguments was whether we should work within the system or outside the system. Generally, working within the system would win and more and more people tried that. See where it got us today.
IOW, “All the cool kids are doing it.”
Gotcha.
Matt Damon Bio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Damon
Matt Damon Rips Debt Deal, Republicans, Tea Party (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/02/matt-damon-rips-debt-deal_n_916618.html
Matt Damon’s clear-headed speech to teachers rally
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/matt-damons-clear-headed-speech-to-teachers-rally/2011/07/30/gIQAG9Q6jI_blog.html
Matt Damon to cameraman: Maybe you are sh**ty at job
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20087141-10391698.html
Matt Damon s Charity Work, Events and Causes
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/231-matt-damon
“hemorrhaging”
It’s not only embarrassing, but disgusting that some of the people trashing our country today were once hippies. It appears that many of them sold out, and what we’re currently experiencing is the result.
For Obama’s sake he better hope that the mega-rich investors have a lot of votes.
But how will he ever be expected to walk across the white house lawn to get to Marine One.
I’m considering migrating to a country that has rejected the IMF, the World Bank, and US influence, and has embraced democracy, conservation, peace, and policies that elevate the welfare of its citizens. There appear to be countries in Latin America that find those values to be worthy of pursuit.
Please – your rhetorical two-step is a sad dodge.
But hey, if you’d rather take the word of anonymous sources and Romney supporters, that’s your business.
I’m not going to be able to mobilize the country around some of the tough, necessary choices that need to be made unless we’ve got the kind of grassroots support at every level that you guys so vividly displayed” in 2008, he told the crowd, who paid $15,000 per family.
This guy is horrible and I know Dan E and MM would want us to vote against Rommey but I don’t see the difference and I don’t think ANYONE can influence Obama to change his policy by Primarying him w/o being serious in trying to beat him…I think 3rd party movement has to happen…I live in a non swing state NJ..I am open to a 3rd party if one is not going to happen I will write in a name..I think we might want to think of name to vote for running or not…if you read this Jane..I am very happy to be a member and FDL is the greatest!
I agree. And while we are not voting for Obama we should have a general strike on the day of the election. Won’t be hard to do since many will be out of work anyway.
Newsflash to Obummer – Your corporate buddies and their millions do not add up to many votes, you better hope they will knock on doors and make phone calls and travel the country because we sure in the hell aren’t going to. Gone are the days when we all hold our noses and vote because you are supposedly a democrat.
If Matt Damon won’t run maybe he would agree to be a messenger. Do some speaking. Make some ads. If there is no national leadership we could concentrate on local and state races but it would help to have common agenda and message. Maybe he could recruit more messengers. I’d love to see an unabashed liberal message. We can’t win anyway until we take the argument back.
A strange criticism considering the rage that appears on every post and more of the comments on this site — not to mention the spelling errors. (“Hemmoraging”?) Glass houses, people.
that is a great idea or some form of protest…I really fear we are headed for darker days
Hear, hear, Ms. Hamsher.
Meny poople have troble spellin. It doesn’t meen we are stoopid.
yes a national voice to get the message out there and while I like Matt I am not sure if he would be the best 3rd party candidate or not…
The Obama campaign is looking for donations with the promise that if they roll in from the “little people” he promises to give some really good speeches. He gives good speech.
Oh, my dear, there were a LOT of long haired rednecks (that was the term used back then) mistaken for hippies but, yes, what you said X1000.
Baloney. The hippies didn’t do this. The rightwing did it in response to the hippies. They saw socialism creeping into the country and spent the last 30 years countering the movement. Hippies just got busy raising families, etc.
By the way, the DFH are back and they are here. The age demographic at FDL demonstrates this. (I am 61.)
Not to mention the “help” we get from our little spellcheckers. Just this am, I went to search “Adolf Hitler” on Wikipedia. By the time I hit the search button, I was searching “Adopt Hitler.” Horrifying in itself, though there are no existing pages on that subject, and I was invited to create one.
Employ Diebold.
You can never under estimate how stupid the OBAMA WH is? FOR LOL
What a bunch of clowns
Obama need not worry about ROMNEY, that is the least of his worries.
Every GOP candidate knows, that who ever wins the GOP nominations wins the WH.
WHY? Obama messed up! Black candidates can not attack their liberal base. It is that simple people. “If Obama wants to be Allen West, he needs to run as GOP candidate”
Hippies, Liberals, Progressives, will rip OBAMA head off in 2012, any intelligent Black candidate knows this to be a fact
Look around? more and more black leaders are attacking OBAMA, and they are attacking him hard! Obama is on his way to becoming Clarence Thomas.
Obama can not afford to lose Black Leaders, because this allows the entire Left to attack OBAMA with out any fear.
Can Obama really go negative on Romney? is this wise? No
If I am Romney, I just develop a commercial showing an elderly white couple crying, because OBAMA just cut their Social Security, Medicare, etc. and end it with a video of OBAMA playing basketball.
“yes this is a loaded commercial, but if Obama goes negative on Romney his political team will be free to go negative on OBAMA”
David Plouffe, David Axelrod, and OBAMA have no clue about Race Base Politics.
White voters in OHIO, MICHIGAN, FLORIDA, are not going to vote for OBAMA in 2012, unless he transform into FDR quick.
Black Reagan which is OBAMA new nickname has no shot at winning in 2012
Cornel West, Tavis Smiley, John Conyers, are un-loading on OBAMA, Obama has all but wiped out the black middle class.
Watch Mitchell OBAMA, talk is she does not want to become Mrs. Clarence Thomas, Mitchell did not sign up to be the most hated Black Woman in Black America, Obama shot at being the next MLK, is not going to happen.
Watch Mitchell OBAMA, she under stands Race politics, her husband is clueless and dumb. ” Mitchell knows, if her husband runs around the USA talking about cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade, basically acting like Clarence Thomas, the entire OBAMA Family will have to leave the USA.
Mitt Romney is laughing his head off at OBAMA political team! Mitt Romney is probably begging for David Plouffe, David Axelrod, to go negative on him.
Mitt Romney knows this will allow the GOP hell hounds to un-load hell on OBAMA.
Also watch how Senate dems and House Dems treat Obama the next couple of months, talk is all are running for the exits.
Good Luck People of Wisconsin!
Some of us, like a certain lady of Irish extraction living in the Sacto area, are also very funny.
It does not matter!!!
Obama need not worry about Mitt Romney
GOP voters already know OBAMA is Black, and they will turn out big time in 2012.
Obama is going to wake up, in September of 2012, and realize they don’t like me because I am Black, for LOL, and then he is going to catch FDR RELIGION, it will probably be too late than.
Watch Mitchell OBAMA!!!
Does Mitchell want to become Mrs. Clarence Thomas?
Talk is, she does not!
Obama may be a moron, Mitchell is already thinking about life after the WHITE HOUSE.
Obama may end up sleeping in the OVAL office FOR LOL
the MLK thing is all but gone.
Watch Mitchell OBAMA, I don’t think she likes the idea of becoming Mrs. Clarence Thomas.
Sister Jane this is math of a person who makes with minimum wage without taking a day in a year and off course paying no federal, state and sales taxes( in some states for argument sake).
$7.25 per hour x 40 hours /week x 56 weeks / year = $16,240 per annum
If our political representatives are so far apart from reality that they frame $15,000 as grass roots we have a problem and I really believe they are not aware of the hardships people are experiencing.
Oh for god’s fuckin sake her name is MICHELLE!
Obama’s mega-rich investors will make sure that Obama “gets” all the votes that they want him to have. Ever heard of Diebold?
If the super rich want Obama to “win” in 2012, then all of our discussions here are moot, imo.
Agree 100%! NONE of my hippie friends, and they are legion, are the ones who sold out and made the mess. That’s speaking just for me, but in all seriousness, the so-called “hippie” movement was fairly small.
What a lot of citizens don’t realize is this: because there was a draft, a lot of rich folks’ kids *had* to go into the military (excepting chicken-weenies like GW Bush, Dick Cheney, etc, but IOKIYAR) and fight in Viet Nam. A LOT of students turned out to protest the War in Viet Nam bc they didn’t want to fight in it, and ultimately so did their parents, etc.
Many who protested the War in Viet Nam were NOT hippies. The hippies espoused many other counter-culture ideas (this is being extremely simplistic and quick), such as equality for minorities and women and gays, for starters. Some of then branched out to protesting nascent NeoLiberalism, such as the coup to take down lawfully elected Salvador Allende – for the sake of US corporations, I might add. But these efforts, along with envirommentalism & better working conditions, were NOT efforts backed and supported by ALL of the masses who protested the Viet Nam War.
Once that war was over, the rightwing conservatives put on their ties and commenced to ripping off as much as they could. And the rest, as they say, is history….
Don’t blame hippies for this mess. I will accept NO part of the blame. Been fighting this tooth & nail for years on end, sad to say.
Erickson has an interesting take:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/08/09/barack-obamas-george-bush-problem/
Clearly Perry is the darling with the conservatives at that site, Perry will jump on as a TeaParty secessionist States rights candidate and bridge the fundie gap.
Ron Paul is doing okay acc’d to heresay in the same thread. Mittens is an outside chance.
I’ll bet they neutralize Mittens and then paint Perry as nutzo Christianist like they did Sharon Angle.
Other posts show a split with the Christiansists pissed off at Libertarian Doug Matacondis and Super Zionist Jenniffer Rubin who doesn’t like Perry’s referrals to Jesus.
You mean the scientific method of repeatable and verifiable results reviewed by peers in an attempt to explain the world and the universe? That vs. Religion, basically fairytales for adults? Just clarifying here.
Religion is weird and, more to the point, often unchallengeable due to faith. It’s not what a person believes in that is such a problem. It is how they act upon those beliefs and western religions in particular are somewhat aggressive about that. Not much on tolerance.
Mormonism is still pretty much a cult that is starting to transition to the mainstream. It probably needs a few more generations but don’t doubt for a moment that its underpinnings are very weird and, being so new, easily seen for what it is, a con-job, like scientology. This does not mean they do not serve their purpose, providing structure, comfort, “answers” for followers, and a certain amount of power and control for the priests.
Does Romney being Mormon disqualify him? I used to think so, but more and more I view it as part of the process of integrating movements into society. He’s an Oligarch first, a capitalist second, a politician third, and his Mormonism is just part of the makeup that makes him a uncaring and inhumane prick, a quasi-sociopath, more than likely. He would be similar to Obama I think. He would suck.
There might be maggots in the mind of political discourse, and destroyers of hopes, dreams,and equal justice under the law. Obama Presidency have come down to, “It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.” They have decide to throw a little religious bigotry in the pot with the opium of Mitt Romney Mormon beliefs trying to win. Where were this iron will when the people needed a voice. The people are more that walking shadows and life is more than chance.
The statement ,”Cast your bread upon the waters, for after many days you will find it again”. This gives this statement from Ecclesiastes a whole new meaning. These fools in the White House is trying to cheat karma. They have past their allotted time. I will call The White House and ask to be a volunteer. I will volunteer to help them load the U-Haul Trucks at the end of 2012. Since we help him get there,its only just that we help him to leave.
We’re the same age, and I can guarantee you that even some of the hippies and druggies I ran with got married, had kids, joined the establishment, and embraced greed,materialism, and the free market philosophy.
My guess is that Jeb Bush will be “drafted” as the GOP candidate.
I’ve heard Democrats make the same analogy to GHWB. Lose the base in a bad economy and you’ve got big problems.
I always felt that Mitt wouldn’t take the GOP nomination, but Huntsman is looking pretty bush league and the party doesn’t want a nut because it’s Obama’s best hope at this point. So Romney and Pawlenty may be the last ones standing who aren’t extremists that would terrify the country. It ain’t exactly a deep bench, so to speak.
You may be right.
It’s right out of the Karl Rove Republican playbook.
I’m re-reading Matt Taibbi’s Griftopia and took particular note of his observation at the beginning that the Tea Party “organizers” picked up the very real gripes of those who became Tea Party members — loss of jobs, foreclosures, regulations that were onerous and/or frivolous — but cleverly managed to point the finger of blame AWAY from the real culprits [bankers, hedge funds, rich folks] and encourage “the rabble” to fight among each other and/or howl at the DFH.
We should not fall into a similar trap, but should concentrate more on educating ALL those who are hurting about just who it is that’s inflicting [and benefiting from] the pain.
I think one of the worst things about Obama’s presidency is that he has completely shut down criticism. What would, under other circumstances, be “policy-based” criticism — of the horrid choices he’s made — is now characterized as racist, or “favoring Obama’s opponents.” What’s next?? We’re all “terrorists”?
Obama and the DNC have, through pressure and financial intimidation, shut down ANY Democratic criticism, of either Obama or his policies. As a result, there’s NO ONE who stands in opposition to his lunacy.
And those who have traditionally looked to the Democratic Party to stand up for them can see it’s a hollow shell. Like the rest of the country, the “good parts” have been sold to those with the money. There’s no soul or morality left.
There, fix it for you. The only improvement I could make on an outstanding post, save for pointing out the mile high obelisk of having the first Black American President, with Kenyan roots, who probably did not attend a Madrassa painting his opponent as “not one of us.” Makes me twitch a little.
That was pretty much the point of my response to Gordon Hilgers at #5, whose principal beef with Tea Partiers was that they were (1) angry and (2) bad spellers.
Just in time to “save” the GOP party once the MOTUs fully realize Obama will be one toxic MFer by 2012 and the media will play it up, that we now have the strong president we need (again) to replace the “weak” democrat.
I think we’ve heard that one too many times.
“The President said he supported the public option. Are you going to believe anonymous White House sources?”
“Nobody in the administration said they hate liberal blogs. Are you going to believe John Harwood’s anonymous White House sources?”
“The President doesn’t support cuts to Social Security. Are you going to believe David Brooks’s anonymous White House sources?”
The White House, as a matter of policy, does not speak on the record almost ever. So anonymous professional trolls like yourself can run around spinning the story to the micro-audience they are speaking to as it suits them, and perpetuate the fantasy that the President has the principles of the particular audience they are propagandizing at the moment.
This isn’t your Rorschach test. If you’d like to make a note in your profile, Mr. Sr. Researcher, that you are here professionally and let people know that you’re not just some “guy with an opinion,” you can make that argument here. But if you want to stay anonymous, observe the rules for Pro Trolls that Mike Sax forgot: don’t float oppo disinformation, and don’t be a disruptive dick.
“Floating oppo disinformation?” That’s quite a leap.
So is assuming that my job title (wherever you got that from) means I’m working surreptitiously for somebody’s campaign.
Anyway, from here on, I’ll stick to visiting TBogg. I’ve had enough of this.
“Once that war was over, the rightwing conservatives put on their ties and commenced to ripping off as much as they could. And the rest, as they say, is history….”
And after Reagan got in, that history was intensively revised.
It doesn’t have to be this way. We keep looking at what they have to offer us and try to find something good in it when we can have our own candidate to get excited about in 2012. As I have said many times on this thread….the key is LABOR. They have the money and Women/Man Power. It can be done.I have already contacted my Local to try to stir something up . Others should be putting the “bug” in there Locals also
thanks!
Michelle Obama, or Mrs. Married to the guy who hates the people who voted for him.
Michelle Obama is going to have a long talk with her Husband, Michelle did not sign up for this.
Michelle Obama probably has a better feel for which way the wind is blowing, than her husband.
A tradition, since 1948.
Ron Paul doesn’t believe in those programs he said, but we can afford them if we end the wars, and get out of those other countries. He wants to end the Fed, or at least Federalize it.
IMO he’s real anti-war game changer but probably unelectable.
Good point. Tom Ferguson, political scientist, says that the G20 determined at the Toronto Summit last year, in their wisdom, that we were in economic recovery and that stimulus and state spending should be reined in. The Obama administration signed on to this nonsense.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7144
yeah, I was kinda whistling past the graveyard wasn’t I?
yeah, I was “whistling past the graveyard” wasn’t I?
We are in the wilderness now as Progressives under Obama. He treats us as the enemy. Four more years will only intensify our marginialization. Better to use the next four years to regroup and organize as outsiders. Obama wants what Clinton ‘enjoyed’ in his second term: Republican Congress
The base has turned to quick sand
Petraeus keeps being name dropped as a hail Mary alternative for the repubs. But doesn’t he have cancer?
Finally something shovel ready
Is Pawlenty gonna stay in the race if he is an also ran in this Ames Straw Poll?
Also “whore”, “creep”, “filth”, “faker”, and “slimy”. So many epithets, so little reason not to use them. Sigh.
Ben Affleck-Jennifer Lopez in 2012!
Because the team that brought you Gigli is still better than Obama.
And I don’t care who the Repubs nominate, I won’t vote for either their nominee or Obama. Stewart Alexander write-in, baby! I’m not trying to be on a “winning team”, I’m trying to make my preference heard.
Obama has had all the chances he deserves. The R’s could clone Hitler and nominate him; I still wouldn’t vote for Obama.
Seems to me O and his people have always framed themselves as the Popular Crownd and have tried to make opponenents into social outcasts. ‘Are you in?’ comes to mind. But the spectacle of O claiming that somebody else is ‘unprincipeled’ is a regular freak shown.