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Currently President Obama’s job approval rating stands at only 40 percent according to the latest Gallup poll. This is the lowest support Gallup has yet found in their polling. From Gallup:
Part of the problem for the President is the likely the result of the debt ceiling fight, which has made the American public very unhappy with everyone in Washington.
Despite that fact, I don’t think there will be much of a bounce back for Obama once this fight is resolved. President Obama’s problems go much deeper than just this temporary fight.
Americans overwhelmingly say the top problems facing the country right now are jobs and the economy, and the most recent economic news has been really bad. If you can’t deliver on what the electorate wants most, it is hard to win re-election.
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Hmm, might have something to do with the President putting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid on the chopping block.
On top of all the other economic shit he and Congress refuse to make an honest job of solving.
But…but…but…certain uh…message board people…insist that his approval rating surpasses 500% among liberals.
So which is it?
Gee, ya’ think? Guy has some outsized ego, doesn’t he?
While this liberal will not vote for him again, I know plenty who will even though in any given week they might tell a pollster they disapprove of his performance.
This really seems kind of a silly question to me.
But, but, but…. they extended all the Bush cuts AND then they cut payroll taxes, and everyone knows tax cuts creates jobs. So what’s the problem?
Oh yeah, it’s that damned old confidence fairy not waving her magic wand yet.
My bad.
I understand what you are saying, but there is a degree of correlation between job approval and votes – it’s not a 100% correlation, but to say this is “silly” is not correct.
You know, up until about a year ago, if I had been asked by a pollster whether I approved of the President, I might have said “yes”, even though by then I was pretty disgusted with him. I would have done so because disapproval would likely have been interpreted as criticism that he was too liberal. But now I would tell anyone who asks that I strongly disapprove of him, and very much wish that someone would challenge him for the nomination. At this point in 1967, no one thought LBJ could be denied the nomination in 1968, but when it came time for the primaries, it was quickly apparent that his support was a house of cards that collapsed at the first touch. It may well be so with Obama, if anyone has the courage to challenge him.
Once again, Stirling Newberry:
http://symbalitics.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-entrant-for-worst-president-ever.html
His approval is 40% higher than it should be.
I think both left and right of center think no one has done a good job, so a pox on everyone. I wonder where they could get such an idea?
GDP grew 1.3% and unemployment is 9.2% or around 16% depending on your perspective. Sort of surprising GDP rose with such lousy employment numbers. Guess consumers are still buying stuff up.
There look to be two different forces bringing down his numbers, one with independents and the other with liberals.
Gallup says it’s due to unhappiness with Obama’s handling of the debt ceiling. I imagine that may be why Independents are unhappy, but Social Security and Medicare “grand bargain” talk is probably also impacting liberals.
But when the history of this era is written, it will go down that the President asked everyone to tweet at the GOP. If FDR was alive I just don’t see him rolling up his sleeves and jumping into the DNC social media troll pit as a solution.
I wonder what the polled people think he should be doing that Republicans wouldn’t just prevent.
Tax System Reform? Republicans said they want it, but haven’t.
Increase minimum wage? You must be joking. Republicans say “No”.
More infrastructure spending? Republicans said they want it, but haven’t.
Eliminate Bush tax cuts on the rich? Republicans say “No”.
About all that’s left is to pass the trade agreements which were negotiated first by the Bush admin. They won’t do much.
Maybe the public is not well informed.
At least.
IMO, he and the last asshole that occupied that position warrented negative ratings.
Does this mean actor Obama has been ordered to commit political seppuku by the real directors of this political kabuki play?
When the elderly, the infirmed, students and the working and middle class finally wake up to what he has in store for them today’s number will seem unbelievably inflated. Of course the wake up call will not be coming from the corporate media, it will have to come from the blogs and face to face contact.
Ding! Ding! Ding! No more calls, folks, we have a winnah!
Now that’s leadership: ask the people to tweet the opposition.
Metaphor
The “free trade agreements” will do just what NAFTA did. The sucking sound you hear is jobs leaving the country.
Wasn’t it FDR that said about Republicans something along the lines of “I welcome their hatred?”
And he won 4 terms.
Obama had that same possibility, including even perhaps the 4 terms, if he had just done what needed to be done when he had the majorities he needed to get shit done.
Had he had a massive jobs program, passed single payer health care, and held the banksters liable for their thievery, I honestly think he would not only cruise to re-election, he would’ve stirred up a movement to repeal the amendment limiting terms.
People can be fooled, especially with all the progaganda tools the right has today, but had the people experienced that kind of response and that kind of economic rebound, coupled with the fact that once health care is a right people are going to love that, he would go down as one of the most popular and best Presidents in history.
Instead he and the Democrats in DC CHOSE to work for special interests instead of the people. For the wasted opportunity alone they all deserve a special place in hell IMO, much less the actual damage they’re doing by making a recession another depression.
Prediction: Barack Obama will be the last Democratic president. Ever.
People have to eat.
Great news!
Here’s something to jog the memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yoZHs6PsU
Listening to the FDR’s speech one would think nothing has changed.
Perhaps only 36 percent higher. You have to factor in the Gallup poll’s margin of error.
GDP grew 1.3% and unemployment is 9.2% or around 16% depending on your perspective.
Wait until the debt ceiling’s austerity measures further de-stimulate the economy. Can you say “double dip”?
In 2008 the GOP was a minority party. Obama chose Olympia Snowe as his starting point on health care despite her minority status.
Don’t fool yourself. The only reason the GOP is and was relevant is because Barack Obama wanted them to be.
Kinda weird isn’t it?
He thinks Carly Simon was singing about him
He had the opportunity to bury the Republican Party for a generation by exposing the war crimes, corruption and attacks on the civil liberties of the people to the electorate. Instead he decided it would be best to just look forward. Rule of Law?? How quaint. Obama is guilty of political malfeasance and malpractice.
Yep, I’m still listening in another window.
I was just thinking that, that this same speech could be given today.
Word. Once a social climber, always a social climber.
Bob Seger sounds more appropriate. “Beautiful Loser.”
Yes, and expiring unemploymnent benefits will make it even worse. We may be in for a self reinforcing downturn no matter what happens with the debt talks and worse, far worse, if there is actual default. I doubt there will be a default but who knows for sure. By the time catfish 2 is done at year end we will be set up for a real disaster in 2012. Wonder if Obama understands any economics at all??
Right on the money Fat Guy.
Ahm, restoring the rule of law (which he campaigned on), ending torture, rendition, and assassinating American citizens with no due process. Bring back habeas corpus, close GITMO, and bring ALL the troops home from Iraq (in the campaign he specifically promised that would be done by 2009, it’s now 2011).
He could now begin to draw down our troops (and exposure) in Afghanistan.
He could use the 14th amendment to end this charade.
He could use his veto pen to stop any and all attempts to cut the social safety net instead of proposing cuts himself and creating a commission all by himself to do just that.
Should I keep going or is that a good enough start?
Obama = Bush 3rd term
nothing about OBAMA says he is a democrat.
He will never sit at the table with FDR, JFK, LBJ, never!
Boner is now pitching his shit. Wants a balanced budget amendment. that alone should disqualify it.
Boner: poor fuck. Bleat, bleat bleat.
What bothers me sometimes is why is no one ever mad at Obama about the wars?
Totally
We’re all American Idiots for voting for this Funky President who thinks All Eyes Should be on Him
Obama’s appointee for job creation, Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of GE, announced several days ago that they would be moving the Xray/MRI division to China. Another brilliant move by Obama but after Summers and Geithner no one can be surprised.
I’m boiling mad at him over the wars, not to mention his continuation of Bush administration policies concerning Executive Branch power and civil liberties. But then again, I’m not a Capitol Hill Democrat, nor am I a D.C.-based Democratic Party mandarin, so my opinion has zero weight.
I’m mad about the wars ….and everything else.
All of those “sanctimonious purists” are finally starting to get it.
I always hate seeing these polls. It just means the president will interpret it as his not being center (Republican) enough. 2010 election meet your big brother the 2012 election and say hello to hideous right wing government.
Obama has one huge problem..he is Obama who has one huge problem. What a tragedy that he has turned out to be this way. “Advisors” should be banned from the WH.
They, (we), are but *surprise* this thread isn’t about warz. If you are wondering why the msm isn’t mad about them, please disregard the previous and use the following:
ROTFLMAO!
In response to Staggerlee @46
Ahm, we’re living under hideous right wing government right now. We’re way past hello.
His advisors reflect him, not vice versa. At least that’s what I believe. Rahm Emanuel is a well known hater of liberals. He’s proud of it. He got fired because of his mouth, not because of his opinions.
He’s a Democrat? Had me fooled.
I’m not happy about his expansion of Bush idiocy. That being said I deplore his domestic policy at least as much if not more.
Green Day’s America Idiot should today be blaring atop barricades in Washington D.C.!
Sigh. Yup.
He’s a Vichycrat but don’t say that around the Daily Kos unless you just like the drama and clutching of pearls. The entertainment value was worth it.
Very real possibility, IMHO. The Obama/DLC/Third Way plan to destroy the Democratic Party is proceeding even better than planned.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/07/27/280768/report-obama-and-boehner-agreed-to-raise-medicare-eligibilty-age-before-debt-talks-broke-down/
His problem is that he’s so ahistorical that he really believes form trumps substance, process trumps ideology, triangulation trumps values. Sometimes you have to do the right thing because it is the right thing particularly when 300 million people depend on you to lead.
You don’t cut trillions in spending because you’re scared of a handful of lunatic congressional freshmen. You stay the course, stimulate the economy, focus on jobs.
hi honey !
they are not quite ready to change the site’s name to Hail Hamsher !, but there is definitely a change over there – President/Dems clearly crossed a line with talk of Big 3 on the table – not just diaries either, reality based dissatisfaction has been expressed by all the front pagers
[Lawrence O'Donnell]
Ohhh, he was only joshing! He didn’t really support raising the Medicare age, he was just using a brilliant negoitating strategy to show the world what assholes the Republicans are. Brilliant!!
[/Lawrence O'Donnell]
I wonder if Obama understands anything other than self-aggrandizement?
I’ve noticed a small change but there was a post over there last week really badmouthing us as “firebaggers” and “traitors” and really ripping into Jane, well you get the idea, that had almost 1,000 recommends. The pro Obama wing still rules over there.
You and I and that hubby of yours need to get together again soon!
Let’s watch the villagers among the Washington punditry try and spin these numbers. Guess they don’t know what the hell they’re talking about after all, the country is less interested in compromise and bipartisanship, and the damned deficit/debt ceiling fight, and are more interested in how they’re going to keep a roof over their families heads, and put food on the table. Who would’ve thunk it!
Hey Obama, hope those ass-backward advisers can figure out how to get you out of this one!!! Oh, and one more thing, the numbers are also low because the base voters have finally figured out this guy cares more about his re-election than actually doing the damned job and eager willingness to sell out sacriment base priorities. Looks like the results are in, Democrats actually give a damn about our principles and those they protect, seems the Washington morons don’t. Time to fire the team and hire a new one.
Obama couldn’t sit at a table with Eisenhower, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt either.
Fuck, Nixon was more progressive than this shit-head.
My recollection is that there were as many members of Congress strongly opposed to the Civil Rights Act as there are now opposed to a clean bill raising the debt ceiling until after 2012. LBJ knew how to twist arms and make deals and do whatever it took to get the job done and he did it. Our noble leader, by contrast, can think of nothing to do but call on us to twitter. Pitiful.
I thought Obama was going to do a better job of telling us voters about All that he has Accomplished/s and that his poll numbers were going to go up once voters knew the real story?
So were Reagan and Bush Sr.
GDP rose because Wall Street Banksters are still making money hand over fist, no other reason.
And when he “fails” miserably and puts on the old capitulation act, he’ll blame the liberals who didn’t carry his water for him, even if every liberal US citizen on the planet called their MOC.
How low does it have to go to primary him?
Bush Sr, yeah, I’ll agree. But not Ronnie. He was a die hard right winger. The fact that he raised taxes seven times just shows that he had a bit of common sense. Remember James Watt?
Who never attacked Social Security…
As long as Obama is more popular than the GOP and the GOP Presidential candidates Obama sees no problem the thing is at less than 50% he is very likely to wake up one day and find out he is not higher than them in the polls.
By then it will be to late attitudes will be set against him and his Cred to get things done will be gone too.
I’m thinking until the donations to the DNC start to really dry up. It’s nothing but a money making venture now. Has been for years. They’d much rather have a Republican in charge. I’m sure they broke all records in 2004 and 2008.
To Primary Obama we need a candidate who can get on tv and say our ideas FDR’s ideas really about creating jobs. If we had that a focus point we could beat Obama and the GOP now.
Money is important but so are events an attack on Iran and $10 a gallon gas could get us a Primary challenge easy.
A Default by the United States on its Debt could do the same. A large military defeat in Afghanistan or Iraq could do it.
Higher Unemployment and or more home losses could do it and since nothing is being done to fix those problems this seems likely.
Another Bank crisis is also likely.
The problem Obama has is that many people don’t vote FOR a candidate or a party. They vote AGAINST. That is mainly what got Obama elected. It WON’T get him re-elected. Contrary to what many conservative bloggers post here, the liberals I know and the independednts I know are sufficiently disapppointed in Obama that many might well vote for Romney. The guy is not your typical republican and many people I know who are in the middle or on the left figure he coudn’t do any worse.
Further, Obama lost focus on “jobs”, didn’t close Gitmo, extended the Afghan wat to who knows when and there are still lots of troops on the ground in Iraq. He did NOT do anyhting about procecuting the banksters and he is still wiretapping. What difference would Romney make????
Don’t be silly. Romney can never get nominated. What you see of his support is what you get, and the right-wing Republicans will unite in opposition to him as the field narrows.
I agree. He’s chasing independents but many of them are aging Reagan Democrats who only voted for him out of economic desperation and what does he tell them? He wants to raise the Medicare eligibility age. If you are a blue collar ethnic who can’t hang on to a job in this economy, that’s not what you want to hear.
Republicans sell low taxes. Democrats sell security —- or they lose.
No shit, Cat’.
Every time I read that his approval rating with self-professed liberals is above 70%, I ask, where did the poll-takers get their Ouija board…
Big Lots?
“Are You In” the 40th percentile?
Ron, wadr, unless Romney’s got something scary in his closet, I think he’ll get it. What we just saw with the House vote, will repeat itself:
The flat-earthers will foam at the mouth, and then they’ll be given some planks in the platform, and a chance to rant and rave at the convention…Romney will fart and tapdance with them some…and they will grudgingly come around.
Bottom line is: Bachmann is too far right, as is Texas’ Rick Perry.
Palin is toxic to way too many american voters. The republican powers-that-be are willing to waltz some with their bottom feeders, but no horizontal boogie, as Robin Williams calls it. The tea party scenario will be Christine O’donnell, all over again. They’re all too incapable of answering semi-intelligent questions without scaring the living shit out of people.
The disclaimer: We still have a long time to go, and anything could happen. Obama’s numbers are headed south and while they will probably bounce around some, I don’t see them getting above 50% again, and if anyone thinks that he can turn this around looking at a republican House, please tell us how. Also, if/when the shit hits the fan in Iraq, he will pay a political price for it, and should, for not using some of the mountain of clout that we gave him in 2008 to get us out of there, and no “adviser” bullshit about it.
Lastly, I seem to remember that Petraeus agreed to take over the CIA? Is that right? If so, that will take him out of the picture, but if that doesn’t happen, the GOP would dance naked to have him run. Just sayin’…
People don’t want a pussy as president. W proved that. The moron public wants a decisive macho man, even if he is wrong, wrong, wrong, and leads the nation to disaster.
Absolutely.
Oh, hell, let’s listen to the whole thing:
1936 Madison Square Garden speech (thanks to the Miller Center)
The whole thing is so fucking brilliant. If I quoted all my favorite bits, I might as well quote the whole thing.
Obama can rot in hell. Alas, as an atheist, I doubt that’s likely.
Vote Socialist;
Grazie for putting that up.
The words ring like a Lincoln speech, don’t they?
Jesus, how far we’ve sunk.
Margaret, Earl Butz (bless his heart… :o) ) was Gerald Ford’s Sec. of Agriculture…also, his secretary of open-mouth, insert-foot. He came to Duke for a speech on World Hunger and when a student ask him about the steeply rising population rate, and the Catholic Church’s opposition to birth control, Earl replied, (Italian accent here):
“Don’t worry about the Pope; he no playa da game; he no maka da rules.”
Of course the Catholics got onto him, and it played into Ford’s subsequently firing him.
My point is that with Obama sitting at 40%, and with very little likelihood that he’ll ever see 50 again, the stay-the-coursers are in a dwindling minority. Increasingly, they no maka da rules. :o)
This democrat has zero faith in Obama and yes I voted for him.
Since that time he has basically become a republican.
He governs as George Bush and his first inclination every time is the sacrifice the people.
He spends on war like a drunken sailor but denies people.
He is vacuous in principles and seems more of an opportunist than a genuine human being.
His concept of meeting in the middle is to abandon the left totally and hand the right 99.5% of everything they ever wanted.
I cannot afford 4 more years of losing everything I worked for.
Things: I think the “his cred to get things done” train is halfway to China, as we speak. :o)
Actually they want someone who isn’t a corporate owned lying sack of shit.
He certainly seems to know absoulutely NOTHING about history.
his contempt for “the blogosphere” grows out of pure bafflement, and so does his stupid suggestions to send tweets.. tweets and the twits who send and read them all day are the 2011 equivalent of 18th century Versaille courtesans and thier pet monkeys running around delivering notes and perfumed hankies. jello heads like brian williams think twitter is important.
A belated right-on, OFG.
This spending-limit, social-program-chopping theater is only Obama’s latest offense. The list of offenses against democratic and lawful principles is long and getting ever longer. Lower poll numbers are the well-earned results of crapping on your base supporters.
I would enthusiastically support a President who didn’t give a whit whether he had the votes or not, but went ahead and fought publicly and bravely for policies and programs that benefited those OUTSIDE the circle of elites. Instead of using his oratorical skills rallying the public and demonstrating the he is going to do what’s right by them, or die trying, he instead uses these skills, futilely, trying to convince us that the turd he’s selling is actually a bar of solid gold.
It’s tough to have his back when he doesn’t have ours.
“…and their pet monkeys running around delivering notes and perfumed hankies.”
THERE is a coffee spew! :o)
It’s also true. I don’t know anyone who “tweets” regularly, who can pour piss out of a boot with the proverbial instructions written on the heel.
:o)
“It’s tough to have his back when he doesn’t have ours.”
For me, it’s impossible. :o)
And, truth to tell, he has our “back”, but it’s without our permission and he won’t even give us a reach-around. :o)
While the party seems to weak to fight Obama, Obama will inevitably lose the next election if he continues to compromise the people.
To win he needs voter turnout.
With a very broken democratic party he will never have that kind of turnout.
He disgusted the left who worked their hearts out to get him elected, made the calls, had voter registration drives and more. Few of those people have the incentive to work again for the only change that happened was Obama changed or morphed into a very weak condescending republican whose anger generally only emerges when speaking of the left.
I cannot see a large voter turn out for him.
Seniors are turned off
The middle class is losing their jobs, labor is defeated without representation by the democrats, pensions are being destroyed and now social security and medicare is being minimized. Add to that the great health care debate became an insurance industry bill and workers everywhere are finding their premiums are rising in untoward ways while their salaries decline.
When did the Rule of Law disappear? Wasn’t that under Bush?
Q: Do Dems believe in an independent Attorney General or should they be directed by the president? Do you also accept that same position for Republican prez & AG?
Strange I haven’t heard of any recent instances of those things. Have you been reliving the memory of Dubya?
Can anyone get Congress to go along? Hasn’t Obama said he’d do it in a heartbeat if they would allow it?
That, IIRC, was before Bush negotiated the treaty with Iraq to put us on the schedule we have. If you want to tell the president he should violate a law/treaty you can do that, but I doubt he’ll violate it.
I agree, but I really don’t see what that has to do with the debt ceiling negotiations.
Do you mean invoking it, announcing he’ll use it? How long would it take the Republicans to gen up an impeachment? Let’s hope he continues trying to get the job done without extreme measures. There’s time for consideration of the use of that later. In any event, announcing it now wouldn’t help the process or change the Republican positions.
Just because people say he created the “catfood” commission to do that does not mean he did. One note, he has also been criticized for NOT following their recommendations. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
That’s a fine list, but I don’t see anything there really related to the debt ceiling ‘crisis’ and I don’t see any real recommendations, except the 14th Amend. thing, which might be construed as a way through this.
Just a lot of complaining.
He doesn’t want to be seen as the Black President of Black People. That’s why he trended towards the middle and as I said before we were warned by Shelby Steel on Bill Moyers, he wants to please everybody. That’s his legacy in Chicago, that’s what he’s doing now.
When he was in front of the Latino Conference, he got huge cheers when he said that some have suggested he use the 14Th Admin to increase the debt limit and let the lawyers fight over it the next 4-6 months. There is no political downside to doing it.
The reality is, he wants to make changed to SS. He already did to Medicare and Medicaid. We went round and round on FDL supporting Health Care Reform, the point was, it was shit policy and delayed shit policy at that.
He knew he could have buried the GOP for at least a decade or more, but he’s not interested in burying them, because Wall St. runs the show, I hope you people understand that. All the Clintonistas think you’ll just show up and vote Dem because you hate the GOP enough and the DNC less to not vote for them.
Of course low turnout elections work in the GOP’s favorite and they are already working on suppressing the with all this photo ID to vote bills.
What would a GOP Jobs program look like? Tax Cuts! Maybe they’ll throw a few billion at Infrastructure but not nearly enough as 2 Trillion needs to be done. They won’t come near that number. They may bring the troops from Iraq home, but that’s it. As McSain said, nobody cares if the troops are in the great sandbox for 100 years as long as no Americans are dying and you know he’s right.
Americans have likely forgotten we have bases STILL throughout Western Europe and slowly moving into Central Europe, making Russia nervous.
Reality will set in though, it doesn’t matter who’s President, its already baked in the cake. The value of the dollar will drop like a rock, our credit rating will drop from triple A to double A and interest rates will go up and economic doom will happen. It will be on the GOP’s watch but it won’t make a difference they’ll be powerless to stop the downward slide.
Our only savor is that we’re in a much better position than the UK was when their empire started to fall apart. Like Reagan they’ll fight some bullshit battle vs. a weak force, maybe North Korea this time. Just to show Americans that we can still kill people for no reason = Bullies
America’s slide will take decades, some of you won’t see it (pensioners), while others will be right in the middle of it and while on a day to day basis it won’t be felt much especially if you live in rich states with diverse economies like California or New York State. But in the middle of the country and deep south? Look at Trenton, NJ, Detroit or Gary, Indiana and that my friends is the FUTURE of the United States. The midwest, much of the east and deep south will feel it. You’ll see it first in brain drain, the smart people, will leave first they always do, they are informed. Then you’ll be left with those that can’t afford to leave and those that don’t want to leave because of pride or loathing the liberal mindset on both coast.
America this is your future and I really don’t see how we’re going to stop it. They aren’t going to televise the Revolution. If you make too much noise the police will come after you. If that’s not enough they sick the FBI, ATF and DEA on you. If that’s not enough, they’ll call the National Guard.
The “end” is here and the US is about to become really regional…
I sort of agree with you. He’s trying to be a centrist as much as we HATE that idea. Some in America actually want that. They don’t want far Right ideology and they don’t want far Left ideology.
But I think you missed that he set himself up for this. This keeps one wondering about the multi-dimensional chess that people on the left keep talking about. Maybe he wanted to see how far the GOP could bury themselves?
Does that mean the House will rebound and return to Dem favor? Maybe but unlikely. We’ll we have numbers to stick it to the Tea Party? Maybe, but that’s a big MAYBE.
We will still have a super rich Senate basically calling the shots, watering down policy after policy because they are beholden to the Owners of this Country?
I’m sorry to say – YES
*toilet/flush*
Buh by Obama. Dims, Thugs and more.
It’s only the beginning, too, of the failure of the system.
It’s over, this one. Empire and all.
Over. Gone.
Only the ruin is left to deal with . . .
Why I Love This Town.
She, and others, speak it so well.
Bless all.
Obama could always hope for a dead cat bounce in his approval.
Phookin dang Tan you ain’t listenin to me?
*G*
Obama is frogg marched (yer choice of words) out of the Dim Party, HRC is annointed.
SHE is beaten badly by Jeb . . . .
Jeb n the Stupor Committee kills us all.
Pay attention hoss . . . ya worry me. Ah say ya WORRY me sohn.
;-)
Dude, we agree he’s toast.
We are now only quibblin about HRC bein the next in line, to lose to Jeb.
When are you gonna accept my posit . . . *G*
You can live or die, you can fight or quit . .
You can live or die for what ya believe.
Good luck.
Rockin’ Robin
Earl Butz also said that black people only wanted 3 things,loose shoes,tight pussy and a warm place to shit.However,he was righ about the Pope.
Obama should win re-election by default. Given Obama’a policies why would republicans even run a candidate that might win. Currently the wars are not on the chopping block, revenue increase is not on table, cuts to entitlements are on the way and republicans can give their base what they want (attacks on the socialist, big spender, Muslim). Expect Republicans to run a Bob Dole type (someone not likely to be elected by conservatives) probably Mitt Romney. As much as the right foul mouths Obama, he has accomplished everything conservatives have asked for.
Just Obama and Hoover sitting at a table.