It was bad enough that Standard and Poors screwed the world economy by recklessly giving AAA ratings to worthless mortgage backed securities without ever reviewing the underlying pool of loans. But now they’ve decided to play the role of “enforcer” in Wall Street’s latest gambit: forcing the sale of US assets in an austerity fire sale.
The downgrade of state bond ratings has already forced states to sell off their parks, zoos, airports and parking meters in order to meet their budgets. It increases their cost for borrowing money. And if they try to fund their pension funds, well that causes their credit ratings to be downgraded too. The $4 trillion austerity package that Standard and Poors is demanding out of Washington DC will only make matters worse.
Fortunately Wall Street, having determined that they need another business besides owning zombie banks, is sitting there with a huge cash position just waiting for prices to drop. They’ve decided owning the crumbling US infrastructure is a good idea. No doubt they’ll soon be back for the money to refurbish it.
The entire deficit ceiling brouhaha is most certainly a manufactured crisis, but it’s a crisis with a purpose. And Standard and Poors is playing a critical role as the enforcer for the fire sale that Wall Street wants.
The International Organization of Securities Commissions (IOSCO) has a code of conduct that governs ratings agencies (CRAs). Section 1.14 states:
The CRA and its employees should not, either implicitly or explicitly, give any assurance or guarantee of a particular rating prior to a rating assessment. This does not preclude a CRA from developing prospective assessments used in structured finance and similar transactions.
The ratings agencies are supposed to be reactive, not proactive. Their job is to be neutral observers who assess risk based on the reality they are presented with.
Although compliance with the IOSCO code is voluntary, the credit ratings agencies are encouraged to incorporate it. And indeed, Standard and Poors includes Section 1.14 almost word-for-word in its own code of conduct:
Ratings Services and its Analysts shall not, either implicitly or explicitly, give any assurance or guarantee of a particular rating prior to the determination of the rating by the applicable rating committee. This does not preclude Ratings Services from developing prospective assessments used in structured finance and similar transactions
But this is what Standard and Poors said when they placed the US AAA ratings on negative credit watch:
If Congress and the Administration reach an agreement of about $4 trillion, and if we to conclude that such an agreement would be enacted and maintained throughout the decade, we could, other things unchanged, affirm the ‘AAA’ long-term rating and A-1+ short-term ratings on the U.S.
Someone will have to explain to me how that does not constitute giving an “assurance or guarantee of a particular rating prior to the determination of the rating by the applicable rating committee.”
Having issued a negative outlook, Standard and Poors customarily resolves a credit watch report within 90 days. It is highly unlikely that Congress will pass the austerity package that has the $4 trillion price tag that Standard and Poors is demanding. As such, it leaves them almost no choice but to downgrade US debt.
Dave Dayen notes how utterly irrational this is:
But this is absolutely crazy. The market was up 2% last week. 10-year Treasuries are at 2.96%. There’s no difference between this week and last week in terms of the country’s deficit problem. This is about perception, and it doesn’t seem to even be about the perception of the actual market. It’s about the perception of someone at Standard and Poor’s. The rating agencies, which played a major role in the financial meltdown, has just up and put a gun to the head of the country and demanded austerity in the middle of a jobs crisis. Are you kidding me?
In slapping a price tag on their US debt rating of $4 trillion, Standard and Poor’s flagrantly violates both their own and the IOSCO’s code of conduct. They not only force states into a fire sale of public assets, they also force cuts to programs like Medicare and Social Security that Wall Street has been longing for.
A credit rating agency has no business doing this. Yet here is the ever-helpful Darryl Issa to back them up: “Until we stop spending more, we should be downgraded.”
So say goodbye to your zoos, your parking meters, your bridges and your schools. Your airports, your harbors and your highways. The American public has an enormous investment in these things. But just as certainly as James Duke’s tobacco trust forced farmers to sell tobacco for less than it cost to grow, just as Russia was forced to sell its airports to the oligarchs and Poland was forced to sell its factories, so our municipalities and states and the federal government itself will be “forced” by a manufactured crisis to sell our assets off to private equity firms who are licking their chops at the prospect of owning America outright.
If you’re not outraged you should be. What Debbie did to Dallas, Standard and Poors is doing to you.
Welcome to Shock Doctrine 2.0.





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I hate to come off as all crazy but something smacks of orchestration here.
More evidence of how the owning class has the whole game rigged.
S&P is just another tool of the Oligarchy. It is playing it’s scripted role in the impoverishment and enslavement of the working classes. There is gonna be a fight. And when it’s over there won’t be any S&P.
I see that we are all in agreement.
The “system” has been “gamed”, utterly.
(Let us see what the “concerned” Congress people that powwow’s last diary was about, think about this development … look it up, it’s worth the effort.)
DW
WOW!
Great Information! Jane
If Russia or China did this to the USA, we would NUKE them. What makes Wall Street any different?
Wall Street is doing a hostile takeover of the USA.
this is going to get very messy
Begging for criminal prosecution (and yes the Patriot Act applies).
Section 1361 protects “any property” of the United States or an agency or department thereof, or any property being manufactured or constructed for the United States or an agency or department thereof, from willful depredation or attempted depredation. “Depredation” has been characterized as the act of plundering, robbing, pillaging or laying waste. United States v. Jenkins, 554 F.2d 783, 786 (6th Cir. 1977)
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01666.htm
Section 1361 is a designated “Federal crime of terrorism” if the offense is “calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct . . . .” 18 U.S.C. § 2332b(g)(5)
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01667.htm
Something like ten percent of the US Post Offices are slotted for shuttering, says today’s news reporting.
The USPS happens to be among the world’s biggest revenue grabbers: (99th at last count).
And, also, the diary put up by selise, today, regarding Jamie Galbraith’s take on the rule of law, as its lack of enforcement, relates to systemic FRAUD.
DW
I should note that financial securities (such as T-bonds held by federal agencies and trust funds) are forms of intangible personal property.
The evidence was sufficient to show that Blount willfully injured government property. “Property” includes “anything of value, including real estate, tangible and intangible personal property, contract rights, choses-in-action and other interests in or claims to wealth….” Black’s Law Dictionary 635 (5th ed. abr. 1983) (citing Model Penal Code Sec. 223.0). The government’s claim to the harvest value of the trees in the Clearwater National Forest constituted a property interest. Thus, if an individual willfully does an act which is intended to cause a decrease in harvest value, intentional injury is done to government property.
Furthermore, section 1361 does not preclude liability for economic damage. See Magnolia Motor & Logging Co. v. United States, 264 F.2d 950, 953-54 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 361 U.S. 815 (1959) (suggesting that diminishing the economic value of government property, along with physically damaging the property, is an injury under Sec. 1361). Damage to economic value, if willfully done, is therefore punishable under the statute. Thus, Blount’s lack of intent to injure the trees is immaterial; intent to decrease the economic value of the trees is sufficient to constitute intent to injure government property.
http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/35/35.F3d.572.93-30327.html
Excellent analysis. Thanks!
or oligarchs or plutocrats or corporate media blowhards.
Great catch, beowolf (as are ALL of yours)!!!
Were there a functioning rule of law … a President and DoJ who cared.
DW
Just glad to see that some have read and can apply the pattern Naomi Klein lays out to our politics. The Condor has come home to roost. The
outlook is grim, the banksters have worked for decades to get us in this position, a manufactured disaster with a ready solution cooked up by the
“Chicago Boys”, pun at least implicit.
Not sure about anyone else but I thought this house of cards would have collapsed by now. Seems I am wrong, we have along way to go, and it is going to get more painful, and the rich will get even richer.
Does this not also shed light on the Obama administration’s abdication of its responsibility to hold the financial institutions to account for illegality, negligence and incompetence?
For so many of us, it was perplexing. It seems to becoming clear. It was a reciprocal arrangement. Banks and rating agencies get a pass, but only in return for future services – such as helping to create a new crisis that can be used to further neo-liberal/neo-conservative policy goals.
I watched a seminar Obama was giving to some university students where he said he was a “pretty liberal president, but you’d never know it reading the Huffington Post”. How he gets away with this liberal-pragmatist claptrap is a testament to the
abject failuresuccess of the corporate media to take care ofourtheir own economic interests.The Wisconsin pilot project is going national.
The Strassian waltzers are dancing on the graves (they believe) of democacy and the rule of law, merkwurdiglieber.
DW
I wish to fuck they were doing what Debbie did
S & P is acting more like one of those kidnap off the street, imprison, torture, and rape ‘em for years in their basement kinda guys
You are absolutely right. It is the textbook definition of terrorism.
I like to picture my S&P in a tuxedo t-shirt….
So, you bitch when S&P doesn’t do its job and give a red alert to the fact that CDOs were a house of cards, and now you’re bitching that S&P is doing its job by saying that unless we get the deficit under control we are in for a world of hurt.
Continuing to raise the debt ceiling without a reasonable plan to tame the deficit is the final straw & tipping point, the veritable canary in the coal mine.
Like it or not, we ALL – you, me, the states and the Federal givernment – need to live within our means. Now, I know that on this board that is seen as living within OTHER PEOPLE’s MEANS, but regardless, we can’t keep borrowing 40 cents for every dollar we spend.
It sure is. Now if only the people that we counted on to ENFORCE the law weren’t the ones BREAKING the law…
you have related tweetage :D – “a doozy” as Christy would say
post is from MMTer at U of Missouri – Bill Black’s School and Department – the Anti-Friedman’s
Ethical guidelines in Wall Street. I’d have better luck teaching my dog to play Mozart than get any of theses greedy bastards to behave ethically.
Matt Taiibi has covered this ground before in Rolling Stone. All the more awareness helps.
I love the clever way you use the word fuck Jane!
We can live within our means. End the wars and let the Obama tax cuts expire.
The new IMF chief is also pressing the US to put together a “fiscal plan” too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jul/26/imf-christine-lagarde-warns-europe-us
This reminds me of when the football guys pile on a tackled player and someone ends up having to go to the hospital.
It’s likely that a growing trend in the U.S. will be the kidnapping of the rich for ransom. The U.S. is morphing into a failed state, not unlike Mexico. Of course another growth industry will be private security companies.
I am soooo in the effin’ front row !
Max Keiser covers ‘Economic Terrorism’ repeatedly on The Keiser Report on rt.com.
Lots of things will cease to exist. Notably the Democratic and Republican Parties.
The unemployment rate for males in Harlem is 50%! How long can this go on before the country explodes?
I am genuinely curious if any states have similar statutes that a state Attorney General could file charges under seeing as Eric Holder has DOJ focused on spiked trees (see comment 8) instead of the spiked forest.
Right, and if those charged, by law, with dealing with clear and evident terrorism, do NOT, because THEY will benefit form such terrorism, then what term, found in the Constitution, really applies?
It begins with the letter “T”.
Not “t”orture, though it is, but another “t” word.
With a capital “T”, to be precise.
When will the proper word for what is being DONE to the republic and to the people ever find those citizens, those human beigns, with the courage to use it?
DW
There will be a need for more prisons to house all the white collar criminals from Wall St. and the political parties. When they see the wrath of the people who have to live in the dystopia they want to shove down peoples throats they’ll be grateful for a cot and 3 squares a day rather than the alternative.
Is this an organization that polices its members like medical associations do physicians for malpractice? Or do they have the real clout that could get Standard & Poors decertified from working in countries outside the US. We know that the US won’t punish them.
Economic terrorism isn’t terrorism (according most powers-that-be). It’s business as usual.
Moody’s has been acting as the good cop, but they have violated the same ethical standard by guaranteeing that it would not be as bad as Standard & Poors says.
Of course what do you expect from the market makers who want to communicate to the government without risking their investments in market uncertainty. You talk directly to the politicians and the you have your consigliere publicly talk to them.
Good catch finding IOSCO ethical standards.
Dayum – these thugs are good! Synchronized, frog-in-pot for years (quietly dying) following by lightning speed in the clean-up round. Seriously, I am impressed in a dismal way. The global elites whumped us solid. And we thought we were organizing and winning – ouch.
Hey, yet another reason to decriminalize marijuana.
I’m struck by this sometimes as well. They’ve covered EVERY base, in every market, in every issue. Civil rights issues, voters’ rights issues, consumer protections, wages, SS, Medicare and Medicaid, housing, etc etc etc.
They’re hammering every aspect of our lives at the same time.
jane hamsher wrote:
“…itwas bad enough that Standard and Poors screwed the world economy by recklessly giving AAA ratings to worthless mortgage backed securities without ever reviewing the underlying pool of loans. But now they’ve decided to play the role of “enforcer” in Wall Street’s latest gambit: forcing the sale of US assets in an austerity fire sale.
The downgrade of state bond ratings has already forced states to sell off their parks, zoos, airports and parking meters in order to meet their budgets. It increases their cost for borrowing money. And if they try to fund their pension funds, well that causes their credit ratings to be downgraded too. ..”
i’m glad to see these two sets of facts placed side-by-side.
may i suggest, in my unlawyerly ignorance, that standard & poor might be a good target for the application of that peculiar small section of the 14th amendment that forebids, sort-of, badmouthing u.s, govt debt?
it is also the case that the bond rating agencies work for money.
it seems reasonable to ask who might be “incentivizing” (horrible word) s&p to talk openly about downgrades prior to the fact:
u.s. govt officials, public or private corporation officials, very wealthy individuals…?
I have been thinking that this mess is evolving into a standoff that will determine who is in charge of the country. Don’t bet the wages on the Federal or state governments. The coup may be just around the corner.
Of the many stupid comments you’ve made here, that one may take the cake.
(Aside from the fact that it is 100% false.)
good start but it doesnt even get you half way to a balanced budget.
Soylent Green.
Torture/ Murder /Treason anyone ?
Like the Three Musketeers, all for one and one for all, in a Satanic kinda way.
And don’t feed the troll, please. It likes to hijack threads.
Wow, Jane. And I only just finished copying out
Without the rule of law
the financial sector is no use to anyone
except those who own it
and the politicians they own – James K. Galbraith
I’m not sure I can keep up with this learning curve – so now they are going to own everything else as well?
I don’t mind (/s) them owning politicians, but gee, this land is our land. Gotta get my old guitar out of mothballs. It would seem the housing collapse was only the beginning. Gobble up those peas; the financiers are coming.
Oh dear, domestic tranquillity where hast thou gone? They don’t have all those think tanks for nothing.
Law is only applied to the ‘little people’. These TBTF MOFTU types can flaunt the law with impunity.
I would like it if you could stop by my house. I would let you look around. If you see anything that belongs to you you could take it with you. And you could accuse me of living within other peoples means to my face.
It is kinda not so bright.
…so, Standard and Poor’s is a lone wolf™ ?
The job of a credit rating agency is to assess if an entity can pay it’s bills. That’s it. There is no way anyone, even the most fanatic deficit hawk, could reasonably conclude that the US cannot pay its debts. It could raise the debt ceiling, or raise taxes, or just let the bush tax cuts expire. Wall street does not take the threat seriously or else the market would be careening. They are not. It’s like saying Microsoft is insolvent because they can’t find the checkbook.
old slow is right, this particular piece of hysteria is one of your most notable.
So I’ve noticed.
Total Shock Doctrine.
When the “leaders” of a nation make use of TSD, then they have no honest “mandate’ to govern … in fact THEY, the “leaders” become the gravest threat to civil society AND democratic government itself.
So, I will risk the wrath of all present and state:Those who would use what is understood to be Total Shock Doctrine, to impose their selfish will upon a nation … engage in the ACT of TREASON!
In honest society, there is not other word.
In a “polite” (and fearful) gulug-society such truth is shied away from.
Each society, or community, decides, by the actions of those who comprise it, the “nature” of its beinghood.
An honest society demands truth.
A polite society demands only partial truth.
An honest society may, also, be polite, and it should be, but a simply “polite” society is afraid, honestly, and perhaps with very good reason, to enbrace the whole of truth …
DW
Outstanding analysis Mz, Hamsher . . . it starts with S&P, yes.
Well, maybe it just continues and furthers with them . . . they ARE essential in FORCING the political parties to do what they are doing to us.
N of course, the Super Committee will help it all along nicely, seamlessly and effortly as we the people choke, gag and expire before our time is due . . .
Outstanding read and insight thanks for sharing, looking forward to MORE of the details obscured by the kabuki from you and FDL.
Hellofa job so far Hamsher, Dayen, Walker et al behind the scenes!
No, Jane. What Wall Street is saying is that they believe that a deal will get done. They can also turn on a dime as we get closer to the magic date and a deal is not done. They live on program trades and being the first ones out, unlike the retail customers/investors who will be left holding the bag if a deal fails to gel.
So they have little to worry about.
And if the debt ceiling is not raised, we can’t pay our bills. That’s the whole point of their negative watch.
What S&P has said is that long-term if we continue to outspend, we will face a devalued currency and rising interest rates, plus more draconian austerity measures. These impacts are ALL worse than trimming the budget now.
Sadly, the law matters not . . it’s become meaningless.
Outside of enforcing it on we the people and foreign countries.
Leo Strauss is beaming the smile of the crocodile as it chomps on the prey.
Aw, c’mon, everybody- those ratings are just “opinions”! Free speech!
Those who refuse to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. After the CDO debacle of 2008, anyone who listens to S&P, Moody’s or Fitch deserves what they get.
Privatization of Public assets. The Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute have been working on doing just this for DECADES now.
Some may find the following links useful regarding credit rating agencies:
Credit Rating Agencies Reform Act of 2006
Senate Subcommittee Holds Third Hearing on Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: The Role of Credit Rating Agencies
And the really good one on C-span:
Sen. Homeland Security Hearing on Credit Rating Agencies – C-span
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Yep, the Super Committee pretty much ensures the end to elected representation . . . 12 Ceasar’s indeed.
“. . .The entire deficit ceiling brouhaha is most certainly a manufactured crisis, but it’s a crisis with a purpose. . .”
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Well, maybe so. Now we are going to see the moving goalposts on the calendar:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-25/u-s-can-avoid-default-at-least-until-september-silvia-says.html
As Jane has been warning, the Democratic (and Republican) Congressional leadership in Washington is now carefully preparing the ground for Catfood Commission, Round Two, and clearly, with the details now out, this time they mean it.
The Barack Obama/Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi/Mitch McConnell version (“the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction”) is pending in the Senate now, and that’s where Social Security and other earned-benefit programs, plus tax expenditure and other tax reform, will be “on the table,” and will go under the knife, rather than in the now-pending $2.7 trillion of proposed downpayment cuts accompanying the Catfood Commission II proposal and the debt ceiling increase.
While substantively-meaningless “short-term” or “long-term” debt ceiling extensions are being publicly haggled over, as the convenient distraction that they are – and S&P engages in political demagoguery to help ramrod its favored backroom deal through the “Legislative” Branch – the Catfood Two mechanism for transacting the real business at hand is intended to quietly slip into law, with its grossly-undemocratic provisions for absolutely no amendments to the 12-member Joint Select Committee’s product from any other elected federal legislator in the House or Senate.
Yep. Since Reagan in CA, then nationally.
LeSigh.
The coup is embedded in the deficit reduction plan offered by R;s and Dims both, and fully endorsed by Obama-Super Committee.
That’s the coup . . .
Now THAT’s funny.
Not really. What Debbie and Dallas did was mutually consensual.
Standard and Poors in this instance best resembles Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy.
Sorry, cbl…didn’t see your post at 20.
WE HAVE A WINNER!
Thank you.
That’s it in a nutshell . . .
N I learnt all this from FDL . . .
;-)
Goodness Gracious, Great Bags o’ Fire!
I love the way use use them leftist terms, like:
“tax expenditure” – implying that whenever the government lowers taxes, it is “spending” its own money. The opposite is true. Taxes are “spent” by individuals and corporations (actually all by individuals, but let’s not open up THAT can of worms).
TPM has this from Nancy Pelosi:
“This isn’t just about them saying we should reduce the deficit,” she said, adding: “This is an excuse. The budget deficit is an excuse for the Republicans to undermine government plain and simple. They don’t just want to make cuts, they want to destroy. They want to destroy food safety, clean air, clean water, the department of education. They want to destroy your rights.”
That’s great, but she failed to mention that little matter of the Central Committee and Catfood II.
And, almost certainly ends the possibility of a meaningful “third” political party which the people might seek to establish, Larue.
It is a deliberate end-run around democracy and democratic rule on many levels.
DW
Yeah funny how that didn’t get included.
Hilarious, in fact, Jane.
One wonders who the Donkey-laugh is on?/ssssssssss
DW
That’s the “half” we’re not supposed to know about …
DW
So, basically, on advice from S & P, a shill for the banking industry, Congress has parked America in the bad part of town (Wall Street) where banking industry thieves can strip it clean. A shining example of stewardship.
I say we hide in the back seat and beat the crap out of them when they show up. It will be the last thing they expect.
Thanks for daring to use the “t” words, tbs (and the “m” word, as well).
DW
If the DOJ is the body charged with acting upon the charge of treason, we are SOL. It conspicuously looked away when Valerie Plame was outed during a time of war. It’s pretty interested in Bradley Manning though.
Powwow:
I truly appreciate your well thought out diaries at MyFDL. Thanks.
Absolutely, DW . . . hadn’t thot to include end of 3rd party aspirants.
Well caught . . . *G*
This is indeed outrageous. But you get what you pay for. The debt ceiling legislation was foolish. It is like telling everyone, “come get your money now bc once we hit the limit, we won’t pay anymore.” Indeed that is what the debt ceiling does. Until now everyone could sort of wink at it, but the politics in the country has changed, perhaps forever.
It is a foolish imposition on our sovereignty, just like the balance budget amendment also promises to be. We have placed ourselves in the same position as Greece, since we no longer control our currency, at the most crucial time – - to pay our bills. It is, how can I say it, idiotic, but we did it to ourselves and, if not for S&P, then someone else. S&P might just be trying to deliver the message from the wealthy as someone said. It says someone else is really running the government. We just think we do.
If there were not a debt limit, the CRA would be laughable to say they would downgrade the US debt. The US can pay any debt with no restrictions at any time, except in the face of the debt limit. And, hang on, once they pass the balanced budget amendment, we face the same thing, a self imposed restriction on the ability to fund government when it is most necessary. But, hey, most people think these things are good. After all families have budgets and limits on what they can do? The CRA tell them what to do as well. What a world to live in.
Late to the post but I figured Jane would appreciate this…
Amazing political donations tied to McGraw-Hill, S&P’s parent co.
Both sides bought.
Andrew Jackson (perhaps apocryphally) said the trouble with corporations is that they don’t have a soul to damn or a body to kick. But that’s not 100% accurate.
Piercing the corporate veil describes a legal decision to treat the rights or duties of a corporation as the rights or liabilities of its shareholders or directors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil
S&P is owned by McGraw-Hill. A friendly letter from a prosecutor to individual board members may induce a certain amount of soul searching among some bodies.
http://investor.mcgraw-hill.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=96562&p=irol-govboard
The US has always been somewhere between an oligarchy and a plutocracy. When those in charge of the system ran it off the rails from the late 1800s to the first few decades of the 1900s, there followed a slight readjustment that lasted for a couple of generations from the mid-’30s to the mid-’70s. Some, mainly white, working and middle class folks were so happy with this adjustment that the 1950s came to be the new Eden in the origin myth and The Greatest Generation the new Founding Fathers. Over the past thirty years, the ruling class has been working to return to the pre-war power imbalance. And the priests like Milton Friedman and his ilk yell at the middle and lower classes, “You fucks never had it so good!”
The takeover has been a long time in the works from big things like the destruction of unions and public transportation to the mundane like the destruction of public phones and drinking fountains (if corporations can get folks to pay $8 a gallon for bottled tap water . . .?).
We’ll see if this is the point where the frogs jump from the boiling water.
Thank you, speakingupnow. I appreciate that encouraging feedback.
For anyone who’s interested, the House Rules Committee hearing, that will determine the floor parameters (number of hours to which debate will be restricted, number/content of allowed floor amendments, if any, and so on) for the consideration by the House of Speaker Boehner’s “Budget Control Act of 2011,” containing Catfood II, began at 3:00 p.m. Eastern, and can be viewed on-line here (see “Rules Committee Hearing on H.R. 2587 and S. 627″). The second bill the Committee will be considering – S. 627 – is the Boehner debt-limit deal.
Though the outcome is almost always a foregone conclusion in the Speaker-stacked House Rules Committee, sometimes better (more genuine and informative) debate about the measure at hand takes place there than on the House floor. The hearing should at least give us a sense of where various House committee chairs are coming down on the profoundly-undemocratic Boehner/Cantor plan.
I remember when I asked Byron Georgiou at a Book Salon this question about the rating agencies. http://fdlbooksalon.com/2011/02/01/fdl-special-book-salon-welcomes-byron-georgiou-the-financial-crisis-inquiry-report-final-report-of-the-national-commission-on-the-causes-of-the-financial-and-economic-crisis-in-the-united-states/
Looking at the several conclusion this reports makes it would seem that the entire collapse was entirely caused by extreme avarice and deception and yet no real prosecutions or real reforms. And again here we are creating another bubble, “corporate profits are up” according to the president, and the back of the recession is broken.
My question to the commissioner is how much of a role do you think did rating agencies such as Moody’s and Morningstar play in propagandizing these faulty securities and what is really stopping them from doing it again, in particular when those same agencies have vested interest in the marketplace as well?
His response to me was:
“Sunlight is the best disinfectant and the report addressed their role in detail. Of course, additional remedial steps could be taken to address the conflicts inherent in the issuer pay model where the underwriters pay for the rating with the credit rating agencies bearing no financial responsibility in the event the securities they’ve rated AAA fail to perform as represented. The rating agencies did play a role in rating as AAA many securities that have since been downgraded to junk status. The rating as super senior of CDOs that were composed of the riskiest tranches of underlying mortgage-backed securities has always looked like alchemy, an attempt to convert lead to gold, which failed miserably and contributed greatly to the crisis.”
Note he doesn’t use the word Fraud.
We are going to be ‘downgraded’ no matter what.
It is a tool of financial terror.
They used it against Iceland, even telling them they wouldn’t be able to buy food … but Iceland said NO to the banksters. They have had a tough time of it, but they are slowly recovering.
There is no easy painless way out of this mess.
That is the LIE that both political sides are promoting in one form or another.
But a lot of us know this is a lie and expect things to get worse, a whole lot worse, before they get better. Even if we would like to believe the lie that we can get out of our situation with some form of financial voodoo, we know that’s not going to happen. So we can’t take either side very seriously.
Ratings agencies and the IMF are financial terrorists. We’ve already been warned about them in the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
The fix is in then and they are using it for pressure.
Timothy Gietner as Secretary of the Treasury has authority over the IMF and put the nix on the hair cuts for the Irish “bail out” funds.
The US has 3 times the quota of voting shares of any other member country.
We know they twist arms, The interfered with the Judiciary on torture/kidnapping and rendition investigations in Spain, Germany and to protect the only quasi-democracy in the Middle East for crimes against the Palestinians.
After the CDS fiasco I’m sure the Administration is hanging prosecution for that over the Raging agencies heads.
The company is owned by McGraw-Hill…nevermind, I see Klynn already commented on this.
Fascism. Arrest them all.
Once upon a time McGraw-Hill published college textbooks.
For the past few years, S&P has accounted for about 75% of their annual profit.
Once upon a time S&P did actual ratings of things financial. I remember them from working in the life insurance industry in the 1960s.
The Levin report that came out a few months ago excoriates S&P and Moody’s. How do they have any credibility left?
Aw, c’mon, everybody- those ratings are just “opinions”! Free speech!
No one has a 1st Amendment right to falsely yell FIRE in a crowded theater or to question the validity of, of… I forget what, oh yes:
“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned…”
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Exactly. These financial predators limit national sovereignty, and thus our political freedom.
Your not crazy…..its ‘all part of the plan’…..
JoKeR
I am wondering at what point actual physical resistance will be necessary, as mentioned here and here. Will we resist the privateers when they buy in distress our very land from under us, or will we go quietly to the work farms and then to…? They take it step by step, two-three forward, one back, let us acclimate, then push again. The grand push is here, I suspect.
I think we really need to work on strengthen the Dem numbers in the Senate and House, but no Blue dog/CONservadem support, and get rid of Obama. Let the Reprobates take the blame in 2013-16 while we work to take back the Democratic Party to core liberal and progressive values. I am not sure this country can be saved, but another four years of this, with BO at the helm is certainly not going to do it.
Because ‘Bammie’s DOJ is too busy prosecuting whistleblowers and anti-war activists. No time for the real criminals. That would be hard.
What happens if the U.S. gov’t simply ignores S&P or any other rating agencies and continues offering it’s paper at the same rates it always has. Would anyone think less of it or buy less of it?
I doubt it. But it is the treat–it is always the threat–that those with power and money are banking on. S&P: “Don’t call my bluff!”