I’ve never gotten the impression that Manning was well-connected with Washington’s movers and shakers, so this seems a little odd to me.

Yes, as we can see, Wired’s editorial decisions for holding back portions of the logs are already dubious. The issue of Manning’s possible connections is very pertinent to the story. Given Manning’s connections, I found this actually humorous:

(03:57:29 PM) info@adrianlamo.com: I have more cred with the press :x

(03:57:37 PM) bradass87: indeed…

Friend of mine (this was in the 1980s, so times have certainly changed) who tended bar at one of the big Dupont bars used to say on weeknights when the Brooks Bros suits and ties arrived, “Happy hour’s over, it’s closet hour, everybody pays full price!”

“Happy hour’s over, it’s closet hour, everybody pays full price!”

LMAO! I love it! I’d be tempted to charge double during closet hour though.

Great summary!

It’s important to note that the authenticity of the Manning – Lamo chat logs has never been independently verified. Bradley Manning has pleaded NOT Guilty.

For accuracy, they should be referred to as the Purported or Alleged chat logs. Accepting them as true harms Bradley Manning’s case.

Can we really trust Adrian Lamo?

neither did I. Jane if this is true than we need to run a campaign that demands wired disclose names. who is wired to decide what name to reduct? Enough BS. Who in govt was feeding manning?

Certain individuals are protected even if they aided and abetted a known guilty America Hating Terrist Sympathizer. Sort of like Rove’s and Dubya’s relationship with Gannon Guckert. And Vitter and Cheney’s relationship with the DC Madame (She suicided in her backyard tool shed).

OTOH, Elliot Spitzer, who began to call attention to the fraud the banks had committed and as he called for States Rights to Prosecute on behalf of the victims, got busted for same as Cheney.

More selective enforcement. They knew all the right people, took all the right pills.

He was.

Hmmm. I wonder if not wanting those names to come out has something to do with how Manning has been denied a chance to speak to anyone (even the UN torture inspector) without someone from the military present.

One more thing why is wired releasing this now. It obviously makes us want to push and find out who these people are? Has someone decided to throw them under a bus? If so, why?

I think Glenzilla will get into it tomorrow. He’s quite perturbed about the fact that the excuses Wired gave him as to why they didn’t publish the full chat logs were (ahem) somewhat less than true.

He was? So why did you not mention it

I haven’t finished reading all the logs yet, but very interested in the Lamo side which has been missing.

Manning is first asked to look up stuff by Manning and especially on one person that Lamo asks him if he knows of. Lamo, IMO is encouraging Manning to delve into areas that he is not normally looking at.

Also, Manning gives an inside look at his family life and answers our questions as to why his family, in particular his father does not support him. The man is CRAZY! Who goes after their own child with a loaded shotgun?

I have no idea if that’s true, but it did occur to me too. I’ve heard about this for a while and have been trying to chase down the names, but with no success so far. I did not know he spoke about it in the chat logs.

Yes, not to go off topic or anything but I’ve been wishing the real Spitzer story would come out soon.

The entire history of the human race is one of the PTB corrupting and controlling the masses. Nothing has changed. Same old BS just a different day and year.

PS; Oliar stormed out of debt talks………all just theater and lies.

She just did! In fact, it is the title of her post.

will not happen. Spitzer knew the truth could have blown the whole thing open, but choose to live. He knew he had been handed over and aside from risking his life and exposing them all, he decided t eat his medicine and move on

Because we had to have some sort of confirmation in order to mention it. This qualifies as confirmation.

she does but I read it as she knew this for a while. Am I wrong?

Oh sure it will. Everyone is wise to what went on now. The only thing missing as in this Manning situation is the names.

She had to have facts or something pointing at the ghost in the room. That is what a real journalist does.

Okay, get it. thanks for responding

“(03:53:52 PM) bradass87: not to mention HRC” <<<<<

HRC = Hillary Rodham Clinton?

without names, well talk is cheap. Then again it would be sweet if true and then again would doj do anything?
Thanks Jane

Would doj do anything?

Nope! They can’t even do something about the little stuff. They certainly aren’t going to make right the big mess on the floor.

Sadly I agree, justice is only for the those that can’t $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ donate to the cause of milton freidmans Amerika.

DOJ you mean the dept of jokes………..

i want to know why wired has first held this info back, now reveals it with names redacted knowing it will cause a storm. Who are they working for? Who is the man behind the curtain. Tread carefully jane the names will come out, but why? who benefits?

One more thing. the fact that manning has been on lockdown for months says it all. We can huff and puff but at the the end of the day TPB use our tax dollars to arrest and imprison who they want. Our only recourse is to work within the law that they created and change to suit their purposes

been like this for thousands of years. Nothing new under the sun. Our blood, sweat and tears, give them all the power

It’s not cool that Manning named some names. The chats weren’t pillow talk. Was he maybe placing hole cards (like the ‘list’ he gave his bf) to ensure his safety?

Human Rights Campaign.

Astonishing that Wired didn’t publish these parts of the chat logs. Their reasons are not very credible.

Holy crap. I had no idea that Manning had sources in the WH. Makes sense, though, if he was the source of so many of those documents. Wonder what the consequences of this will be.

Always thought it was odd how politically sophisticated Manning was for his age, even given how smart he is. His knowledge went far beyond the military. State dept data? How did he know what to look for? I know the Feds always wanted to prove Assange drew the arrows for him, but well-connected DC insiders are a much more likely people to have a comprehensive knowledge of that information.

Just as Richard Nixon was bound and determined to keep the Pentagon Papers secret, despite their casting his predecessor LBJ and the Democratic Party’s role in the Vietnam War in a bad light, it’s always struck me as odd that Team Obama has worked so hard to keep the Bush mistakes and cables from Our Wars Abroad secret.

Unless Team Obama is really two teams, one wanting things kept secret and another wanting things from the preceding team exposed, by using a convenient dupe named Bradley Manning?

(reply to Jane Hamsher @ 34)

Yes, and while it’s possible for someone in a junior role to have access to some of that sort of data, an Army PFC with access to all those different sorts of information just sounded implausible to me. I figured that he was a sort of default assumption as to who was responsible for the leaks, and not a particularly good one for most of them.

His having accomplices in the White House and/or other high-level government offices makes it a lot more plausible.

I tried to edit this comment to say that it was in reply to Jane Hamsher @ 34, but that edit does not appear in reloaded page.

Or Human Rights Campaign, a prominent DC-based gay activist group?

Never thought about that. Interesting idea.

My thinking was more along the lines that he was friendly with people who had high security clearances, with detailed knowledge of various networks that many people in his position would not otherwise know much about. I thought it speaks more to the casual nature with which such individuals treat information when it’s senselessly overclassified. If you think someone’s crimes are so serious that you are going to charge him with “aiding the enemy,” then surely the inquiry should extend to anyone who gave him information, whether they knew what he would do with it or not.

Thanks Jane, for the analysis. Summary of most important from these purported chat logs:

- No connection between Assange and Manning. The new chats hurt the government case against Assange.

- Lamo is a liar. If he is the government’s chief witness, they have problems.

Manning is a thoughtful and smart guy if these purported chat logs are what they claim.

Finally, not relevant to Manning or Assange — WIRED lied about why they withheld at least part of these chats. Yes, there was personal, irrelevant stuff – but those were never at issue — the Assange, Lamo, national security material is what they should have released and their excuses do not fit what the purported chat logs show.

Kevin Zeese