Steve Israel, Chair of the DCCC:
Contribute $3 or more right now to our Emergency Rapid Response Fund to help us send a $100,000 message to Speaker Boehner: We will defeat Republicans who try to slash Social Security and Medicare while protecting tax breaks for multi-millionaires….Republicans’ loyalty to Big Oil, Grover Norquist, and the Tea Party fringe has pushed Speaker Boehner to risk economic disaster rather than budge on ending taxpayer giveaways for Big Oil and tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires.
Barack Obama:
Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age As Part Of Grand Debt Deal
According to five separate sources with knowledge of negotiations — including both Republicans and Democrats — the president offered an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare, from 65 to 67, in exchange for Republican movement on increasing tax revenues.
and
Hill Democrats Irked Over Obama’s Social Security Overture
The Democrats’ testiness followed reports that the White House was proposing to alter Social Security and Medicare as part of a potential debt-ceiling deal with Republicans….The White House appears to be gambling that Democrats, even if they gripe, will ultimately rally around the deal the president cuts, as they did last year on a tax package and this year on a continuing resolution funding the government through October.
Dave Dayen:
Chained CPI Not Only a Benefit Cut, But a Regressive Tax Increase
Now, you’ll hear a lot of people saying that this is just a technical fix, a more accurate measure of inflation. But we have a lot of options to deal with the budget deficit. This particular one cuts Social Security and other benefit programs while raising taxes disproportionately on the working poor. Forget everything else about CPI and inflation indexes. That’s what this would do. And while Social Security advocates understand that, only a few conservatives have been willing to talk about this stealth tax increase, Grover Norquist among them.
Steve Israel wants your money because he says the GOP wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, but it was Barack Obama who put Social Security and Medicare cuts on the table, and now he’s lecturing progressives about how they should support him in it:
Medicare in particular will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program… If you’re a progressive who cares about the integrity of Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid, then we have an obligation to make sure we make those changes required to make it sustainable on those terms.
Maybe a good time to address rising health care costs and make the programs sustainable would have been — oh, I don’t know, during the passage of the health care bill, which you’ve been running around for the past year claiming to have “bent the cost curve”:
- Projected annual cost of health care in 2019, if the ACA had not passed: $4,670.6 billion (20.8% of GDP)
- Projected annual cost of health care in 2019, after ACA: $4,693.5 billion (20.9% of GDP)
Source: Estimated Financial Effects of the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2009,” as Proposed by the Senate Majority Leader on November 18, 2009, CMS (PDF)
So because Obama and the Democrats did NOT lower health care costs when they passed the ACA, and then they went and punched a hole in the deficit by extending the Bush tax cuts, now we’ve got to slash social safety net programs if we “care” about them.
The White House is betting the Democrats will suck it up and vote for whatever Obama wants them to, and they’re probably right about that. The Democrats apparently think that if they just don’t use the words “benefit cut,” nobody will notice. Americans overwhelmingly do not want Social Security or Medicare cuts period, and certainly not as part of some deficit-reduction scheme, and the only hope they probably have is that Grover Norquist is calling a reduction in benefits a tax hike, and the Republicans in Congress will be afraid to vote for it.
I can’t recall a moment in my lifetime when government was so extremely out of step with the will of the American people. But it seems like the only fight to be had these days is to see who can screw the middle class the hardest.



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Its insulting when 2 people try and run a con on me and they don’t bother to get their stories straight. Its insulting to THEM!
Please explain the difference between the Republicans and Obama? Both want to gut the social contracts.
Thanks Jane for pulling some of this together. Obama is what he is and now on record.
I have a somewhat more optimistic take as to Congress. I really think the ad that the DCCC is running is a sign of some life among the working Democrats in the House. It was really a slap at Obama. If they are sincere and can get a good response from the constituents it could empower our side.
I know big “if” — sigh
%$#@%@!!!!! I just can’t stand them.
I am going to make it so painful for the CO Dems/OFA machine this next cycle.
This statement is misleading
All government programs are funded by the government not just Medicare in particular things like war spending for example could also be cut but you President Obama have chosen to cut Medicare and SS instead of military spending.
This statement contradicts itself.
If changes are made then you can’t logically sustain something on the same terms.
Good Cop Bad Cop.
Wow just wow is about all I can say.
Sen. Bernie Sanders seems to be the only sane person in the Senate. Dems are just Republican lite.
From what you’re saying, I’m getting the idea that you’re thinking about both the creation of a third party apparatus and a primary challenge. I’m with you on both. If you really wanted to create a viable third party, the fastest way would be 300 rich Hollywood progressives, real progressives, not Obama is being a super genius by cutting social security and raising the medicare eligibility age, who can give a million each. I would spend 35 milllion a year shooting for 5 senators and 25 house members that can work effectively as a block. Not the prog caucus as we’ve seen, but more like the pro life caucus that used the health care bill to weaken choice…
I do know where you could start..
http://www.indiegogo.com/The-Lets-Create-Viable-Third-Party-Runs-Campaign-1
Steve Israel is very careful i his wording, which is consistent with the President’s: Democrat don’t want to “slash” the programs, just give them a Sweeney Todd-style haircut.
I’d say something snarky about lesser evil voting and the value of a pragmatic attitude which leads the left to throw its lot in with the Democratic Party. But there is no need to do that now. Obama has shown himself to be such a tool that only those who refuse to see something so plain and obvious as him would continue to support the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party, thanks to Obama, can no longer pretend to be the party of the rest of us. It today is capital’s naked iron fist.
LOL, this brought a smile on an otherwise bleak day.
Thank you!!!
And GOOD for you!!!
And the cool thing is, it’ll probably be FUN!!! LOL
But don’t you remember? Obama said he was going to tell us not what we want to hear, but what we need to hear — and he, of course, the great Democrat and democrat, would be the decider as to what we need to hear.
That kind of arrogance always sends chills up my spine, and it did then. Turns out those chills were a lot more accurate than any “hope” he inspired. I hope TalkingStick is right: it will restore some hope to see Democrats start to stand up publicly to Obama.
African Americans in the Chicago area are not happy with Obama. Look at the low voter turnout among African Americans and Hispanics in Chicago that got Rahm elected Mayor. Look at the lower voter turnout that cost the Dems Ted Kennedy’s seat.
Wisconsin shows the way to get higher voter turnout anyone who can get a crowd to march everyday in a Wisconsin Winter has very Motivated supporters.
Obama is choosing to ignore us and Wisconsin but we have already showed that we will ignore him.
Quibblet:
Jane, your bullet points need ‘tr’ in place of ‘b’
Also too, is it time to update Everett Dirksen yet?
I hope Jane doesn’t mind me sullying her wonderful post with an addition, one in which she may disagree with, but one which I feel strongly about and had to say out loud.
IMO it’s NOT just Obama. The Democrats in Washington have at their disposal lots of power to turn loose on a Party President that has gone rogue.
Yet, they’ve CHOSEN not to use such power. To me, that is evidence that they aren’t being led down a path of Obama’s choosing against their will, it’s proof they’re perfectly fine with the path their being led down.
Anyway, wanted to add that, and like I said, I don’t know if Jane would agree or not with that, just hope she doesn’t mind me putting it out there.
Shorter Zero
If this all weren’t so horrible it would be hilarious. The level of hypocrisy in the American governing class knows no bounds.
Wow! Wouldn’t that be something if we could “steal” some big donors from the Dimocrats.
Right there’s the money quote too.
How true, yet said in a way everyone can understand. Perfect!
FDL readers and those of other progressive blogs know what the facts are: Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit or the debt. As Robert Reich explained, the $107,000 ceiling for SS deductions was based on the idea of capturing 90% of income, or about $180,000 in today’s dollars. Simple fix.
Medicare for all would lead to future budget surpluses and help pay off the debt. Another simple fix.
Explained this way, these fixes would have broad support among the American people. The debt ceiling theatre is for the purpose of enriching some while impoverishing others.
They will never say a benefit “cut” but will say it “saves and strengthens” the programs. Orwell would be proud. The question I have is if the Republicans and Obama crash the economy there is little doubt the fat cats and aristocrats will be able to weather the storm. The working and middle class and the poor will be decimated by an economic collapse. The potential for civil unrest is then inevitable. People will not stand by this time and watch their elderly parents thrown into the streets, watch their children go hungry, see their homes lost to the banks, see students drop out of school to mow lawns for a few bucks. The question is what does the progressive community do should civil unrest break out around the country. I don’t think the people will be in the mood to sign petitions and write letters.
In retrospect, it seems to make common sense that they kept their negotiations secret since they intended to raise the eligibility age by two years to 67. Knowing that back when Baucus let slip that Medicare was on the block in the debt ceiling talks a week ago, we could have attacked that idea then. But by keeping it secret they kept it from those who will be harmed by it and prevented the public from reacting to it.
What we as progressives realy need to do is take some pages out of the Tea Party playbook and go after Blue Dogs and Faux Progressives… we gave you money last time and you broke your promises? Screw you this time, we’ll run someone even more progressive against you this time…
Same goes for local races… time to take the party over
Yes, didn’t Gene Sperling say a curbing benefits isn’t slashing them or something?
Wrote this on Dean’s post earlier:
So, I guess “Change We can Believe In”
Is really “Change W.E. can believe in.”
W.E. = wealthy elites…
Dear Steve, I found Sarah Palin’s stool in the woods and I was going to write an exclusive expose on it. Instead why don’t you munch on it. That is all.
And where are those peddlers of crap that told us the HIPPA (Health Insurance Profit Protection Act) would be a starter home, improved upon over time???
Every change since then has made health care WORSE, including this one that raises the age of eligibility of Medicare.
Yeah, it was a starter home all right. It got the road started to end Medicare as we know it, as Paul Ryan’s plan’s for Medicare was basically Obamacare for seniors.
Starter home my ass. One. Big. Pile. Of. Shit. in truth.
Obama’a ACA did bend the Government’s cost curve.
It did so by shifting cost to the elderly.
Definitions:
bending the cost curve = shaft the consumer, not
bending the cost curve = benefiting the consumer.
Let’s examine why ACA enshrined the insurance companies in our medical “system”. The medical sector consumes between 16% and 20% 9f the US’ GDP. If that were cut back to 10% of GDP, the saving would result in 10% of the employes being laid off.
A possible 10% increase in unemployment. Such an action would case many of the incumbents to lose their incumbency.
That is, the health care sector’s employment is protected (as very as it executives), as a welfare program.
I would argue that the lay-offs are worthwhile, when coupled with large retraining programs, and infrastructure investment.
I personally see no value it the “medical billing profession” either in medical providers not in “insurance claims”.
In addition to addressing these costs, the concept of cutting providers fees would have to address this issue of doctors being taught to be greedy assholes because they accumulate $250,000 in education costs to become doctors.
Shorter Steve Israel: “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”
I respect you as the most astute observer and am prepared to again be betrayed by this bunch but I just keep thinking/hoping they can’t everyone be so corrupt, or stupid. To follow Obama’s agenda over the cliff would be fulfilling a group suicide pact.
Infuriating and the low/no information Obamabots will give the money…to forestall “the mean republicans”
our government is filled with Gypsies, tramps and thieves….( attributed to Cher)
The DCCC has been venturing into evil doublespeak territory for as long as Barack Obama’s rapid rise to presidential candidate and POTUS.
Do they think that the base of the Democratic Party is as delusional as is the base of the Republican Party?
Democrats are the new center-right. The base should start clamouring for real leaders to replace these weasels.
Watching bizkids right now with my 7-yr-old…
It is all about scams. It reflects a great deal of the concepts in this post.
aka: The decline, fall and dissolution of the United States, the last of the 19th Century Empires.
It’s time to end the tyranny and oppression of a corrupt two party system. Draft Bernie Sanders.
Their Orwellian corruption of the language in which “strengthen Social Security means cutting Social Security”…… just enough not to have to raise revenues one more time to keep promised benefit levels at their promised amounts. Who is served by this nonsense other than rich people who do not want to pay their fair share of what it costs to run our government?? This chained-COLA is a definite reduction in benefits amounts over time affecting recipients more as they age. They deny that they are “slashing benefits” for a whole year of spin time, then cut benefits for present and future retirees by monkey wrenching the consumer price index attached to Social Security COLA. Nice. This is definitely what Obama wants because he offered it up without any Republican offer of increases in revenue, and Obama has not rushed out to take SS and Medicare off the table now the the Rs have fled.
The debt ceiling has been raised 10 times since 2002. It was raised twice by Bush in 2008. No hostages then. WTF now? The ceiling has been raised 74 times since 1962. BFD. There is no need to involve current budget discussions in order to raise the debt ceiling now. They are not joined at the hip and both parties are complicit in holding our nation and Americans hostage in what should be a simple act to raise the ceiling now. The budget will be much healthier if it can stand on its own without making it a piece of pork related to the debt ceiling.
You might want to read up on totalitarian governments of the past and how these motherfuckers ( literally) have learned so very much from them…including Russia and China. It’s very interesting
No one in France would address their Grandmother with “vous”.
and the upper midwest will plead with Canada to become another province. Oh Canada, universal health care and a more benign foreign policy but I doubt that Canada would be that stupid to allow the cancer to spread.
All of the proposed changes in the debt ceiling negotiations, to the Medicare program involve making copays and deductibles higher and shifting the cost to the consumer (you and me).
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee learned well from Obama…put out a populace message, but stab the citizens in the back in action. They obviously believe the “message” is more important than the actual “action”.
My wife and I get all sorts of fundraising appeals from these guys, from MoveOn, DFA, DSCC and so on. We send a reply to each and every one that simply says “Free Bradley Manning!”
Until he is free no Democrat that doesn’t pledge to help free him gets a penny from us.
They would if they were Calvinist Republicans.
The Middle Class are the Job Creators. The Middle Class are the Engine of the American economy. Stop killing the middle class!
Have a background in Sino-Soviet History. So I have “read up”…and yes, it is interesting!
One thing I’ve noticed for severals years now, including the last several Presidents is they have forgotten that we elect them to be our representatives in government. Not our leaders. Whenever I hear one of them refered to as our leader I just cringe. I would like to see them reminded at every opportunity that they are NOT our leaders. They are our representatives. Remind them that in a democracy they are sent there to do OUR bidding. Not the other way around.
(ever so slightly OT)
On my way out to lunch, I heard a snippet of J. Boner the House Speaker on the Ed Schultz show pontificating on what “The American People” would or would not want.
I found myself in the awkward position of agreeing with him on one thing – I do not want the “job creators” to be punished.
However, I would with all my heart and soul like to see the Greedy Assholes who take the tax cuts and demand more, who utilize all the loopholes, who grab up the corporate welfare with both hands – and then destroy jobs, offshore jobs, and give themselves ginormous bonuses for having done so, taxed until their eyeballs bleed.
How do we manage to slap that kind of idea upside the GOP’s (and the Dem’s who love them’s) heads?
and we should be studying how the French and Cuban revolutions dealt with enemies of the people.
oops i posted my comments on the previous thread.
email from dfa today says it’s not obama, it’s boehner who insists on cutting SS and medicare:
Hey ET,
I’m going to use that line every time they call.
The people you describe are the job creators the Republicans defend and protect. They just don’t say the jobs are offshore.
I belong to a private bulletin board for members of the Hollywood creative community. I posted Sam Stein’s HuffPo article. One of the writers on the board responded by posting:
“This seems perfectly reasonable to me.”
Left me at a loss for words.
re healthcare costs: because of the context, i’m guessing you are actually referring to fed spending on health care here and NOT health care costs (national healthcare expenditures) as you did just above the bit i quoted? whichever meaning you meant, i have a request… in the future would you please try to be clear about which costs you are referring to? thanks!
thank you! Jane
for all you and your staff do
the elites are over reaching here big time
I think Obama, the Dems, and the GOP are pouring gas on to a fire
none of this helps the economy issue number 1 in the USA
we can’t forget that this July 2011, economist say JULY 2012 is going to be worse.
Petitiion signed, and kicked in some bucks towards the cause. This is the about the 4th or 5th petition I’ve signed (including BoldProgressives just a few minutes ago) in the last few days.
We get fundraising calls from Dems (like Keith Ellison’s group) every weekend it seems. I’ve started telling them that “if you can get Jane Hamsher to publicly endorse whats-his-name, then I will send you a check” Invariably they ask who Jane is, and I gladly enlighten them about FDL and Jane.
They see themselves as feudal lords. Given that there’s a need for more court jesters.
Perhaps some of that money could be used to pay filing fees for a volunteer candidate for president to primary Obama in key states like Florida and Ohio and NH?
p.s.
i’m pretty sure the bush tax cuts didn’t and don’t “punch a hole in the deficit” — first the deficit was due to the post clinton bubble recession and now the financial crisis. the deficit was going to go up one way or another (due to automatic stabilizers or proactive deficit spending). the bush tax cuts were stupid and anti-progressive, but they didn’t and aren’t causing the deficit (and it’s a good thing we have the deficit spending that we do — trying to lower it is madness way beyond the standard deecee bat-shit-crazy).
It’s official. The “c” in Democrat stands for corporatists, and without it all you have are Demorats.
It sometimes gets surprising responses. When asked to attend local Democratic party or candidate fundraisers on facebook, I always respond with “Free Bradley Manning.” Sometimes I get messages back privately in support – people are afraid. But sometimes the commenters start agreeing with me. Whenever I have to introduce myself at a local Democratic lunch, dinner or event, I always start or end with “Free Bradley Manning.”
Jane, I don’t know if you caught Obama’s press conference this morning, but I was struck dumb by his continual use of the word “progressive”.
It was stuff like “If progressives want this…” and “If progressives want that…”.
I couldn’t for the life of me understand why he suddenly was “concerned” about what progressives think/want.
And I do know that his usage of “progressives” had to have been deliberate and scripted beforehand. The constant repetition ruled out anything but an intentional talking point before the national media and the public.
And said “talking point” was at a curious “press conference” as well. Obama? Press Conferences? Guess that Twitterfest didn’t do the job.
And yes, the bully pulpit (alas, awkwardly with the bully’s target in the pulpit) to attempt to spin trite Beltway takeaways of “Obama is on top of his game!” when all know he’s going to fold.
Anyways, I’d sure like to hear your and other folks take on his use of the plaintive plea “progressives”.
My take? I wonder what the hell he’s been smoking?
Okay, I signed the pledge and I contributed to the fight. Now would somebody please primary O’s ass so the real progressive agenda can enter the conversation. Peace everybody.
And the hits just keep on coming . . .
Makes me mad Durbin has a safe seat here in Illinois. And I am not all that sure about Jan Schakowsky as she caves as well despite speaking out. And Mark Kirk is a waste.
Depressing . . .
Here’s the reply I sent back to Steve Israel & the DCCC:
Dear Mr. Israel,
I’m TIRED OF IT, too! I’m sick & tired of YOU and the DCCC LYING to me and to other traditional Democratic voters.
This email is a bald-faced, pernicious LIE of EPIC proportions.
You think you can get away with a fast one, don’t you? Well, frankly, Mr. Israel, you may be able to fool some gullible citizens who aren’t paying attention. But I pay attention, and guess what???
There is NO difference between the so-called “Republicans” and laughingly called “Democrats” anymore. And it’s Barack Hussein Obama who’s got Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block all in the name of the ginned up, fake-out called Deficit Reduction.
Social Security & Medicare have nothing to do with our nation’s debt, nor are either program contributing to our deficit.
Stop LYING and pulling my leg that it’s all the “fault” of the Republicans. No, no it’s not. Laughingly called “Democrats” are just as complicit and BOUGHT OFF as their so-called “Republican” counterparts. You’re all bought off and wholly owned by the US corporations.
Give ME a break and stop LYING.
Sign me a disgusted citizen, who tore up my membership to the laughingly called “Democratic Party” a long time ago.
Yeah, and I feel like such a “fool”.
The No Brainer Adjustment; Remove the cap on OASDI maximum earning wages (now at $106,000) and everyone pays SS taxes on their entire taxable income. Takes all the hot air out of the anti-social security discussion.
The “debt ceiling” is a Con as is “default.” Will China, India, Europe, Mid-east, Asia, Mexico, South America…… stop importation? Do these economies (other than Europe) have living wages so the workers can buy the goods they produce and social safety systems? -NO- Will Europe and parts of the middle east risk the loss of US military protection? -NO- Many of the countries that export to the USA except Europe do not protect workers, pay living wages, and social safety programs, including China. China’s industrialization is due to USA WTO agreements and offshoring of our manufacturing plants. The deal always was buy our debt and you can export your enslaved labor made goods here.
Default means foreign investments lose, global corporations, banking empires, and global entities lose……and so do the profiteers. US dollars will be of value to US citizens as the chosen means to barter for labor, goods, and services here. The USA is a living viable fertile land, resources, and population to meet our necessities and live good lives.
So go ahead and reset and remove the greed and poverty to return to a balanced equilibrium. And eliminate the IMF. The IMF is the bankers and profiteers tool to enslave populations and steal their resources.
Another fake crisis, another excuse to hammer the middle class. We need a way to fight back, there’s hardly anybody representing us in Washington.
Jane, forgive me for being so presumptuous as to make this suggestion, but have you considered the possibility of YOU being the one to offer a primary challenge to Obama in 2012? Even if you didn’t win the nomination your candidacy could put you and/or the NPA in the position of offering viable candidates of a progressive nature in 2012, 2014, and 2016. Think about it.
Jane Hamsher for President in 2012!
I can only think of one. The democratic socialist Bernie Sanders and technically he only represent the citizens of Vermont that had the good sense to elect him to the Senate. All the other’s that might have represented “us” are dead from one cause or another.
Peas peas peas, eating Obama’s peas!
Goodness how delicious, eating Obama’s peas!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f06qKlhkKG4
Can’t use “fucking retards” or “sanctimonious purists” when the cameras are rolling and you’ve got a bridge to sell.
The debt ceiling is inconsequential as is default yet both sides have conspired to engage us in a mythical debate of not “fulfilling” financial obligations. What country in the world has stopped doing business with the USA because of our debt obligations? What country will cut us off from their imports? What country will turn away our military protection? Time to Reset and let the bankers and global entities sacrifice their ill-gotten wealth
Hypocrisy hath no bounds nor truth nor integrity.
Regardless of how this turns out the fact that Obama has been willing to use all the signature safety net program as chips in the phony debt ceiling game demonstrates that you cannot trust him with a second term.
He has made plain that absolutely nothing is sacred.
In fact, he SNEERS at Social Security and Medicare calling them sacred cows.
Put the party on notice. We aren’t voting for him. If they don’t want to have him heading a losing ticket, they better get a primary challege going darn quick.
I thought that we elected a President, not Father Knows Best or Ward Cleaver. How about telling the Republicans and $350 Buck Chuck (Paul Ryan)what they need to hear: HELL NO!!!
official obama press conference transcript is up:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/11/press-conference-president
I am tired of the lies and being sold out. I went Obama for America and sent them the following:
“I want to thank for sending me the donation reminders. As a lifelong Democrat I recognize what the President is doing for the working folks. In recognition of his efforts, every time I receive a donation request from you, I will look to see who is the leading Republican candidate and make a donation to that person.
Regards,”
They sent me the following in return:
“Dear Stephen,
Thank you for your support, and for submitting a comment.
We’re just getting set up, so it may take a few weeks before we’re able to reply to everyone — thanks so much for your patience as the campaign kicks off. … ”
I wonder if they will really send me a reply.
Jane and Bernie, I’d vote for them assuming they didn’t change their positions.
Thanks for the link, selise. In response to a question from Rick Wolf, Obama says “…Social Security is not the source of our deficit problems.” WTF? Why is Social Security even on the table in a deficit-debt reduction negotiation then, Mr. Obama?
To selise at 55
Why is that distinction important in the context of this discussion? If the overall health care expenditures rise, for whatever reason, so will the federal spending on health care. Is it important because the reason health care expenditures as a % of GDP haven’t changed under the ACA could be that any improvements were offset by increases due to other causes (aging of population)?
Punching a hole implies the Bush tax cuts did not create the whole deficit, but that they created a hole that is still bleeding.
It’s incredible. They seem to be losing any sense of obligation to EVEN *apprear* to be making any sense. Or maybe they are just mystified by their own web of lies.
maybe start a Bernie Sanders write in for the primaries?
Ultimately, Customers are the true job creators. If no one is buying there is no need for job. Money without labor is just an inert piece of paper and business without customers is just insane. But I guess the MOTU think these simple truths do not apply.
Or to put it more succinctly to the Dems and their fearless leader: Go f##k yourselves.
We won’t get fooled again.
No votes for DINOcrats or Vichycrats.
The time for talking is OVER.
The time has come for ACTION.
If progressives dont stand up and actually do something… NOW… as in right now… then they will have squandered a historic opportunity.
As painful as the betrayal of Obama and the Democrats has been… and as painful as the mindless deeds of the Republicans have also been… the American people have had enough. That is the political opportunity of a lifetime.
It’s time to seize the moment… it’s time to answer the call… it’s time to stand up to corruption.
No more mamby pampy shit… it’s time to stand up.
There is NO HOPE for either the corupt Democrats or corrupt Republicans. Both organizations are totally corrupt to the core… so helplessly corrupt as to be incapable of revival. They are over… there is no saving them.
It’s time to chart a new path… find a new way. History is on our side… and so are the American people.
We need to do this for us… the American people.
We need to save ourselves.
No kidding. When I saw that stink-bomb in my email, I was so ticked off at the outrageous pernicious LIE. It’s like they don’t even bother anymore to make the vaguest passing stab at doing *anything* that the serf-voters want.
They just make up bald-faced LIES and feed it to the peasants… tell us the sh*t sandwich they’re serving us today doesn’t stink & tastes sweet.
Really un-EFFEN-believable.
No, Steve Isreal, no matter what Rahm said, I am NOT f*ckin’ r*tarded enough to fall for your bald-faced LIES.
“our government is filled with Gypsies, tramps and thieves….( attributed to Cher)”
I hope neither you nor Cher intend by that remark to demean the Romani people.
You’re missing it. This is no difference in Obama’s Standard Operating Procedure. He’s not concerned about what Progressives want. He was telling you what you’re going to get.Just like the Public Option, drug price negotiation, and the God awful individual mandate. Even though it is basic sales 101 to give your customers what they want, the Democrats never took that class and so are continually surprised by electoral drubbing after electoral drubbing. They’d rather demand you support their terrible policies rather than them cater to your interests. It’s a combo of arrogance and ignorance. Progressives need to become even more stubborn. You see, Obama and company always press us to give in because we’re still much more reasonable and amenable than the Repugs. It’s the path of least resistance. Progressives have to be willing to make them lose continually until they understand we don’t have Stockholm Syndrome and won’t yield.
Cathy Mason @81
not to the extent that costs are born by states & local govt, businesses and households. iow, it depends. that’s why the distinction matters.
Cathy Mason @82
don’t think that is so. (although it has been D propaganda for years)
I took the pledge way back when the Dems we elected voted for Obama & Dole’s HCR. Many regulars will note I’ve been very upset with FDL for not responding similarly long before this.
Bravo, Jane & team, a contribution will follow.
totally scripted
progressive concern troll
Then based on what you’ve written previously, exactly what do you propose that is not “begging” or “useless.”
Be specific.
That made me laugh.
it used to be that if you wanted groups to swallow hard, you had to expend some political capital. I don’t see where obama has earned political capital with anyone and is governing on a strategy of appealing to the left of ‘I’m not them’ so you have to vote for me, and on right on ‘I’m really just like you’ so why not vote for me. That is undoubtedly a weak loser position, not to mention disgusting to watch.
The ones Obama is referring to when he says “Medicare in particular will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program.”
And, thanks, Jane, for sticking around to enhance what you have written with additional comments. Means a lot!
News just came on with “….eat your peas…” — I’d like to stuff some of those peas up Obama’s nose….he’s such a stupid kid. And evil, also, too.
My only question is whether true progressives are going to primary Obama and/or run an independent progressive challenger to the Democrats and Republicans in the next election?
I presume he is talking about part A medicare? If so that can be fixed easily as can SS, by either raising the tax or making contributions from general revenue. Oh I know that is anathema.
And my congresscritter got another email letting her know that if she doesn’t stand up, I won’t bother to vote for her again.
There is no way to get around the Republicans, Obama, and the Congressional Democratic party’s complete lack of compassion for the middle and working class (the poor, elderly, disabled and unemployed can obviously continue over the cliff into the abyss). The question is, what are we going to do about it? They aren’t afraid of petitions…they aren’t afraid of a “march on Washington”…are they even “afraid” of citizens at this point?
It is trite, I know, but it is also true: this President is choosing to throw the poor, the sick, the disabled, the unemployed and the old ones under the bus, not only this day but our children as well. He will “tax” them but not the rich.
She has my vote.
It is Obama Strategery, just as I thought it was. Obama is just play acting. We can assume that the retirement age will remain 65, or it will remain a big, juicy steak..“Obama isn’t Really Serious About Raising Social Security Age”
What do I say about Wall Street Crooks and Liars? They give crooks and liars a bad name. And when the global economy crashes…oh that is in this narrative. And those billionaires will be so sorry they will need extra boxes of kleenix for their crying.
Biut we do have a WINNER! and D-Day is on this like lice on Lobbyists.
I have learned from Obama’s deals that the Big Zero is a Class Warrior 24/7. He is boxing in the GOP and the unproductive Rich people. Unless they refuse to deal.
I am absolutely freaking out. That ASShole in the White House is worse than I feared. He seriously wants to raise the age for eligibility for Medicare. But hey, no worries……. it won’t happen until 2014.
So for those of us (like me) in our 50′s and 60′s, we get a whole two extra years to try and figure out how to pay the extra medical expenses Obama wants to send our way.
I can’t afford that. Seriously.
Smokey The President thinks everyone else still smokes, destined to cost millions per cough.
to paraphrase It’s a Wonderful Life, “Teacher says every time obama punches a hippie, an angel gets their wings.”
Not to worry. By then you can buy insurance from your local insurance exchange. Well, if you are only 50, the medicare age may be 73 or something like that. Hey, what the hell, those insurance companies need the bucks.
I guess The Great Swami thinks we are etherized.We knows he lying. The people knows he lying. He knows he lying. Who is he lying too? What is he lying for? Is there some else in the room we can see?
BTW, you may want to work some years longer too so you have enough money to buy that insurance. It’s all part of the master plan. YOu know if everyone takes longer to retire that can help SS too. So we fix medicare and SS with just one stroke of the pen.
Party vs. Party War As Highest Priority
Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota – veteran member and current chairman of the Senate Budget Committee – today (July 11) finally condescended to reveal to the public and to the Republican members of the Budget Committee a “framework” for the federal budget – in lieu of an actual “budget resolution” which, under the law (Title 2, United States Code, Section 632), was to have been considered by that committee and adopted by Congress by the middle of April.
Mark Begich of Alaska, another Democratic member of the Budget Committee, indicated in remarks immediately following Conrad’s Senate floor presentation Monday afternoon that the Democratic majority of that committee (plus “Independent” Bernie Sanders) has been in secret, often contentious, negotiations over this budget framework “for two to three months.”
Meanwhile, the Senate Budget Committee itself has not held a single (public) meeting or hearing since April 5, and the Republican members of the committee, and thus the states and people they represent, have had no opportunity to participate in the legislative process for the federal budget in the committee of jurisdiction on which those federal representatives sit.
Furthermore, there is presently no meeting or mark-up scheduled on this, or any measure, in the Senate Budget Committee, and Senator Conrad, at the conclusion of his remarks today, indicated only that he hoped that the handful of Party negotiators meeting behind closed doors might take some of his proposals into consideration.
In other words, there is still no Senate budget proposal for the federal government that has been formally presented to or publicly considered by the Senate Budget Committee, contrary to law, and there are apparently no plans to have the Senate act on a democratically-written or democratically-debated/amended federal budget this year.
To detail some of the ideas in what Senator Jeff Sessions (ranking Republican on the Budget Committee) rightly calls Conrad’s “phantom budget” – that the Democratic majority in the Senate, Conrad included, is choosing to bypass in irresponsible deference to the Party war being led, on their side, by the President – these are some of the proposals (privately endorsed by the Democratic caucus, but withheld from the Republican caucus) that I heard Conrad suggest on the floor today, in lieu of beginning the formal, open, democratic legislative process on a budget in the Senate Budget Committee:
Senate incumbents continue to treat the Senate Chamber and committee rooms as a “No Man’s Land” that may only be utilized to meaningfully approach “the enemy” on “the other side of the aisle” if permission is first privately granted by Party leadership (meaning apparently, at present, for the Democrats, permission from the President). At least half of our federal Legislative Branch of government therefore remains off-limits to public solutions and deliberation, on this and most serious issues facing the nation. And those who, like the President and the national media, always define this debate in Party vs. Party terms – thereby deliberately ignoring the importance and purpose of the separation of powers – rather than as a problem deserving serious, democratic consideration and debate by all the people’s representatives in Congress in a search for worthy solutions, only help reinforce that destructive, corrupting dynamic.
There should not be, nor should we tolerate, trench warfare inside the Congress between adults aligned with either Party, which has clearly extended now to the extreme of majority Senate Democrats childishly refusing even to work with minority Republicans in committee and on the floor – whatever else may be the case on Cable TV or on the unending presidential campaign trail. Congress does not need dictatorial commanders (aka “Congressional” leaders who are actually only “Party” leaders) to “sue for peace” before elected members can or should work openly with their colleagues on “the other side” of the same legislative body. We need our representatives to do their damn jobs, never mind the bruised ego and personal conceit of this, or any, President, or Party leader.
Except:
Nobody wants you when you’re old and grey.
Yeah, like you can start saving in 2011 to have enough funds to cover that by 2014. I’m 60. I have a friend my age who was diagnosed with breast cancer last year. That kind of change will literally destroy her retirement security. There is no way she could cover those two years without insurance or at the kind of rate she’d have to pay.
I mean that is just brutal.
Maybe that’s what is meant by “under the bus”? Our futures are not bright and I can’t see at this time how we will be able to change this, no matter who is running the government. Maybe sometime in the next year we can find a path.
“Brutal” is the word. I knew he’d sell us out; I guess that I didn’t expect it to be THIS cold hearted. Hell, people like you and I would be better off under Ryan’s plan.
That’s because the country is being run by thugs…
billyc @ 80,
worse, trying to reduce the deficit is itself bat-shit-crazy.
Sorry my friend, but I’m not missing it at all. You’ve read into my questions a lack of understanding that isn’t present.
Believe me, and if not me, ask any of the FDL oldtimers.
You can bet that those reductions in “tax expenditures” that benefit the top wage earners will include a drastic reduction or abolition of the mortgage interest deduction, the single biggest benefit enjoyed by the middle class.
Count on it.
That made me laugh out loud!
And the fact that Obama is so far out of touch that he could even possibly imagine that he still has support from progressives at all.
I’m pretty sure if I had some of what he’s been smoking, I know I could fly. *g*
Obama represents the last best hope the financial interests have to damage Social Security. I did not vote for Obama because he was manufactured by the financial industry, but I did not believe he had the audacity to hurt/dismantle Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security all at one time.
The ruling elites of the Dems and Repubs are working together against our social programs and our only hope is that the Repub no, not-ever-a-tax-increase crowd and/or a sufficient amount of Dems who will defend these programs to the bitter end will stop Obama.
While at the gym tonight I saw Hillary Clinton on the TV with no sound. I was amazed at how sad I felt that she wasn’t president – we wouldn’t be where we are now if she were. I am sure some will disagree.
SS is on the table now because it represents Obama’s last best hope of wrapping it up for the financial industry. They have all but ended the traditional pension industry and forced us to put our money into 401(k)s to rip us off whenever they wish, so SS is the largest pool of untouched money available.
They want us unemployed, sick and dead, but not until they can take as much money from us as possible.
Bernie Sanders or Jane Hamsher.
We could at least agree on a write-in candidate.
Between now and 2012, there will be many more former Dems
who are fed up and refuse to do the ‘lesser of two evils’ jive.
KellyCanfieldDenver… nice to talk with you again… and I appreciate your earnest question.
First of all… I mean no disrespect to anyone here… if I disagree with their attempted solutions. Anyone offering solutions and especially anyone willing to work for real solutions has my admiration.
I would start where we left off the other day. The hearts of progressives may be in the right place but they dont know jackshit about how politicians think. Politicians are keenly aware of VULNERABILITY. Politicians are like hawks who prey on those who are vulnerable. That is their stock and trade.
Progressives have shown themselves to be utterly helpless, without a spine and VULNERABLE. They have no consequence to their ‘demands” and politicians know that. “Demanding” involves a consequence if the demand is not met. What consequence do you threaten these corrupt politicians with…?
Do we threaten not to vote for them ? Thats laughable… who will we then vote for ?
Our corrupt leaders are fully aware that there is NO ALTERNATIVE and no consequence if they dont meet our demands. So they treat us with contempt and play us for our vote… and then betray us. They know there is nothing we can do. We have allowed ourselves to be put in a helpless-powerless situation. They know we only have two choices… both of which have been corrupted by the exact same cabal.
Progressives need to learn how to fight… something they dont know anything about. Learn how to battle from a position of strength instead of weakness. Learn what consequence means… not just fake consequence… which corrupt politicians can see right thru.
We MUST establish an ALTERNATIVE… a CONSEQUENCE. The ONLY way and I repeat the ONLY way is to seperate ourselves from these criminals. We must start our own movement… totally seperate from the political partys. We must nominate and advocate for candidates who do not belong to ANY political party. And we must vote for them.
Why will this work now?
THE most under-reported political revolution has taken place right under the noses of everyone… and NO ONE has realized its historic importance. Progressives have a natural ally. INDEPENDENTS… Independents are common Americans of all ideologies who have done the most remarkable thing. Without encouragement… without a major money campaign… without support and without a leader they have left their respective corrupt partys and gone their own way. And virtually every single one of us for the same reason. Because we KNOW… that the two corrupt parties do not represent the American people. Independents are hungry for change and they are willing to embrace it. The largest block of voters are INDEPENDENTS. And yet no one has stepped up and made a direct appeal to them… offered them a real alternative.
Progressives with sature such as Jane Hamsher need to step up to the plate and nominate HONEST AMERICANS to run for office… as Independents… and then tirelessly work for and advocate for and show a willingness to vote for these alternatives. Their only qualifications need to be honesty and a proven willingness to work for the American people. Thats it.
The majority of Americans are beyond fed up with our government. A majority of American want their country back. Seize the moment. Seize the opportunity. Give these disaffected American voters and progressives what they want… AN ALTERNATIVE. A real, honest to goodness, alternative.
We must start down the path of breaking the stranglehold that corrption has on our government. We cannot do it within the confines of the current corrupt system. We need to take our government back from the criminals and scoundrels that have stolen it from us. We need to chart our own path forward.
And progressives need to learn how to do battle. As things stand now… NO ONE in the progressive community knows anything about how to do this.
We need to do battle from strength and with the weapons of alternative and consequence. I am not afraid.
In all seriousness, what are the consequences to “breaking that law”?
That’s all well and good.
But you did not offer one exact specific thing to do. What “ALTERNATIVE” to do and what exact “CONSEQUENCE” to make for politicians?
Consequences, by the way, need to be the same for all politicians, including any new 3rd party risks one was going to take.
So, again, you keep saying progressives don’t know what to do. So you tell me abouttomorrow and exactly what I could do tomorrow to make a difference.
ah, thanks. well that goes a long way to explain my confusion… obama’s statement is total nonsense in so many ways. even by the bogus trustee’s report, medicare part b and part d are projected to be solvent for the indefinite future (beyond their 75 year horizon) (as stephanie kelton has explained, see here and here).
but then, your post is titled, “up is down,” so i guess by that standard (and only that standard), obama’s statement kinda makes sense.
I can, it was the British government to the American colonists. It led to the American Revolution, as I recall. France around that timeframe is another good example.
The Bush deficit was caused by Clinton – say what?
Orginally dated from 3/1 to 11/26 of 2001, the “recession” failed to have the two consecutive negative quarters that usually defined a recession. In early 2008 the Bush economists redated the recession to several months prior to the 3/1/2001 date, making it start under Clinton. The Wall Street Journal under new owner Murdoch declared that the “recession” started with the downturn in the NASDAQ in March 2000, ignoring the fact the rest of he market did not crash (the dot.com crash was the term used). However post the dot,com crash of 3/2000 employment continued to grow rapidly, and the government had its first decrease on calendar basis in the national debt because the surplus through 12/31/2000 was so large.
In 2001, the Federal Reserve in a move to quell the stock market, made successive interest rate increases, and is credited in part for “plunging the country into a recession.” – if there was one.
With the nomination of Bush, corporate America cut back on real private domestic investment which is made up of purchases of plant and equipment, new house construction and net inventory. Consumer outlays (consumer purchases plus interest payments on consumer debt) became equal to consumer disposable income, meaning there was no personal saving – all of the nation’s saving was in the reduction to the national debt.
GW Bush, like his father Hw Bush, had a jobless recovery as regulation enforcement that kept jobs in the US ended – indeed GW’s jobless recovery exceeded in duration his fathers.
Please don’t drink the Wall Street Journal Kool Aid – we need you at FDL!
Bring on the ENRON accounting boys and then go out and tell everyone all is well just vote for Obama next yr. Thats the plan and why not? They got Nancy and Harry and the boys to sign onto the Health scam last yr., so why not this BS now? These are a cynical bunch of lying scheming pond scum. All of them have obviously attended the Donald Trump school of Corp. deal making and gotten an A+. Its all Orwell now folks 24/7 8 days a week in DC. We need to get in the streets or eat crow forever. If our generation allows these bandits especially the ones having the chutzpah to call themselves Dems. to hand over and gut the crown jewels of 100 yrs. of struggle, then we get the Fascist / Corporatist Gov’t we damn well deserve. The line has to be drawn in the sand here. This is class war at its most egregious. ENOUGH fucking ENOUGH already!
In the current media-hyped, President-driven Party vs. Party environment, obviously none.
How many people in this country have been informed, or would care if they were, that the Democratic-majority Senate has failed to produce a budget (which no filibuster, or mere threat to filibuster, can stop) for more than two years now? And how many of those who do know and care have complained about that abdication of duty by the Senate?
Yet the main consequence of note for “breaking that law,” as with so much of what Congress does or doesn’t do, is public exposure and condemnation – which I haven’t seen Democrats or “progressives” working to foster on this issue, despite the continuing Obama pattern of acting behind closed doors (someone appreciates the consequences of public exposure, if we don’t) in the name of “his (!) caucus” in Congress. Obama, of course, is again eagerly joined, in his non-public efforts to dictate to our representatives, by a few colluding “leaders” from both national Parties, who will expect their Congressional charges to unquestioningly fall into line behind them at the appropriate moment, if only to prove that those “leaders” indeed have “juice” (power) that nothing in the Constitution granted them.
I will drive to Denver… pick you up and if Jane would help us with by arranging a meeting. I and you will talk to Berneie Sanders with all our persuasive strength and convince him to do the right thing and run for president and help us take our country back… for the good of the country and the American people. If Jane cant help us then we will camp on his front sidewalk until he comes out and talks to us. We will not give up.
Next we will talk to Elizabeth Warren and use those same persuasive skills to convince her to do the same…for the good of the country and the American people… as an Independent [not as a Democrat]. If she cant leave the Democratic party teat then she is not for us. We will continue this pursuit until we have filled out a candidate roster that will take the country by storm.
You and I doing that would do more good than all the emails- call ins and petitions in the world. Politicians would then know that they will face real competition and alternatives. Someone needs to do it…NOW.
“France around that timeframe is another good example.” Cake anyone?
Well said – military spending doubling under Bush sure had an effect, but it was gradual, as were the every year new tax cuts. Based on National Debt increase the real Bush Deficit was a steady 500 billion every year of his presidency until 2007/2008 when the recession blew up the numbers and the bailouts went through the roof.
Politicians and Serial Killers Share Personality Traits.
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/serial-killers-and-politicians-share-traits
What doesn’t go unnoticed is the fact that some of the character traits exhibited by serial killers or criminals may be observed in many within the political arena. While not exhibiting physical violence, many political leaders display varying degrees of anger, feigned outrage and other behaviors. They also lack what most consider a “shame” mechanism. Quite simply, most serial killers and many professional politicians must mimic what they believe are appropriate responses to situations they face such as sadness, empathy, sympathy, and other human responses to outside stimuli.
Yes, I agree that Jane Hamsher needs to work even more tirelessly.
Jeebus, what the fuck are you smokin’?
Why do you need to talk to Liz Warren after using all your persuasion on Bernie? Will Bernie not listen to you?
The increase in percent of GDP projected for health care (it is projected to exceed 100% of the economy so you know the ins model must end) from 15+% to 20+% is not due to aging – or any rational reasoning. It is not even due to grow doctor pay.
Our for profit health care givers have replaced the city hospital and the Catholic Hospital and they troll from which of the health ins companies they will allow in the door to be 3rd party payers for their clients. Thus the ins co’s compete based on paying more than Medicare by some percent. Each year Medicare plays catch up – and the ins. co’s react by again adding a percentage to the Medicare rate as they sign up the Hospitals and other health care providers. This is called Medical care inflation, and only the Maryland Medicare waiver with its rule that all third party payers pay the same amount for the same service, that amount being determine by a state board, can stop it from destroying the economy.
I think she is referring to ending medical inflation that is destroying the economy, not the increase in deductibles, etc that move more of the cost from the government to the back of the aged and poor.
I have to disagree with that. “Powerless” and “Spineless” are not necessarily synonymous, especially not in this case. Nor, for that matter are “Progressives” and “Democrats” synonymous. Progressives are ineffective because establishment Democrats have no spine and they are neutered as long as the Party are afraid of people like AM radio disc jockeys and Tundra Hillbillies. That said, I too would be very interested in what “consequences” the powerless Progressives can offer?
not the wsj, randy wray, see for example, A PROGRESSIVE APPROACH TO FEDERAL BUDGETING:
The problem with a Bernie write in is that some states do not allow write ins.
if it wasn’t for you, i wouldn’t know.
thanks powwow, excellent comment.
“Medicare in particular will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program.” – Obama as usual does not know – or acts like he does not know – what Medicare is.
Medicare Part A is HI and like Social Security has a dedicated tax and a rule that benefits are cut when the tax does not produce enough income – so we never get to a position of not being able to “sustain” the program. Medicare Part B lives off a premium in combination with deductibles, and likewise in theory goes on forever – albeit at reduced payment to providers. The Doc’s do not like the reduction required under current law so we have the “annual doc fix” law passed to use funds from the general account (FIT monies) to allow Part B to pay “market rates”. Part D is Drugs and has no income stream supporting it – it was designed to draw down the trust funds and kill Medicare.
But it seems like the only fight to be had these days is to see who can screw the middle class the hardest
Who else is left to kick around? The poor were ripped off a long time ago by Clinton and Bush…the Congress and Obama is not going after the rich..next will be the upper middle class than the rich, the very rich with uber rich staying power//
I saw Bernie on the DR show and it easy to see he was POed at Obama..even DR is ticked off..Obama is a joke and I will not vote for him
Progressives are not a small group.
Progressives need to start nominating candidates now. And I dont mean “primary” candidates. If you were successful in a primary effort all you would get would be another corrupt Democrat. Your “success” would bring about no real change.
We need to a clean and total break from the Democratic party. They do not represent us… they are our enenmy as much as the Republicans. Only when we stand up and support candidates that are not part of the Democratic-Republican UNIPARTY will we ever have strength.
This needs to happen NOW. Waiting only weakens our positiion.
Is this your plan independentvoternews?
Olbermann let Obama have it tonight.
Frankly, I think the real reason why so little is accomplished is because congressional members are power hungry and very lazy. Yes, lazy, because they don’t really want to take the time to learn about an issue and debate the consequences of their actions. They would rather have small committees determine how an issue will be dealt with (keeping in mind that lobbyists are talking to each committee member with future campaign contributions involved). Then the party “leadership” gives a thumbs up or down and the majority just toes the party line. In my book, that is LAZINESS.
best news I heard all day
i will be watching Keith at 11
Obama is intentionally driving the train toward the cliff
Obama knows he is not going to win in 2012
it is always the ECONOMY people
When Clinton piss off progressives he also had an economy that created 5 million jobs
The Part D drug benefit is funded through a separate account in
the SMI trust fund and is financed through general revenues, state contributions, and beneficiary premiums. The Trustee’s do not project indefinite health of Part D.
They do, because of the structure of Part B and the SMI Trust fund, project that Part B goes on forever – however moving more cost to retiree cost can eventually make this an option no one can afford.
Part A likewise goes on forever because of the structure. The end of the 2 trust funds is what all are talking about – and the end of meaningful benefits that folks can opt into – plus the cost of those “general funds” that keep the plan useful now getting out of hand.
Part A medicare hospital is financed by a 2.9% tax on earnings, half on employer and employee (1.45% each). This will increase to 2.35% on high earning individuals. Part B is financed by premimums amounting to around 25% plus deductibles and by general revenues (74%). So part A can go bust. I’m not sure of the date.
http://www.kff.org/medicare/upload/7305-05.pdf
Link to web site on medicare. Part A fund is projected to run out in 2029.
You completely missed the point.
A person can did a ditch all day… but what good is it if you have dug it in the wrong place.
NOTHING that progressives are doing now is having any affect whatsoever.
That should tell you that what they are doing isnt working. Thats only common sense. So why continue doing the same thing over and over and over if its not working? Why?
papau @147
here is the link to the medicare trustee’s report:
https://www.cms.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2011.pdf
medicare part b and part d are in a separate trust fund — not HI — they are in SMI (Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund).
from the trustee’s report:
Democrats in Congress, particularly Nancy Pelosi, have to start running against President Obama if they want to retain their jobs and have any shot of taking back the House. The President doesn’t give a SHIT about them, they need to realize that and act accordingly.
It is absolutely critical that Nancy Pelosi and Congressional Democrats absolutely, positively denounce the President’s plans in the strongest terms — making such a big fuss about it that the media picks it up as the politically sexiest story to come around in a long time — the Democrats jumping ship from the President’s incoming wreck.
And we need to start recruiting a primary challenger, pronto.
That’s the ONLY way to have any hopes in 2012.
In my research on MMT and Dr Wray’s writings I did indeed read that:
“For an early, 1999, analysis, see this: Surplus Mania: A Reality Check–sometimes there is no benefit to getting it right!.) In truth, this rapid growth was due to the discovery of the “bubbleicious” pump and dump dot-com economy—it had nothing to do with “fundamentals”. The economy then crashed, and a deficit was restored as government tax receipts plummeted at record, nearly Biblical, rates—beginning an unprecedented four-year fall. Yes, the Bush tax cuts helped, contributing to a 15% annual rate of decline of federal tax revenue. But recovery turned that around—quickly, thanks to the pumping of two other bubbles: real estate and commodities.”
And then I dug deeper – and concluded it was nonsense. The Hi-Fi cloud that is the fudge factor in MMT to get from transaction accounts to the balance sheet GDP accounting is in need of much more research. I see the “correspondence” in movements that the definitional spreadsheet MMT formula predict – and can only note that direction is great but one needs magnitude to get predictions or analysis.
There are studies coming out of nearly every name econ school – and many small econ schools, that report what I posted above. The assertion in the above quote is, as the Scots like to say, “not proven”.
You haven’t suggested one thing different.
Not one. Going and talking to Bernie Sanders? Do you think people haven’t already done that?
It’s fine to be mad and frustrated. Who isn’t. But you are railing at people for not doing something that you haven’t suggested.
That is a flat out stupid way to alienate allies, frankly.
They would run on the same ticket… together.
Jeez
It obviously will take someone with ‘stature” to get the ball rolling. We cant wait any longer.
The Part A law says they pay out what comes in, so go “bust” amounts to reduced payments out. The program can not die.
The part A fund is projected to run out in 2029. That fund is financed as I noted above. I would note that Part B is funded mostly by general revenue, so congress could decide to not fund it I suppose. But hey, I trust them.
“We need to a clean and total break from the Democratic party. They do not represent us… they are our enenmy as much as the Republicans.” Your so right. I was a D for 40 yrs. Not anymore. I can’t stomach Obama and his Corporatist gang. They’re worse then Gopers. With Gopers there is no deceit they tell u straight on what they intend to do to u. With Obama and the D’s its all deceit and schemes and lying. I hate them. No more votes for them or $$.
I’ll take your word for it but if we blow by the fund one day, medical care will be a problem.
No.. my plan would end all that.
That video is… WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
Yes. Precisely what you are doing. That’s called “irony”.
SMI is the name of the trust fund.
Money from the general account is put there in a separate drawer for Part D. The Part D premium does not now cover costs – and is never projected to do so.
The rest of the SMI trust fund is the deduction for Part B taken from you Social Security Check. Again by law, the percentage of customary charge paid is reduced if income is less than outgo. Current a general account contribution called the doc fix allows Part B to pay a higher percentage than it could under its income flow. The law allows the Trustees to increase the premium – the deduction from your Social Security check – to cover that higher percentage, but experience shows folks drop all coverage when the Part B premium gets too large.
Very true – until the I trust part :-)
Thats pretty much how I feel…
I would only add one thing… I am working to replace the scoundrels who are there now with honest people committed to working for the American people.
We cant just be angry… it’s not doing us any good. We have to be smart.
On what I am seeing now, I would trust them as far as I could throw an elephant. In the end we need the political power to sustain any of these programs.
I am advocating STOPPING what is happening now… and actually doing something.
There is no irony in your comment… only a snarky show of your desire to continue whining and complaining… and doing nothing.
Draft Marcy Wheeler
I suppose I need to read more about MMT. I am disappointed in being able to find the data or in its predictive value, beyond a broad trend. Where do they get their sector balances?
And another thing… why are you afraid of change.
Do you prefer the way things are now?
Do you prefer more whining and complaining… and useless solve nothing strategies ? Do you not want to stand up to corruption ?
What are you afraid of ?
Yeah… you know me too well…not. You haven’t got a clue who I am or what I’ve done or am doing. I’ll invite you to speak only that which you know, especially when it comes to me. I’ve made no assumptions about you. I deserve the same courtesy.
There is no need to involve current budget discussions in order to raise the debt ceiling now.
I’m going to have to disagree with you here. Comparisons with what has occurred in the past fail in two important respects: 1) Republicans have never been more batshit than they are right now. 2) The accepted use of the filibuster has given republicans extraordinary amounts of power. They can do what they want. They’ve decided to take the country hostage.
What can Obama do about this? Well, if I were him, I would seriously consider challenging the constitutionality of this. But if that’s not viable, I would let the republicans default, and then blame them for the fallout. But I don’t think Obama’s got the stomach for that. Any way you slice it, Obama’s in a major bind here.
How can I help.
Morrison.
That comment eloquently demonstrates the depth of your ignorance about who I am.
You intentionally misrepresented what I was saying… in a lame attempt to sidetrack the discussion. Why would you do that? I am offering real solutions… you only have snarky.
You forget the audience you address; primarily activists.
Not fearful people, not only welcomers but agents of change, and without ONE SINGLE PROPOSAL except “Talk to Bernie” you continue to insult and berate this same audience.
You seriously should not post again in this same vein until you have an actual plan with details.
papau @160
what, specifically, are you talking about? please do be specific. i have NO idea what you are referring to.
It’s called “humor”. That’s also an aspect of my personality of which you are woefully unaware. Get a grip.
BTW: I’m still waiting for your “real solutions”. When are you going to talk specifics, other than fantasies about camping out at Bernie Sanders’ and Elizabeth Warren’s homes I mean?
Sorry for unconnected post above.
So, how can I help.
Not politically connected, but motivated.
Morrison
Selise, I’ve seen that huge spreadsheet Kelton has, but can you tell me where that data came from? I can’t match it up.
Right soon, Jane is going to call for a Congressional “Walk-In” to local Congress Critters offices about the SocSec/Medicare cuts on the table.
Sign up and show up with friends and video if you can.
We have to walk right up to these Reps and DEMAND from them “Hands Off.” No discussion. “Hands Off – Or You’re OUT; Get it?”
Power concedes nothing without a demand and we need to make a meaningful demand.
Yep. Obama intentionally created this crisis so that he could bestow his grand bargain magic upon us. However, I don’t think he realized that he would face significant opposition from the Republicans. Now he has painted himself into a corner.
Not being particularly bright, he has doubled down on his bad bet by making it clear that he is unwilling to use the fail-safe built into the constitution, because he still imagines he can force Reps and Dems to accept his Faustian electoral bargain. Neither side can go there, and if all goes well, both parties will have the good sense God gave a rabbit and run for cover, leaving O out there all alone with the vultures circling over him. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy ; )
roxster,
The accepted use of the filibuster has given republicans extraordinary amounts of power
when has anyone actually filibustered? (as opposed to D party propaganda). please read powwow’s excellent diary:
http://my.firedoglake.com/powwow/2011/01/25/debating-filibuster-vs-optional-cloture-the-self-inflicted-catch-22-in-senate-rule-xxii/
bluedot12 @164,
i don’t trust congress (or obama) either. but for now, medicare part B and part D are “adequately financed under current law.”
anyway, my comment was in reference to papu’s comment “Part D is Drugs and has no income stream supporting it – it was designed to draw down the trust funds and kill Medicare” because i don’t think that’s correct (have no idea about intentions, but operationally it doesn’t work that way)…. since part D is in the SMI and not HI, it can’t under current law “draw down the trusts funds” and SMI is refunded out of general revenue, so part D isn’t drawing that one down either.
i will ask scott for a reference to the calculations. thank you for the reminder… i should have done that before and actually started to do so a while ago for the wiki. so there are multiple reasons and i have no excuse for further delay (other than being a bit overloaded at the moment, but that should only be temporary).
That is exactly my point.
The strategies of “activists” have gotten us where ? Is no one allowed to question these strategies when they dont work. My comment about “talk to Bernie” was tongue in cheek. The current strategies are not working… and in fact we are going backwards.
I deliverd a plan with details. Nominate an Independent to run for president against the corrupt Democrats and corrupt Republicans. It’s that simple.
I intend to do that on my website. Yes I have a website… which I have not mentioned or linked to because that is not my purpose for comming here. My website offers free information on how to re-register as an Independent in all 50 states… to help voters break free from political party brainwashig and enslavement. And I advocate for the election of honest politicians and the expulsion of our corrupt government.
I believe the answer is simple. Stand up. Stop messing around. It’s not complicated.
Not sure much to be gained by confronting Coffman, but willing to try.
Maybe I could pretend to be in Perlmutter’s dist. He seems more open to voter input.
In case you haven’t noticed, we need to save Social Security and Medicare BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION!
So voting Independent is fine 16 months from now – but USELESS TOMORROW as we need to save SocSec before the Debt Ceiling talks conclude.
You could come down and join me and the 3 I have so far to hit DeGette’s Office; She’s Chief Deputy Whip and getting Leadership to defect from the Obama plan is key in my book.
Yet when I respond in kind, I’m being unserious, afraid of change and etc., is that it? You’re just another keyboard commando, trying to shame other people into being active so you can feel better about typing your little fingers off, agitating for more action. I’ve marched, I’ve given, I’ve organized but you’re the only serious person on this blog?
You told a story yesterday about delivering 50k signatures to a congressman on the public option issue…
And you conceeded that it had no affect whatsoever.
Why dosnt is work. Because it has no consequence. and politicians know that.
I come here to advocate… just like you all do. It is totally confounding to not only me buy many others why that is not happening.
I am advocating that someone with “stature”… as in someone with national prominence make a bold move. The curent strtegies are not working.
please see my comment @190.
I did NOT concede it had “no effect whatsoever.”
Bennet was indeed primaried, and it was closer than people thought. Then the General, where MANY OF US withheld votes made that race closer than people thought.
You’ll notice that the Obama Admin hasn’t done a thing with Bennet since then – because he’s not liked and vulnerable.
So fine – registering Indy’s? I think that’s fine for 2012 but you know what?
Doing nothing RIGHT NOW to try and make these assholes do the right thing is Not An Option for me.
You can do nothing until November 2012 all you want. But I stand and fight right now.
Ok… well I marched in Washington for the “If the Government Wont Stop the War We Will Stop the Government” to protest the Vietnam war… and I was teargassed on the bridge.
I’m no stranger to protest. But sometimes we have to protest our own… when we can see that what they are doing is not working.
We are going backwards… what is being done now is not working.
as a matter of policy, the public option sucked. so i don’t have any beef with you advocating for using energy in better/different ways.
i’m just not up for or personally interested in party politics (any party) or electoral politics in general for their own sake — unless the policy / values based social movements can be advanced by the work. i don’t see the point.
different people are motivated to do different things. that doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
It $3.3T per decade of deficit reduction if Obama keeps his pen in his pocket in late 2012 and lets the Bush tax cuts expire. And the costs of Medicaid and Medicare would shrink by more than a third, if our medical system, rather than costing 16% of GDP, cost only 10% of GDP like other developed nations many of which have better healthcare outcomes.
The fact is that Obama is obsessed with cutting entitlements and more or less said so to the Washington Post on January 16, 2009, four days before his inauguration. A month later he tried to hold a fiscal-responsibility summit with Pete Peterson, of all people, as it keynote speaker. Over the next year he tried twice to get Congress to set up his Catfood commission and failed each time. Finally he set it up as a presidential commission and appoint a couple of the creepiest people in town to chair it, “of the good of the lesser people.” Now he is determined to implement the recommendations of that Commission’s creepy chairs, and blame the outcome on the need for a debt-limit compromise. Yet again, he is being a dick.
I’m wondering, are they actually writing any potential legislation in these negotiations for a “Grand Bargain”? Let’s say they come to an agreement this time next week. That gives Congress two weeks to write the bill and pass it. And unless the House and Senate pass identical bills, the final bill will have to be rewritten and passed again.
Are there any examples of a bill this large and this complex — dealing with entitlements, tax reform, new taxes, budget cuts, raising the debt ceiling, etc. — being written and passed in a mere two weeks? I’m not really seeing it, unless Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling first and then do everything else afterwards, when Congress has all the time it needs.
projected only though — am i correct?
p.s. beowulf had a great idea: to just have the cbo forecast more realistic (and lower) interest rates.
For those of us who are not very tech savvy, anybody know how to watch KO if you don’t get CurrentTV on your cable system? (i.e. via the net?) I went to the Current TV website but all I found were listing for the channel number on various cable systems. (Maybe I didn’t look in the right place.)
Thanks.
Countdown won’t be available online, due to licensing restrictions or some other legal reason. In other words, you need a CurrentTV subscription.
I did discover that by going to CurrentTV’s website I could access a video of KO’s Special Comment tonight. So it appears that parts of the show are available, at least after the fact, on their website.
My beautiful wife warned me two years ago after Obama appointed Geithner and Summers. She wrote a great story at that time about Obama ” The Manchurian Candidate” Ya think? She ofcourse was for Hillary and I know Hillary could not have been worse.
This is what I love about this site, and why it’s my political home on the internet: it pithily tells it like it is, and doesn’t take any bullshit from anyone, including the “Democratic” Party.
When the dems held the house and senate .. and the oval office.. and the majority of the people wanted a public option.. yet the president stood silent and absent.. i suspected something was wrong. When the president passed the obama tax cuts for the rich.. for a few short term crumbs.. i suspected something was wrong. When the greatest theft of wealth in world history was stolen from the american citizens and no one got investigated.. no one went to jail.. and no money was recovered AND some of the prime suspects were promoted to run the fed and the us treasury.. i began to get mad. When obama went after social security.. i suddenly realized.. this guy is a republican. He’s substantially teh same as bush.. with all but the exception of IQ and past criminal activities. Obama stops progressive legislation thru inaction or by compromising any substance in it away.. and.. while doing this he passes the right wing agenda. That is what obama does. Obama is a republican president dispite the misinformation, propaganda and lies that he is a progressive or democrat. Now it’s clear why bush’s criminal regime wasn’t investigated or prosecuted.. It’s clear why the missing trillions from the defense dept hasn’t been investigated (911 “plane” crashed right into the office searching for the lost trillion destroying the records and stopping the investigation). Why goldman sachs seems to be obama’s immediate supervisor in whatever organization obama is working for. Why we’re still occupying other nations. Why gitmo is not closed.. Why Obama pushes a nafta of his own.. Obama is a republican.. wow.. *click* .. it all makes sense now.
frankly unless we pry these republicans out of Washington.. and i mean all of them.. the ones pretending to be dems.. and the public ones.. this country is doomed as we know it.
if someone is for the war or occupation of other nations.. dont vote for them
if someone blocks prevents or stonewalls an investigation of a public official .. don’t vote for them.
if someone allows the purchase or use of electronic voting machines dont vote for them.
if someone is for the patriot act.. don’t vote for them
if someone wants to increase defense spending.. don’t vote for them
if someone wants to cut social programs don’t vote for them
if someone wants tax cuts for the rich.. don’t vote for them
if someone promotes nafta in any of it’s forms.. don’t vote for them.
if someone promotes a one world order.. or attends a secret meeting where the fate of america/americans is/are determined in collusion with agents of other govts.. don’t vote for them.
These people along with obama and the other recent presidents are destroying this country. Personally i don’t believe this is by accident. I don’t think we have had a champion for the people in the white house since JFK was assassinated. I think that’ is when THEY seized power. I think the only reason we haven’t felt the full weight of this coup is the constitution protects us all . so now.. watch.. as they dismantle that.
so yep.. i think the govt is largely already gone.. the voting machines programmed to do the elites counting.. the politicians already working for someone else. the media owned by the ones who are lying to us.. .. only real thing left.. is the people themselves.. including the military sworn to uphold the constitution.. and the constitution… watch while they work to destroy whats left… america was a mistake.. it was never supposed to happen.. people ruling themselves? for the good of all? this cannot be.. so now the slow dismantling.. the economy.. the industry.. now the social welfare systems.. if they tear it down enough.. america will give up its constitution. Did i forget the war on terror? They are still laughing about how easy that one was..
obama is a republican.. whether he has to or not.. whether the rest of the republicans give him something or not.. whether the dems cry out or not.. whether the 14th amendment can save cuts to SS or not, obama is.. and always was.. and WILL cut social security.
Keith Olbermann on Current TV http://current.com/shows/countdown/
Current TV on the net, it streams so you have to watch during the right time, it’s on 8/7c
http://www.justin.tv/crrnttv#/w/1459649744/2
it was here but they are not broadcasting for some reason.
http://readytv.webs.com//?cat=12
Yes. Per the Wikipedia’s entry on Bush Tax Cuts:
thanks, wigwam!
2007-2008 the Banks gambled our money away and destroyed our housing market and our politicians (Dems/Repugs) bailed them out and made sure they kept their millions in bonus money compliments of our tax money.”
Now we will once again rescue our debt on the backs of the “little people.”
Isn’t CAPITALISM great for the ELITE AND CORPORATE POLITICAL WHORES.
Thank you, Jane. We need to start work during the upcoming election cycle to build a new party. Will probably take the rest of my life. But you have been hitting the bullseye all year that Obama is killing the Democratic Party.
I have been gradually unsubscribing to MoveOn, CREDO, PCCC and all other Democratic-dominated “grass roots” operations, because they all still cling to the sadly misguided belief that the Democratic Party gives a flying fuck about the people who are suffering from their flagrant inaction (or “drift” to steal a frame from “Winner Take All Politics”) on jobs and the blatant cruelty of their austerity cuts.
We fought the same losing battle over the FY 2012 budget here in Washington, D.C. where the freakishly corrupt Democratic chair of the DC Council (under investigation by the U.S. Attorney for money-laundering & tax evasion) has adopted purely Republican austerity ideology: no income-tax increases, big increases in bond debt, and cruel cuts in services for the most desperate, poverty-stricken residents.
We all get out to the Primary States and Vote for RON PAUL.
1. Obama has nothing but contempt for “The Left“, as statements by himself and his inner-circle (Robert Gibbs, Rahm Emanuel, Hillary Clinton, Timothy Geithner, etc.) clearly show. He has not moved the political pendulum one single inch in the progressive direction — rather he has aggressively opposed any leftward shift (when he had the Democratic Majorities) and has continually sought to legitmize everything crooked right-wing idea from Perpetual War to “Trickle-Down” Tax-Policy to gutting FDRs social safety net.
2. Ron Paul will do much more to save Social Security and Medicare than Obama and his corrupt Neoconartists ever will, because Ron Paul will stop wasting TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS needlessly Overseas on failed Foreign Occupations, crooked War-Profiteering/Contracting, the endless Bombing of civilians, and failed “National Building”. Ron Paul has said “on the record” that he wants to cut all the War spending first and, unlike his GOP counterparts and unlike Obama, he is not focusing on SS/MC at all. But by saving all those Trillions of dollars — this is the one thing that will change the equation and spare SS/MC from the chopping block.
3. 4 more years of multiple Wars will totally doom SS & MC, and Barry Obama is perfectly happy with that. Obama wants his Wars and Police-State, and he would sooner give Bush a medal-of-honor (he already did that for his crooked CIA father) than repudiate his Foreign Policies.
Ron Paul will also end The Patriot Act, NAFTA, FTTA, GATT, stop human torture, stop the “too big to fail” Corporatism, cutoff the Bailouts, End the crooked Federal Reserve Monopoly, and give us back a Republic without all the corruption, lies, deceit, and looting.
It is in this environment, that SS & MC have the best chance at being continued. But Obama will never ever get us to that place.
didn’t know that, thanks
p.s. does that include the general election?
http://current.com/shows/countdown/