But we’re not at war! We’re in a non-hostile kinetic military action. /s

Thats true democrats oppose war but still always them to support any war like non-war

Really….

It’s information like this that really drags down my hope! for the American people. It’s just all tribalism all the time. Bush’s wars bad, Obama’s wars good.

Come on, progressives, let’s do something about this shit:

http://october2011.org/

I jokingly said “kinetic military action” to a Democrat recently and she had no idea what i was talking about. She works in DC, for a veal pen org.

Shocking. /snark

Most Democrats are hypocrites no real surprises there. I wonder how they would feel if our current President was John McCain and he was doing the exact same thing?

No kidding… and not just the elected pols. I know far too many trad-Dem voters who wax lyrical about Obama, as if he’s the second coming of something or other. How’s the sh*t sandwich working for you, is what I want to ask.

“It is also abundantly clear that our military actions have little to do with protecting civilians, and is now basically about backing one side in a civil war to force regime change.”

No kidding. How do we all keep falling for the old what’s-that-on-your-shirt game? Collective amnesia? Constant exposure to the Two Minutes Hate? Never getting tired of being afraid? Educational conditioning that short-circuits thinking?

“. . . both party’s respective members will rally to defend their presidents even in the face of overwhelming evidence that said wars were a mistake.”

Authoritarianism has no US party affiliation. And them bosses need all the help they can get.

But we’re not at war! We’re in a non-hostile kinetic military action. /s

Good one.

And I can’t believe that Democrats are just as stupid as Republicans. If Bush had done this, they’d be up in arms. Oilbomber does it and they applaud like trained seals.

Those Democrats probably think Libya had ties to 9/11.

Frankly, most of my friends and acquaintances don’t even KNOW that Team USA is at War, Inc with Libya. Don’t know. And when it’s pointed out that THEY are *paying* to bomb the crap outta Libya, which results in dead Libyan people, I get the usual: so what? look.

Frankly, it’s US citizens who are really starting to get under my skin for how lazy, uninvolved, unconcerned and stupid they are. No one really gives a sh*t, no matter which putative party is “in office.” It’s the perfect storm…

Another reason to say, Screw the Democrats! Do you suppose there will ever be a good reason to say, Hooray for the Democrats? I’m not holding my breath.

Blessings

A call to revolution from Chris Hedges.

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/chris-hedges-global-revolution-must-begin-in-america/

Nah. Most Democrats don’t watch FauxSnooze.

So I guess this means that I’m truly NOT a democrat anymore, because I certainly DON’T support any of these shadow wars President Zero is conducting. Free at last! It feels sooo gooooood. . . (:>

So now it’s the Democrats who like killing those scary brown people.

I think the support may have more to do with sympathy for the situation in Libya where the government had turned on the people. Kinda like Egypt.

Small d democrats seem more willing to overlook the Constitutional issues because we have a Democrat in the White House. Most folks around here don’t support that action, but I imagine your run-of-the-mill dem on the street thinks we’re doing a good thing.

I doubt it’s about scary brown people. It’s about standing up to a tyrannical government. Are the better, cheaper, and legal ways to do this? Yes. Therein lies the problem.

I doubt it’s about scary brown people.

Yeah, but that seems to be standard operating procedure around here.

“You can’t fire teachers and cruise missles at the same time” J. Stewart

Have you bothered to talk to any democrats, besides ‘around here’? Find one that supports the bullshit action in Libya and ask them why.

I hope that means the Democratic pool they are using for their sample is getting smaller and smaller.

“You can’t fire teachers and cruise missles at the same time” J. Stewart

I disagree with that quote. You either fire them both at the same time, or (the preferred option) you don’t fire either.

I think Obama really needs to be taken to the woodshed over this since if his definition of “hostilities” stands, it just completely begs for unchecked neo-colonialism. When I heard Obama’s definition of hostilities it made me think of the historical Spanish, British and other european powers colonialism where vastly over-matched firepower essentially allowed for bullying and overtaking countries. Also said attitude would only encourage other countries to militarize so that way the President can’t just waltz right in to their country without Congressional approval. “Hostilities” categorically should not be defined as WE SHOOT AT THEM, BUT THEY CAN’T SHOOT BACK – it’s not just a matter of if our soldiers can get killed, but about having Congress authorize the killing of others…the President shouldn’t be able to unilaterally be able to decide to kill people all around the world.

Røfl.

I’m not surprised the other wing of the war party’s

supporters would generates such numbers.

A recent international law research paper asserts that the people who are being shot at and bombed have a right to be identified each time a drone is used, and that the responsible party and liable party for identifying the victims of drone aggression are primarily those operating the drones, and pulling the triggers. That would mean that the United States has to publicly identify its targets and their names.

A link to the pdf of the research can be found within this article:

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/14996

I wonder how they would feel if our current President was John McCain and he was doing the exact same thing?

That’s easy. They’d be (rightly) screaming for his impeachment for a knowing violation of the War Powers Act.

But as was already mentioned: Democrats are hypocrites.

Wow. Feels very weird, but I gotta go with alan on this one.

That’s a very kind understanding of what our military is doing in Libya, Kris. Not really in touch with reality, but kind.

Oh the Hypocrisy…

Brainwashed Democrats are no better than brainwashed Republicans.

Neither group can think for themselves and both are a menace to the country and the planet.

It’s about standing up to a tyrannical government.

Yes, just like the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

one_outer…

I agree… lets do something.

We cant wait any longer.

This Democrat would be supportive of John McCain’s decision.

Don’t you just love that phrase “kinetic military action”? “Your Honor, I wasn’t beating my wife, I was having a kinetic discussion with her.”

It’s very clear by now that the majority of our fellow liberals are a bunch of unprincipled partisans or personality cultists. They applaud Obama for doing the same things he and they denounced when Bush did them.

The “liberal” punditocracy has done a good job selling the “humanitarian intervention” line since Clinton’s war in Bosnia. The Libyan war was ostensibly sold to the D-Party base by Harvard IR specialist Samantha Power, alongside the bright shiny idea that there were “democratic revolutions” occurring spontaneously all over the mid-east.

(Which there may be, in which case, Cass Sunstein’s new wife will do her level best to f*ck it up).

For some reason, the actual actions of the US in the mid-east hasn’t completely penetrated the liberal ideological fog machine. How a nation that engages in torture and kills civilians with predator drones can also engage in “humanitarian intervention” I’m not twisted enough to figure out.

“Liberal intervention” or “humanitarian intervention” as developed out of Clinton’s war in Bosnia was merely the D-Party refashioning of neo-conservatism to sell unprovoked wars of aggression to its liberal base. This point of connection is perhaps clearest in the work of self described “liberal” and “Islamofascist” meme mongerer, Paul Berman.

Needless to say, this whole “humanitarian intervention” line of rationalization needs to be debunked. The discredited US predator state needs to disengage from ALL military action.

In our spare time we should be reading Hannah Arendt’s “Origins of Totalitarianism.” If you move some of the pieces around– substitute Arabs for Jews, substitute the neo-colonial neo-liberal police state for Stalinism, etc– we have a match.

Only, as opposed to two totalitarian governments, this one is all us.