So just what are the American generals saying they can’t admit we can’t win in Libya or else they would have to admit they can’t win in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is not about winning war it is about waging war endleaa war. The empire needs big force to sustain it.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’re currently engaged in five wars or colonial occupations in the Muslim world — Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and Libya. Why don’t we ditch those military adventures instead of what’s left of our decimated social safety net? And wouldn’t doing so make Muslims less hostile to us and thereby improve our national security?

STOP MAKING SENSE!!!!!!!

The ditto heads and upper 1% won’t stand for that.

I read the headline to this post, and my first thought was:

In other news today, dog bites man, the sky is blue, water is wet.

What else is new??

Any citizen who *believed* that Team USA had some kind of “end game” when Team USA began bombing the crap out of Libya just isn’t paying attention or connecting the dots… or perhaps should just “clap louder for Tinkerbell.”

The MIC has *no intention* to stop waging any war anywhere once it’s begun. Too much CHA-CHING & BLING for the big shots, doncha know???

:)

“Sadly, that is a prediction I did get spectacularly wrong.”

You got the prediction wrong because you’ve either never read Chomsky, or never understood him.

Only an idiot fights a 2 front war if he doesn’t have to only the king of Idiots fights on 5 fronts when he doesn’t have too.

So then 3 wars our generals swore to the President they could win or else they should have resigned their jobs.
But it seems we can’t win….just what do they teach at West Point advanced boot licking and obedience to authority no matter how stupid instead of Sun Tze?

we depressingly had a lot of “liberals” cheering on this Libya war when it started.

I guess Exxon, BP, Shell, et al, will have to wait a little longer before they can take over the country….

You could add that we also support (one way or another) hostile regimes in Saudi Arabia, Barain and Kuwait

Spectacularly and tragically wrong….If we need to be at war (and we don’t) but if that is the country’s decision, there should be a draft. The inequity in the troops going to war is also tragic and mean.

I could see supporting a constitutional amendment that any approve of military action requires a draft and more immediately a 7% across the board increase in the income tax to pay for it.

That should take a lot of them public willingness out of adventurism.

Now wait just a minute. We were told that this exercise was going to be days, not weeks. Are you telling me that I was (gulp) misinformed? That’s just…um…not possible…

Is it?

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Say what?!?

Uh, I fail to see how Halliburton or Lockheed Martin or Exxon would profit off that. So that’s off the table, a non-starter. It makes way, way too much sense if your concern is what is best for most Americans, or people in general.

Fucking duh, dude. /snark

No kidding, and I had some rather “heated” (but polite) debates with several of them.

Once again, folks, just bc Barry Zero *pretends* to be “Democratic” (whatever that means these days), it’s beyond foolish to believe that the kinetic military action in Libya was somehow “justifiable” bc Team USA was just “supporting the people’s revolution.” Dreeeaaaammmmmm ON!

I said from day one: this only about BigOIL, and the chance for the MIC to rip off US taxpayers, whilst killing Muslim foreigners on their home soil… in order to benefit the already obscenely wealthy and powerful.

The Magnificent Mindless ‘Merican Murder Machine or the ” Charlie Manson War Department” ,you decide.

We sure like us some daily killing though, like we’re trying to make the rivers run Red or sumpton.

Jane is on Ratigan!!!!

Like bluewombat, ya gotta stop making sense!!

I could go for what you propose. In theory, I hate the notion of a draft, but at this point, it’s a sensible solution. Let the kids of the rich and powerful go get in harm’s way, and then let’s see how many of these kinetic military actions seem quite so “justified.”

Or five Crusades which is also true.

We bomb them with bombs and bibles.

Yep, and to pay for all the Vet services for PTSD and maiming. Before long we should all be in the streets.

What’s she talking about? The WikiLeaks grand jury and/or the issues with Lynndie England’s friend in the courthouse?

Eh? As you well know, “conservatives” are all “support the troops” when they’re out there in harms way getting killed and maimed. But once the troops come home, they are *On Their Own.”

Sort of like how “conservatives” are all saving the life of a fetus, but once that fetus gets born, all bets are off and that human being is “On Their Own.”

After all that’s what Ayn Rand said, so it must be gospel or something…

Yup The WikiLeaks grand jury!! Boy she always has her Ducks in row!! Go Jane!!!!

After all that’s what Ayn Rand said, so it must be gospel or something…

Bingo. Like how they talked about Adam Smith for years, and years, being against taxes until I started pointing out that he was in favor of progressive taxes

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Hey Mods: What is this crap? Please advise.

Actually anyone paying attention could have predicted this.

Exactly, back on April Fools day, I wrote this…

‘Intervention – Disaster For Libyans’…

Outgoing Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mullen and outgoing SecDef Gates have both stated recently that the place to cut military spending is military pay and benefits, not weapons systems or troop strength. They are particularly disturbed by skyrocketing medical expenses.

Guess why those medical expenses are skyrocketing. It’s because of the wars.

So the way to deal with those skyrocketing medical expenses is to cut medical benefits for soldiers and veterans.

Never mind. During the transition for U.S. SecDef & CIA there will be a new shiny war to distract from Libya. Israel plans to attack Iran.

So the way to deal with those skyrocketing medical expenses is to cut medical benefits for soldiers and veterans.

Heartless bastards!! These Veterans put their life on the line and we Owe them the very best Medical care And benefits!! Of course Gates and Mullen have their “Golden Parachutes” but hell their earned them right?? But the grunts what did they do?? fucked mentality is what they are guilty of!!

*heh* To be more accurate, eCAHN… AIPAC Pushes Hard for War With Iran…

Ooops, just noticed I didn’t hit reply, that was supposed to onitgoes at 21

Like the U.S., Israeli leaders get crazier & crazier. So you can’t rule it out.

Tragically absurd…not like the troops got injured on a ski slope. Have we gone all the way heartlessly crazy? How long have the WW2 been getting care? No complaints…they deserve it. So do these troops.

Thanks for the good read again

I’m not ruling it out one iota…! Hopefully, we can rein in that madness…! 8-(

VA spending is definitely on the ‘chopping block’…!

That was supposed to be a reply to your 24

(too much multitasking for me)

How does the U.S. rein it in? Netayahoo is the master & O is the puppet.

Giraldi’s info that the attack will occur during the transition means that DoD leadership will not have been listening to those generals in the Pentagon who think it’s nuts.

Hey they have already been screwed by the Repukes under shrub with their means testing. My neighbor WWII and Korea Vet was denied coverage because he and his wife were getting too much retirement money fr4on teaching all their lives.. How much more are going to do to our Vets??? Make them all pay for everything?? Oh yeah that is exactly what they want!!

A lot of ex-spooks are screaming at the top of their lungs; VIPS, Grenier, Ghiraldi, Pat Lang, Ray McGovern, etc…! ;-)

Yep. Something’s afoot for sure.

Going back to my book.

BBL.

So you are admitting that The Clown™ has gotten us into a war which we seem to be unable to win, and, on top of that, he went in WITHOUT Congressional approval, and he is in VIOLATION of the War Powers Act. All while he thumbs his nose at Congress so much that a BIPARTISAN group of House members (when do you see Dan Burton, John Conyers, and Dennis Kucinich ever agree on anything?) are suing The Clown™ for violating the US Constitution.

Am I stunned? No. Am I relieved? Probably – because it shows the Left’s hysterical hypocrisy that they are not marching in the streets against this illegal war, and it brings us just a little bit closer to seeing The Clown™ removed from office and sent back to dawdle with his fellow Leftist thugs in Chi-Town.

Holy Orwell, Batman:

The White House says the act requiring approval by Congress doesn’t apply to the Libya operation because what United States forces are doing there doesn’t amount to “hostilities.”

http://nyti.ms/iGDIY3

Nice to know…what do you think hostilities would look like? Is this the country Michelle Obama is now so proud of?

“Holy Orwell, Batman”

I assume you folks who called George W. Bush every name in the book will now commence with the same invective towards Obama.

But I won’t be holding my breath waiting for it.

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Here at FDL that surely seemed the case with some — where are they now?

A Democrat POTUS and WH was so “right” to do what Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice,Feith and Tenet were repeatedly attacked for doing. Barack Obama has not stayed legal by asking Congress to declare a war on Libya nor has he been upfront about the reasons,motives or sought outcome(s) that are driving this Libyan Regime Change/Hegemon Imposition.

During the days that preceded the imposition of UN rubber stamped Libyan NFZ the jingoism was running hot for the need to “do” R2P and humanitarian intervention in Libya by American military force(s). If the Europeans wanted to do so was their business. The use of NATO to cloak WashingtonDCs fingerprints or to create misdirection since then is plainly evident.

Since those heady days of American Do Gooderism by American Good Guys and their puppets in NATO the nature of the origins now seem less about R2P and much more about Dollar Hegemony,Regime Change,Oil War and Corporate Colonization. These Libyan Rebels? Seem more to be a CIA spun conjure.

Several people here at FDL were adamant about Obama WH doing Libyan NFZ.

Where are they now to defend what they so adamantly sought and promoted?

Barack Obama has been such a Champion Humanitarian since Jan.20,2009 in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Barack Obama — The Champion of Doing Right and Good in Iraq.

How many innocents and children has Barack Obama ordered/condoned being/getting killed again via Land Attacks and Air War/Drone Attacks?

In Afghanistan? Pakistan? Yemen? POTUS Obama had/has R2P/humanitarian/human rights credentials for Libya NFZ? Really?

POTUS Obama(D) surely is a Great Humanitarian. A Paragon of Human and American Compassion and Mercy. Fact? Lie? Or American propaganda?

So who are these Libyan Rebels? Does anyone know? Seem to likely be a CIA conjured Libyan regime change artifice.

William Astore has a spot on piece up at TomDispatch.com and also currently in FDL Diaries regarding American Militarism. He gets very close to the middle of what has gone very wrong in post WW2 USA. A worthy read.

Thanks Jon Walker for circling back to Libyan Attack and Regime Change. It smelled early on and the smell of it’s rotted premises are difficult to avoid moreso now. When or where does it end? See William Astore’s piece about American Militarism which very likely reveals the reasons why it will not end anytime soon or open upon any just solution that ever justified the start of this illegal American warmongering.

The best way for a legislature to convince fellow citizens – whose resources and safety net are being torn to shreds by that legislature – that defense and spying industries cannot possibly suffer lower budgets is to keep sending them to war. Who besides George Bush could contemplate cutting a fire department’s budget when they are in the midst of putting out fires all across town?

Time to get out of Libya.

I think we’re going to have to start counting Palestine too since we’re paying for it, it’s our equipment, and we’ve got boots on the ground.

Any citizen who *believed* that Team USA had some kind of “end game” when Team USA began bombing the crap out of Libya just isn’t paying attention or connecting the dots… or perhaps should just “clap louder for Tinkerbell.”

I think the endgame was to have a new shinny war to distract voters from the economy.

“Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’re currently engaged in five wars or colonial occupations in the Muslim world..”

You’re wrong.

You left out the occupation of Palestine, since Israel is just our client state.

I hate the notion of a draft, but at this point, it’s a sensible solution. Let the kids of the rich and powerful go get in harm’s way, and then let’s see how many of these kinetic military actions seem quite so “justified.”

I have a difficult time believing a draft, in this gilded age, will put any kids of the rich and powerful go get in harm’s way.
More likely, just force the poor to go.

Since Obama thinks Weiner should resign over lying about sexting, doesn’t that mean that Barrak “Days Not Weeks” Obama should resign over lying about Libya?

“More likely, just force the poor to go”

We’ve gone from one chickenhawk to another.

I remember that well. It was the only moral thing to do you know and all we had to do was set up a no fly zone. Ah but don’t despair, Quadaffi will be gone soon, I feel it in my bones.

…since Israel is just our client state.

I’d argue we’re the client state…! ;-)

The Libyan War another successful psy-ops mission on the American public to go to war and fatten the pockets of the profiteers of war.

For lying over Libya, Barack Obama and his army of well-fed lawyers (on carrion) have earned my infinite contempt.
Send Obama and his carrion-sniffing dogs to Libya to see what “hostilities” really are.

“You left out the occupation of Palestine, since Israel is just our client state.”

More anti-Semitic blather.

Can you people get off your Jew-hatred and blood libel for once?