In his blog post point out the incredible stupidity of Joe Lieberman’s idea to shrink Medicare, Paul Krugman produces this very nice chart showing not only that government run health insurance is much cheaper than private insurance, but also has much slower growth rate.

This is of course why if our political leaders actually cared about reducing the deficit they would be talking about simply expanding Medicare instead of cutting it.
Medicare can provide the same level of benefits for roughly 25 percent less than private insurance companies. We also know from the health care debate that the CBO and JTC assume any reduction in companies spending on tax exempted health insurance benefits will result in more tax revenue through either higher wages or business profits. Simply opening up Medicare and allowing companies to buy into it would by itself would produce hundreds of billions in deficit reduction. In addition replacing the foolish new private insurance exchanges creating by the Affordable Care Act with a Medicare style program would also reduce the deficit by a few hundred billion.
Going even farther and fully expanding Medicare into a single payer health care system for everyone should bring our health care cost down towards international standard that would basically eliminate any long term deficit concerns.
Expanding Medicare is idea that would fulfill their stated goal of reducing the deficit while both helping millions better afford their health care and not cutting aid to the old, disabled and poor. Of course it isn’t being discussed because those currently demanding immediate austerity have repeatedly proven with their passed actions this isn’t about the deficit. The deficit is just the latest excuse to help the rich while take away services from regular people in the name of austerity.





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Yup. It is all about shifting costs from government to individuals.
Those cost savings through Medicare represent reduced profits to powerful insurance companies and medical services industry. Meanwhile, the average American sees costs rise to unaffordable, if they aren’t already.
Every time wall street sees the government doing something without an unneeded private middleman, a bankster sheds a tear.
And every time a bankster sheds a tear Satan weeps.
Joe’s with us on everything except the
warNew Deal and Great Society.This is going to sound harsh but I think edur is right on to name people as Lieberman the “¢ORPORATE KILLER ¢LOWN$” (June 13, 2011). So, I think there should be a plan to put Lieberman on permanent swing shift pushing a broom rather than allowing him to continue to be a Big Top star barker for War Without End™ and colonialism.
We have a government that is blatantly attacking it’s people. What would be expected but this?
The deficit is phoney-O, but if they keep it up with MR O continually cutting payrolls taxes from both sides, they’ll get there and be able to legitimately say it’s broke.
Krugmans title is:
Then he compares Medicare and private insurance which are both payment devices, he doesn’t even address health care costs.
You are correct and find a way to deprive him of attention….he would already be a goner if he had not been the Veep pick….So sad.
Droopy Dog wants badly to be part of the R’s Insane Clown Posse but they won’t let him in…poor holy joe. He can’t be gone soon enough.
I still recall how poorly he did agst Cheney in the Veep debate…should have been a walk, and he caved. I thought it was stage fright; now I think his clumsiness was probably intentional. Farce….
health care costs eliminate any disposable income…look at today’s retail sales report
I think by now we all know WHY Lieberman was picked, in case Gore actually won, there was a DINO behind him if he got all JFK on everybody
completely staged ,he is a murderous tool
people are dying
And his wife is in health care pocket, isn’t she? I could be confused.
2nd wife…yes knee deep
we need to confront these sociopaths ,with pictures of corpses,like in a murder trial
Since Medicare is currently 44% funded by general revenues (income taxes), I’m not seeing how expanding it is going to save money without a serious medicare tax increase on the non-rich.
I am still waiting for Obama to declare an economic emergency and enable everyone who is jobless or cannot afford health insurance (or has been rejected) to “opt-in” to Medicare. Simple, effective.
hey congresscritters ,guvs …how may did ya kill today
if i had a lot of$$$ id start a body counter in times square
Austerity kills:
Death by Budget Cut: Why Conservatives and Some Dems Have Blood on Their Hands
There is no room for compromise when dealing with budget cuts that will surely cost innocent lives.
America is doing to it’s citizens what other countries do by bomb and bullets, we’re doing it through economic warfare.
And I am not saying parity, but we are doing a similar maiming to our kids by cutting and gutting public schools; should be a crime, something like child abuse.
Yet forcing women to have more of them.
This society and civilization are on the verge of total collapse…..everywhere
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66
medicare for all….oldies,youngsters…everybody
period
too simple to happen
Not sure I get your point or read the chart correctly, but TX would look different, I assume, or will.
Yes, the chart only goes to 2008, and it sounds like there will be cuts in TX this year, but considering the inflation adjusted increases over the last 30 years, we all seemed to have gotten a good education with less back in my day.
Not true, Jon Walker. Not true. If you cared at all for profiteers more than the American people, you’d know that this statement is patently untrue.
And now TX is preparing to offer the opportunity to let families pay for pre-school…Scrooge, don’t you see?
Second.
People are so uncaring about corporate profits.
It’s just sad those who never pulled themselves up by their bootstraps don’t care about corporate profits. So what if you have no boots. So what if they stole your boots. They’re teaching you how to fish, no?
Legalized bribery and legalized theft are the new Amerika. Now stop living in the past and go steal from others, ie. the new Amerikan ideal.
/s
Someone needs to tell Krugman that the situation is worse than his charts show because they are a bit apple and oranges – those cost per bene numbers need to be age adjusted because more than half of all medical expense is in the over 65 crowd – things break down as you get old. The HHS data he sourced to does not give this and the Office of the Actuary no longer looks at non government programs – or at least does not publish that research.
So if one takes the medical care events and payments under Medicare – and compare to the same under private insurance for the under 65 population – the difference is very large – approaching double – 55% to 2/3rds of which actually reaches the doctors so they can say that private insurance pays them better than Medicare.
It takes effort to hide the rip-off that is private Health Insurance – and to keep government from studying that rip-off. A bit like the energy inputs and costs to making corn a fuel to replace oil – it is information that the media – or the owners of the media – just does not want to know.
This illustrates the problem w/ Krugman. He never labels the ordinate (vertical axis) in any of his charts and graphs, never provides units, and never provides citations, so they’re completely useless in argument w/ skeptics or agnostics. I had a similar discussion w/ one of my co-workers and would have loved to have had a properly labeled graph, but noooo, Krugman thinks he’s talking to math illiterates. Oh, and by the way, it looks to me that private insurance is about 30% higher, not 25%.
This also solves the “longevity problem.” Keep raising Medicare eligibility age and us old parasites won’t live long enough to exhaust the Social Security trust fund. Plus, the Banksters won’t have to implement those politically difficult Government Death Panels.