Yves Smith touched off a furious debate this weekend with her blog post on how the Roosevelt Institute, the Center for American Progress and the Economic Policy Institute accepted Pete Peterson’s money to develop a “package of solutions” for closing the federal deficit and present them at the Peterson Foundation’s annual Fiscal Summit. Smith asserted that the participation of ostensibly liberal think-tanks in the effort legitimized the “fiscal crisis” narrative, and in the case of the Roosevelt Institute, meant that “the arch-enemy of Social Security, Pete Peterson, rented out the good name of Franklin Delano Roosevelt” to further his goals of slashing the social safety net.
Andrew Rich of the Roosevelt Institute, Matt Yglesias at the Center for American Progress and Larry Mishel of EPI all asserted that Smith’s concerns were unfounded, and aggressively defended the liberal integrity of the plans submitted by their respective organizations. So I decided to take a closer look at the policies in the budgets submitted by each organization. I found the plans offered by the three “progressive” organizations more disappointing than I have ever guessed.
Peterson cherry picked his participants wisely. All three “liberal” groups totally abandoned the proven progressive health care policy that could fully fix any deficit problem.
While Medicare and Medicaid are technically what drives government spending, they are not the problem. They are both dramatically more cost effective than our broken private insurance system, which is what is actually driving all our health care cost radically higher than the rest of the industrialized world. The projected deficit is due mainly to historically low tax rates, massively unnecessary military spending and most importantly a totally broken health care system.
The “progressive” solution to our current health care problems has historically been to copy the models of nations with cheaper and more efficient systems: it could be fixed by adopting the progressive solutions of socialized medicine (VA for all), or single payer (Medicare for all). If those are “too big a change,” most of the benefits of single payer can be replicated following the model of countries like Germany and Japan and adopting all-payer, where the government plays a role in setting uniformed reimbursement rates that all private insurance companies most pay. Adopting any of these models would effectively eliminate our long term deficit.
Yet none of the three “liberals” deficit plans even come close to calling for any of these proven progressive solutions for health care. Only one of them, EPI, includes a moderately strong public option. “Tort reform” gets more play than single payer.
The Roosevelt Institute plan for health care:
- Adopt bundled payments through Medicare.
- Limit awards for medical malpractice torts.
- Institute a public option, controlling non-Medicare costs to 3 percent of GDP.
- Fund comparative effectiveness research, then automatically implement recommendations.
- Require Medicare to directly negotiate for price with drug manufacturers.
- Enact a permanent “doc fix” with 0 percent update through 2035
- Adopt a regionally competitive model for Medicare fees and payments. Rather than having a national system for fee and payment updates, we will direct CMS to begin updating these payments each year only by region. Payments will vary based on increased cost per capita, but they will average out to GDP plus 1 percent. After 2021, they will average out to grow with GDP. To claw back the cost of a permanent doc fix, physicians’ fees will update at an average rate of GDP minus 3 percent until 2021, after which they will update with GDP.
- Repeal the health insurance industry’s monopoly exemption, increase price transparency, and allow states to pool insurance markets. We will permanently repeal the monopoly exemption for insurance companies, allowing the Department of Justice to undertake any necessary and applicable investigations that apply under American competitiveness clauses. We will allow states to pool their insurance markets through mutual agreement, allowing them to aggregate their market power.
Note that the Roosevelt Institute plan doesn’t even call for what became the significant progressive compromise from single payer in the health care debate, an immediate public option. Instead, it calls only for a “trigger” that might make a public option available at the earliest by 2022 if cost continue to increase. If a robust public option can significantly reduce the deficit, which the CBO has concluded, what possible justification exists for waiting a decade to use it? So the Roosevelt Institute plan to reduce the deficit is to needlessly waste a few hundred billion dollars.
Center for American Progressive Plan for health care:
First, the Affordable Care Act currently exempts certain health care providers—most significantly hospitals—from any actions taken by the IPAB. [...]
Second, adding a public health insurance option to the new health care exchanges that will be up and running in 2014 would create competition in insurance markets, serve as a model for payment innovation, and put pressure on private plans to bring their costs down. Consumers purchasing health insurance in the health care exchanges could buy into a public option if they choose, or opt for private health insurance plans. Payment rates by the public health insurance plan to health care providers will not be tied to Medicare’s payment rates in our plan, making it a so-called “weak” public option. Instead, the public insurance plan would negotiate with health care providers in the same manner as private-sector plans.
Third, our plan requires that health insurance exchanges act not simply as
clearinghouses but as “active purchasers,” a health-policy term for exchanges that
set standards. [...]
- A Medicare rebate program, requiring Medicare to negotiate reduced pharmaceutical prices as is already required of Medicaid
- Reduced graduate medical education payments to tie Medicare payments to hospitals with teaching programs more closely aligned to actual training costs
- Enhanced home health savings to accelerate payment reforms already required by the Affordable Care Act
- Additional health care savings identified in President Obama’s 2012 budget
Our failsafe would be triggered if, starting in 2020, total health care expenditures— not just those in the public sector—grow at a rate faster than that of the economy itself. Should that happen, we would empower the Independent Payment Advisory Board—subject to the same congressional review process as exists currently in the health care law—to extend successful reforms in the public sector to all insurance plans offered in the health care exchanges, and then potentially to all health care plans, such that the target is met.
The CAP plan doesn’t even call for a robust public option or a medicare buy-in. CAP is literally leaving hundred of billion in saves on the table by calling for a weak public option that would produce only a fraction of cost savings of even modestly strong public option.
I’m going to be extremely generous to CAP and interrupt this 2020 failsafe as eventually, possibly calling for something sort of like a weak all-payer in the distant future. This is crazy. All-payer has proven to be a success for decades in other countries with hospital rates in Maryland. If your objective is reducing the defecit, again there is no reason wait another decade before considering a weak version of a proven solution.
The Economic Policy Institute solution for health care:
We propose the following policies to increase the efficiency of health care delivery by improving care while lowering costs:
- Establish a “public option” of government-provided health coverage—similar to Medicare—to complement health care reform by reining in costs while expanding access.
- Allow the Medicare program to negotiate prescription drug prices.
- Encourage caregivers to coordinate patient care by bundling Medicare payments for post-acute care, leading to better health outcomes and reduced cost.
- Enhance the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services program integrity authority, pursue other Medicare and Medicaid savings, and strengthen prescription drug reforms—building on the recently passed health care reform to promote savings and efficiency.
I will comment EPI for making the only actually reference to single payer or all payer in all three liberal deficit plans. Unfortunately the extent of it was, “Some have also suggested that a single payer system would be the most effective form of cost containment economy-wide, noting that other countries with a single payer system also have much lower costs.” People like Dr. William Hsiao, who determined that if Vermont adopted single payer it would result in a 25% reduction in total health care spending in the state.
I’m glad “some” feel this way but just apparently not EPI or the other two “liberal” groups.
Incredibly Timid Reform
In isolation many of these ideas are nice, but the totality of them is incredibly timid. Yes, we could save some money if Medicare negotiated directly for drug prices for seniors, but everyone could save significantly more money if Medicare negotiated lower drug prices for everyone through a single payer system or all-payer.
Given that as a country we probably spend $500 billion more a year than we need to on health care, is it truly depressing that these so-called progressive groups have totally abandoned even talking about a proven solution to our deficit and health care issues.
On an international level I would go so far as to say these three liberal health care plans are all significantly to the right of basically even center-right party in the rest of the industrialized world on health care.
If these constitute the “left flank” of the political discussion around the pressing issue of health care costs in America, we as a country are screwed.




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A couple million bucks more in the kitty was more important than the truth. The Kochroaches pay for economics professors at FSU and Pete Peterson pays for bullshit out of so-called liberal think tanks. Apparently a fat paycheck trumps integrity and credibility. Just a few more assholes to deal with.
Of course the truly interesting issue is that THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT.
Oh ya, they do. Their paychecks depend on it.
When the PTB bought the Dims and the DNC, they effectively bought the “left”.
This is the new left.
And like the right, they also moved even more right.
Is it a “center-right” country now? Or is it just a “right” country now? Who knows? Who cares? It’s time to get paid.
And what could be more Amerikan than that.
Thanks for looking into it, Jon; ‘timid’ is right. I’d been reviewing the Wiki piece on ‘the Overton Window’ just before Yves put up her original post at NC; wow. Closing and closing…
Oh: and you meant: “I commend EPI”, not “I comment EPI…” in your fifth to the last paragraph. Small deal, but…
Big Trouble
this is NOT so. (unless we become an net exporter nation and that’s not about to happen for a number of reasons).
*** attempting to eliminate our long term deficit is the frame that makes progressive policies impossible. ***
this is the frame that the peterson foundation insists on and this is the frame that RI, CAP, and EPI’s participation in the peterson foundation fiscal summit gave legitimacy to.
most importantly, the progressive economists who know this is a false frame are excluded from the discussion if we let the peterson foundation be the arbiter of the limits of the conversation (h/t jane hamsher).
Yeah, I no longer care if we liberals spend our lives in the wilderness, this one is done with compromise & triangulation. Without being true to our principles we are nothing. Dammit. Thanks, Jon, for your post…
We are screwed.
Does anyone have the clip of Petey Peterson on Bravo, the alleged vampire’s grandson.
“Tort reform” is a bland misdescription typically sold by the right. It doesn’t lower the costs for bad driving that injures a pedestrian or a vehicle’s driver or passenger; at least, that’s not its primary purpose. It lowers the cost for professionals and corporations when they fail to meet minimum standards of conduct expected in a civil society.
That automatically lowers those standards and pushes the costs away from corporations and professionals – and their insurers – and onto the innocent public, which is unaware of the risks or unable to control the factors that cause damage in the first place. Not coincidentally, that also lowers the fee income of plaintiffs’ lawyers, who statistically support Democrats more than Republicans.
More alarmingly, it further closes the courthouse door, the ability to right wrongs through the public courts, to those not wealthy enough to pay a lawyer $100-500/hour to fight for their rights and to recover costs that logically and legally should be paid by the actor who caused the damage in the first place. Often, tort “reform” includes mandatory binding arbitration.
In Texas, for example, that usually means taking a home buying dispute with a builder or realtor to an arbitration panel paid for and run by builders and realtors. Put another way, this is another Texification of the legal, regulatory and societal landscape to help the wealthy keep and build their wealth. The poor and middle class pay for it, as they do with other forms of Texification.
In Chicago School jargon, “tort reform” is an attempt to externalize the costs of excessive behavior onto innocents who are unaware of the risks of that behavior or unable to reduce or avoid their costs by modifying their behavior. That is, by providing services to a higher standard, by not acting recklessly, by not dumping poisons or selling unsafe products.
Tort liability is an incentive to stop damaging society through high-risk behavior. Lower or remove that liability, and you encourage higher risk behavior, because those causing damage are not liable to pay for it. It is like giving a drunken George Bush, Jr., a license to drink and drive, to keep running his company into the ground while damaging those who do business with it.
If tort reform were described as a license to sell harmful or dangerous products, to provide shoddy services, to dump poisons onto the beach or into the yards in a gated community, or to drive Mercedes or Porsche SUV’s at 100 mph through a school zone, it might not be as popular even on the right.
The process of imposing liability on dangerous or harmful behavior might need reform. Lowering the costs of engaging in it by shifting the costs of it to innocents is not a way to do it. It only makes it profitable and gives us more of it. Ask BP, the AMA and the ABA.
The Roosevelt Institute’s behavior isn’t all that far away from their namesake. It was FDR who saved capitalism and the wealthy from the very real prospect of true American socialism.
It is madness to know of the existence of obvious solutions and pretend they don’t exist.
Science has been co-opted to serve the powerful for at least 50 years. Economists are not immune from corporate money exploiting their credentials to advance their agenda. The “liberals at CAP, Roosevelt, and EPI might deny that Peterson’s patronage has no influence on their research, but history doesn’t bear this out.
The playbook to buy and manipulate public opinion through scientific studies originated from oil & tobacco industries. This history and framework is chronicled in “Merchants of Doubt” by Oreskes & Conway. Read this interview with Oreskes. “The Invention of Lying” at the American Prospect. It’s exactly the same game Peterson is playing with the think tanks.
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_invention_of_lying
Incorrect, and demonstrably so. It’s quite rational and makes good business sense, as your article shows.
And while we’re talking about ways to save the country, anything that doesn’t include ending the Federal Reserve is doomed to eventual failure.
Until we can throw off the chains of the private bankers from the body of our nation’s economy we’re all debt slaves.
While I’m concerned about the behavior of these ostensibly progressive organizations, and the cluelessness of their executives, I have to say I find it much less mysterious than the continuing silence of the business community as they watch their customers, the American middle-class being systematically impoverished.
I’m not talking about the faux-business community, the fake Chamber of Commerce types; I’m talking about the Main st. guys, Automobile Dealers, Home Builders and Main St. Retailers of all types.
All these businesses rely on consumer spending; they are all burdened by the rising cost of healthcare.
When are they going to come to their senses and see that drowning the government in the bathtub has the effect of impoverishing their customer base?
When are they going to wake up to the fact that the MOTU are using/hiding behind them?
I’m even more surprised that ‘real’ businessmen continue to support the bat-shit-crazy policies that ensure the demise of their way of life by robbing their customers of the income necessary to purchase their products.
If they hate the poor so much, why do they insist on supporting policies that will clearly end up impoverishing us all?
I can understand think-tank types losing their way, and getting lost in all that thinking, but I can’t understand how supposedly clear-headed business types can fail to see the foolishness inherent in attacking their customers.
These so called liberal think tanks have been infiltrated by neo-”liberals” that have a corporatist agenda, same as President Putty.
The business community is wearing its usual blinders. It sees only short term gain, the magic of financial imagineering, and the fantasy that whatever business is lost in the US can be made up in a mythical China or other offshore market.
Apparently it was saved so that fascism could eventually prevail.
Note that the “moral hazard” the right trumpets when it comes to bankruptcy write-downs for credit card debt and first mortgages on homes isn’t touted much when it comes to the moral hazard of lowering liability for negligent, reckless or intentionally harmful corporate and professional conduct.
I know we’re on the same page here, so don’t get me wrong, but how exactly does a Main St. Auto dealer imagine he’s going to benefit from GM’s building and selling cars in China?
It makes me think that the business people I’m talking about are just as delusional as any Tea-Partier, and that’s pathetic.
Starving geese, let alone dead ones, do not lay golden eggs.
All three “liberal” groups totally abandoned the proven progressive health care policy that could
fully fix any deficit problem.provide universal healthcare without significantly increasing our total national healthcare expenditures.fixed it for you, jon!
I guess this group thinks it’s in business only long enough to flip it, cash out and move to mainland China.
Absolutely Jon.
Even more so when not only is the existence of obvious solutions available, but reams and reams of data of it’s actual USE is available to prove that it does exactly what we claim to need.. cut overall costs, increase access, improve overal medical outcomes. (Although it should be added here that single payer alone won’t solve the cost issue. It will, however, dramatically improve it.)
Madness.
I’ll just add that it’s sort of like trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Because that’s exactly what Obamacare does. It continues the same basic health care delivery, merely attempts to increase access with subsidies, while not addressing cost at all.
Insanity.
We, as a country, are screwed.
the deficit is NOT a problem to be fixed. please take a look at the diary i just posted:
Stephanie Kelton: What Happens When the Government Tightens its Belt?
none of this undermines the excellent point that progressive solutions to our countries healthcare crisis should at least include something like single payer (if not a VA model).
if single payer was not on a progressive agenda and not cap, not epi (who partcipated, i hope in good faith, if not good judgement with the hacker/po neoliberal con) and worst of all not RI at least discussed it… then that is another good reason we need some better progressive think tanks.
Tom Tomorrow’s cartoon of April 13 is relevant again, encore, yet, still…
http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2011/04/language-is-a-virus-2/
Actually, your comment illustrates what might be the major failing of the left: Its virtual total inability to see that, in fact, virtually all human behavior is quite rational given the circumstances of the people behaving as they do.
Generally, people fall back on easy bromides such as “people are stupid” or “human nature sucks” to explain behavior they don’t understand. But these mythologies are virtually never true. In fact, people are basically good and rational.
When EPI (or whoever) takes money, or people watch American Idol instead of reading Chomsky, or whatever, they’re not doing it because they’re stupid or bad — essentially never. A truly honest and powerful left capable of moving mountains will be one that understands this. Since the extant left doesn’t, however, it isn’t.
You should ask yourself how a good, rational person can take corporate money. It would give you real insight into how the world works.
However, since someone will ask … you run a left-wing organization dedicate to cause X. What’s your primary goal? You will probably answer X, and you most likely really believe this. But X is not your primary goal. Your primary goal is always the sustainability — meaning the cash flow — of your organization. That doesn’t make you a bad person, and your goal partially makes sense — without money, your organization ceases to exist.
This need for money dominates your thinking, even as you very likely continue to honestly believe (you’d pass a foolproof polygraph if one existed) your real goal is X. And you want — need — to see yourself as a good person, of course.
An opportunity for a large influx of cash comes along. Without an organization properly structured to maximize its ability to resist taking this cash (the subject of a whole ‘nother essay, but it involves participatory economics), and without radical theory sufficient to understand the world, it becomes very easy to convince yourself that taking the money is the right thing to do. After all, you really believe your goal is X and that taking the money will help you achieve X.
Once organizations reach a certain scale, they always behave this way, without exception. If FDL reaches such a size, it will too. The only (long-term) solution is pareconish organizations, but in the short term no one will fund these sufficiently.
So, for now at least, FDL is probably the “sweet spot” marrying sufficient radicalism with sufficient ability to raise money. But in the long run, FDL will sell out and need to be replaced by something more radical. And everyone who is a member or owner or manager or whatever of FDL will continue to be good and rational people.
Oh MAN that is… PERFECT!
Thanks for the link!
Bulls eye on the “tort reform” bullshit, Earl. I’ve seen the destroyed lives of the human beings on the short end of this stick. That’s part of the reason why I think it’s time to look at piercing the corporate veil if not revoke corporate personhood altogether as the corporate entity (typically c corps and especially the trans-nationals with their paid and bought for treaties) is now the ultimate zero-sum game machine literally consuming the other 98% of us for the benefit of the sociopsychopathic 1%.
{ Jeez. The timeliness of Tom Tommorrow! }
An understanding that also puts all of World War II in a very different light.
Instead of being a fight to protect or save people, it was simply a turf war between different fascist factions.
…
And as a psychological study, the violent (very) U.S. reaction to “the threat of global fascism” (and later “global communism”) was just the U.S. encountering and reacting to its own shadow material. It saw itself in the mirror, but like an animal with no understanding it was seeing itself it reacted first with fear then with unimaginable violence (which is of course one of the very things to which it was reacting with such hatred and terror).
The encounter with our shadow continues today with the U.S. war to save the world from “the threat of global terrorism.”
“clear headed business types”?!! That’s your main mistake that leads to your confusion.
Many business leaders are very myopic and also lashed to not questioning the fundamentals of a broken system at all costs. Small businesses especially. They concentrate on what gets their business running in their local market and resent any expense, such as taxes, etc. They really are no better at connecting the bigger dots of what makes a healthy society than the majority of the schlubs in this country. Some do understand this and speak out, but remember the first cause–they are dependent on the system. Hard to run a business and call for a change to the fundamentals.
This is the real failure of Obama and so many politicians who should know better. They do not articulate what is needed to make a healthy society. Either they are similarly ignorant, or compromised sellouts or sociopaths. The last two, I think, is the more likely.
and so do we, every time we try to justify progressive health care policy (or any progressive policy), not by the benefits of the policy, but instead on a false understanding of federal deficit spending. that’s why i made the comments above.
let’s not, even with the best of intentions, legitimize the “fiscal crisis” narrative further. it is false and it is anti-progressive.
You are right, we are screwed. Saw Steny Hoyer this morning joking with his good pal Joe Scarburough. He was saying that everything was on the table including Medicare benefits cuts. The Dems just aren’t going to terminate Medicare. Now that is change you can believe in.
Just so. It was a thread here many moons ago that Selise introduced me to Modern Monetary Theory.
As a practical matter, every dollar allocated towards deficit reduction is a dollar that is not available to address critical govt spending needs. What President Eisenhower said during the Cold War about defense spending could be said about deficit reduction plans:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
Yes, the multi-national corporations are hoping to get customers in the developing countries–main street has only those of us here in America as customers. When we’re all broke, so are they.
It’s frustrating to be one of the few who gets it, no?
beowulf! i didn’t know you heard about mmt from me? (if that’s true, and even though i’m sure you would have found it on your own, it does give me a little more determination to keep at it!).
your contributions (at mosler’s and elsewhere) especially imo to ways around our apparent political barriers (treasury minting a platinum coin, for example) have been truly outstanding!
well, i think i get it (at least a little bit), but maybe i’m wrong… been wrong lots of times before.
what i find so very frustrating (as in buy-advil-stock frustrating), is to keep saying the same thing and be ignored like i’m the crazy person on the street corner.
this is really important!
if i’m wrong then at least show me why and i’ll stop wasting my time and everyone else’s.
but if there’s a chance i’m right, then damn-it-all, don’t keep ignoring the message and as a result to the very same thing CAP, RI and EPI are being accused of.
……
thanks sapphirebulletsofpurelove (great handle, btw)!
Jon, could you please go over in the comments to that piece of dreck The Roosevelt Institute has been allowed to post at My FDL [and which has been front-paged] and slap down their crap?
i called bullshit (as are many other commenters) to the RI post (both here and originally at nd2.0), but i BEG you and jon to read my comment @29 above before using the deficit argument on the RI thread. thanks!
Well said but I’d say the system to which you point is now so streamline, modular, distributed, and near real-time that there’s no need to bother with the intermediate steps you mention as the MIC just mass-targets the hungry and the naked of the world with the drones and DU (as well as some obsolete armaments the MIC wants to trash in order to justify more systems automation). The military personnel have been repurposed for spying and “policing.”
“As a practical matter, every dollar allocated towards deficit reduction is a dollar that is not available to address critical govt spending needs. ”
But, wait. I thought MMT meant we could just print the money to pay for both. Why would we have to choose one or the other if that is the case?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
The real budgets I would like to see are the budgets for how these three organizations spent $200,000 to produce these documents. I would like to see how many people got jobs out of it, new computers, etc.. This is how organizations are corrupted. There is no way that it took more than a few people kicking around these ideas for a weekend to come up with these proposals.
good point!
Money talks.
I like how my earlier comments are both “awaiting moderator approval.” Too radical for you?
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it- Upton Sinclair