At a recent meeting with House Democrats, President Obama shot down the members’ hopes that he might step up his rhetoric against the Republicans. He’s concerned how the markets would react to his statements. From Huffington Post:
Obama also told the assembled Democrats not to count on more fiery rhetoric from the Oval Office.
“He said, ‘There’s a difference between me and a member of Congress,’” another lawmaker said, paraphrasing the president as saying: “When I say something the markets react, all of society reacts, other countries react. I’ve got to be careful with what I say. I can’t just say it for brinkmanship. I’ve got to say it in a way so that I get what I want said, but I don’t upset markets and so on.”
While in isolation, concern about the weight the President’s words carry isn’t unusual; but looked at in the context of all the actions of the last two years, it is more evidence that a major problem with the Obama administration has been far too much emphasis on short term stock market improvements.
For example, the administration brought banks back to healthy stock prices, but has done too little (or in the case of HAMP, more harm than good) to address the massive ongoing mortgage problems that were at the heart of the collapse. I also suspect that months ago, the administration put too much faith in the “green shots” of improving stock prices as proof of an economy starting to recover and assumed they could safely pivot to the issue of the long term deficit. But with a double dip in home prices and a terrible May jobs report, that pivot was disastrously too early.





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Pretty disheartening to hear Obama mention (twice) the prominence of market-think in his comments, if they are correct as reported. Not a huge surprise, but still, the president avoiding making hard choices and tought statements because he’s afraid of ‘market reactions’.. maybe why he was afraid to get behind single payer
Doesn’t this also explain why he was so keen to reappoint “B-52″ Ben?
Of course “the markets” will react badly if he lets the Bush tax cuts expire. “The markets” are always going to prefer crony-capitalist GOP policies. But in the long run market levels are not going to be based on an emotional response to what the president says or does. He needs to lead and represent the interests of those who voted for him.
Repeat after me, President Obama, the market is not the economy. Before deregulation, it was in a symbiotic relationship with the economy, but now it is a parasitical cancer feeding off an ever-weakening host.
Fareed Zakaria right now hosting CNN show on Innovation. If we want good media, not the same ol’ shoot ‘em ups and media darlings like Gaga and Palin and good ol’ boy tawdry sex scandals, then we need to participate.
We need to tune in.
Well, at least he is being honest in saying who really controls the US govt, and who the govt, that was formerly ours, needs to support and bow down to.
Kudos Obama. You never cease to disappoint the masses.
It has become increasingly clear that Obama waits until the trend is established and then gets behind the trend and says I was alway there for you guys (the winning side). Obama’s capacity to create a movement and a direction is about nil.
Pairing Mr. Obama and “fiery rhetoric” aimed at banks, corporations or Republicans – who vilify Mr. Obama on a daily basis – is a contradiction in terms. The only “fiery rhetoric” he or his White House uses is when it comes time to bash those who voted for him.
The last person in the parade gets to clean up the elephant poop and Obama is certainly not leading the parade. You can’t say that he is a politician who constantly has his finger in the wind because if he did he would be doing exactly the opposite of what he is doing. I have given up trying to figure out what he is and why.
Voiced concern for the markets is a rhetorical device, a distraction, a lie comparable to claiming that the most important feature of tax cuts is job creation rather than lowering the burden on the already wealthy.
Mr. Obama is incapable of using fiery rhetoric, certainly not against Republicans, with whom he agrees more often than he agrees with what used to be his base. He won’t use it against Republicans because, unlike his base, he wants their approval.
“I also suspect that months ago, the administration put too much faith in the “green shots” of improving stock prices as proof of an economy starting to recover ….” I think you couldn’t be more on the mark, Jon. I’ll add, this “faith” was hand fed Obama by his Wall St. bred Economic Advisors who were playing him like he played us – like a Rube. Of course, these sharks have since left to collect their just rewards, leaving Austin Goolsbee to tell us about Obama’s new suit of clothes.
Obama has been and is a disappointment. My position now is I won’t support him in 2012 unless he convinces me he is capable of taking actions to solve our problems. He consistantly shows he is just republican lite, not only unwilling to take actions to solve our problems, but for instance his kowtowing to wall street, actually adding to them. And no, killing OBL doesn’t count. In that case he only did what the bush administration failed to accomplish.
s/green shots/green shoots/
And he is increasingly coming across as less intelligent than even I had given him credit for.
Never trust anyone that attended a Poison Ivy League school or even set foot on the University of Chicago campus. Both hotbeds of neo-fascism.
Why would the markets believe what he says, no one else does anymore.
so good, it had to be repeated.
President Gaslight will say anything to excuse actions which always favor the kleptocracy at the expense of ordinary people.
Barry says markets matter
Until the stratagem splatters
Pesky facts aside
He thinks his lies slide
Despite the country in tatters
You are exactly right. In the words of Dr. King:
“And I had to answer by looking that person into the eye, and say ‘I’m sorry sir but you don’t know me. I’m not a consensus leader.’
I do not determine what is right and wrong by looking at the budget of my organization or by taking a Gallup poll of the majority opinion. Ultimately a genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.”
I’d say the President should take note but I doubt it. It’s just easier being inoffensive and non-confrontational.
He wants very badly to be seen as a winner. So much so, that he does not care what he wins, as long as he gets the “W.”
That the President of the US thinks “the markets” are his top concern says it all. The world upside down. “The markets” aren’t even the tail of the dog.
One would think it would behoove Obummer to address the the numero uno source of wealth to 75% of the US populace, their homes…! One would suppose that if Obummer actually held the Banksters to account for their ‘illegal’ slice-and-dicing of Mortgage securities, he’d win in a landslide next cycle…? 8-(
The nation is the markets. The nation it’s corporations. Well all corporations since the place of their incorporation has little meaning in the global economy. After all every single non Spanish settlement in the New World was a corporation dedicated to making money for investors. The thing is the modern business corporation has been perfected and has fully coopted government and there is little need for pretense about it since all the elites have shares.
Politics as you understand it has no meaning anymore. It’s a sideshow, a distraction. Thinking in the same old terms is a waste of energy. We are all in with the markets. If they fail the political economy dislocates and everything you know will be gone.
What is this? The Emperor’s new bond vigilantes?
I may be wrong about this but an increase in the stock market is an increase in wealth, a derivative of the real economey, not necessarily having anything to do directly with jobs. Of course, the market will react to the economy like it did last week on the jobs report. But it is a reaction. The markets also react to things like Greek debt, volcanos, credit markets like in 2008 and other crisis. Obama being concerned foremost about the stock market is misplaced. He should be concerned with the economy and jobs, that is what green shoots means,at least IMO. He should forget about the stock market and let the sage of Omaha worry that issue. If there are jobs the market will catch on.
And I suspect that Obama is a Reagan-loving, corporate-tool who believes that Bush put the country on the right track (deregulation+tax-cuts), and that the current state of the economy just represents a “minor bump,” which will fix itself with a little tweaking, and a bit of time.
“Voiced concern for the markets is a rhetorical device, a distraction, a lie comparable to claiming that the most important feature of tax cuts is job creation rather than lowering the burden on the already wealthy. ”
yep.(from Earl@ 9) (sorry missed the reply button)
See my 25, sorry I screwed it up earl. But you got it right.
Yes we can.
But you have to understand that the only wind Obama cares about is coming out of the backsides of his corporate masters.
I think that’s Obama’s “plan” (as he condescendingly referred to it when he had his meeting with House Dems). He probably thought the job market would recover by now, the housing market would stabilise, all through the “magic” of the marketplace. The “moderate” stimulus would be fine, because Obama has “faith” in the markets. Remember, Biden’s former economic councilor said there was no appetite for infrastructure spending from Obama. He doesn’t believe in that “direct” government intervention,
When bailing out rich bankers, government involvement is OK.
It certainly does seem the administration decided to pivot to the debt issue too quickly based on the rebounding stock market. I suppose working on debt, in turn, was also an overreaction. If they can get their heads out of their asses now maybe they can start a fight and do something about jobs. Or not.
Obama, the Sachschurian Candidate, has probably been told that if he deviates from the status quo that the first action against him will be to crash the markets. After that he would probably have to flee. More better for him to go along and be like Clinton and Blair and reap the rewards from the banks.
All I have is my vote. I don’t have money to donate or jobs to offer, or social status to confer in order to get something from the President. And its not my job to get him elected – its his job to get himself elected. If he wants my vote he can come and ask for it. He can make it clear that he has my interests at heart. He can make it clear that he is on my side, and not on the other side,
So far, President Obama has made it clear that he is not on my side, that he does not value what I need. I will not vote for him. My vote is all I have, and he does not care about it. If somebody else gets elected in his place, so be it.
I am not in “FULL” agreement with what is being said here. No, I don’t disagree, but let us do some measurements.
Where did Clinton go (Greenspan, Rubin, Sumners & Geitner). He went to NAFTA, cut off Hillarycare! Before Clinton was Carter and how did that end?
So ask yourself, how long has it been since we have seen a strong Democrat – FDR or Truman? Yes Johnson did give us Medicare & Medicaid, voting rights, but he also gave into Goldwater with Vietnam! JFK is hard for me to define other then dealing with the USSR!
Therefore, the GOP have done what they want and we continue to argue amongst ourselves! Just like the far left Senator sanders of Vermont, Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts & ex-Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landreu of Louisiana, Claire Macaskle of Missouri, etc.
I’m really excited to see all this animosity towards him building up. I am really interested to see how this will be channeled at Netroot Nation. Will the vitriol be allowed to fly or will it be squelched to seem “politically friendly”?
> Fareed Zakaria right now hosting CNN show on Innovation.
> If we want good media
Then eliminate fathead tools like Fareed Zakaria.
Jon, you have created what is probably the most trenchant and revealing thread that has appeared on FDL in a long time.
In a nutshell, Barack Obama’s unwillingness to rock the corporate boat is the core of our problem.
After 8 years of the savage lunacy of Bush and the GOP, he was HIRED to rock the corporate boat, and the fact that he’s sitting on his bi-partisan ass while allowing the same policies of his predecessor to continue, is why we’re in the fix we’re in.
That statement by Obama which you quoted is THE reason why we need to make sure that this political hack and protector of the status quo doesn’t get another chance to drag the democrats even further into the shitter. We need to farm him out to some “Centrist” think tank, or what happened in the mid-terms will be nothing compared to the whipping we’ll take next year.
Those remarks reveal so much about his belief system. First, the idea of the markets reacting in such a manner is a right wing meme. Those million upon million of transactions speak as one voice, and always, not surprisingly, against liberal policies. As Krugman and others have noted, he has adopted right wing frameworks when talking the economy.
But this does go along with the theme of many blind supporters. The president is bounded by the system and cannot support nor act outside that wall. He is in effect bizzarely, a weak president and go blame someone else. But of course, his words have power to shake the very markets. One must wonder what he thought of the power of his words when he praised executive compensation and then several weeks later called for the firing of all teachers in inner city school.
And then maybe, there is this from David Bromich on HP: “Yet, under the endlessly forgiving label of ‘pragmatist’, this president has devised a system of mental bookkeeping that is at once complex and simple. It is the belief of Barack Obama that his being the president of the United States is good for the world regardless of what he does.”
The word we need to use here is ‘fear’.
Obama has proven again and again that he is afraid of the Republicans. He will only get on board of an issue if he can make the last basket to win the game. He won’t do anything to fight up to that point.
President Obama cares more for Wall Street than Main Street. He surrounds himself with corporate yes-men that will shield him from having to break a sweat with the American People.
Cases in point: Where was he during the Wisconsin protests? Single payer? Repeal of the Bush Tax cuts? Elizabeth Warren?
The Answer: Absent.
History will show that the 21st century started with two failed presidencies. George W. Bush was an idiot. Barack Obama was a coward.
Obama is simply afraid of how his puppetmasters will react.
Barack Obama is a bad President
He was the wrong guy at the right time.
But he is the only Democratic President we got.
So, yeah, we have to vote for him because the other guy (or gal) is a Whole Lot Worse. WLW.
ENOUGH!
Weak kneed Wall Street bed wetters have been complaining about ‘uncertainty’ while the market has DOUBLED its value from Bush lows. While, corporate profits are skyrocketing. While tax rates are at historic lows.
Time to fight back Mr. Obama! Wall Street needs a lesson … as in people in jail … not a back rub.
For more on GOP crap … http://waronignorance.net/index.html
Good stuff!
I think what Obama cares most about is how much cash he can raise from Wall Street and the rest of the big money players that have corrupted our politics. Their economy is doing just great, thanks to the free money our treasury and congress has handed out to them. And of course, Obama does want to raise a billion dollars to buy his second term with. Those negative adds on whoever his opponent is aren’t going to fund themselves. And I bet that even he is smart enough to have figured out that after he’s repeatedly stabbed the activist wing of the party in the back, they ain’t going to be writing his lying ass very many checks- although I’m sure he’ll use that fact as a badge of honor among his corporate base.
Back in 2007, I saw Fareed Zakaria on public TV saying that the Middle East was the next hot place for investors. Well check this out: “Pentagon Using Our Tax Dollars For Human Trafficking” (June 5, 2011)
zxy
“He’s concerned how the markets would react to his statements.”
Obama is only ever worried about one thing: How will his GOP slave-masters react.
Obama is not now, and never has been, a Democrat, and never has supported the Democratic Party platform.
Obama has only ever been a moderate Republican pandering to the far-far-farright extremists that now control that party.
Obama will never, ever do anything without pre-approval of the GOP, indeed he never has yet.
didn’t we see the president on one those e trade commericals? Hey President Stock broker; would you give us a few tips? I mean you are going to cut Medicare/Medicaid (we know SS is next) and you ignore the unemployed..so please give ar least one tip…what was that you said? “Don’t take any wooden nickels!?” thanks pal!
Wow.
Unpack that refusal to talk about the Rs intentions on the debt ceiling because it might send some markets down. Obama must mean that he thinks the Rs really do intend to block a rise in the ceiling past the point at which failure of the ceiling to rise would force the US to be unable to meet all of its obligations.
Now, if he just thought the game the Rs were engaged was the same as the great non-event of the govt shutdown that didn’t happen, if he thought they were just using the threat of not raising the debt ceiling to extort some concessions, then sayign that would not frighten any markets. That’s the soothing conventional wisdom about the Rs’ intentions, that they don’t really mean it, they won’t really hold out and cause the US into an effective bankruptcy situation. If Obama excoriated the Rs in those terms, that they were hostage-takers, insofar as the markets believed Obama, that would tend to reassure them that no actual default was in the works, because no one thinks the Rs are crazy enough to cause the US to default in its obligations to its creditors.
The point is even stronger if you look at it from down the other end of the gun barrel. If Obama thought that this debt ceiing thing was the hostage-taking scenario that the conventional wisdom writes it off as, then he would have a double incentive to say so. Not only would this reassure the markets that the Rs were no more going to force a national bankruptcy than they forced a govt shutdown, but it would also tend to diminish the Rs bargaining power in the hostage scenario. The hostage takers can only extort a ransom commensurate with the credibility of the threat that they actually would go ahead and kill the hostage if the ransom demanded were not paid. Characterizing this ceiling fight as just another hostage-taking like the last one in which the Rs never credibly threatened to kill the hostage and actually shut down the govt, and were therefore not able to get much out of the Ds, would weaken their credibility in this fight as well.
Maybe Obama is actually taking these people at their word. They keep saying that this isn’t a hostage-taking scenario, that they mean to go ahead and force the US into the position of not being able to meet all of its obligations, because they believe in a risk-free default. They keep saying that financial and economic catastrophe will result from the US not being able to meet all of its obligations only if it fails to meet obligations to actual creditors, entities from which it has borrowed. They see nothign but good in itself if the US is forced to be unable to meet other obligations, such as, say, to the social safety net, should it be forced to choose between stiffing creditors and triggering a financial and economic meltdown, and stiffing those greedy old and sick people, whose programs are just luxuries we can’t afford, don’t you know.
Yeah, if Obama believed that about their intentions, his saying so might have some negative effect on the markets. But, gee, don’t you think not saying anything, not rallying the sane people in this country to shoot down this madness, might have slightly worse long-term effects?
Actually, Obama’s finger is up his ass…
If that remark by Obama does not completely end any debates regarding his elevated sense of self importance, even if he is President, not to mention his bizzilion degrees of separation from the people on Main Street, then people are not paying attention.
Also I hope that everyone noticed that Obama is reinforcing* and carrying forth the broken, conservative economic neoliberal economic ideology born from the cavernous bellowing of a loud mouthed economist by the name of Milton Friedman over 50 years ago–an ideology that has been and continues to be the wrecking ball for not only the economy of the USA but the world. It works for the rich–just not for the rest of us. Until we put those lies to rest, and replace them with a democratic economic ideology NOTHING will get better for the American people.
*He speaks of “markets” as if they are an animate object that “thinks”. How is this any different from the ultraconservatives of the Supreme Court who declared that corporations are “people”
THE LEADERSHIP OF BOTH PARTIES AND THIS INCLUDES BARACK OBAMA ARE SO FAR TWISTED IN THE DIRECTION OF THE RICH THAT THE REST OF US MAY AS WELL LIVE ON MARS FRO ALL THEY CARE.
RUN FOR OFFICE IN 2012. STOP VOTING FOR MILLIONAIRES.
STOP THINKING THAT A RICH REPUBLICAN IS ANY DIFFERENT FROM A RICH DEMOCRAT.
CASH OUT YOUR STOCK
WAKE THE F UP
I lived through Reagan, Bush, Clinton, village idiot Bush, and Obama and I’m willing to sit through another idiotic administration. What I’m not willing to do is to allow Democrats to go unpunished for their record. I don’t care if the other guy is a whole lot worse. At this point, I’m more interested in revenge when I vote. Honestly, at the moment our politics are so absurd that voting is a joke anyway. Perhaps if enough Sarah Palins actually get into office, we’ll get a reboot of the system faster than if we wait for the illusion of reform. And to be honest, with the problems facing the world it’s probably better for the system to crash and then hope that a new direction for the country will emerge.