Almost any national health care debate in this country is almost entirely disconnected from real-world examples, which is tragic given that facts have a well-known liberal bias. That is why it is incredibly depressing to see a senior fellow from the Center for American Progress is using his platform to spread incoherent ignorance. I don’t know if the nonsense Op-Ed by Matt Miller is due to him being too lazy to actually research the subject or him purposely choosing to spread misinformation for ideological reasons, but either way, it is a pathetic defense of the Republicans Medicare privatization plan.
Let me explain. The consensus critique of Ryancare starts by observing that the “premium support” or voucher it would give each senior to help buy private insurance is designed to grow at a slower rate than the expected trajectory of health-care costs. Over time, as the Congressional Budget Office has noted, this gap would shift more and more premium costs to seniors, many of whom can’t afford them. That may in some bookkeeping sense “solve” the federal government’s Medicare problem, but only by leaving millions of sick grandmothers in the cold.
While this line of attack seems plausible at first — especially when Democrats have a CBO report they can wave in support — it’s actually based on two dubious premises. The first is that America’s inefficient health-care sector will be permitted to continue its spendthrift ways. The second is that premium support itself can’t be a way to help encourage the system to end them.
This is not some “dubious” assumption the CBO just came up with as part of an ideological thought experiment. It looked at decades of real-world data. Very large premium supports in private insurance exchanges, like those used for federal employees and California state employees, have not controlled costs in the decades they have been in use. Insurance costs within these system went up faster than for traditional Medicare (PDF).
The even better direct evidence is that for years we have had Medicare Advantage, a private insurance exchange that works very similar to what Ryan’s plan envisions for all seniors. In the years Medicare Advantage has been around, it has ended up being significantly less cost effective than traditional Medicare. Here is a real side-by-side comparison and it proves that moving people from traditional Medicare to private exchanges just made the health care cost problem worse.
Miller does at least acknowledge that all other industrialized countries provide universal health care for much less. This means there are proven solutions that can be replicated in other countries. Yet Miller idiotically advises Democrats to give credence to this GOP proposal that has failed repeatedly.
The correct advice if we really want to solve the problem, is to simply copy other countries more effective systems. That means adopting single payer or at the least all-payer.





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The Center for American Progress now is down with market based forces will slow health care inflation once enough seniors are dying from lack of unafforable care? History that shows the market does not work when the product being sold is a few more days of living – there is no price/demand curve on a longer life – is no longer of interest?
Hate to see the debate between Heritage, Grover Norquist, Ryan, and the Center for American Progress – so many hugs could be expected.
Now that seems like a dead set certainty.
Why so surprised?
It’s been pointed out often enough around here that, functionally speaking, Ryancare differs from Obamacare only in being more thorough and in being more limited in its targeting.
And is anyone here so foolish as to think that Biden isn’t arranging for some form of Medicare cuts as part of the debt ceiling “negotiations” even as we speak?
Naturally the “progressiove” veal pen has gotten their cue to chime in.
Yeah and now Ryan is pushing a Consumer Choice excuse. I guess nobody told him that the Consumers Choice for Health Care is Medicare for All.
To save money, they should agree to that plan. The cost savings have been shown a million times already.
It is a weird thing to say, because if you don’t believe that than there is no need to worry about reform.
Seriously, we need to demand an end to their government paid health insurance plans, Pensions, Housing vouchers, and anything else that taxpayers fund for them to sit up there in DC and plan ways to disbowel the common good.
Matt Miller “Center for American Progress’? What kind of Progress/
i heard him on Dylan’s show saying he agreed no need to debate Patriot Act, and as for the public being informed “how exactly the patriot act has helped” he just laughed. The guy is a trojan horse and why dylan lets him host him show is beyond me?
guess dylan has no choice. Also noticed in last six months dylan has really backed down on his hard hitting exposes. Maybe he got a call and told to do it less often. His panel on topics are a joke. karen Finny is a shrill for Obama. She actually said Assange motivation was purely egotistical. I used to love dylan’s show, but have given up watching it
In the years Medicare Advantage has been around, it has ended up being significantly less cost effective than traditional Medicare
Well sure..because it pays Dr.’s prevailing fees..Therefore the people with “Advantage” can find Dr.’s and get care. Those with Medicare only are losing their Dr.”s because Dr.’s cannot paid enough to break even.
Tell me, What is wrong with individuals getting to pick their own insurance plan, paid for by the taxpayer??
Bill Clinton giving Ryan a big kiss yesterday. The Center for American Progress pimping for Ryan today.
Somebody’s waving some cash under some “progressive” noses . . .
Strange comment for a free market person. The wage Medicare pays is the wage accepted those making it the right price in from a market perspective.
I haven’t been to The Center for American Progress in quite a long time. I had to reaquaint myself with their list of experts. When I went through the list, I felt that the name “Tom Daschle” told me all that I needed to know about them.
They don’t count cas’ they are free./s
(at least according to Rob Woodall)
anytime Matt Miller fills in for DR I shut the show off..it is clear he is clueless…I agree DR has lost some of his edge sometimes he tends to allow both Dems and GOP guests get away with BSing w/double talk…that said I do agree with his basic message…
Every other industrialized country in the world has good examples of working single payer health care systems. They all have working health care systems and they all pay half of what the USA pays for health care as a % of GNP
Get out of the rut of USA only thinking. We got a full buffet of good working health care system examples from around the world to choose from.
Miller is willfully clueless in ways that make it clear he is a corporate stooge. That he aggrandizes himself as “the aggressive middle” is just dishonest and uninformed rhetoric – his specialty.
I dont want to do what other countries do..And your premise is just flat wrong..Their healthcare systems are not even close to being as wonderful as ours..that is why they all come here for healthcare when they get severe illnesses
It makes me ill. I think of the world’e maybe most expensive and inefficient health care sytem we have and along comes someone, who should know better, but who wants to pepetuate it by selling insurance to seniors. Words fail me. In the name of deficit reduction throw granny over the cliff and forget about any way at all from decreasing the cost of all health care. Those who buy into this today may one day come to regret their choice.
You have got to be kidding, seriously.
The government should just take over the health care industry. Then all the doctors and nurses would be govrnment employees and they’d get paid whatever the government approved rate is, that’s how you hold down health care costs.
Matt Miller is a neoliberal hack, still an adviser to McKinsey, the corporate downsizing mob. Center for American Progress was set up so nothing serious could develop on the liberal/social democratic side. It’s the DLC with PR and lobbying connections.
And you feel that the “health care” industry will change it’s ways…not a hope.
Great post! …in fact, I am thinking of moving to Vermont, just for the health care.
Coming from Europe I can assure you that I do prefer, by a long shot, the health care I get in Europe. Over there actual doctors that make actual decisions unlike over here where the docs are merely functionaries and InsurPharma makes the decisions. When my mother needed a big operation we flew her to Europe where the medical care was free and caring.
what????????
Hey, then go back
And Vermont has the right idea..in that, this Health Care or Health Insurance argument/debate should be at the STATE level, not the Federal.
I am SERIOUSLY not kidding
Oh but we do for medical care.
Well, that was predictable. And childish.
I don’t how, if you are even marginally on the left, you can vote for a nakedly right wing party like the Democrats. Abandon all ye hope who enter, or something like that. You get the point. Matty Woodchuck is a Center for American Regress star pupil. You have all these right wing wonk dweebs masquerading as left wingers. Anyone who gives aid and comfort to Eddie Munster’s soak the poor and middle class abomination is a fucking quisling reactionary. I’m in my forties and it seems like they want me, in my old age, to be rutting around through the fever swamp of the HMOs to get minimal health care through a goddamn voucher system Fuck that! If it comes to that, I’ll get on a plane to France and get what I’m due. Fuck the Dems and fuck slimy OilyBumbler. Assholes!
Amen.
And your rationale for that is?
I think the pie is envious that people can get free medical care except for the price of a plane ticket ($329 round trip)
Long ago I renamed the Center for American Progress as The Center for America’s Fucking.
Haven’t looked at the site in ages but isn’t Robert Kuttner it’s top dog?
The French, I’m sure, get a good chuckle over us. Dumb Americans. No health care. No vacation time. Etc, etc. Unfortunately, the neoliberal model is now being exported to these countries.
What’s even funnier is that Americans think the French are stupid. That’s how thick the propaganda is here. You gotta laugh…the absurdity.
Miller does note that we have to find a way to reduce the overall cost of health care, as we have the most expensive in the world and not the best outcomes. I think that is true. He seems to think that by using insurance we can somehow achieve that end. How could he even come up with such an idea? Medicare is not the problem here as shown by Jon’s link to the cost of Advantage plans. The problem here is really all other insurance paid by corporations to other large insurance corporations. That part already has insurance premiums, so if Miller’s premise was correct, those costs should be going down. Then we could sell the insurance to the elderly. But sadly they are not, they are going up. What a dweeb/ Someone should tell Mr Miller to get his logic right before he writes that shit. The way to fix it, IMO, lies along some form of regulation. Best to have single payer but failing that we need someone to watch over the cost of care. Why throw out the baby with the bathwater on Medicare. Makes no sense.
It ought to be obvious, this ‘health-insurance’ ruse about Medicare: it’s a (silent) bipartisan effort to take away a lot of money from the huge Boomer cohort. It has nothing to do with health, health care, health-care delivery, or even insurance, although ‘insurance’ is the pot of gold.
When a Boomer reaches retirement age and collects Social Security, begins to receive private or public pension or annuity income, and no longer pays many thousands $$/yr for health insurance, there’s a brand-new as yet untapped market of historically unprecedented wealth. The US Boomer cohort (born 1945-1957) is huge beyond imagining. When it achieved consumer age, they spent untold sums and were the financial engine of the planet. All consumer advertising targeted them as the 18-49 age group.
It had been expected that the Boomer cohort would follow their former cohort and purchase a second home or a new home in a ‘retirement’ sector (Florida, the Carolinas, Arizona, Nevada, etc.), but that’s not going to happen for a long time, certainly not in the near term. And it’s in the near term every fiscal quarter that the Boomer cohort will have a lot of ‘discretionary’ assets.
Conclusion: The Medicare & Social Security propaganda is a financial sector effort to get hold of Boomer wealth.
But you’ll always return to the US for the pizza here. Right?
I want some of what you’re smoking.
you may just have a point. If we were corporate health execs we could be thinking that exactly. Of course, we would want everyone to “think” this was the way to save money as Miller is doing, but we would know that is the last thing we want, you know the hidden agenda.
He smokes a rare brand.
Bourbon. The only damn thing the american’s got right. Well that and my beautiful wife.
State vs Federal..The thinking on the left is always about a centralized government. Centralized governments, over time, gain much too much power and begin to govern like dictatorships, which is what we see today.
Medical care/insurance should be a function of the states, as should abortion funding, gay marriage, right to work, welfare, medicaid, etc…
I am not against government, just centralized government. Get it??
best Pizza is in Venice Italy
Yeah, I get it. You want decentralized government sort of like Afghanistan.
you are either an idiot or a troll. the problem with the medical system is not what the wealthy can afford -whether they are us ciizens or the wealthy foreigner who can afford to come here. the problem is for all the non wealthy who do not get taken care of nearly as well as they would in other industrialized nations. Japan has much better infant mortality rates than we do- this is just one example of how we are not the best unless you are WEALTHY.
Then there would be no doctors and nurses
FREE?? You mean the Dr’s and Nurses work for free? The hospitals and their employees are volunteers? They pay no utilities and taxes? The medicines and medical devices are just given to the treatment centers and patients? UNBELIEVEABLE
that is idiotic
MSNBC’s ownership GE/Comcast, has been working overtime having on air heads grousing about the ‘throw granny over the cliff’ ad. Starting with savannah guthrie, then chris jansing, and now miller, subbing for Ratigan.
He went out of his way to say the dems were demagogic in their attack on the repub. Luckily Rep Israel was adept at smacking it down, but miller has a week of face time to muddy the water
My goodness you really are #@*P%d
That’s it?? You didn’t answer my questions. What do you mean “free”?
What’s free, how is it free, free to who, free for who, free??
What exactly is free? Come on!!! Answer my ?’s.
conservatism could not exist unless people were stupid,shortsited,selfish,fearful, dishonest and regressive(which means looking to the past for answers to complex issues of the future) in england silk was made illegal for a time because it competed with the impotant wool industry. this is a clear example of existing power trying to squash something new for no other reason than to keep the status quo.
Nope – The pricing is indeed for “customary and prevailing” but in practice they define that as the same or a tiny bit more than Medicare.
The 10% above the cost of Medicare is almost all CEO cost and stockholder dividends.
Clinton giving Ryan a “kiss” -
Why is the Obama gang out in force tearing down Clinton – I watched the C-Span version and no such thing happened
Clinton said getting the long term deficit is under control is necessary – a bit like saying up is up – but went on to say revenue was needed and that the Medicare problem exists because health care reform did not have all the cost controls it needed -
Indeed he sounded like an FDLer – Hillary may be finally turning him left! :-)
Seems Obama folk must still be afraid of Obama being primaried by the only one that could beat Obama – despite Hillary saying she is not running. But it is good for a laugh and wakes me up when I see the nonsense – a bit like the lady on FDL that thought Hillary would have betrayed the public option just like Obama – but phrased it as Hillary would not have gotten single payer – a statement that no one has ever disagreed with. The claws for the Clintons are indeed interesting – a bit like comments at Obamabot boards like KOS.
We are 37th in health outcomes/coverage, first by a factor of two in health care cost – just because we refuse to pay our premiums through taxation.
Our best is indeed the among the best in the world – a bit behind Germany perhaps and perhaps even with the UK and Canada – but we only give that quality to those with money – cash or golden insurance – a rationing of health care by income.
The new Bush “No child left behind” teach to test and then don’t fund the cost so other subjects are dropped statistic is that while we still lead in kids starting college, we are 12th in getting kids jobs after college.
The GOP plan is one hell of a road to the future.
“That’s it?? You didn’t answer my questions. What do you mean “free”?
What’s free, how is it free, free to who, free for who, free??
What exactly is free? Come on!!! Answer my ?’s.”
Free means no massive charge that stops you from getting care when you need it and a convenience/cost that encourages you to get preventive care.
The best way to get this “free” is to pay the health care cost dollars to the government – have the government do the banker’s role now done by insurance companies. The fact that the Government does this well at 50% of ins co pricing is seen in Medicare, the VA, and in every health system in every country with a system around the world – except the US. The proof that the quality is great under that system are the medical flights by non-well off US citizens to Germany and similar countries.
It’s Corporate TV,you really aren’t going to get anything progressive from’em.
@Jon Walker
Now that was a piece of good, solid blogging that I can get behind. I’d like to see a strong, vocal opposition against moving medicare towards premium support from the left wing of the progressive movement so New Dems know that there’s gonna be trouble if they try to walk down that road and starts looking elsewhere instead.
Too bad that you needlessly spend credibility by attacking and lying about the PPACA that actually moves to subsidies from nothing at all which is quite trivially a change for the better.
You ever thought about choosing your battles a little better?
My take is that Matt Miller toes the Obama et al line. His job is to make the Obama positions sound good, whatever they are.