There is a time during the early part of a popular uprising when things can go relatively well. The despot or the military leaders of a quick coup could decide that with people on the street and international pressure, the smart thing to do is take the peaceful “retirement package.” That is where, in exchange for not starting a civil war, the international community turns a blind eye while the despot ends his days on some nice tropical island living off the millions they stole and hid in Swiss banks.
The die is cast at this point
Any possible window for a “good” outcome in Libya is clearly closed now, and was probably even closed before the first American bombs starting dropping.
Libya is now effectively engaged in a civil war. Muammar Gaddafi clearly doesn’t want to step down, and even if he wanted to, it is unlikely he could in a way guaranteed to end well for him, now that NATO has basically made their new mission regime change. More importantly, now that all his military leaders around him are engaged in civil war, it is unlikely any of them would feel very safe trying to stage a coup to take the “retirement package” for themselves.
Rebels don’t have the capacity, and won’t have it for a long time, to win a military victory.
Frankly now that the situation has turned into a civil war, Gaddafi and circle has little reason at this moment to look for a surrender. Gaddafi has the much bigger and better-trained army. He must have plenty of cash on hand and at least some base of support after years of patronage and spreading around oil money. (Every dictator has some base of support–or they wouldn’t have stayed in power for very long.)
All the different rebel groups have is a few thousand poorly armed and trained troops, plus NATO working as their de facto air force, but you can’t win wars solely by air. Gaddafi forces know that fighting in a urban environment makes bombing impractical unless NATO is prepared to inflict massive civilian collateral death by just flattening entire cityscapes. There is no way the rebels at this point, even with air support, could take Gaddafi’s urban strongholds.
NATO can’t complete the mission it wants with the tools it is prepared to use
A large NATO ground force could beat Gaddafi’s army, but NATO has ruled that out. NATO also could decide to effectively partition the country, Korean war-style, leaving Gaddafi in control of a rump state. Partition, unlike regime change, is something you could probably enforce with just air power.
But NATO has committed itself to overthrowing Gaddafi and that leaves them with only one option to achieve their goal: turning the rebels into a real army.
Since I doubt NATO wants to send rebel forces in piecemeal to what is assured to be the meat grinder of Tripoli, they are going to want take enough time to train a large rebel army. Even assuming they can find enough volunteers, turning tens of thousands of regular people into an effective army takes months, if not years.
Best case scenario: months more of conflict
So, the best case scenario is that military action to achieve NATO’s new goal will take several more months. The whole time NATO is supporting and training the rebels before they launch what is likely to be a brutal military campaign to destroy Gaddafi’s army. At which point, this deeply tribal country unites behind the government imposed by this rebellion.
Worst case: years of involvement and fighting
Their are many ways even this rather dark best case could still go very wrong.
- Training the rebel army could take much longer than expect and/or Gaddafi’s forces turnout to be much harder to defeat.
- Since the rebels aren’t strong enough, NATO eventually sends in a large number of troops, possibly under some silly title like “advisers,” to do the fighting.
- Even after a “rebel win,” the country sees an insurgency break out that lasts for years, like we saw in Iraq.
- Similarly, different rebel factions could end up fighting each other for control.
- Of course, there is always the concern we end up with a new dictator that is just as bad.
Looking at the situation there is clearly no near-term end-game strategy. What we have is another military quagmire in the Muslim world. We truly never seem to learn.




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Johan Galtung originally predicted 20 years for this
“No exit strategy”??
The whole goal is to permanently control Libya – to take its natural resources of oil and water, and to destroy its banking system.
Why would anyone believe after spending all that money to steal their country we’d want to leave?
Well, look at the bright side: new markets for the war corporations.
It’s going to take more than I’ve been offered to believe that our little escapades are about anything but destabilization abroad and what’s left of an economic policy here. “Economic Hitman” Perkins makes a good case that Libya is all about crushing a challenge to the dollar. (I think I saw his piece on ICH.)
All predictable, and predicted.
And let’s say Qadhafi by some strange turn of events was taken down — then what? Then a government-less regime in a country decimated decades of dictatorship and NATO forces moving it to “keep the peace” and Qadhafi loyalists going underground to become an insurgency and clashes among tribes and every faction, foreign and domestic, trying to access the oil and some combination of imperial forces (the US, Britain, and France?) trying to install a “friendly” strongman…
Which is to say that getting rid of Gadhafi will be the easy part.
It’s astonishing, if not surprising, that most progressives stood by and/or supported a Democratic President as he got the country involved in another quagmire in a Muslim country.
I suppose Xe could add some jobs. Oh, wait. They outsourced their mercenary work. It’s now being done by South Americans.
You mean Sarkozy didn’t get a quick victory to guaranty his reelection…
Yup. It’s almost Zen: lack of an endgame is the endgame; lack of an exit strategy is an exit strategy. Bush still had to come up with lame excuses for his wars, but things have “advanced” since then, and Obama can just start shooting on a whim.
Here’s a Q: How many rebels and innocents have been killed by Nato and how many by Gaddafi.
Ding.
Suggested plan target Gaddafi with air strikes or we can risk months or years of fighting and higher oil prices. More importantly to Wallstreet the conservative governments of France and England have tried a Bush/Hitler trick of using a war to boost their poll numbers if this war lasts months then those governments will fail.
Banks should be very worried if Lefty governments take over and no more bank bailouts in those countries are expected. The rich can expect their taxes to rise at a minimum they can expect investigations and jail for what they have done too.
Worse case revolution don’t say it can’t happen here or times are different. Japan’s nuclear industry said that and I trust the Japanese way more than the Americans with deregulation to manage things well.
Link and a small quote?
The US started firing missiles March 19th; so the Congressional reauthorization at 60 days works out to be Friday, May 20th for the initial period to elapse, and approval required from the 21st forward.
Libya is already polling with low support from war weary Americans.
The politics of approval are going to be a bit strange I think, and there are about 23, 24 days (however you want to count it) for that all to get worked out.
I’d favor no approval.
I think you’re right, but I’ll also add that a lack of Congressional approval won’t stop Obama. I think we’ll continue to participate in air strikes.
What will be interesting is seeing if this gets any play at all in Congress and the national tradMed, considering the Libyan approval will play out during the same time-frame for the debt-ceiling battles.
(excerpt from “Sarkozy between a Libyan ‘rock’ and a French ‘hard place’,” Apr. 8, 2011 ; with video)
Recently … Johan Galtung on Libya (RussiaToday, video, Apr. 13, 2011)
“Fall of Empire, End to Wars: Johan Galtung Predictions” (RussiaToday, video, Feb. 21, 2011)
More on Johan Galtung.
I still can’t get over the fact that we spend billions/trillions on military war footing and haven’t declared war on anything through Congress, aside from American citizens.
They simply can’t use the grissly Osama excuse anymore because what the rest of the world has known for years is now sneaking out to Americans:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/05/years-of-deceit-us-openly-accepts-bin-laden-long-dead/
Still think they murdered Bhutto over her statements.
According to an interview on antiwar.com that I linked to several times, Libya was a Sark plot to begin with. He was pissed that Gaddafi canceled some big French contracts, and Sark had an expat whispering in his ear.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/05/years-of-deceit-us-openly-accepts-bin-laden-long-dead/
Agreed!
From your link.
No endgame, no exit strategy? Who could have anticipated?
No war but class war.
“Sarkozy would lose to Socialists in runoff – poll” (Apr. 26, 2011)
Carla’s wishes could come true (no second term; Sark should go off & make money like Bill Clinton).
Come on you guys, Obomba has this all figured out… all we have to do is give the Janjaweed some rocket launchers and we’ll avoid the massacres./s
Patty Hearst, heard the burst, of Roland’s Thompson gun
and bought it.
Giraldi thinks Libya is O model for several other countries like Syria. Toward end of interview, about 17-18 minutes in.
Yet again, we have a case of the military ruling policy, in direct contradiction to the Constitution. Such is the case in Iraq and such is the case in Afghanistan. There was a good reason why the Framers designated the president, with the support of the Congress, Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. It’s beyond about time that Obama wrests the control of state policy from the military and into the Oval Office.
Heck of an interview Galtung gives re his book, Chinese kleptocrats and Turkey. More insights on Turkey as we already know the Chinese kleptocrats would just as soon have Americans as slaves as well as Government Sacks?
What makes you think O is not in charge of the policy. Do you have evidence that he disapproves.
I think you have it backwards. The marionette is the one being pulled by the strings.
That’s it; there are multiple intersecting issues.
I think this approval issue would work the opposite of how it normally does; can count on Senate to approve, House is the question.
The House is the real eager body to limit any Presidential power right now, but it’s majority generally does really love them some bombing. So they have a built-in conflict that doesn’t assure approval.
So if the House and Senate split on approval the Administration ends up with a choice; continue outside approval boundaries of the law or suspend operations for a time.
Just speculating.
Confiscating Libya’s Sovereign Wealth Funds…
Just a few articles on the China-Turkey axis:
“Stealth Superpower: How Turkey Is Chasing China in Bid to Become the Next Big Thing” (TruthDig.Com, Jun 13, 2010
“Forget China; Turkey is the next superpower” (Salon.Com, Jun. 14, 2010)
“China, Turkey and Iran emerge as scientific giants” (Wired.Com, Mar. 29, 2011)
“China, Turkey carve joint path” (China Daily, Apr. 2, 2011)
Tangential– What’s the difference between Manning and Weiwei? Petition: Free Ai Weiwei!
On the bright side, this experiment in air-power-only regime change has clearly failed, and so most likely won’t be tried in Iran. If this had worked, we would have seen a no-fly-zone over Iran before the election.
Libya is the third civil war into which America’s centrists have dragged us in the last 10 years. It’s incredible that such repeated failure is allowed to endure and be rewarded. Lefties like me predicted in 2001 that the Afghan occupation would be a disaster; I predicted in 2003 that the Iraq occupation would be a disaster, and I have predicted that our Libya invasion (which will become an occupation) will ALSO be a disaster. I predicted these things when my opinion was wildly unpopular. The American people are still hell-bent on trusting “the centrists.” I don’t know how we break the trance of centrism that has infected the minds of “proud” Americans.
No kidding! That was a real huge kick in my pants. Could. not. believe. it. So many so-called “progressives” ranting about how O was “doing the right thing” to “support the rebels.” WTF?
And those of who pointed out just what this post states were resoundingly chewed out for not being “progressive” enough to “support the people’s rebellion.”
I said then, and I say again: I’ve seen this d*mn movie too many times before, and I know how it ends (or doesn’t end as the case may be).
Very cold comfort, though, in being able to say: I told you so.
Hope more citizens can wake up and Get. a. Clue.
Well there is that. Cold comfort, but …
Plus ya KNOW that anymore the Military’s gonna test it’s hardware against humans. Anyone believing that the MIC was “concerned” about the brown serfs of Libya needs to double-check that there Kool Aid they’re drinking.
Mmm! Chow lentils, twice-cooked pork in yoghurt sauce, and opium-tipped Camels cigarettes.
Quagmires, ugly as they appear to fair-minded people, are actually good for business for arms merchants, mercenaries, and other bottom feeders in the mil-industrial-security complex.
Banking and the Economics of the Invasion of Libya
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/27/banking-and-the-economics-of-the-invasion-of-libya/
By design.