As you can see in this helpful chart from the Kaiser Family Foundation, America pays much more for health care than any other first-world country.

There are a lot of false ideas or very minor explanations that are overstated to try to justify why we pay so much.
- Other countries are just evil nations that allow thousands to die in the street for lack of care. False
- Our costs are hidden by things like the tax exemptions so we need more consumer-driven smart shopping like an excise tax to eliminate low-deductible insurance and insurance exchanges. False–basically every cheaper country has lower co-pays, deductibles, out of pocket costs and are, in general, less consumer driven.
- American’s health care costs are high because we are fat. Only a minor part of the answer–the UK has much lower costS despite very high obesity rates.
- America’s use of fee-for-service result in too much care. Only a minor part of the answer–many cheaper countries use fee-for-service (Japan, Germany, France) and our average hospitals stays tend to be short.
The main reason for our abnormally high health care costs is that our politicians let the hospitals, drug makers, device makers and diagnostic labs rip us off.
To understand the real problem, I recommend quickly looking through the slides in this document (PDF), produced by the International Federation of Health Plans, comparing the cost of health care services in America to the rest of the world. I have reproduced just two below to give you an idea.
Looking through the charts, you will see the amount more that we pay for almost every individual health care service is very similar to the amount more we spend as a country on health care, overall, compared to the rest of the world.
I think the most damning are the brandname drug price charts. These are the same pills made by the same companies for every country, but we pay significantly more.
What is the solution every other country has hit upon to lower their costs? Central price regulation.
Most of medicine doesn’t really work like a free market because it is either more like a monopoly or hostage situation–you can’t put a price on your urgent need to be saved from death. Even when it could work like a market, the huge imbalance of knowledge makes smart consumerism basically impossible. So, all sensible countries do the same thing when dealing essential and unavoidable monopolies, they regulate prices, as we do with utilities.
In single-payer countries, this is obviously done as an inherent part of having only the one government insurer. In other countries like Japan, Germany, or Switzerland, they use all-payer. This is were the federal or local government works with the providers and insurers to establish a fair, uniform pricing system.
Not only do collective negotiations result in lower prices, but it doesn’t have the massive amount of administrative waste you see in our system. When you have thousands of insurers independently negotiating with thousands of providers, the system needs to spend huge amounts on paperwork, billing, coding, and processing claims, to name just a few.
There is no secret about the solution, so why don’t we have it?
So, with basic data around the world looking as it does, why were Democrats talking about bending cost curve, IT, accountable care organizations, more individual health care cost consciousness, and smarter insurance markets, but not all-payer or single-payer? The answer is good old fashion corruption.
The drug makers don’t really want reforms that would allow regular Americans and the government to pay 30 percent less for their products. So, big health care industry players take just a small amount of the billions in profits they make overcharging us and use it to spend hundreds of millions on lobbying Congress, ensuring our politicians will ignore the solution and choose to let the ripping off of American consumers continue.





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The PDF is really eye opening. Thanks.
All I can say it sure is a “Rip off”!! So many in Congress have been and will continue to be bought off by MIC (medical industrial corporations) we are all destined to be bankrupted by our current system when we get to be seniors!..
Good work.
The one I always hear is America has the best health care in the world. FALSE.
Ugh, so many are so brainwashed.
How about this one?
We pay more for drugs because of research. FALSE.
Big Parma spends only 14% on research.
They spend way more on marketing.
What I always say when I hear that is it may be the best health care that money can buy but the delivery sucks.
I have just had a real dust up with my insurance about some eye drops…cannot get the quantity the dr prescribes/expensive co-pay, etc.
Just let me hint at the wisdom of a generic…..
But the Obama administration and their buddy Gruber told us that if we got Obamacare those who had jobs would get pay raises and those who didn’t have jobs would get jobs.
Speaking of delivery….
If you look at our worldwide stance in infant mortality, you’re being mighty generous.
We pay more because we sue more. We need real tort reform so that doctors are not always afraid of being taken to court.
This proves my point. The care is there. People have no access to it. The rich don’t have the same morbidity and mortality that the rest of us do.
They charge as much as the insurance companies will pay for. And they pay as much as the industry charges because, well, they just charge the customers whatever it takes, and the customers have no choice. And they will keep increasing the fees until they drain put all the money people have.
At one time the doctor was in the middle class with the small businessmen of the town. Then the doctors got the idea that they all needed to ascend to the upper class and become rich. Then everybody along the chain decided to get rich too. (Except for the nurses and technicians who did the hands on work.)
There is nobody on the patients’ side.
That is all part of the Randian Plan for the “little people”. They would like us to just be fertilizer…
Why are you modding me?
INSURANCE COMPANIES!!!
i’m pretty sure that the costs (administrative overhead included) of our insurance system is THE main reason for our “abnormally hight health care costs.”
at least it was when i went through all the oecd data a couple of years ago.
Those charts are revealing – very wide variabilty and very expensive. Would it be correct to suggest that the issue is regulation and not necessarily a public option? A single payer system would eliminate the problem but that seems like a bridge too far for our conservative corp culture. Have we been off fighting the wrong battle?
But we have the best erectile dysfunction drug ads in the world! American exceptionalism!!
Maybe for being so silly about tort reform….tell me you would not want to sue over a botched delivery or having the wrong leg taken off….
The ecomics of all this is simple,at least at the following level. The US health-care system is a monopolized system of health delivery, at the level of drug and device manufacturers (protected by patents), the insurance industry (protected by exemption from anti-trust), and the hospitals (protected by anti-trust that refuses to touch spatial monopolies. There are two ways of handling the system: single payer on the insurance side, or regulation of the monopolies that exist. The US has neither. We get the worst of all worlds: private monopoly with no price or quality regulation. No other country would accept this. This situation can be entirely laid at the hands of government policy.
If we get the Ryan plan, yep. And you will die sooner. How did Grayson say it? Die fast and save us all some money or something.
So true…and those ever recurring ads are certainly not cheap with all their sleazy music. Glad you mentioned the repetition of that tripe.
True.
What baffles me is we fall behind Bangladesh!
I think you are right. I would like single payer but it is unlikely to ever get there unless we can incrementally lower the age for medicare. Given the deficit hawks out there who are controlling the conversation that is not gonna happen. But there is some chance we can move to regulate this shit. I begin to think we all fought the wrong fight last year.
got your talking points from your boss again? Why don’t you get a real job? They can’t be paying you much for this gig, or maybe this is just the best you can get. You’re really not much of a troll. Maybe you should go back to being a greeter at Walmart.
Switzerland, and I think Germany or maybe it’s Holland have private insurance, but it is highly regulated. France’s supplemental insurance is also highly regulated.
It’s a huge cost that doctors and hospitals don’t pay in other countries. Same goes for the drug companies. One example is the declining number of physicians who will go into ob-gyn specialties, especially in small rural communities. They simply can’t afford to keep in business any more because of all the lawsuits.
Medical malpractice insurance rates can easily be 25% of the cost for a doctor to open up a business.
Kunt, I am not a troll. I pay high medical costs like every one else. I’m just not convinced it is all due to the greedy doctors, hospitals and drug companies
“Collective negotiations” sounds too much like union activity for the politicos to accept.
You know I’m not unhappy with my doctor or even the RNP that sees me. In fact I get along famously with the RNP. (She has the same kind of sarcastic streak I do).
However I am not at all happy with any of the specialists or the hospitals I have had the unfortunate pleasure of being in. The rooms are barely passable, the nursing staff invisible and the cost outrageous.
baloney.
Oh and by the way, what do toy think will happen with single payer? You can’t sue the government can you? So when the government is in charge, tort reform will be a de facto result.
The doctors would not be working for the government. They would still be self employed.
Have you ever considered that the problem with Malpractice suits is the high cost of insurance and it may be the insurance companies that are gouging the docs?
We live in a federal system. There are states with very strong limits on the ability to sue medical people. These states do not have noticeably lower health care costs. Try again.
Hmm, so what do people in other countries do when the doc takes out the wrong kidney? Just say, aw shucks and move on? Tort reform is ok provided it is not nuts. But in any case,I doubt lawsuits caused all of the difference. Can you show that???
Look up tort reform some time. Read this excerpt from a wikipedia listing on the subject
There has been a noticeable drop in medical malpractice insurance premiums for physicians in states that have enacted Tort Reform. Particularly ones that capped non-economic damages such as Texas did in 2003. For example, The Doctors Company, a Physician-owned professional liability insurer, was insuring OB/GYN’s at a mature claims-made rate of $131,601,[47] which was a 20% increase from the previous year. As of 2008, the most an OB/GYN was paying for a liability insurance policy with The Doctors Company was $64,714.[48] States that have not enacted Tort Reform legislation tend to have a higher cost of professional medical liability insurance than states that do.[49]
See 31 below and reconsider your argument.
I think this lawsuit stuff you are talking about is a red herring.
They sue for economic damages and pain and suffering. They do not get paid for punitive damages. And since we have already established the level of care in the us is no better than these other countries, you can’t argue that the punitive damages awards in the us have any impact on the level of safety.
How so?
In the good old days you could drive over to Windsor, CA every week, get cheaper better eye drops, gasoline, or whatever, then drive home no hassle. Now they keep the, um, customers, are really locked in.
Now compare the overall cost of health care in Texas and the dreadful state of health care in Texas with other places. Also, take a look at the cost of malpractice insurance as a % of the total cost of health care.
congress is incapable of regulating costs (or profit). It’s not in their nature. They do not differentiate between good and bad profit. To them, a billion dollar con is just business that stimulates the economy.
I don’t have those stats handy. But you’re the one arguing that red herring, so please enlighten us.
So how will congress regulate costs in the single payer system?
According to the actuarial consulting firm Towers Perrin, medical malpractice tort costs were $30.4 billion in 2007, the last year for which data are available. We have a more than a $2 trillion health care system. That puts litigation costs and malpractice insurance at 1 to 1.5 percent of total medical costs. That’s a rounding error. Liability isn’t even the tail on the cost dog. It’s the hair on the end of the tail.
Listen to this and then come back and revisit your argument.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/25/do_you_know_the_full_story
Did it every occur to you the liability companies might be making more of tort than warranted? Why? I don’t know. Increased premiums.
B/c the issue is the primsry cost of care and the rip offs we see every day. If you feel the lawsuts out strips everything you have to show that data which I have not seen. How woould the Kaiser data change, for example?
close enough…
With great difficulty and lots of fraud but other countries obvviously do so and we do it with utilities pretty well. The data suggests regulation or single payer is less costly than the shit we have now.
How much are you getting paid? I need a gig like that.. Your bs answers are just that bs…
And according to abc news and The advocacy group Health Care For America Now, the total profits of the top 5 health care insurance companies in 2009 was $12.2 billion. So the profits these terrible companies made are the dandruff on the hair of the tail of the dog.
So you are saying the punitive damages by themselves not pain and suffering is the cause of the difference in health costs. Excuse me if I let that one go as untrue without the data.
Red herring I think I said.
This is the first link I could find. The source is certainly not neutral, but it could be off by several orders of magnitude and my argument would stand.
http://www.bostonpersonalinjurylawyerblog.com/2011/04/the-two-ways-better-databases.html
“According to the journal Health Affairs, the direct costs of medical malpractice (insurance company payouts, payments to medical malpractice defense lawyers) and the indirect costs (the costs of so-called “defensive medicine”) amount to 2.4% of our nation’s annual health care tab.”
Remember also that these costs include payouts to people who were injured permanently through flagrant malpractice.
You can dig up the facts on the state of health care in Texas yourself.
Negotiating pricing for all medical costs with the enormous power of VOLUME…
Well there is also the huge admin costs, and executive pay and lobbying costs. I think you have to add in the drug companies and the device makers and the whole industry, not just 5 companies. They all make a profit and they all pass it up the chain with no regulation or oversight or not much.
Jeez. That’s right. So when a surgeon removes the wrong kidney, or a hospital gives a patient the wrong drug and this father of four dies of respiratory failure, 250K should cover it, eh?.
You must be thrilled that SCOTUS just killed class action lawsuits.
The hundreds of people with cancer will be unable to get any compensation from the tire manufacturer up the road who has been dumping toxic chemicals out back for the last fiftenn years.
Way to go.
Tort Reform is bullshit. In the big picture, it’s peanuts.
A distraction.
Sorta like going after Bernie Madoff for a 50 billion ponzi, while
Mozillo of Countrywide got a relative parking ticket fine for the
hundreds of billions he pillaged from innocent home buyers.
And don’t forget that Big Fat Pharma spends more on TV ads than on research. Muthaforkas.
And drug companies made profits in the range of $40 billion. A high number, but still the hair on the dog.
So if drug company and insurer profits only make up, collectively, about 3% of our overall spend on health care, pray tell, where is the savings from switching to a different system? I just don’t see it.
Grant, if you are not a troll then you are arguing without facts perhaps b/c you have a feeling punitve costs are prohibitive. When you get the facts let’s talk about them. For now I accept our system is terribly inefficient and expensive and yes, I guess corrupt, and if we really want to lower the deficit we have to regulate it or nationalize it – - take your pick.
I agree. He is chasing the peanuts here
Of a Xoloitzcuintle, no less.
found some of my notes from my (not an expert) old analysis of oecd data… it’s a little out of date (dec 2008 data), but hopefully the big picture is not too different.
(here is the link for the latest data)
an example of what i was referring to above — that insurance costs and overhead are such a big deal — is pharma costs. we do way over pay big pharma. but pharma costs (as percent of total healthcare expenditure) are a relatively small contribution of our overall costs, maybe about 12% total. so even if we are over paying by 2x, that’s only 6% — nothing to sneeze at, but also nothing compared to the something like 30% that goes to insurance costs and overhead.
Or to put it another way -Unfettered Capitalism Kills
The data presented here is hugely suggestive that regulation will lower costs. Other countries do it.
Ive stated nothing but facts. I have not seen a single fact from you.
The medical system is the most heavily-regulated industry we have. This thread focused on how a government run system would somehow drop costs because it would remove the profit motive. That profit motive just isn’t there – you could take ALL profit out of the system and perhaps save 10%. Only then, who would invest in and run these companies. No one.
I suspect your profit figures come from the set of books the health care industry keeps for the IRS. In any case, I didn’t hear you question the fact that we in the U.S. pay much more for health care for less satisfactory results than the rest of the industrialized world. The difference isn’t malpractice insurance. What’s your next guess?
This is my last effort. Good night to all.
So, why is our systems so much more expensive than anyone else’s?
but but how much did they make on tax payer funded research? Huh? Come on they ARE ripping the US citizen off plain and simple.. You really gotta be blinded by money if you don’t see that…sheesh.
Out of curiosity, what do you pay a year for insurance?
Canadians pay about 3% more a year in taxes than we do, including VAT, and get universal health care, high speed rail, great public transportation, great education at a low cost, 6 weeks of vacation, etc. I’d be more than happy to pay another 3%, or more, for that.
selise has it right, it’s largely the insurance companies. The problem is not quality of the care itself, it is access to that care which restricts care to a certain part of the population on largely economic factors. The doctors and other professionals are only a part of the equation.
The tort reform argument is total bullshit (malpractice suits driving prices up, making hospitals schedule every type of exam possible in order to cover all their bases even if there is no need for certain exams), and even if malpractice suites are sometimes abused and can be costly, it has little to do with why care is so expensive. Care is expensive because it CAN be, it is not a law of nature.
Another reason why insurance companies and clinics can charge so much for services is that it is a complex subject and most people simply understand little about medicine, procedures or the drugs used, so they are easily manipulated – there’s a “knowledge gap” :
eCAHNomics the other day :
This is a quote from a book on political economy, but the same principle holds here, namely that :
My mother just began chemotherapy the other day, which can cause nausea ; I was proposed two drugs to counter the effects, one costing $120, the other $8. These are financial and economic manipulations, not medical ones.
How much tax payer funded research was there last year? Come on, give me facts.
You really gotta be blinded by hate of corporate america
Sheesh
It occdurs to me your accounting is wrong. You take the entire health care we spend in this country and from that subtact about 25% for profit, admin costs, etc., in the sytsem as a whole- not one piece of it. Everyone in the system is making a profit and everyone has lots of admin costs. Much of that can be stripped out as unneeded. What percent of the total health care cost is lawsuits? Someone ought to do this analysis.
Well, theres a simple way to achieve that. Move to Canada.
the obama administration won’t even permit fraud prosecutions of the banksters who blew up the world economy. the economic team he chose at the start of his administration (see larry summers) were directly responsible for ending or preventing some of our most important financial regulations.
they are the “deregulation R us” team.
and hopefully i don’t need to say anything about the Rs?
regulation is one of the easiest things to get around or end. it’s all under the control of federal regulators… and all a president has to do, as bush did, is fill his administration with people like the of the OTC, who took a chain saw to their regulations during a press conference.
See comment 43.
Litigation costs and malpractice insurance at 1 to 1.5 percent of total medical costs.
So let’s reduce those admin costs. Let’s see, are those admin oats paid to robots or people? So you are advocating getting rid of how many jobs here?
You’re OK with big profits on the backs of sick people. Profits that don’t even go to the doctors, either. Profits for greedy, pencil pushing, useless middle men who can say FU, we’re not paying for that treatment. Your baby isn’t worth it to us.
Another symptom of a depraved society.
Makes my skin crawl.
And that’s the difference between you and me.
I would move to Canada in a heart beat. But Canada doesn’t want me. I have been encouraging both of my adult daughters to leave the country. They, interestly enough, are both in health care and are thinking about leaving.
Like I asked above just how much are you being paid to be here.. You are illogical in all your arguments! You have not provide squat for evidence but did throw in a bunch of BS Right Wing/Randian talking points.. I am with Bluedot on this TROLL…
Bye go find your rock you have earned it now.. be a good boy!
Is that your best answer? Move to Canada. Hello, we (you included) are getting ripped off royally, does that not bother you?
Wow, you are a pod.
Yeah, it was great. Less than hours to go to Stratford and you could take in a show.
This post is about the fact of high health care costs in the US. That high cost is NOT lawsuits, as has been noted. It has been suggested that total health care is in the trillions or so and that within that there is hundreds of billions of inefficiences and profits and executive pay, etc that account for the high cost of the sytem. Strikes me the reasoning is in the right direction and worthy of more analysis.
here is a link to an old comment of mine on the unnecessary administrative costs due to our insurance system:
http://my.firedoglake.com/members/selise/activity/307509
(included is explanation from Uwe Reinhardt and also nejm paper by Steffie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein)
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You know, this board is famous for its posters calling others names and accusing them of being paid trolls whenever there is a comment that doesn’t square with fdl dogma. For the record, I am not a paid troll. I just don’t agree with everything that is said here. But if the paranoia gets you through the night, have at it. But don’t let the tin foil hat slip off, whatever you do.
You just made my point. If the waste is, say $100 billion and the entire size of the health care biz is $2 trillion, then getting rid of ALL the waste saves on 5%. Not a lot, huh? Where’s the 30% savings everyone is touting? Come on , show me.
i don’t think you are a paid troll, but you aren’t stating facts. you are making assertions. assertions without any evidence or argument tend to derail discussion and certainly don’t further anyone’s understanding.
if you’ve got evidence to back up your assertions, i’d be v glad to see it.
yea.
So why are you here if you don’t have anything in common with the other posters? Do you think you’ll convert someone with your brilliance? Seems like a boring pastime to me. You might get more intellectual stimulation at a conservative blog.
i did. see my link @82.
We dont care if you agree but you have to acknowlege some level of logic. Like look at the two charts in the post above. What is the world causes Plavix to be so expensive here? Something is going on?
What’s your explanation for the higher cost of health care in the U.S. Your only proposal so far, the cost of malpractice insurance has been demonstrated to be nonsense.
Why the difference? Come on, show us.
now i’m not following my own advice.
please give me a (gentle) slap upside the head. :)
(edit to add: thought it was epu-land, but that’s no excuse)
No no no you don’t agree with anything said here that would cost your Corporate Masters money$$$$ It really shows through your curtain…
You do know our current system cost lives and they are way more important than PROFITS… Get a life.. some day you will understand You Also are being screwed over… Good luck to your kids and grand kids..
You just mis understood. I said hundreds of billions. 30% of 2 T is what?
See,I’m not trying to explain the high costs. I honestly don’t know why they are high. But the evil profit motive was similarly dashed by me. And I hear about waste, waste, waste. Where is it?
I don’t think you’re a troll.
I think you’re a corporate shill.
Nothing personal, but you’re a
by product of a society that places
wealth above everything.
Late twenties, early thirties?
$600 billion. So just show me where that comes from and how it can be carved out. Waiting……..
And give me a much harder hit with a 2 by 4. We’ve lost the chance to have an important discussion about important information that Jon presented.
It isn’t too late.
Not taken personally. Not a corporate shill. But corporate the same stent as anyone who works for a corporation.
Don’t take this personally, but you seem to be a product of the part of this society that thinks only government can solve all our problems. Let me guess, late fifties?
lol. only a metaphorical 2 by 4.
agreed. it was a great post.
Well I give up. I think you wish NOT to understand. Not even a well maybe?
…and part of the society that places other people’s wealth ( and the confiscation thereof) above all other priorities.
It isn’t for those of you in different time zones and I hope you do exactly that. I should have been in bed 40 minutes ago.
i gave a link to the oecd data. i gave a link to the explanation and analysis of administrative overhead. i then posted a comment saying where to find the administrative overhead data.
all i got was crickets.
seems to me you have a decent working hypothesis there…. (about not wanting to understand)? otherwise i’d think there would at least be an acknowledgment of the evidence presented.
howdy mary. it’s good to “see” you. hope you are well.
Every single participant in the 2t has admin and profits, some even contribute nothing at all like lobbyists and millions to executives. Some of which are obsence like the Plavix above. A reasonable guess is there is 30% unneeded costs in there.I can’t prove it but that would explain the differentials we see with other industrialized countries. We should regulate a cost of that mnagnitude on general principle.
Sad, so sad. I recommend a filter to stop anyone from dominating the discussion. This is akin to the Tea Party shouting at the Town Hall meeting.
At least one person is not really interested in finding a solution, so why are they trying to dominate the discussion? I can be obnoxious, but at least I’m concise.
Yes agree.
No one wants your wealth. We want your income taxed appropriately, as was my husband’s in the 70s and 80s when he had a six figure income.
Now that technology has made him as obscure as the buggy whip, it’s your turn.
on edit: the 80s and 90s.
Government?
WTF?
No, I don’t like it when people that don’t practice medicine get rich off of sick people.
Grant, I have to go now. Play nice.
Yes, enough of the brick wall.
–The main reason for our abnormally high health care costs is that our politicians let the hospitals, drug makers, device makers and diagnostic labs rip us off.
Don’t forget the doctors.
Their guilds intentionally keep the supply of doctors low so that they can make lordly salaries.
Is that an intentional oversight? Or you really didn’t know?
I disagree. grantcharles should be free to say whatever he wants. I wish though that he had said the magic words “confiscation of wealth” up front, so I wouldn’t have had to read through 100 comments to see where he was going with all this.
Nice opinion. Got some data to support that?
It seems conservatives are rabidly against the idea of government getting involved in helping make health care more affordable. However, at the same time, they apparently think that when it comes to preemptively attacking countries, holding people indefinitely in Guantanamo, and monitoring people without due process via the Patriot Act, the more government, the better!
Regarding malpractice which you brought up before:
Savings of that magnitude would not have a significant impact on total health care costs, however. Malpractice costs amounted to an estimated $24 billion in 2002, but that figure represents less than 2 percent of overall health care spending.
Texas, despite implementing some aggressive countermeasures against malpractice litigation, is home to “one of the most expensive health-care markets in the country.”
Even Health Insurance giant Wellpoint, is not blaming medical malpractice on rising premiums, claiming it has “little impact on health care premiums.”
Single-payer means single-payer, not single-performer.
Currently the insurance companies pay the bills. When something goes wrong, you sue the doctor or the hospital or the pharmaceutical industry or whoever is responsible for the something that went wrong, not the insurance companies who are paying the bill.
Tort reform – yea, only corporations should be allowed to use the civil courts.
Medical malpractice insurance premiums in the US amount to about 1% of total health care costs.
Harvard found that 100,000 patients are killed each year through medical negligence. Maybe only 10% of patients who are harmed actually sue.
Most of the harm imposed on patients is done by repeat offending physicians – the AMA and licensing boards will not ferret out the repeat bad actors.
The solution is simple.
The American medical system has had 60 years to prove itself and, after decades, it still provides an inferior product at twice the cost (this defines a corrupt market).
Give the insurance companies and free market advocates another two years to do their magic to produce a superior product (everyone covered) at the world average price. At the end of this free market trial period, if the goal is not met, the government offers Medicare for all. And the insurance companies have no one to blame but themselves.
The per-capita number is a bit misleading and probably much higher for the USA because we have at least 50 million people who have very limited access to any healthcare at all. Where in the other countries every citizen has comprehensive coverage and full access.
Tax payer funded research runs about 90% of all research – the health care industry – including drugs – do rather little. Molecules with promise are pulled through the regulatory system for safety checks and dosage level – but that is about it. Now the safety check is expensive which is why they screw those in Africa and rural China with “free drugs” in doing the check – but Parma does still spend a lot bringing a drug to market – albeit the 3 to 5 years is just the time required to see if there is adverse reactions.
Meanwhile, the point of the post is “What is the solution every other country has hit upon to lower their costs? Central price regulation.”
And in those central regulation countries they develop more new drugs than are developed in the US.
By the way – Vermont’s new single payer using a form of Central Price Regulation may be signed soon. Any thoughts on that?
This is truly a wonderful Post and discussion – so good, that I again feel some desperation. There is an need to take this type of Blogging to another level. There are two problems here:
1) Many Posts and discussion threads make assumptions about a shared world view, but that foundational world view is missing – and is at risk of not really being shared. This Post and discussion is outstanding because it provides some of that foundation, but this is the exception.
2) Most Posts/discussions are focused on an audience that shares that world view. There is a speaking to the choir problem. There is little focus on actually chaining minds.
There is an opportunity to enhance the Blogging paradigm to have more political impact. Maybe this is done somewhere else, but FDL as the home of the professional left is a good place to make the leap.
Here are some brainstorming ideas:
Health care reform blogs should hang off a health care reform home page that has other content. A featured part of this content would be a few key position papers and talking point docs that are rated / approved by membership based on rubrics. The key notion here is to develop a new style of web-driven Deliberative Authority that is consistent, integrated, and intentionally political (This is the Deliberative Authority of Wikipedia with a Political Perspective). I want to be able to email my conservative friends a white paper and say “This is where 100,000 FDL members stand on Health Care”. Rational argument counts.
My Wife works at a Hospital and cut her finger one day and had to have it checked-out. They charged our Insurance Co. over $800.00 and she didn’t even need to get stitches !!!! What a RIP-OFF!!!!