There are two very simple, straight forward things you can do with Medicare if you want to make a big reduction in the deficit: you can either destroy Medicare, or vastly expand it.
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) has stepped forward for the Republican Party to endorse the “destroy Medicare” solution as the best way to reduce the deficit. After all, treating the medical needs of the elderly is very expensive. If we just let old people die when they can’t afford to pay the doctors anymore, we eliminate one of the government’s biggest expenses.
This is the unspoken principle behind Ryan’s plan to reduce the deficit, though it executes it in a slow and subtle way. The GOP’s “Path to Prosperity” would privatize Medicare and give older Americans vouchers to buy private insurance, but these vouchers wouldn’t increase in value at the same rate as the cost of insurance. If the voucher isn’t big enough to cover the cost of care, American seniors are out of luck or out of pocket, and the government saves the money it would have “wasted” on having Medicare pay to treat them.
Progressives have a real plan to reduce the deficit: expand Medicare
Alternately, since Medicare is dramatically more cost effective than private health insurance, government could significantly reduce the deficit by expanding this proven program. Just allowing people in the new health care reform exchanges to buy into a Medicare-run insurance plan would save over a $100 billion. In addition, given that health insurance is such a big expense for businesses, allowing the private sector to buy Medicare instead of private insurance would result in higher wages, more employees hired, and/or larger profits. All of which would generate substantial tax revenue for the government.
If the Washington took expanding Medicare one step further and turned it into a real, working, single-payer system, like that available in much of the first world, it could reduce costs so much it would effectively eliminate our entire deficit problem.
That’s a political and policy fight worth having
If it ever came to a battle between plans to kill or expand Medicare, it would be a political bloodbath. On one side, Republican saying the best way to reduce the deficit is to destroy the popular Medicare program, and, on the other side, Democrats making the unequivocal counter argument that the best way to reduce the deficit is to let more people have access to Medicare.
Sadly after watching how terribly Democrats messed up health care reform and the public option debate, I doubt America will get this dream showdown–despite Ryan offering it to Democrats on a silver platter.




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why would anyone who cares about the future of our country and its people want to “make a big reduction in the deficit?”
please don’t buy what the neoliberals are selling!
In Defense of Deficits by James K. Galbraith
The Perfect Fiscal Storm: Causes, Consequences, Solutions
By By L. Randall Wray
Why should anyone vote for someone who’s not willing to fight for them?
Why should anyone vote for someone who has open contempt for them?
That’s why the base cratered in 2010, and why it will again in 2012,
unless both the WH and the Dems in Congress start acting differently.
and who exactly will lead the “fight?” President Bipartisan? Spineless Democrats in Congress? If history informs the present neither will rise to the challenge. Unless the people get into the streets there will be no “fight.”
Besides allowing the elderly to die when they remove Social Security and Medicare, have they thought about the repercussions?
With no social security insurance check granny and pa can’t make purchases for anything. That will cause an even larger dent in the retail sales sector.
With no Medicare insurance the medical sectors will no longer be able to count on that income.
Without the Social Security Administration in Washington and all its offices in every city across America there will be a HUGE increase in unemployed when they shut them down.
These numbers do not look good for the GOP during a Depression. Yes, I said depression.
Heh. People will be in the streets about their paid for social insurance.
My kids were watching a show about Sweden a few weeks ago. They loved the points about health care, the maternity/paternity leave, the schools and all the resources available to the public. When the kids heard the amount in taxes paid by citizens, they made a quick summary. They concluded that if you added up the taxes paid in Sweden with the services delivered and look at all that we have to pay out of pocket here and the lack of services in comparison, it appears that Swedes get more for their money and better quality of living.
fixed it!
Simple deduction of facts here: Corportist leader=fascist The answer is clearly NO!
*g*
The Catch-22 is that in Sweden they have a govt they can trust.
Would you trust the USG to collect all that revenue & provide services we want, or would the revenues go into even bigger military, corp wlefare etc.
Mussolini was known to get the trains running on time. This WH WHore can’t even support getting trains. He is undoubtedly fascist however.
Obama will cave and sign a bill authorizing a “No Healthcare Zone” over America.
Time to hit the boats for Canada’s shores and seek medical sanctuary. Or even Cuba’s shores.
Let’s call it what it is… END MEDICARE WITH GOPCARE. Gopcare will be good for the ubers, who can afford their own care, make tons of money off the public with increased health care costs and deny care to seniors with GopCare death panels. Everyone knows private insurance, routinely denies care to their insured… more money for the insurance co and less health care for you. GO GopCare or should it be go RepublicanCare, BonerCare… We need to identify it.
According to what I read, Mussolini got the trains to run on time by reprinting the train schedule, so that it comported with how the trains were actually running.
8-)
He surely did!
If there were more social services the populace woud have time to not only evaluate the candidates but work for “popular” candidates rather than being forced to choose between bad and worse. The big money and their Koch and Bull advertising would be neutered.
Well anyway it will never happen.
We need the healthcare savings to support our foreign policy protection racket of carrier-cruise-by air attacks on any country that has extractable resources.
There are not enough printing presses to keep up with Amtrak.
EXACTLY!
If the masses of this country have to pick one fight this year, it must be this one!
This social security scare tactic they have used for the past 60 years needs to be put to the grave.
LOL!
Sure there are!
Departure time: Leaving now or as soon as the train is ready.
Arrival time: Whenever the hell we get there.
Vote 3rd Party…For your health
We need to burn down
the villageMedicare to save it.USG has systematically starved Amtrak for the designated purpose of making it a poster boy for how bad govt run services are. Ditto USPS.
That’s some advanced printing technique, alright. Those mimeograph machines must have been running on overload…
It is those fucking unions…
I rather ride a train anyday than walk through gamma rays, be forced to remove clothing and shoes, empty my neatly packed bags, and then ride in fear of the roof coming off!
And blacks. Think I read/heard somewhere recently that meal service jobs on trains were one of the first clean jobs blacks were able to get hired to do.
They don ‘t serve free peanuts on Amtrak.
The real Catch-22 is that some countries actually have politicians who care about their welfare. This engenders the trust you mention. Without our wars, anti-labor trade pacts, and regressive taxation we could really have a decent country. The solution is pretty simple: [edited by moderator]
[Mod note: please do not wish or suggest violence on anyone -- even if in jest]
Nope, but you can pack your own and you don’t have to limit it to peanuts!
OilyBomber will kiss “Eddie Munster” Ryan’s ring and eat his dung before he ever does anything to expand or save Medicare or Soc Sec. The fix is in folks. The corporatists are going to get all the money you put into FICA and Meidcare, stealing it outright so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Steet and Kock Brothers. The US gov’t is a criminal syndicate, allied with another criminal syndicate…Wall Street.
If Obama wasn’t a corporate shill he would have pushed for expanded medicare instead of the cumbrous, unwieldy and ultimately industry serving Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act. It was simple, it would have been popular and it could have theoretically been done in a filibuster proof way if not for King Lieberman and Queen Snowe and the court Vichycrats.
Yep I read that somewhere also, I believe. Food service people now all speak Latin.
Developing now:
Dems say the Tea Party wants the government shut down.
Peasant says: Go for it! Shut the place down now! Call their bluff.
Let the GOP shut it down today!
And don’t forget Phillip A. Randolph and the powerful Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters which was largely responsible for the 1963 March on Washington! (Forgive the edit.)
I agree, it worked so well for them the first time. But I would like my Soc. Sec. cheque due next Wednesday
I’m getting pretty damned sick of the President and the Vichycrats trying to prevent Republicans walking off the cliff. Let them. I won’t cheer the shut down but it should sweep the ‘baggers out of office next election.
My unhappy analysis is that we have “leadership” that doesn’t care about the health and future of this country and would rather destroy it and plunder it to satisfy their own sense of entitlement.
Absolutely!
I’m sick to death of the GOP holding Americans hostage. I say do it and do it now. It will prove which side has the most support.
I find it hard to believe that the tea party members want a shut down knowing they won’t recieve their SS checks, Disability, or UI benefits. But if that is what the leaders of their group are saying then by all means, do it to em!
Don’t come to Canada, you’ll only make my waiting lists longer.
I live in Canada. I’ve been trying to see an orthopedic surgeon since October, but I needed a bunch of diagnostics first, then a referral from my GP.
Got all the diagnostics, my knee is badly damaged, I’m in constant pain and cannot work, much less walk. Now I need the referral. My GP won’t even return my calls. He’s too busy.
Once I get a referral, it’s 4-6 months to get an APPOINTMENT with the surgeon. Surgery itself? A dream. Some types of surgery have a 2 year waiting list. And this is near Toronto, where the system is best funded.
This is the reality of single-payer systems where NO private care for anything covered by the government is legally available unless you go to another country.
There is a thriving business in “medical tourism” for folks who can pay to vacation in Thailand and get their knee replacements.
Be careful, and well-informed, about what you wish for.
@29 I promoted the use of violence towards the rich. This was rightly deleted. Let’s just get our money back from them.
Time to go and plant seedlings in the greenhouse. Enjoy the day.
I didn’t realize the Heritage Foundation had a satellite office in Canada.
There’s already been a trade in medical tourism from the US to India, Thailand and Mexico (they do beautiful dental work) for about a decade now. Canadians still have a social safety net whereas the US “leadership” wants to cut that for everyone else but the rich and protect their effective corporate welfare entitlements.
Maybe they’re belatedly wising up. Maybe that’s why only 200 or so attended that DC rally.
LOL!
Yeah, just LOL!
Yeah. And if Stephen Hawking was a British citizen, he would have died long ago….Oh wait….
Here are the waiting times for operations in Canada
The costs however are vastly different. In America the operation depends on ones ability to pay In Canada the operation depends upon ones needs.
Thank you! I was pondering *some* response … but that’s excellent.
That’s bullshit. Medicare works perfectly well. Expand Medicare and we’d save lives and tons of money.
Yes.
Thank you ~ I am in Canada and those numbers ring absolutely true to me. As well, there are government social programs to assist in cases where one cannot work due to medical issues. The latter being quite radical, if you are an American.
Therein can also hide a world of delays, like how often do you have to see your HMO to get permission to have it, how long do you wait each time, how long do you wait to get MRI, etc, etc. I think these comparisons of wait time are very poorly done and don’t mean shit.
OT– Please sign the Avaaz.Org petition to stop the torture of Bradley Manning by singing at “Stop WikiLeaks Torture (retitled from yesterday) and then Facebook-ing and Twitter-ing the link. Since the initiative started yesterday, I have been seeing a steady stream of signers primarily from Canada, Australia, UK, Sweden, Germany and Switzerland. Please get out the word in Brazil and Spain as there is no language-specific landing page for them yet. Thanks!
But that is totally ignoring the fact that waiting time for surgery in the United States is infinite when the patient can’t afford to pay for it. I have a bad right rotator cuff but I’ll never get surgery for it unless I get insured again or maybe if medicare is still around in 15 years. I’d gladly get on a waiting list of just about any length over the lack of options I have now.
There’s some truth in that too, eCahn. If a GP’s *office* is not returning calls, that’s an issue with the GP, not the system. There are areas where waiting lists are a problem but the length of wait is gradually being reduced. All of these are issues in the current federal election ~ as usual.
Actually, if you read the background data you may want to change your comment.
{{{Margaret}}}
So true.
The US med system is a rationed system anyway. You have a gatekeeper (HMO) who tells you who you can go to for care. And if you happen to have crap insurance, you may not get approval. This is a terrible system. Canada’s system is far superior despite its flaws.
Did you not read this?
We should be asking about why the effective corporate welfare entitlements for a fictitious entity should be preserved over the health and lives of human beings because the answer is that it shouldn’t. Safety Nets For People, Not Corporations!
Of course I should mention that I have an Irish passport and get FREE medical treatment damn near everywhere (including Canada) other than in America.
Now imagine having a rationed system from the day you are born till the day you die. Oilbummer and the Repubs want you to pay out of pocket until you are dead. Imagine you are 90 and can’t afford hip replacement because some fucking cheap ass voucher isn’t enough for the cost of surgery. This is evil shit.
If a Canadian has money to pay for surgery and other care, surely s/he can afford to come to the United States where money means head of the line privileges? If a Canadian doesn’t have money and is just whining about the length of time s/he has to wait for treatment, go find somewhere else to complain about it. There are a whole lot of us here who wish we had it so good. I can’t work up much sympathy for you.
I did. I was referring to the quoted content. Sorry I was unclear.
In the US you can make an appointment with a doctor. It doesn’t mean you won’t wait for 4 hours to see the doc for 7 minutes.
Surgery here is a maze of crap that first has to be fully approved by your paid for insurance company and most cases they refuse.
If you get their approval then you have to have x-ray upon x-ray, blood work x 5, and you will only get a private room for your stay if the hospital is full and there is no other bed to be found. Also, you may never meet the person that anesthetizes you.
I agree, dear friend. However, the Court of Fascism declared corporations persons. I am following their laws and am running my household as a corporation. Can’t wait for tax time next year. I’m hoping to get benefits like GE!
*g*
A heck of an admission don’t you think?
(excerpt “First Do No Harm” by Marshall Allen, Washington Monthly, March/April 2011)
The Republican definition of socialism is any function of government that does not line the pockets of their cronies. That’s why they want to replace Medicare with subsidized private insurance.
>:->
Exactly. Look, no Canadian–or European for that matter–would trade their health care systems for the shit sandwich we have here. But the US is full of numbnut peons who think that paying a little more in taxes to cover everyone is socialism. What it is is immoral.
Thought you’d like that. (wink)
Crazy ain’t it? The deductibles they have to pay each year, along with the co-pay per visit would be more than their share for a single payer plan.
Our side in this debate looks a lot like the Libyan rebels. Only nobody is providing air cover.
Insurance is a scam banks use to prop themselves up while their principals plunderer them and gamble with your money in the rigged “markets.” This is just a taste of how corrupt the financial systems actually. So, I don’t want insurance which has been shown to be an unenforceable IOU courtesy of our corrupt legal system. I want the actual service or thing I am purchasing in hand at the time of the exchange. You’d never buy a cup a coffee that way would you? Can you imagine it even acceptable that you get a meaningless IOU at the counter instead of the mug of java after you’ve plunked your coin down? I think not. So why do folks persist in the this fantasy underpinning one of the most nontransparent subsystems in the US next to military spending?
The USA is doing financially to the American people what Hitler did to many of the people of Germany, not just the Jews.
I’ve been watching it since they allowed the banks to steal family farms through debt. Now, it’s our very homes. It’s a land grab. Stalin did it in the Ukraine with machine guns, we do it through debt. More “civilized”
And the sheep don’t notice it nearly as quickly
I’ve realized a while ago that they don’t need the US workers anymore after exporting jobs/importing cheap labor.
And they surely don’t need the disabled who went into the ovens even before the Jews did in Germany. And if the old and sick need help, well, they can sell their homes or have them taken since they won’t get anything now for them anyway; and that’s no accident.
Being on Medicaid and watching the privatization there, which is really what’s driving medical costs up, is the MOTU way to get rid of what Kissinger called “The useless eaters”.
And, since the toxicity of the planet is growing by leaps and bounds, in a strictly economic, dead soul way, they’re actually right.
I can’t stress it enough they don’t need us anymore, not even for votes rigged before our very eyes yet we still cling to the illusion we have something to say in this mess.
So, it really doesn’t help to bitch about any particular politician anymore. The agenda is set and we’re gonna have to live it out….someway.
“Let us not speak falsely now, the hour is getting late” – Procal Harum – All Along The Watchtower
Righto!
The policy you get doesn’t even say in plain wording what it will pay or won’t.
You really can’t be an informed consumer when they don’t print on your documents that they will not pay for items on this list.
Then they become even more corrupt when they deny the services your doctor recommends for some crazy contractual issue that was never printed in your contract to begin with!
Ah-Men! Sista! You said it. We have to say what needs to be said without hiding the truth.
I wanna see Oilbummer or Boner with a crap med insurance plan that many Americans are forced to buy. I wanna see them denied care. I wanna see their family scramble for the money to pay for some outrageous amount of money for surgery. I wanna see them go bankrupt because they can’t pay some insanely high debt from hospital fees.
They have no idea what it’s like to be a regular person living in this Social Darwinian nightmare called the US of Amnesia.
For Medicare “reform”, the GOP proposes ” a ‘premium support system’ for Medicare. In the future, older people would choose plans in the marketplace…”
Not only does this shift more burden to the individual but also it transfers more of the operation to the wasteful private health insurance companies whose administrative costs (and profits) far exceed the expense of the Medicare s ystem.
This makes no sense.
homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com
The annual glacier over the Lake Superior region will have receeded by mid-July making it safe (somewhat) to boat to Thunder Bay, Canada from Copper Harbor, Mi. I’ll apply for medical asylum/sanctuary with both checkbook (for premium payment) and brownbag lunch (It might take awhile for Canada to surrender to my request) in hand.
Indeed! This is one reason I probably will never have a car again. And I will start upping my deductibles steeply for property insurance rather than pay the full amount for the outrageous premiums starting this year.
I would have a heart attack if I had to cope with a MONTHLY health care insurance premium and NO assurance that I would be covered in a health crisis, starting with ongoing copays and deductibles for every service.
That is the same plan they put in under Bush. The Medicare Part D, with large deductibles, donut holes, and fees paid to private insurance companies. It hasn’t saved my mother a dime!
If she were able to get her meds from a Canada pharmacy she would pay 1/3 of the costs she has to pay here before her deductible for the year! It is nothing but a huge give away to the Pharma/Insurance corps!
“Consumer” is just a corporate euphemism for “slave.” I am human being.
Privatizing Medicare is not about anything except funneling money to the medical industrial complex. Government debt has nothing to do with it. Dead seniors are merely collateral damage.
Human filth like Paul Ryan or Barack Obama serve the Oligarchs exclusively. Until that changes it will be open season on non-billionaires. It’s them or us.
The advent of insurance for everything has driven up costs, as well, for everything. I have routinely been asked in the past, here in Canada, where many people have supplemental personal health insurance to cover prescriptions which are not covered by universal health care … “don’t you have insurance?” It is expected that you have insurance and your insurance will pay and thus the prices go up to what people who are ‘covered’ can ‘afford.’ It’s nuts. It’s everywhere. I see this is an effect in the US as well.
Yep. That is why I say avoid purchases from any form of corporation that you possibly can, unless they are still operating in this country and employ here.
Buy your food locally from small farmers.
Check this out regarding British firm, Tesco: “They want me to take on a loan with Tesco to pay for my Car Insurance monthly.” (Apr. 6, 2011)
I wanna see them in prison.
Yes, we’ve GOT to face the facts. Anger on a blog isn’t going to do it
The ONLY way to get their attention is to what the people in Wisconsin have done. The states, so far, are not quite as totally corrupt as the Federal government.
CSAs are a good strategy also unless you have the gasoline to go pick your own (a good learning experience for the kids), or, the farmer comes to you.
What? Obama and the Democrats got exactly what they wanted.
It just wasn’t what the naive and gullible were foolish enough to “HOPE” they were going to get.
And by absolving the D’s of responsibility by pretending they simply “messed up” one guarantees that same kind of disappointment will happen again, and again, and again.
The D’s are trying like hell to get people to see the truth. And they’ll keep doing it, ever more extremely, until the people finally see.
The D’s are part of the ever-worsening symptoms of a fatal disease – but fatal only because we insist on being in denial about them.
Scary shit!
Whoops, that was Jimi Hendrix - All Along The Watchtower
Easy solution to Tesco: dump them and boycott them. Begin today!
Spreadsheet economics and utilitarian arguments are real LOSERS with me. There is nothing of value in them, except the LOVE of money!
I just saw Robin T. sing that very phrase last Nov. in Atlantic City @ a failing Casino. Great show. The crowd was all 50- 60 yrs. old and older.
YUP the music was FINE!
Tesco owns the Fresh & Easy grocery chain in the US.
Bluetoe2:
Heritage Foundation? Where did that come from?
This is my experience with the health care in Canada. Shortages of doctors, shortages of hospital beds, extreme shortages of specialists. Everyone has health care “coverage”, but it does not guarantee access. You cannot lose your coverage, but you can still be unable to access timely health care because you CAN lose your doctor. If your doctor retires, if s/he moves, if you move elsewhere, you can wait months or years to get another doctor. People set up their lives around their health care. Sometimes people won’t move because they’ll lose their doctor. Some people can’t find a doctor in their new town, so they travel back to the old place to see their old doctor, even if that’s in another province.
The Canadian government keeps costs down in the most common way that governments do: they starve the beast. We have some great medical people here who have come up with innovative ways of delivering health care more cheaply, eg, through larger clinics with smaller staffs, electronic record keeping, etc. There are some really good preventive programs for common problems. Some very good stuff, that came out of having limited funds. But that’s innovation from the medical community, not the government. and it doesn’t help the nearly 20% of Canadians who cannot find a doctor, and it doesn’t stop hospitals from closing down beds due to stingy block grants, and it doesn’t make the system more patient-oriented when patients represent a loss instead of a source of revenue.
Just the facts, Bluetoe2, from my 40 years of experience with this health care system. And I’m not angry anymore. Just resigned to it.
Democrats? Where I live that means Joe Lieberman, Jim Himes, and President Obama. All honourable men. Stealing a bit of Shakespeare:
We come to bury Single Payer, not to praise it.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Single Payer. The noble President Obama
Hath told you Single Payer was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Single Payer answer’d it.
Here, under leave of President Obama and the rest
For Obama is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men
I like the idea of vastly expanding Medicare but we simply do not have the kind of honourable men in our government who would do that for the public. If Shakespear had been a blogger, he’d have added a /s after every reference to honourable men.
I’ve got nearly two dozen relatives living in Canada and none of them have the problems which you describe. None.
They grumble about the taxes but they like the healthcare enough that not in a million years would they even consider trading away their healthcare system for a tax cut and US healthcare.
“If a Canadian has money to pay for surgery and other care, surely s/he can afford to come to the United States where money means head of the line privileges? If a Canadian doesn’t have money and is just whining about the length of time s/he has to wait for treatment, go find somewhere else to complain about it. There are a whole lot of us here who wish we had it so good. I can’t work up much sympathy for you.”
I’m not asking for your sympathy. I’m trying to make you see that Canada doesn’t have all the answers either, and that single-payer government run health care can land you with a whole new set of life-threatening problems. One woman currently fighting our system found a lump in her breats. She had all the diagnostics done and they found that the lump was malignant, but no sign it had spread (it might have, it might still), and it was still small – less than 1 centimeter. She was not allowed to receive the drug herceptin, because the government only permits its use if the lump is over 1 centimeter in size and has already spread. So here is a case where a cure could be virtually assured, but the government regulations interfere in the decisions made by the doctors. This is not right, period.
This sort of thing can happen in the US, I know, but do not expect all your problems to be solved by a system like Canada’s. The US still has a higher rate of cancer survival than any other country. People do die in Canada waiting for health care, who would not die in the US. My point is, don’t copy Canada.
Excellent point, and I’d add that the CEPR research cited in the diary doesn’t say that deficits would be reduced. It merely says that if implemented, “our budget deficits will not rise uncontrollably in the future”.
And that’s true enough, our deficits can be what they need to be but that wouldn’t be described as an uncontrollable rise. Ballpark, I think they know the size of the hole in the economy.
Out of the mouth of babes.
“I’ve got nearly two dozen relatives living in Canada and none of them have the problems which you describe. None.
They grumble about the taxes but they like the healthcare enough that not in a million years would they even consider trading away their healthcare system for a tax cut and US healthcare.”
Your highly selective and unrepresentative group of Canadians is not impressive in the least. I can name dozens more friends and relatives in Canada who have suffered the problems I describe. And I have dozens of friends and relatives in the US who complain about the bureaucracy of the US system but who do and have received excellent and timely care that is far superior to what we get up here. I have lived under this system for 40 years and have seen repeatedly the problems I have described. I do not deny that some Canadians would not opt for an American style system, just as there are Americans who do not want your system changed.
My point is not to argue with the idea of health care reform, it is to make you see that Canada’s system is not the the way to go, and so if you want to reform it, look at the PROBLEMS that these other countries have so you can avoid these mistakes and make a better plan than Obamacare.
I see how it is, my 20+ relatives constitute a “highly selective and unrepresentative group” of Canadians but the Canadians which you are refering to broadly represent the Canadian healthcare experience. Funny, if things are as you say, you’d think they’d change the system.
Have any of your friends received NO CARE in the United States?
Have any of your friends lost their homes to cover healthcare costs in the United States?
And TBH, Obama’s healthcare plans are not what we want so dunno why you are refering to Obamacare. Obama isn’t pushing single payer. I wish he was.
Does Canada have 45,000 people die per year because of no access to health care? Do they have 50 million people with no health insurance at all? and at least another 50 million who have unaffordable underinsurance. Do Canadian citizens pay 20% of their annual income and more for access to health care?
I call bullshit.
thank you for reading the link.
do you have any idea where this: “Progressives have a real plan to reduce the deficit” comes from?
last year, jon wrote, “The point is to complete discredit the deficit hawks by show that they really don’t at all care about the deficit by offering them up real solutions they reject.”
if discrediting the deficit hawks is the point, then i don’t think reinforcing the right wing / neoliberal premise (that progressives think we should be reducing the deficit) actually does the job. better, imo, to discredit the whole notion that the deficit needs to be reduced… also, has the added benefit of being true.
YAY!
Ah, ic, this is an intentional long term strategy… a horrible one.
I mean, once we buy into the line that deficit cuts are needed… we are trapped.
Does anyone actually believe that deficit cuts are needed?
yes.
and we were warned — in jan 2010.
galbraith: Why Progressives Shouldn’t Fall For the Deficit Reduction Trap.
that’s the conversation i’d love to have!
So sad… 3/4 of all the diaries on this site are on issues which will be harmed by deficit cuts.
Think of all the things that promoting the deficit cut myth will simply make even worse:
- high unemployment
- high home forclosure rate
- loss of social services and safety nets
- unaffordable healthcare
- increasingly corrupt politican campaign process
And on it goes…
amen.
First, of course, I couldn’t be more in favor of Medicare for All than I already am. But I agree with selise, captjj, and others that it’s a bad thing to reinforce the deficit problem narrative. The important thing about Medicare for All is not only that it will result in a lower percentage of nominal GDP being devoted to Medical-related costs, but also that it will free up real resources, now being allocated to the FIRE sector and allow those to be allocated for other real needs like education, re-inventing the energy foundations of our economy, re-inventing our aging infrastructure, and our long list of other needs.
These urgent needs, along with the affordable health care need of a huge portion of our population is the best justification for Medicare for All.
Having said that, I’m very glad to see the increasingly positive writing of Jon Walker in support of Medicare for All. I hope that when this issue comes to the fore again, hopefully in the not too distant future, we Medicare for All, supporters will be able to count on the vigorous support of Jon Walker for it, regardless of what Richard Kirsch, Jason Rosenbaum, Adam Green, and Jane Hamsher decide is politically feasible at that time. it’s time to shift the Overton window to the left again, and advocate for what we really believe in..