
President Barack Obama works on his statement concerning the situation in Libya with, from left, Chief of Staff Bill Daley, National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, and Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communication Ben Rhodes, in Brasilia, Brazil, March 19, 2011. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
According to the Pentagon, in just this first week of our war “kinetic military action” in Libya, the military has already spent $550 million. From Politico:
The Pentagon says it has spent $550 million on U.S. military operations in Libya since efforts to protect civilians from Muammar Qadhafi’s regime began 10 days ago. Details of expenditures on the Libya mission show the Defense Department spending more than 60 percent of the $550 million on bombs and missiles, Pentagon spokeswoman Navy Cmdr. Kathleen Kesler told POLITICO. The rest of the costs, she said, “are for higher operating tempo of U.S. forces and deployment costs.”
Instead of going to war with acting in a kinetic military manner toward Libya, we could have spent that money on many great things here at home. For example, we could have:
- Provided private health insurance this year for over 42,000 families;
- Provided 17,000 Americans with jobs;
- Fully paid for about 10,000 students to attend four years at a public university;
- Paid off the state of Oklahoma’s projected 2012 budget short fall.
Of course, President Obama decided that it was far more important to spend this money on military actions against a country that even he acknowledged wasn’t a direct threat to our safety.




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Shock Doctrine anyone?
Comment I left on Juan Cole this morning, still awaiting “moderation”
And the U.S. is not alone. Most of the participating European countries are undergoing cutbacks at home.
Motherfucker wouldn’t pass up an opportunity to set up a puppet govt to protect the US oil that lays beneath Libya’s soil.
Protecting the civilians my ass.
If there is a government shutdown next week does the military have to cease offensive actions?
I’ll answer myself. No.
It’s beginning to look like we orchestrated the opportunity. David’s previous post says the guy running the rebels is a former Virginia (read Near Langley) resident who hasn’t accounted for his employment record over the 20 years he spent there.
Is this the same eCAHNomics that wrote the following on 02-05-11:
http://my.firedoglake.com/members/ecahnomics/activity/198244
If you believe $550 million, do I have a deal for you!
..But the rebels are winning…it’s all about win, win,….wait a minute they just said they’re losing….wait, wait they just talked about where Daffy will live…oh wait…they talked about NATO troops on the ground…
You gotta wonder about the mental health of the Norwegian Nobel Committee. Giving the peace prize to President Obama has to rank among the all-time sick jokes.
Is his name Ghalabi?
Well, JW, not that we can compare moral imperatives. But I sure would not want to have your cost efficiency argument advanced against the “cost” of stopping the genocide of 800,000 innocent people in Rwanda which occurred on the Clintons’ last watch with the US doing nothing. So you have this sort of moral imperative to make sure that does not happen again and I fully support the expenditures necessary to make sure it does not happen again. Just hope that the effort succeeds.
Yep. Another one of my heroes turns out to have feet of clay. Happens to me a lot.
I tend to be pretty accurate on identifying bad boys, but my record on good guys sucks. Something I’ve admitted often at FDL.
When evidence shows that I’m wrong, I change my mind. What do you do?
On edit: And I don’t have many heroes to begin with, so what does that say about the state of the world.
Meanwhile our hold off of air support against the Libyan army movement toward the rebel held cities last night has had the expected result -
The Libyan rebels were forced to run from the heavy weapons that they can not counter – leaving Ras Lanouf, 250km east of Sirte, central Libya, on Tuesday and having a panicked retreat after a protracted battle on Tuesday in the hamlet of Bin Jawwad, where artillery shells crashed thunderously, raising plumes of smoke. Indeed reporters noted that no such strikes were launched during the Bin Jawwad fighting, and some rebels shouted, “Sarkozy, where are you?”
As to Cole – he is smart, informed, and appears to have an opinion different from many on this board. Once he goes back to only approved opinions on Israel he will be loved again.
As to the larger question – money on military versus cuts elsewhere – well, it is time to shut down the government until the GOP agree to raise taxes on the rich to pay for wars the rich approve of.
Unless you’re prepared to talk about Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, and (always) Sudan, then ditch that argument. There are genocides taking place all over Africa.
I’d say that she still reads his blog is the only inference one can make of that. Some of the bloggers I regularly read come up with some shit I don’t agree with too. Doesn’t mean I quit reading them, it means I don’t agree with that particular post.
Not me. Once someone gets on my shit list, he’s on it forever (e.g., Krugman). It’s not only what they know, and Cole certainly knows multiples of what I do, it’s also a question of judgment.
That only works if the topic under discussion is open to opinion.
Here there is a defined right and wrong. Cole is on the wrong side of the argument.
Spending millions in a foreign country without the means or plans to cover the expense is wrong. Intervention in Libya may well have been the right thing to do, but with our military and our money stretched incredibly thin there should have been a clear plan, a clear time limit, effective and efficient action, and a plan to pay for it all without further adding to the defecit.
I am amd maybe we should start rationing gas so we can afford it
I think you’re being stalked — electronically speaking.
So would you apply the same tactics we’re currently using to all of those countries?
It is about oil and stratergy. They don’t give a hoot about people..that’s just some crappola to make you feel guilty and go along with their plans…just like Iraq, etc. Hundreds of thousands, reportedly over a million, of innocent Iraqis and others were killed as a result of “saving” Iraqis from Hussein…
Oil and strategic domination is what they want.
Or, about you? ;)
So you’d like the benevolent US of A to actually be the world’s policeman? Exchange one corrupt, despotic govt for another time and time again?
Fair enough.
Ration the Neocons.
Spot on.
WE WISH!
Well, with a record like that he’s gonna have trouble finding work and everybody needs work, so I can understand his situation … /s
25% of what goes in your gas tank comes from dicatorships supported by the US. Stop buying oil from these dictators such as Saudi Arabia, even if it takes rationing to do it. And stop electing people like the Clintons and Bushes who have only increased our depenbdence on foreign fossil fuels. And who pal around with the Saudis.
Never in the history of the US (slavery excluded) has our integrity been so corrupted as it is now by our use of Middle East dictators to support the US lifestyle.
L. Raw Nubbard’s Die-Kinetics: The Modern Science of Military Health
No the US should stop using Middle East dictators as part of its infrastructure.
I agree with you. Your lengthy response does nothing to answer my question, though.
That addresses the second half of your comment at 19. What about the first two words?
Zing!
No argument there..
Spending on war as opposed to helping out of work Americans,school teachers & those losing their homes…..Well they certainly have their priorities lined up like it should.
In case any average American didn’t get the message….the elite political office holders don’t give a damn about you.Stop voting for these creeps & maybe things may get better.
Won’t be long before they start talking about cutting whatever benefits you receive to balance the budget.
For me, it becomes a waste of my time to read, analyze, critique, and correct them … I’m not getting paid. I stopped reading Krugman over a year ago. I am sorry everytime I am enticed to read him now. Soon I will stop reading about him as well. Time is short.
In the meantime, for your listening pleasure, Happiness Is A Warm Gun.
Maybe the Mayans were right.
That part of Obama’s speech really made me see red. We have to do this because we HAVE to live up to the leadership role …
… That the neocons and exceptionalists, etc. have carved out for us?
No fucking thanks.
Oh, and just *who* elected us to do that?
Yes. Krugman’s & my fields overlap, so I don’t have any reason for reading him. Cole, OTOH, still knows a lot more about his subject than I do, so I’ll prolly continue to scan his posts.
They didn’t like Krugman either?
70777777777777!
Roger, that!
2X
I see acting to try to save 800,000 Tutsi in Rwanda or innocent civilians in Libya on an emergent basis as an entirely different issue from whether the effort succeeds or what government follows the effort.
If lives have been saved in Libya in the last week through our effort, that is an entirely different issue as to whether the effort will succeed in the long run.
Hell, who elected him to do that?
A lot of countries don’t have a constitution.
The U.S. does have one.
Following its dictates might avoid the problem outlined in the diary. There could be a consideration of the cost of taking a course of action, as there is with other matters, prior to acting.
Article I. – The Legislative Branch
Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power
To declare War
Oh, you say, it’s not a war? It’s a “humanitarian intervention” with bombs and rockets?
Well that’s covered too, under “Offenses against the Law of Nations.”
Article I. – The Legislative Branch
Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
So now we have to deal with President Obama acting like King John before the Magna Carta, starting a war (or a “humanitarian intervention”) on his own and then sending us the bill. That’s what brought about the Magna Carta — the barons were pissed that King John was acting then like President Obama is now.
Plus, of course, the downed jet, which somehow doesn’t get counted against our War On Libya, because (I guess) it failed mechanically and would have done so anywhere it was deployed.
What else isn’t counted in the very conservative half-billion dollars?
Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. I appreciate your compassion about this.
And WHO is paying for TEAM USA to be the Police Dept to the World???
There’s dozens of corrupt brutal dictators around the planet. I am truly sorry for citizens of brutal regimes. But WHY am I supposed to pay for their liberation?
This country has made choices over & over & over again to sit by and watch loads of citizens from other countries being wiped out by genocide: Tibet, East Timor, Rwanda & Cambodia spring readily to mind. It’s incredibly regrettable. In some cases, Team USA has made at least passing stabs to limit the brutality inflicted on nations by brutal dictators – via economic sanctions, etc – and sometimes we’ve done bupkiss.
The ONLY reason why Team USA is doing this action in Libya is bc of BigOIL. Period. The end. And believe me Team USA ain’t gonna do jack-squat about the “rights” and “freedom” of the Libyan “small people.” If you believe that’s gonna happen, then just keep clapping harder for Tinkerbell. /no snark
thumbtack! bedbug! punaise!
You can’t separate the two. That’s folly. All actions have consequences. Writing off the consequences because we may, repeat may, have done something noble is ludicrous.
That’s where I’m at as well. I’m all for saving Libyans, but what about the price tag? This needs to be kept at the forefront of the conversation. In light of what we’re facing as a country, with Republicans trying to slash and burn social programs, education, et al, and the Dems likely to fold at every turn, we need to focus on rampant spending on such a large scale.
Exactly. We saw in an earlier post that Eric Cantor got up on his hind legs on NPR and brayed out that Soc Sec has to be “robbed” by Peter to pay for Paul… and conservatives duly flocked to that post to wag their fingers as us dfh slackers bc we have some expectation of getting back the money that we paid in Soc Sec.
This nation IS bankrupt, and we are STILL engaged in two senseless wars started solely and only to enhance the coffers of the already obscenely wealthy.
There is NO way this is going to be a “quick action.” It’s already costing US citizens million$$$$$. I don’t want to PAY for this crap anymore, esp bc the Elites INTEND to STEAL Soc Sec.
Stop the madness, fer gawd’s sake.
guilty as charged, and probably then some!
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed frequently by Krugman.
About the only one I still haven’t been disappointed by (but I don’t read ALL of his blogs so I might’ve missed a disappointing one) is the Glenzilla.
To me, that guy has a great mind, with a compassionate heart, and is so dead on right about things most of the time I wish I could vote for him for President.
Actually, on edit, I CAN vote for him for President. And I’ve finally made up my mind who I am voting for next year.
I’ll be writing in his name, assuming I learn how to spell it correctly. 2 n’s in the first glenn, then one in the last, or do I have that backward?
I’d rather write a personal check to a needy family than pay another dollar in taxes to fund a war in the Middle East or North Africa.
Too bad the IRS would beat me up.
Let’s destroy the country to save the world.
i bet 90% of the bullets used in the world come from USA, USA ,USA
That’s what starts it.
With no defined goal or exit plan, there will be plenty more nice things we won’t be buying. Blergh.
The invasion of Libya is all about the “war economy”. The MIC is a relentless hydra of corporations that feeds on the imperialistic leanings of short sighted leaders and narcissistic capitalist. Has anyone else noticed that the Dow Jones is not really faltering at all with all the strife going on in the world? “War economics” is the scaffolding on which the global economy is sustaining itself on. The multi-national corporations which are the bullet factories have no sense of patriotism or nationalism. The profit margin knows no human compassion.
Those who would fool themselves into believing that US and NATO actions in Libya are for humanitarian reasons have quickly forgotten about places such as Darfur, the Gaza strip, and the multitude of places in the world where crimes against humanity have been ongoing.
The purpose of the invasion is to create new markets for the corporations and increase profits.
Yeah, and the whole POINT of the stupid Hyde amendment preventing federal dollars from being spent on abortions is that since some morally object to abortions, they shouldn’t have to pay for them with their tax dollars.
I’m ok with that IF then I don’t have to pay for what I morally object to also. That would be the war in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, and the UNCONSTITUTIONAL kinetic military action in Libya.
But nooooooooooooooooooooo, my morality doesn’t count. Only right wing morality matters.
I’ll let others delve into the cognitive dissonance of that statement since we all know right wingers have no morals.
Excellent choice! Glenn has a moral compass that does not quit. It’s very satisfying. Good company for Ms. Hamsher and all us ‘pups.
Ah, I see you used two “n”‘s in Glenn, so I had it right, two in the first name, one in the last.
Glenn Greenwald. That’s who I am writing in on my ballot in 2012.
Proudly.
EDIT: I’m not sure, but do you have to be a resident of the US to be President?? Ugh, guess that would count Glenn out if so.
CNN pushing the frame that it’s very disappointing that we are not in charge and don’t know what the military plan is and oh, dear, the prezzie was doing happy talk today but the rebels have suffered a setback.
*pundit handwringing*
What crap.
Me too eCahn.
I also find that your insatiable curiosity, habitual open-mindedness, committment to open exchange of ideas, troll-slayin, and eternal optimism in spite of the cynacism all around us, and
Your ironic sense of humor is what keeps me coming here everyday.
Wow.
Thanks so much for such wonderful compliments.
Glenn Greenwald ?…..now ya talking.
It’s become painfully obvious who’s priorities are being served by our government, and it doesn’t include 90% of the American people. The lies and kabuki get uglier and more pathetic every day.
I assume those bombs and missiles were already paid for whether they were deployed or warehoused. So, the cost and the spending of money already happened in the past.
Assuming the bombs and missiles dropped and fired will be replaced, that would be a new cost/expenditure, probably already budgeted and approved.
I wish I’d done coke, tons and tons of coke, so I’d have no septum in my nose anymore, and no way to be pulled by the ring that’s attached there now.
63
In response to OldFatGuy @ 63
Well said!!
Wish it were so…
“it’s also a question of judgment”
Very True – and I have disagreed with Prof Cole’s judgment for more than a decade – but he does bring a lot of knowledge – including conversation with those in the mid-east – albeit those who agree with him – to the discussion. But I can see your point.
As to Krugman, I am at a loss as to his error – the modern monetary theory is obviously true as to a country that issues its own currency can not be forced into default, but it would appear that other assertions made for it may be – as the Scots would say – “not proven” – either as to actual assertion (but this I have not seen myself) or as to side effects or other effects that would negate the suggested outcome (I posted a few possible examples a while back). Granted I am just an onlooker, and unlike yourself have not ever been a professional economist – and granted that in my little world of actuarial science I will get sensitive about things “actuarial” (whatever that may mean these days :-) ) – but I do not see anything that requires we drum him out of the club. The fact I agree with him 90% of the time of course does not cloud my judgment.
In any case thanks for the reply to the post. I understand your point – and indeed admire the strength of your principles (and the wit of your writing). Indeed this site with you, Margaret, and the others is a bit intimidating. //s
And the point that war should be paid for by those that benefit the most from its cost – the rich and corporate – rather than by taking from the poor and middle class is a point that I am trying to make to all that will listen.
Blue Texan is upstairs!
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Krugman really has become awful and just unreadable since Obama took office. He continues to be SHOCKED that obama can be such an awful president and simply doesnt understand why. Ive lost most of my respect for the guy. Plus all of is articles say the same thing over and over again. I mean doesnt the guy have anything new to say?
I second the Glenn Greenwald support. I dont read his stuff because its very legalize but i remember watching him on C-Span back when i used to watch it on occasion. Theyd have him and some right wing lunatic on and Glenn would just wipe the floor with the guy. Hes awesome and doesnt seem to be the typical “liberal” sellout.
Ok it is time for bed for me – I meant for the //s tag to go after “does not cloud my judgment” – as it obviously does cloud my judgment.
So forgive me the misplaced //s – it was not meant as a comment about you or anyone else.
I agree that Krugman gives Obama a lot of rope – more than he deserves.
But perhaps he is in the mode of trying to change Obama because the next 6 years are going to be hard to take if Obama does not change – and therefore is trying to not get too deep into Obama’a ignore list.
Krugman happens to be young enough and maybe humble enough to change and grow. Early fame and celebrity (which he didn’t shrink from) pretty much require him to always say something — the curse of the deadline.
I have his bubble-gum trading card in the same stack as Isaac Asimov and the two Goulds — Glenn and Stephen Jay.
That’s right, if we can’t stop them all we shouldn’t stop any(genocides) I say. ‘sides just cause we’ve been stealing thier oil for generations now to haul our fat asses around in gas guzzlers sure don’t mean we should pay to keep them AQ Libyans from gettin killed. http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE19/011/2011/en/5a97c7df-aee8-4830-9f2b-d54f805d2dc1/mde190112011en.html
Stupid Gaddafi. If he registered as a Republican then Obama would give him anything he wanted in the name of compromise
Krugman frames too many arguments as Republican vs Democrat. In Krugman’s world Republicans are the problem and are the only alternative if you abandon the Democrats. He’s too enamored with himself as being one of the chosen elites to really get it.
Glenn Greenwald 2012.