Overwhelmingly, the American people think the war in Afghanistan is not worth fighting, and 73 percent of the country wants us to withdraw substantial numbers of troops soon. Yet a majority of Americans, 53 percent, doubt President Obama and Congress will listen to the electorate about the war. From ABC News:
Indeed, with Gen. David Petraeus set to testify on Capitol Hill this week, a broad and bipartisan 73 percent of Americans say the United States should withdraw a substantial number of its combat forces from Afghanistan this summer. But just 39 percent think it will. (ABC News reported Monday that field commanders in fact are asking for more troops, and a senior official called a sizable reduction unlikely despite the administration’s July 11 date for a drawdown to begin.)
I don’t know what is a sadder commentary on on the state of our democracy:
- The fact that a majority of the country no longer expects their elected “representatives” to follow their wishes on such an important issue.
- The fact that our “representatives” will very likely take actions in such direct opposition to the electorate.
- Or the fact that the media isn’t treating this unbelievable disconnect and total failure of democracy as a huge national scandal.
To add insult to injury, at the same time Congress is heading toward a possible government shutdown over cutting tens of billions of dollars from domestic programs, ending the wars that Americans overwhelming oppose would reducing spending by over $100 billion.
It is no wonder Americans are no longer optimistic about in our system of government when it is so clearly not working.



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Number Three:
I’m still somewhat hopeful that as July approaches this story will gain momentum in the media. I’m much less hopeful that the MIC will care.
Yes, it does seem that we the people should be able to make enough intelligent and belligerent noise to get attention; that’s what finally got rid of LBJ and out of VN. Surely some old hippies still know how to yell and fight. Plus some vocal, intelligent kids who can see their future blowing up.
A government of, by and for the people my ass. We need a revolution to take back our power, people. Learn from North Africa.
Hey, it’s teh warz and the MIC is one of the MOTU. The media sucks MOTU ass and doesn’t care what flavor it is.
I think the poll is not indicative of anything other than the fact that U.S.ians get it: they understand the A war is for shit and that the pols don’t care what the voters think.
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How much more attached to reality could U.S.ians possibly be.
I’m kinda amazed at how little qualifies as a scandal anymore.
We could use an old tried and true method of communication: the leaflet.
With the ability to reproduce hundreds of copies for little dust individuals can hand them out for an hour or so daily, every other day, whatever.
Two-sided with short pieces from trusted news sites, maybe reduced font size to cram more into a small space. Just off the top of me head.
obama is worse than bush.
Holy Mother of God, this shows what a shell of a democracy we have. (Who’s got the power?)
I prepare and hand out leaflets every time I join a demonstration.
He is not worse than Bush, but Obama’s Afghanistan policy is absolutely abominable.
I’d guess it’s an end-of-empire thingy.
Not that I’ve ever personally observed the end of an empire close up & personal.
But if my hypothesis is correct, ought to be plenty of examples in Pravda at the end of the 1980s.
Here’s an 09 Pravda article which seems on-topic.
We do that too but I was thinking of what just an individual could do on his/her own.
I used to do that a long time ago. Max and I switched to stamps later; where we made rubber stamps to put ink on peoples hands, arms.
That worked well for a while, but you had to make cool looking stamps for people to let you stamp them/want to be stamped. (It’d wash off later, like a bar enter/return stamp.)
But in the last buncha years running around with a vid cam, and no Max to make nifty stamps, I’ve been bad at it.
What was the other Soviet propaganda rag besides Pravda.
I’m betting you’re thinking of Izvestia
Well of course. Think whatever you want. It’s just a poll, and how many times have you heard politicians say, on TeeVee with a straight face, that whatever poll they don’t like, doesn’t represent America. Or they just ignore the poll and proclaim in a speech or soundbite that “Americans don’t want (insert supposedly liberal thing here)”? Just the way it works.
It’s not about us. It’s about whatever agenda and lobbying money are important to the rep. It can’t be about us. We are the know-nothing sheep.
OK, here I get back on the soapbox I’ve been on for years: The media isn’t interested in what we think from a poll point of view. They don’t care about our beliefs or positions except as a point to throw at this week’s guest so he/she can tell us we don’t know what we are talking about or the poll is flawed or blah blah blah.
No, the media is interested in selling shit. That’s it. They want to sell us a absolutely fantastic car, deodorant from a hunky ex-football player, fantasy sex from B-actresses who love clean-shaven men, a clean bathroom, and sex sex sex.
That’s the game, it’s about dollars of advertising revenue–it drives the whole industry. It’s all about keeping the audience passive and receptive and not actively angry, but entertained and in the mood to buy shit…that they sell. The viewers can get angry, but only passively angry, so they tune into whatever TeeVee star will deliver their anger in a nice neat package, brought to you by the good folks who scam gold coins (as an example).
I mean, if we saw the world and country like it really is, we might rise up and challenge authority; and we certainly won’t be going to by a new 52″ LED TeeVee before the superbowl.
Sorry, I do get wrapped up in this.
But one more thing: they WILL cover a popular revolt if it fits the agenda and entertains. I’ve been wondering, what if the Wisconsin uprising consisted of teabaggers angry at a democratic governor and legislator? Would that have had nonstop coverage and hour upon hour of breathless reporting and pundit analysis? Of course it would. It’s not really threatening to the ownership class, it’s not going to change the direction of the country, and it doesn’t get people up off the couch to become dangerous activists.
Publicize the progressives and you might just end up with a problem on your hands. It might just change to dominate paradigm. It might just lead to Egypt.
I can’t make stamps but I can put together a cool looking leaflet. And SD as well, maybe we could coordinate a leafletting campaign nationally so the same message gets out everywhere and is thus reinforced? Just an idea. Florida, Texas and Colorado and anybody else we can bring on board. Thoughts?
Thanks. That’s exactly what I was thinking of.
You know what else works? Aside from leaflets and stamps, and bumper stickers?
Window clings. Those clear thingies you can put on the inside of car windows/storefronts, and they peel off cleanly.
Jon Walker and others have been making a clear point of late: Why is it that elected politicians in our country refuse to follow the will of the American people?
There are answers to this, of course, and much has been discussed. But, as the issue becomes clearer, I’m hoping there will be electoral consequences.
Oh yeah, they lurv them some ‘baggers. Rick Goodhair and 200 people in Austin talking about secession got at least five times the press than 100,000 people in Wisconsin talking workers’ rights.
Which is why gigantic WI and immigration rallies get so little attention & minuscule TP rallies get so much.
Heh. Pravda means “Truth” and “Izvestia” means “messages.” Like couriered, FedEx’d messages/dispatches.
That’s pretty much what we get.
Hmmm…Good thought but a bit more expensive and not something I can just churn out.
I’ll have a vodka screwdriver tonight eCAHN… :)
Besides, teabaggers are funny! It’s a non-stop reality show, with the stupidest people available, and every bit of coverage has us wondering, what crazy shit will they say next? Look at this signs! They can’t possibly really believe this stuff?
Progressives make a reasoned argument, well-articulated, often with specific workable plans. And their ideas could completely disrupt our culture as we know it. That’s scary.
How can there be electoral consequences when there is no electoral choice & outcomes are fixed by black box voting machines.
Just the art.
Centralized messaging but local production is what we actually do at my work. That’s how we get around paying for shipping and stuff. Just have the locality pick the art up off the web and produce on their own.
Did you notice my pun on an earlier thread about U.S. pravdaganda? Izvestia doesn’t work as a pun.
I’ve got a Hobgoblin Dark English Ale from Wychwood Brewery, Oxfordshire, in front of me, which might explain some of my word usage…
I’m thinking of a leaflet that puts Obama in a Marshal Petain uniform for a graphic.
I have all the ingredients. Sliding one down the bar, with a slice of orange garnish. Didn’t think you were the maraschino cherry type so I didn’t add one of those, but if you’d like one in future, just let me know.
That’s the idea. And a nationally coordinated message will amplify itself.
Good call. :)
You a Brit or just trying to play foody/drinky superiority card? *g*
Yup, knowing the choice is like picking Pepsi or Coke, you are absolutely right. And I knew that, too, as I typed my comment. Basically, we are royally fuct. What’s left to say?
I firmly believe that Obama is worse than Bush. He has destroyed the left and the Democratic Party. He can manuever to the right at will and there is no pressure from the left to force him left or even center. He is shameful, incompetent, narcissistic, corrupt, lazy, and a right wing corporatist who allows the right to label him a socialist. What a joke that is. He and Axelrod got all the money to promote the Chicago Olympics, the nuclear power industry, the bailout money grab and to destroy the Democratic Party Brand so there will be no opposition. And there is only token opposition. The media are totally corrupt too.
LOL – no, but that’s good.
Pravdaganda – Pravda; Truth. Paganda “paying for it.” Excellent.
LN up for hoots.
Sometimes I dislocate my shoulder patting myself on my back. Thanks for doing it for me this time to save me the pain & effort. *g*
The “system” works just fine for the plutocracy. When the people decide to storm Wall Street, K Street, the halls of Congress and the WH and drag the plutocrats out by the scruff of their necks to be held accountable for their crimes against the U.S public and the world at large then perhaps there is the faint glimmer of restoring the government in meeting the needs of it’s citizens and not just the elites.
Oh, that’s good.
Look at these news accounts; there are troubling allegations and very suspicious behavior by US officials that, taken together, indicate that our diplomatic rent-a-Rambo may have been involved in very serious crimes. An independent counsel investigation is certainly warranted.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-22/world/pakistan.us.shooting_1_aslam-tareen-raymond-davis-pakistani-taliban?_s=PM:WORLD
http://tribune.com.pk/story/122238/raymond-davis-the-plot-thickens/
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/raymond-davis-had-taliban-links-pak-media-87066
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-02-22/news/28621594_1_raymond-davis-taliban-mobile-phones
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/03/raymond-daviss-cell-phone-had-calls.html
http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/2011/02/08/%E2%80%98raymond-davis%E2%80%99-is-linked-to-terrorism-in-pakistan/
http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/17/davis-buys-his-flight-to-freedom.html
One would think that 15 million unemployed, or 24 million underemployed would be a sufficient mass to get into the streets, but they’re too disengaged and literally without hope.
Cynicism is manufactured by the plutocracy and distributed by the media. The false targets of low paid public employee unions are emphasized while the guys getting the biggest tax cuts are literally debating about Gulfstream V or a G650. “Do I really need international range to Asia?”
I had an enlightening conversation with a guy today who rubs shoulders with people on Wall Street. He was insulted that our talk about $5 million for life saving technology isn’t worth his time of day, $50-100 million deals for useless junk were where he put his effort.
That’s who owns our government. The SCOTUS of Roberts put it in writing for all to read without ambiguity.
Electing Obama was like going to the Godiva shop, mouth watering, and choosing a big gold foil-covered box with a red ribbon, going home and opening it to find only a big, stinking turd inside.
Alibe, I agree with you. The younger generation, who supported him enthusiastically, is now thoroughly disillusioned. A right wing hawk who hates Obama is a racist, and a progressive who still likes him is either a hypocrite or delusional.
As I heard it, Pravda meant “Truth” and “Izvestia” means “news” so the Russians had a joke that said that:
There’s no Truth in the News, and
No News in the Truth.
The Russians were wiser than us, because they knew they were being lied to.
It’s because there is no draft. If there were conscripts getting their legs and crotches blown off, there would be more heat on the Congress critters. With a volunteer army of poor people trying to get ahead on their signing bonus by playing the concealed bomb lottery, the war is happening to somebody else. People are fed up because we aren’t winning. They could care less about the casualties. That’s why the government knows it can hold out. There isn’t enough palpable pain out there to make a difference.
No Izvestia in Pravda, no Pravda in Ivestia was how the Russians put it.