Update: As bmaz points out, the Army’s release of either the occurrence or details of any mental health referral, consultation or treatment is a violation of Manning’s privacy and HIPPA-related rights.
Last night’s DoD press conference on Bradley Manning was a bizarre affair. Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell was snappish, hectoring and ill-prepared. They were clearly thrown when Jim Miklaszewski reported that the Quantico brig commander acted inappropriately in putting Manning on suicide watch, and the journalists present greeted Morrell’s excuses with extreme skepticism.
As Marcy Wheeler noted earlier, “It’s clear…that DOD’s press shop is struggling to craft a party line about Manning’s treatment that both appears coherent and that somehow refutes Miklaszewski’s reporting.”
So what does a flailing press operation do when they can’t kill the public momentum building for an investigation? Why put out an anonymous hit piece on Bradley Manning to act as a wet blanket, of course:
Probe: Army was warned not to deploy WikiLeaks suspect
Pfc. Bradley Manning’s direct supervisor warned that Manning had thrown chairs at colleagues and shouted at higher-ranking soldiers in the year he was stationed at Fort Drum, N.Y., and advised that Manning shouldn’t be sent to Iraq, where his job would entail accessing classified documents through the Defense Department’s computer system.
But superior officers decided to ignore the advice because the unit was short of intelligence analysts and needed Manning’s skills, two military officials familiar with the investigation told McClatchy Newspapers.
“Two military officials familiar with the investigation.” Anonymous, of course. It’s an orchestrated hit piece on Manning. How convenient.
They claim he yelled at some people and threw some chairs. And who do they compare him to?
It’s the second time in just over a year that Army practices have come under intense internal scrutiny after a major security failing. A similar probe after an Army psychiatrist allegedly opened fire on fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, Texas, in November 2009, killing 13, also focused on how superiors failed to take action despite signs that Maj. Nidal Hassan, who had exchanged e-mails with a radical Yemeni-American cleric, was seriously disaffected and might turn violent.
Nidal Hassan, who killed 13 people.
At one point, Manning, who joined the Army in 2007, saw a mental health specialist, officials said, but it’s unclear what came of that meeting.
“Saw a mental health specialist.” Once. Clearly that means he’s in Travis Bickle territory and ready to snap.
Except according to his attorney, Iraq veteran Lieutenant Colonel David Coombs, brig psychiatrists have said Manning is not a danger to himself or others and should be removed from POI watch/MAX custody:
The brig forensic psychiatrist’s recommendation comes as no surprise given the fact PFC Manning has been a model inmate. At no time has he been disrespectful, violent or noncompliant. PFC Manning does not exhibit any of the criteria normally established for MAX custody under the Navy Instruction. Given the consistent recommendation of the brig forensic psychiatrist and PFC Manning’s model behavior, it is unclear why he is still held in MAX custody and under POI watch.
If the brig commander made no mistakes, as Morrell claims, an investigation should not be a threat to anyone involved. Captain David P. Price, who spent 25 years U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General’s Corps wrote to Dylan Ratigan today:
Throughout history are instances where individuals have abused their authority. No law or regulation will ever prevent misconduct from occurring. What laws can do, however, is provide a mechanism for holding wrongdoers accountable for their actions, whether it be PFC Manning as concerns the allegations against him; or Brig Commander James Averhart and the accusations being made against him. What is essential is responsible leadership, at all levels in the military chain of command, up to the President, as Commander-in-Chief, if necessary; and through oversight responsibilities of the Congress to ensure that military personnel suspected of offenses are not being abused and that their rights are being protected.
The leak that facilitated this hit piece is the very antithesis of the accountability Captain Price calls for. It demonstrates a sloppy, desperate, out-of-control process where nobody is taking responsibility, and everyone is consumed with throwing blame and CYA.
I have no idea what Bradley Manning did or didn’t do. But if we’re a nation of laws and not of men, then we must guard above all else the integrity of the rules and processes by which we determine guilt or innocence. Failure to do so will mean the inevitable slide into despotism and tyranny.
It’s not just Bradley Manning. We all deserve better than this.




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Truly Nixonian. That’ll teach us Manning’s supporters not to go snooping around.
Wrong.
Contradicted himself logically from his past statements about the dangerous of wiki leak as Frank333 noted last night. Insulted the Marine Corps by implying that Marine Guards were treating Brad as a Dangerous Prisoner because he was a threat to armed Marine guards. Seemed to logically contradict himself tell me does his job require a drug test or does he have multiple personalities?
Wondering why it took Pentagon so long to figure out to further demonize Manning. It seems like such an obvious thing that they do all the time.
We have an army letting in Skin heads and Gangbangers but oh throw a chair yell at a superior officer? We never went after the guys who gave the order to torture at abu Graid but Bradley is the one who should have never been deployed?
Blackwater can shoot civilians nobody goes to jail. KBR can rape and kidnap an American woman nothing is done but Brad throws a chair and he is the one who never should have gone to Iraq?
The Army runs the Americans in Iraq so yes Blackwater and KBR as American companies should be under their jurisdiction. Yes should does not as facts bear out does not mean they are.
Incompetence they thought they had already won the battle in the MSM to demonize him?
“thrown chairs at colleagues and shouted at higher-ranking soldiers”
I don’t know what may have changed, but when I was in the service this would have been enough to get in serious trouble. If I had to guess I’d say they are deliberately taking relatively innocuous events out of context. Perhaps what we have here is horseplay and an overly heated political discussion, twisted to suit the nefarious purposes of the DOD’s PR wing.
Leaking Private Army records to the press? Those records would not be classified would they? Did the army just commit the crime they accused Brad of?
Thanks for the post and some already insightful comments.
Another thing that this seems to indicate is the disarray of empire building. Lots of weird shit going on all the time associated with the military on one level or another. Women get sexually harassed in the military and the offender barely gets a tap on the wrist. Many issues with outsourcing former military duties to the private sector and everyone collectively shrugs and looks the other way.
Of course Manning is a cautionary tale for us all. Any “small person” striking a perceived blow against the empire (torturing Iraqi’s does not fall under this definition) is *going to be punished with extreme prejudice.*
Wake up, sheeples.
Free Bradley Manning!!
For sure, the DoD thought Manning had already been demonized enough by innuendo. For example, the trolls claiming he is a traitor should show up in 5…4…3…
So I guess they were caught with their pants down when Manning reemerged as a DoD victim, and the corp press lapdogs didn’t do what they were supposed to do.
Still, it’s been a couple of days, and I’da thought thought the DoD would get their act together sooner.
Thanks Jane!
I hope no one will mind if I reprise my commentary on this article from EW’s last Manning post:
Didn’t know that Manning was only 5’2″ and a hundred pounds or so. Just proves that bravery isn’t related to size.
And the notion that he would be a threat to his Marine guards? If that’s the case, the Marine Corps is doomed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Personnel_Records_Center
Maybe the records are not classified but is smearing a solders name before his trial a responsible approved use of his records?
If so I want Bush’s war records now!
McClatchy was clearly given this nugget by someone in DOD:
Um, they should not be yamering on Manning’s service record at all, but sure as hell should not be releasing either the occurrence or details of any mental health referral, consultation or treatment that is in apparent direct violation of Manning’s privacy and HIPPA related type of rights.
I sure would like to know what PFC Manning did to get him on suicide watch last week.
I his pic, he looks like he’s about 12 years old & dressed up in a military uniform to go to a Halloween apple dunking contest.
Maybe a bunch of Karl Rove appointees still in the Pentagon Press office? Without Karl they lack a brain?
1. What is Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996?
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”) issued the Privacy Rule to implement the requirement of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (“HIPAA”).
The Privacy Rule standards address the use and disclosure of individuals’ health information, called “protected health information” by organizations subject to the Privacy Rule, called “covered entities,” as well as standards for individuals’ privacy rights to understand and control how their health information is used.
2. Is the Military Health System (MHS) required to comply with HIPAA?
The Military Health System (MHS) must comply with the requirements of HIPAA, whether the medical care is provided to an eligible beneficiary at a Military Treatment Facilities (MTF) or the health care is contracted through TRICARE health network services.
http://www.ig.navy.mil/complaints/Complaints%20%20(HIPAA).htm
We are all endangered by the quiet kid who sticks his used gum on the underside of his desk! Doncha know?/s
Hmmm . . shouting at superiors, followed by throwing chairs . . . That sounds familiar. Let’s go to the video tape . . .
Funny, but I don’t remember this guy being tossed into a maximum security cell. In fact, he was praised in certain circles for it.
Does HIPPA apply to USG? They often exempt themselves from such laws.
Under the privacy rules, you have the right to receive a notice of MHS privacy practices from the MTF; access, review and receive a copy of your personal medical record or health care information on file at the MTF; request a change or correct an error in your medical record; know how, when and to whom your medical information is disclosed; file a grievance with the MTF regarding a privacy concern; and finally, provide written instructions on your personal preferences regarding use and disclosure of your personal health information.
Your personal health care information may be disclosed to other healthcare providers such as specialists, pharmacists, or laboratory technicians who, at the request of your primary care manager, may need access to your private healthcare information to provide you with optimal care.
MTFs may not share your personal healthcare information with outside sources for marketing, health care research, or any other reason without your knowledge and written consent.
http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/pcola/Patients/Pages/HIPAAPRIVACYOFFICER.aspx
Thanks. You anticipated my Q at 19.
That picture makes it impossible to sell him as a threat to armed Marine prison guards. The Pentagon’s PR people need this to go away now they don’t want more people seeing that picture when they talk about him being a threat it makes them look silly.
Good then who in the Army leaked this and why are they not in jail? I assume the Army is investigating failing to investigate suggests this was a sanctioned leak by someone high up.
Wait that was me!!!
It’s a short trip from wikileaks to wikipissed.
Can we talk about why we’re losing more Soldiers to suicide than IED’s this year…? *gah*
I hope you’ve mended your ways. Improperly disposed of chewing gum in one of my biggest pet peeves. It’s all over the Manhattan sidewalks and subway floors in disgusting blotches.
That was my immediate question. What about his Patients’ Rights? Why are they revealing his confidential mental health records?
That shit was questionable when they did it after Hassan’s death.
I don’t understand why our army feels it is okay to divulge confidential medical histories.
So, will that “anonymous official” be held responsible?
I demand an investigation. That person is obviously in direct violation of the military’s guidelines, as well as civilian law.
Yes Ma’am!
Repeating my comment about Morrell in the video, from Marcy’s post
Sure any theories? maybe all the army psychologists are to busy examining Brad to see if he’s not suicidal when the Base Commander insists that he is and deserves to be help under suicide watch?
Seriously a diary on troop suicides would and the reasons why would be great.
And where did a 5’2″, 105 pound Manning get a chair to throw? He “yelled” at someone?
Pfc Manning is being guarded by significantly larger, stronger and heavier men with voices like drill instructors’, who are trained to stomp on bloody entrails (so as not to lose their footing in combat) and think nothing of it, except that “napalm sticks to kids” a familiar cadence call (though from another service). I doubt that Mr. Manning, even were he experiencing a wild delirium, would have been considered a threat to his own grandmother.
Manning was an analyst, a computer geek, not a special forces operative who could take off the head of Steven Seagal. This is another expression of character assassination before all the charges are filed, a trial is held and the verdict comes in.
Whatever Manning did, he is being used as a political pinata by a military and political machine – like the one that obsessed over Albert Dreyfus – that can never be wrong.
Morrell finally catapulted the truth about Manning. It is punishment to intimidate and scare any other whistleblowers. Wikileaks has demonstrated the US Government is a captive of multinational corporations and offshore banksters. These “gobalists” are on an international crime spree, that includes wars, murder, rape and massive theft.
As usual the secrecy is necessary because we have a “shadow government” controlled by Goldman Sachs? SAIC? Blackwater? Lockheed?
Wikileaks has shown manty of the war crimes that undermine US national security. And Morrell is part of that Crime Family as he lies to protect war criminals. Maybe we will discover who actually makes the decisions, someday. We will discover what secret committees, tells Morrell what lies to catapult, if there are more whistleblowers. I am guessing the list of secret war monger leaders includes the Cheney’s, Michael Hayden, Marvin Bush, Phillip Mudd, Erick Prince, John Poindexter, Stephen Friedman, Richard Armitage, Richard Haas…
Money Quote can Brad use a whistle blower defense?
(((TCU))) Thanks!
We’ve got too few Psychologists handling far too many…! These days having to visit the Army shrinks, pre- and post, Deployment, is another box that needs to be initialed as one deploys… Right along with seeing JAG to ensure we had wills etc…! 8-(
That is a free market based saving measure from Big Gum. The more chewing gum laid down the better the protective layer on the sidewalks.
It holds the concrete together. And ameliorates the poor concrete from Stiletto Heel Impact Syndrome. (aka: Shise)
In the video, it is clear that Morell is reading from a script or outline. Premeditated responses. Steering the presser toward his talking points.
When my late husband was discharged at the end of WWII, he had something like a dishonorable in the works because he’d taken a military motorcycle awol, from wherever he was stationed in Germany, to Prague to track down a childhood girlfriend. In the process, he got captured by the Soviets and interrogated. He escaped on the rooftops of Prague, got to some U.S. location & was ferreted out in the back of a truck. (Anyhow, that’s the story he told.)
So when he arrived back at the discharge center in the U.S., he got the paper pusher to go out for a smoke & altered his records.
Those were the days!
Still looks like shit. *g*
OT-Egypt Shuts Down Internet And Text Messaging Ahead Of Million-Man Protests
It’s game on tomorrow…!
It’s going to be a very interesting day, to say the least.
Bets are that Mubarak can hold it together, but I remember collapse of Soviet Union like it were yesterday, and the bets were strongly against collapse.
When I was in, throwing furniture and shouting at higher ranking people would have gotten you written up, relieved and almost certainly confined for a while. You would have definitely faced mast. If Manning has never had any disciplinary action brought against him, then I call bullshit.
If Manning really is 5’2″, 100+ pounds, he prolly was flicking matchsticks, not throwing furniture.
*heh* True story… I’ve got a Company grade Article 15 in my file for telling my CO ‘Bullshit’…! He didn’t like the fact I was right at the time…! Some people… *sheesh*
Now is the time for Justice to rear it’s ugly head.
Torture/ Murder/ Treason is the cause, an unchecked or un-indicted cancer upon our body politic.
Bradley Manning Torture is the symptom of this unchecked cancer.
Or a bunch of them were getting drunk on the beach on liberty and there was an argument over the rules of a card game. I find that scenario much more likely.
I used to pull out the NATOPS and show pilots they were full of shit routinely. They couldn’t do anything about it but grit their teeth. :-D
We can interpret this statement from the arrogant wimpy chickenhawk Morrell as a THREAT. He is telling the corporate journalists to obey the neo-con propaganda machine and they probably will. However he is also making it up close and person with Miklaszewski.
It is hilarious this chickenshit phony tells reporters, I mean “admonishes” reporters to “proceed with caution”. War is Peace. Truth is Lies. Morrell is a Fascist Bully.
As I’ve typed several times before, we have no idea what the truth is. The only thing we know for sure is that it is NOT what the USG is saying.
Peter principle works in the military the best.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/02/bradley-manning-wikileaks-dadt
I wonder if the Bradley Manning arrest was an attempt to stop the repeal of DADT – and now they do not know what to do with him.
To let Jane know….I hope you get some fine public interest prize…this is a story so important and worth telling, and you got it out there….Cheers.
For ex, local chapters of Social Workers give Public Citizen awards….that would be a start….Then, think bigger. In this tragic situation, the content of one’s character that Dr. King saw as so valuable here is reflecting the character of the US and even the military. Not appearing so good.
Wall St. isn’t far behind.
It can’t be said any plainer or simpler, Frank, thanks for your comment.
Between the action in the Middle East, and the domestic bullshit at home (Manning, bs SOTU, and such) I detect a REAL visible note of concern on the part of our status quo . . . corporate, political, financial and military wise.
Shit’s beginning to stir methinks . . .
Even if true, these revelations would indict the army and its chain of command, not Pfc Manning. It would also suggest the army was so desperate to get bodies into its Middle Eastern wars, it was shipping over known defects and potential liabilities. That’s a concept that civil litigators would call a reckless disregard for the safety of those individuals, anyone they might come in contact with, including civilian populations, and the operations of which they formed a part. Pretty damning – of the US military, not Pfc Manning.
If these things were true – or at least true in the context the army now seeks to frame them in – odds are the military would not have released them. It’s not prone to wash its dirty linen in public, to acknowledge publicly its own wrongdoing, and definitively to fix it. Look how long it’s putzed about with the legion of problems at Walter Reed.
This is an attempt at character assassination. I’d like to know which press officers in the Pentagon or White House dreamt it up and what the army itself thinks of it. I imagine more than a few members of the army are not happy with it. It rather goes against the grain of “leave no man behind” and “you go, we go”.
None of this relates to the conduct Manning is accused of. It all distracts from his current treatment, that he has not yet been indicted for all charges the government might come up with, or been tried or convicted of anything. It has nothing to do with Mr. Assange publishing information sent to him anonymously that might reveal corruption, wrongdoing or crimes committed by governments.
If the turnout is gonna be as big as I think (many millions, full streets, jammed), this could be epic in terms of Mubarak’s thugs response . . .
And if Egypt turns out many millions in every city and town and hamlet . . . it will be a huge turning point . . . . in history.
Cuz it’s gonna be either a GOOD thing, or the worst civilian crackdown ever heard of.
Things are heating up everywhere, it seems . . . AW dot com and Asia Times Online are loaded with stuff past few days on all KINDS of issues . . . . including financial issues from AT Online . . . I assume you been keeping up with it all, sharp as you are.
*G*
Our foreign policy and wealth inequality are being severely challenged . . . with more to come, soon, I believe.
Your Welcome:)
It also occurred to me to emphasize that the “highest authorities” are promoting this Kangaroo Court attack on Manning. I am guessing that everything and everyone having anything to do with Wikileaks, Manning, Assange, or “Anonymous” get their own special COINTELPRO, above and beyond the normal COINTELPRO.
So many thanks to Jane, Marcy and the great commentators here, keeping up this fight. They have something that Morrell does not have. That is COURAGE.
Mind my manners, yes . . . thanks Mz. Hamsher, Wheeler, Mr. Dayen and all FDL and Pups for the ongoing attention to Manning, Tunesia/Egypt/Yemen, etc.
These are increasingly heated times all of a sudden . . .
If it comes down to starving or supporting a royal class, ask the French royalty how that went.
It’s remarkable the way the courageous Bradley Manning is becoming the fulcrum of something much bigger than himself. I’m glad we’re backing him to the hilt.
The best way to thank them is open our wallets.
Thanks Jane, you shining star.
Frankly, I don’t care if Manning threw a chair at a superior, or raised his voice.
I care that he heroically leaked documentation of war crimes and other government misdeeds and that he is being held in isolation for punative reasons. I care that the only regular visitor he’s had–the same one who’s documented Manning’s physical and mental decline–has been intimidated and prevented from visiting.
The rest of it is just noise to drown out the facts.
The thing that just keeps niggling away in the back (and front) of my mind is that we have no idea of his present condition or if he’s even alive.
I’m shocked that a low ranking soldier like Pfc. Manning would even be in a position to access the high level information that ended up in Wikileaks possession.
It seems that the U.S. Gov is really good at spying up other peoples a**holes, while leaving their own behind wide open.
Curious state of affairs.
That’s funny.
His attorney indicates on his blog that he speaks with Bradley regularly over the phone.
Jane,
Will you make another attempt to help David House visit?
Understood if you would prefer not to comment.
Thank you for all you’ve done.
HIPAA is pretty worthless. It was primarily intended to give the health industry legal cover to use electronic records. It was sold to the public as exactly the opposite. Maybe Manning has some additional protections from being in the military. I doubt it.
That doesn’t make this disclosure any less outrageous. In civilian court at least it would be thrown out of court as prejudicial and irrelevant. This is a sneaky way to make info public that they otherwise couldn’t use.
Their imagination in concocting lies is both feeble and unintentionally self-revealing. Yelling at someone and throwing around chairs is precisely what interrogators do when following the Army Field Manual’s approved “Fear Up” technique. I wrote about this some months back, and you can watch a tape of this kind of behavior, released by The Guardian, although it shows British not US interrogators engaging in this “technique.”
In manufacturing violent behavior for Manning, they drew upon their own experience of violence. By drawing an equivalency between Manning and Nidal, they produced a deadly amalgam of their own, mixing together “terrorism” and mass murder, which is a set-up for Manning’s safety if others should read this.
This government will truly do whatever it can when it wants to destroy someone’s credibility. It’s frightening.
I thought I saw that earlier, but I can’t find it now. Can you provide me a link to it?
I’d really like to know if he’s spoken with Bradley since David was denied visitation last weekend.
Sounds like they are setting up a Mental Instability case against him – possibly to explain his future “suicide.”
This is ominous. First Morell issues a thinly-veiled threat against Miklashevksi (sp?), now they are letting Manning’s lawyer know they are bringing in all sorts of scurrilous, unsubstantiated slanders at trial – if Manning lives that long.
Right now, the Marine Col./Gen. who is Base Commandant is responsible for Manning’s situation – not the brig chief, whoever that may be. That’s the guy you have to put on the spot. Let him know he will be held personally responsible in the eyes of the world.
And according to the Base website, the Base Commander is a piece of work: A career marine officer who has never served in Combat, despite the three wars during his career. He HAS, however, served five tours in the recruiting branch, which as anyone who has served in the military can tell you, contains the biggest liars/salesmen in the service. In other words, a professional prevaricator. Looks like the military’s version of a chickenhawk – and therefore very dangerous for Manning. All about image, though, so might be vulnerable to publicity and pressure. it is time to get his name out there into the story: the brig chief and the gate guards were following HIS orders.
exactly right – confinement, at the least, and it would be in his record. Too bad the reporter who had it leaked to him/her didn’t know enough about military discipline to call Bullshit on the leaker. Since they didn’t, I will: Bullshit. He would have lost ALL security clearance if he had a Psych consult, you can bet your ass.
The base commander is Daniel Choite, a 28 year Colonel who has to either make flag (general) or retire at thirty years. Is he on a farewell tour, or still ambitious for higher rank?
http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/activities/display.aspx?PID=1492&Section=CO
Jane Hamsher deserves a Pullitzer. However unlikely. But to the point.
A Vietnam-era veteran, I did my last year in the army at Ft. Carson, CO. Army Security Agency, Chinese linguist, now working in the motor pool awaiting discharge while walking pathways outlined with painted rocks.
It came to pass that Jane Fonda, the movie star, made a publicized visit to the Ft Carson brig, which threw the entire base into a frenzy of fear: at a little lady coming for a visit. Our company commander flipped out –in a company gathering he exclaimed that he would shoot anyone (and aim to kill) who tried to climb the fence to our faux secret compound.
This on a base with tanks and armored personnel carriers armed with 50mm machine guns. For little Jane Fonda, fergawdsakes.
It’s time a big name, preferably a movie star with lots of buzz, attempt to visit poor Bradley.
Jane, thank you for your attention to the Manning case. I have something to share with you, but do not wish to use this as a way to do it. However, you do have access to my email address, and would be happy to share what I know. I’m not so sure about the privacy of even that form of communication.
With regard to this post, I never encountered, in any of my graduate study of Clinical Psychology research, the term “forensic psychiatrist”. That is until the travails of Bruce Ivins. You may recall that Ivin’s group counselor reported to the press statements made by “his psychiatrist”. These struck me at the time as inappropriate and started me digging. I found that the remarks were generated by a forensic psychiatrist, and a quick trip to Wikipedia identified such a specialty as one who acts as a profiler for law enforcement, and serve as expert witnesses. They do not often observe or interview “patients”, but tend to review records and reports. Manning’s attorney may well have used the words of such a specialist to his client’s advantage, but people here and close to Manning should not interpret such tesimony as one would typically regard the opinions of a service provider with a fiduciary interest in the well being of a patient. I smell a rat.
Jane…or FDL pups…
maybe someone can decipher this for me: I received this email after I had written an online email letter to President Obama through the Salsa.net website requesting that Bradley Manning receive just treatment and stop being harrassed and confined in solitary. I had supplied my name, address, etc.
I do not like the looks of this, especially some of the tags involved…are we all being watched when it comes to defending Bradley?? If so, this MUST stop and we must MAKE them stop this facist crap! Goddamn government SS troops!
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Retire at 30 years of service, not age.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promotions/l/blofficerprom.htm
Forensic psychiatrists do interview patients, but they do not have a treating relationship.
In my experience they are hired-guns who will say whatever you want them to say, but the courts put a lot of faith in them.
There’s a contact us link at the top right of this page.
Jane, thank for your continued interest and assistance in Manning’s case. In my graduate studies in Clinical Psychology, I did not encounter the term: forensic psychiatrist. That is, until we all began to follow the travails of Bruce Ivins. You may recall his group counselor reported to the press remarks made by “his psychiatrist”; this struck me as profesionally inappropriate and got me digging. Turns out these remarks were generated by a forensic psychiatrist who apparantly was working for the FBI. A quick look at wikipedia indicated that this specialty constructs profiles for law enforcement and gives expert tesimony in court. The do not generally observe nor interview their subjects.
Mannings attorney may well have used the words of such a specialist to his client’s advantage, but people here and those close to Manning should not mistake this testimony as being the opinion of a practitioner with a fiduciary interest in his client’s well being. I smell a rat.
Jane, I have other information that I prefer not to disclose in this format. This information regards Manning’s health and well being. You have access to my email address, and I welcome your contact.
Every (Military) generation needs its Eddie Slovik.
Wow. Whe I read your comment, the hair on my neck went up. I had just written a comment, but after submitting, it disappeared. After wondering for a while, I decided to rewrite it. Then, oddly, both comments appeared.
Thanks for the info on interviewing. I thought that would be appropriate even if not always done. In the Ivins case, the hired gun aspect seemed obvious.
You think the “contact us” is a good way to do what I want here?
Michael Moore?
Repost this on another thread any thread just say Off Topic and ask for help this thread is done nobody is here.
Ha ha, that’s a great story. When I was in college, one of my summer jobs was to scan hospital personnel records into a database. So naturally I got to skim everyone’s record (I was just a temp and didn’t know anyone).
Anytime I came across someone written up for disciplinary letter, well as judges say, I conducted a de novo review (“as if the reviewing court were considering the question for the first time”). If it looked like a BS complaint or that employee was just having a bad day– well, somehow those disciplinary letter didn’t survive the transition to the digital age. :o)
To expand on Nixon’s famous utterance: It’s not illegal if the GOVERNMENT does it. What Bush started, Obama codified. The Government is absolutely above the law.
apart from questioning “Private” army records available to almost 3m fed employees, are they admitting wikileaks to be a member of the “press”?
somethings don’t add up in the miami herald article linked to as this:
if manning was using headphones, the only person insulated from the whirring of computer’s cd drive would be himself – how does that explain the sound to others?
or this:
how does the military interpret co-operation? doing what they want you to do? anything else, however sincere, is non cooperation?
also, isn’t manning’s consultation with a mental health specialist subject to privacy regulations? this is very personal medical history that anonymous officials should have no right to release for public consumption without patient’s approval, assuming it is true and even if it is, so?
these anonymous officials are so exercised in imputing guilt without trial, they are tying themselves in knots in contradicting themselves
how does anonymity of officials add or detract from the ‘official’ reliability of their pronouncements? this is such a political issue, are military commissions allowed to admit evidence of heinous inuendos that corrupt the trial process itself?
and if wikileaks is admitted to be of the ‘press’, this surely is more akin to whistleblowing than treason and regardless of the wh stance, what standing does whistleblower legislation have with military commisions?
I was struck by the smirk on his face as he “admonished” the reporters assembled to “be very careful” about what they wrote. You could almost hear his Prussian accent as he told them “Ve have vays to…” Well, no, he didn’t actually do that, but it really sounded like a serious warning. Write what I’m saying or your boss will fire you — we can influence that! And in truth probably none of the MSM are going to report on this except when they absolutely can’t avoid it.
Bush had no war records. He barely had National Guard records. What I want is the police record for his cocaine bust daddy covered up in Texas. We know it happened as he did his community service. Everything else has disappeared.
Not to worry, though, Obama will get after that leaker too. (Yeah, right.)
I agree with Margaret and others who served and know how this works – if Manning “threw a chair” or did anything else that was worthy of reprimand or punishment, he would have been disciplined THEN and THERE for it.
In a real trial, if the prosecution tried to get this admitted into evidence, it would likely fail. You don’t get to present the jury with anonymous “somebody remembers that he threw a chair once, but it never made it into his fitreps or any other official file…” crap. That is hearsay of the baldest degree, and it would be trashed out as inadmissible. And the prosecution would look foolish for trying.
They chose the press leak strategy for that reason. To get something admitted into the court of public opinion that would NEVER have been admitted into a court of law or equity. We must remember that.
Second – this slur is no different than a million others they could have used. Maybe he fell asleep at parade rest once. Maybe he used foul language in front of a civilian while in uniform. Maybe he jacked off in a barracks bathroom once. Maybe he got in a bar fight that only anonymous people remember. Hell, maybe he even slept with a prostitute while on leave once!!! THROWING A CHAIR? Wow. And that’s worthy of even a news leak? They couldn’t paint him as a Neo-Nazi or Aryan Nation guy – or as a gangbanger or secret Islamic terrorist could they? He’s a mild-mannered, short white guy who is gay! The PR folks had no idea how to smear PFC Manning. So, they smear him with “CHAIR THROWING!”
And what about all the prostitution that goes on while servicemen are on leave? What about the bar fights? A lot of chairs get thrown there too. And this particular chair throwing was so non-severe, there are no more details or context to go with it. Seriously? He has a file in his record that says on one page “threw chair” ????
And as far as a psych visit ONE TIME in 2007 — hey everybody in uniform has to undergo that as a routine check-the-box item.
What’s the next leak/smear strategy? That he has shots too? That he was naked in front of a female nurse? That some straight guy saw him naked once in a shower? That he smiled at other male servicemembers? That he forgot to polish one of his shoes?!
If all he did was throw a chair, then maybe they should be investigating all those guys who burned their pregnant servicemember girlfriends in their backyards or gangraped their Staff Sergeant’s wife after shooting him in the head because it was an inter-racial marriage. Maybe THOSE should have been people NOT DEPLOYED to Iraq.
I hope the American public is not so foolish to fall for this crap. If we are, then I will restate my thesis – this is not only a Fascist nation now, but it is a democratically elected Fascist Republic with a ready and willing nation of sheeples who know its fascist and are happy with it. A fascinating political historical study of how people can utlimately freely choose their own oppression and be happy with it.
The US has fallen low, and is still falling. WE THE SHEEPLE have let it come to this. Amazing what 10 years of terrorist-paranoia and fear-mongering can do to turn people into sheeple.
It’s a limited hangout
See this: Cables released supported regime change in Iran
And it has the ancillary benefit of them making an argument for internet I.D.s
Did I miss it?
What top official has the White House appointed to determine who leaked private details of Manning’s life in military custody to the media?
I mean, I just KNOW President Obama, with his visceral hatred of leakers, has instructed a thorough, hard-hitting investigation to begin at once and when the leakers are found they will face dismissal if not incarceration.
If this is true, then the military is in desperate need of a brain transplant. To place a person in need of psychiatric care in a position to do what Manning is accused of doing is asinine. But I don’t believe anything they say, because they lie all the time. They are squandering a very precious commodity: the public’s trust.
I think we are already in the first stages of a dictatorship. If the President reads this blog, and doesn’t like what he reads, it is my understanding that he has the power to declare any of the commentators here to be terrorists to be assassinated. Thus part of the Constitution has already been replaced by the word of a man–the right to a fair trial. It is of the utmost importance, I believe, that this “right” of the President to assassinate (murder) American citizens be struck down by the Supreme Court. Otherwise “America the free” will be a thing of the past. That is my humble opinion.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
-Pastor Martin Niemoeller-