Last night, anonymous military officials admitted to NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski that Quantico Brig Commander James Averhart abused his authority when he placed Bradley Manning on suicide watch as punishment for failure to obey orders.
The admission comes after Manning’s friend David House was detained by military police and prevented from visiting him at Quantico last weekend. Jake Tapper of ABC News asked Robert Gibbs about the incident yesterday during a White House press briefing, and wanted to know if the administration was concerned about the way Manning is being treated. Gibbs referred him to “the authorities that are holding him [Manning].”
Col. T.V. Johnson, Quantico spokesman, has long denied that Manning is in solitary confinement, and has only been place on “Prevention of Injury” watch (POI) under solitary confinement-like conditions so he “does not injure himself,” per the New York Times.
Yet, three brig psychiatrists have examined Manning since August, and all of them say Manning is not a suicide risk. Each of them has recommended that Manning’s POI order be lifted. Commander Averhart has consistently ignored their recommendations, however, and last week made Manning’s confinement even harsher when he classified him as a suicide risk.
According to Manning’s attorney David Coombs, who filed an Article 138 complaint against Averhart for abusing his authority:
The suicide risk assignment meant that PFC Manning was required to remain in his cell for 24 hours a day. He was stripped of all clothing with the exception of his underwear. His prescription eyeglasses were taken away from him. He was forced to sit in essential blindness with the exception of the times that he was reading or given limited television privileges. During those times, his glasses were returned to him. Additionally, there was always a guard sitting outside of his cell watching him.
The acknowledgment of anonymous military officials that Averhart abused Manning’s medical classification to unnecessarily subject him to harsh, degrading and restrictive conditions clearly demonstrates that Quantico officials have made false statements about what they are doing to Manning, and their reasons for doing so. Placing Manning on suicide watch in order to punish him was undeniably a way to subject him to the severe conditions of extreme solitary confinement while disingenuously maintaining it was out of medical necessity.
Dr. Jeffrey Kaye of Survivors International, a San Francisco-based torture victims center, describes the effect of severe solitary confinement:
Solitary confinement is an assault on the body and psyche of an individual…Over time, isolation produces a particular well-known syndrome which is akin to that of an organic brain disorder, or delirium….In fact, while the Defense Department claims that “maximum custody” and POI are meant to protect Bradley Manning from harm, or mitigate possible agitated or aggressive behavior by the prisoner, the very conditions they have placed him under are known to break down individuals and bring about the very kinds of aggressive behavior the POI orders are supposed to prevent. Indeed, it appears the government wants to impress upon Manning its immense power, and induce in the prisoner a feelings of utter futility and helpless dependence.
The anonymous military officials cited in Jim Miklaszewski’s reporting say that Averhart “did not have the authority to place Manning on suicide watch for two days last week, and that only medical personnel are allowed to make that call.”
However, Manning continues to be held on POI watch on Averhart’s orders, which also override the recommendations of medical personnel. It is not clear how Averhart exceeded and abused his authority in one case, but is justified in ignoring the recommendations of the very same brig psychiatrists in the other.
David Coombs also challenges the allegation of Quantico spokemen that Manning is being treated no differently than any other maximum custody detainee.
“Manning is the only detainee being held under maximum custody and POI watch” says Coombs. “The real question, that the government has never answered, is why is Manning being held under maximum custody and POI watch at this point given the consistent recommendations to remove him from this custody classification.”
As I wrote at the time, the goal of Military Police was clearly to prevent David House from seeing Bradley Manning until visiting hours were over when they detained us last weekend. David had not seen Manning for over a month while he was in Europe raising funds for Bradley’s defense, and was extremely concerned about his condition.
The MP’s said they were acting on orders from their superiors in detaining us. Not only did their actions serve to increase Manning’s isolation by denying him social interaction, it is now apparent they were attempting to keep Manning from telling David what had happened to him. David has been subjected to harassment, detainment and investigation from Army Counterintelligence, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security for months now. They seized his computer and all his coding work for the crime of visiting Bradley Manning. In December he spoke out about Manning’s conditions on MSNBC, and no doubt would have done so again.
Quantico spokesmen can not be counted upon to reliably report what is happening to Bradley Manning while he is in their custody, nor can Averhart be trusted to determine Manning’s medical status counter to the recommendations of brig psychiatrists. It is the responsibility of President Obama and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to insure that the punitive maximum custody and POI watch order on Bradley Manning is lifted, and see that he receives a fair trial.
The abusive treatment of Bradly Manning is disturbingly similar to the human rights violations recently brought to light by the ACLU regarding other US detainees. They have recently obtained new documents under the Freedom of Information Act showing that 25 to 30 detainees in US custody have died of “unjustifiable homicides” in the War on Terror. As Glenn Greenwald says, “It’s long been known that many detainees were killed by their treatment during interrogation….But these new documents show that these deaths at the hands of U.S. captors were even more deliberate, brutal and widespread than previously known.”
If President Obama is truly committed to the principle that America does not subject its citizens to human rights violations which breach our obligations under international standards and treaties, he should heed the calls of Amnesty International, the United Nations’ special rapporteur on torture and Psychologists for Social Responsibility by moving quickly to insure not only the fair and humane treatment of Bradley Manning, but of all individuals in the custody of the United States government.




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Incredibly well stated, and exactly right.
Thanks, bmaz. Your sage legal counsel throughout has been invaluable.
Thank you Jane.
I was detained once…it was 25 years ago in a non-democratic nation. Afterward, I thought I understood what democracy meant. Here I am, 25 years later, realizing how wrong I was to draw my conclusions.
That is the most depressing, continuing realization of the last ten years.
You would think so, wouldn’t you? This was one of the reasons I voted for him, thinking he could be trusted on this issue.
Watched the clip – if true, the fact that Gibbs “hasn’t heard a lot on that issue insider here [the WH, I presume]” is telling inn itself.
Referring to “the authorities that are holding him” – well, that answers the question whether Obama is satisfied of Manning’s & his visitors’ fair treatment, doesn’t it?
What’s the protocol for getting disciplinary action against Averhart? Who handles that sort of thing? To whom should an appeal for an investigation of Manning’s treatment be
directed?
Someone needs to put Obama on the spot and demand answers to the questions of what he will do to put a stop to the abusive treatment of Manning and what he will do to punish Averhart for his conduct. He is the Commander-in-Chief after all, so he has the authority to take control of this situation right now.
I’m not buying the b.s. that Gibbs is selling either. This administration is obsessed with Assange, willing to break every rule in the book to get their hands on him. And yet, Gibbs expects us to believe there hasn’t been much discussion of Manning. Right.
Funny how the Commander-in-Chief can decide to assassinate Americans on a whim when it suits him, but suddenly has no power to lift a finger to help when called upon to do so in other military affairs (as in DADT and Manning’s detention).
By Jim Miklaszewski Chief Pentagon correspondent
NBC News NBC News
updated 1/24/2011 7:55:01 PM ET
The story says that the anonymous official(s) asserted that Private Manning did not obey orders (plural) from his Brig guards (plural), who were not identified.
If an NBC News reporter can get away with citing “anonymous military officials” and unidentified QMCB brig “guards”, then apparently no independent fact-checking has been done to confirm this report. If the story is legitimate, then why the need for anonymity on the part of the military officials?
==modnote: please provide a link to quoted material==
It’s all about Assange. Transparancy is not acceptable. I’m so fed up.
One would hope that after the NBC report there would be an investigation into Manning’s treatment.
You and me both. And I remain convinced that Manning’s treatment has been ordered from the top, as opposed to a bit of freelancing by a sadistic warden.
So far I can safely say that I am not enjoying life in our lovely little police state. Nope. Not one bit.
Yeah, it’s no mistake, I’m sure. Nevertheless…follow the order as high as it goes and punish appropriately. I do not accept torture as a legitimate practice. Times a bazillion for a whistleblower.
Edited to “orders” for clarity.
The referenced NBC News article is the same one linked in the original post:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41241414/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/?ocid=twitter
Can you imagine Daniel Ellsberg being tortured for leaking the Pentagon Papers?
A Warrant Officer can’t just “ignore” military doctors though. There has to be instruction coming from higher up. If a Warrant Officer “goes rogue” so to speak, he or she will be snapped back so fast they’ll leave their uniform behind. I can’t believe that Averhart is acting unilaterally.
Well, they did raid his psychiatrist’s office.
Agreed, but now that we live in a country where “if the President does it, it’s not illegal”, what options are there for punishing those who order torture? We know those orders came from Bush and his cronies originally with their extraordinary renditions, black sites, Guantanamo, and all the rest. So now Obama is responsible. How can we begin to punish these people when the courts obsequiously defer to everything the executive branch does?
Doesn’t the chain of command lead ultimately to Obama? Lay this at his feet.
I’d rather have my shrink’s office raided than be subjected to six months or more of solitary confinement. In my undies.
Robert Gibbs ‘Umm, I don’t know.’ Really? Boldfaced lie, while an uncharged man rots away in a cell and is tortured.
One thing we can be sure of: We can’t lay this solely at the feet of a WO-4.
Just pointing out the slippery slope.
Depending on the judge, I’m not sure that will matter…
Note: not comparing alleged charges.
“…Quantico Brig Commander James Averhart abused his authority when he placed Bradley Manning on suicide watch as punishment for failure to obey orders.”
What order(s) did PFC Manning refuse to obey?
Here’s my take on that:
Averhart: PFC Manning, you must deliver assange to us. Tell us you colluded with him and gave him
secret messages.
Manning: I did no such thing.
Averhart: Then we must put you on suicide watch so you don’t kill yourself.
Obama knows exactly what is happening at Gitmo. Anyone who thinks he doesn’t, including the press, especially given the profile of the case and why they are really holding Manning, is really naive.
Anyone who believes Gibb’s regarding Manning is just as naive. Obama’s record on torture is as bad as Bush’s, who’s playbook he is using. When is Obama going to close Gitmo, like he said he would? It is a national disgrace!
As far as I am concerned Obama is as much of a war criminal as Bush. He is a co-conspirator after the fact and even listens to his AG regarding the requested legal memo authorizing torture.
Ironically Hans Frank, Reich Law Leader 1933–1945 and Governor-General of the General Government in occupied Poland 1939–1945 was sentenced to death at the Nuremberg trials by the United States for doing the same thing.
The press core ask the question and rep for WH play dumb! Wow And on MSM.
Anyone believing that a WO-4 can unilaterally do things like ignoring real officers, not to mention doctors and get away with it is being pretty damned naive too. This comes from way higher up than James Averhart but it wouldn’t surprise me if he takes the fall when the blowback inevitably comes.
Just saw Jane on MSNBC with Thomas Roberts hosting.
Great job, as always.
Thank you for bringing much needed attention to this
Obama the buck stops with you the African American community your base understands Prison torture issues quite well.
Please someopne call Talk of the Nation.
They are asking what you would like to hear from the president tonight.
Please tell TOTN you want to hear the pres say that he already has stopped the torture of PFC Manning
It’s curious that the DoJ can’t find any meeting or correspondence between Manning and Assange, after all this time, yet Manning is still untried for unauthorized use of restricted/classified material and in durance vile.
I guess the torture hasn’t worked, since they can’t get info on Assange…interesting that they made the lack of evidence public all of a sudden.
One word: Lamo
I do not know the credibility of this CNN report nor the efficacy of the “investigation”, so caveat emptor:
That may be bad news for Bradly Manning. If he could provide a link to Assange the government might go lighter on Manning. Looks like that’s not going to happen.
Fascism disguised as a democracy.
Let’s call a spade a spade here.
It’s probably more like, “Pvt Manning, you are ordered to stop doing sit-ups immediately.”
How in the hell do you physically arrest someone from doing any calisthenics, force-feed them drugs, maliciously interrupt their sleep, constantly force them to answer your calls every 5 minutes, deny them interaction with other human beings and call it PROTECTION?
Hey you military goons, look at yourself in the mirror and repeatedly call yourselves the LIARS that you are. Just own up to it. Be truthful if you can’t be intellectually honest. Say it: “I am a liar. I’m afraid to tell the truth, and I hide behind smarmy little euphemistic remarks and coded talk to convey my love for sadism and absolute disdain for professionalism and due process.” You can do it. You believe in punishment before trial and have no respect for the 5th and 8th articles of the Constitution. Chickenshits.
I had signed the petition but now I want to do more. This is bringing out the old 60′s activist in me. Please let me know what else I can do…
There’s a link on the main page to donate. These funds go (from what I understand) to helping David House continue his visits to Manning. Also to Manning’s defense fund.
If you’re in the Quantico area, or will be soon, I believe you can petition the Brig to be an accepted visitor. Check out the base website. They may have some information.
You can always call and write your congress-critters. Tell them how you feel about it and encourage action.
Also, share the information through social networking. The more people asking questions about this, the more attention it’s going to get from the media. Then Obama and Co will start feeling the heat of the spotlight.
At the very least, this kid needs to be charged and brought to trial. And removed from POI.
Under the current administration, I could imagine an Ellsberg being jailed for a lengthy period without charge. They might even claim that Ellsberg, still being in the inactive reserve (in 1972) could be incarcerated at the Quantico Brig. Ironic note – Ellsberg went to USMC Officers Candidate School at Quantico.
The sooner some third party, UN official or representative from Amnesty International documents Manning’s health, the more we’ll know about why he was kept from visitors Sunday. I suspect he has been physically injured in a way or ways that would have been clearly visible.
Has all of this come to a point where the average US citizen is now aware of the legal/ corporate/ constitutional abuses and will do something about it? Ghandi did something about it, didn’t require violence. There are more of us than them.
This is one of the things that immediately came to mind for me on Sunday. I’d also be interested in knowing if anyone has had contact with Manning since Saturday or so.
I’d like to believe that if the UN, AI, or the Red Cross pushed hard enough, they could get a doctor in to see him. We’ve allowed that at Gitmo in the past. And in the case of Saddam Hussein and other HVTs in Iraq and Afghanistan. I suppose the Pentagon will harrumph about this being a Domestic matter, but hopefully they’d cave.
Now we just need the UN, AI, or the Red Cross to push for it.
Pfc. Bradley Manning, 22, was charged (last July) with two counts under the Uniform Code of Military Justice: one encompassing the eight alleged criminal offenses, and a second detailing four noncriminal violations of Army regulations governing the handling of classified information and computers.
One thing needs to be made clear. As long as the one-party state kabuki show continues in any form whatsoever, Bradley Manning will never see the light of day again, may never even have a trial.
Bradley Manning’s only hope of “justice” being done is a clearing of the political decks. The whole lot has to go. Manning shouldn’t be in jail. Hundreds (maybe thousands) of government, military and CIA people should. Obama, Holder, and various “lurkers” top the list currently.
He was detained under those accusations. Has he been formally arraigned under those charges? Has an effort to prosecute him been mounted? Has he been given an opportunity to answer those charges or question his accusers? Review the evidence against him?
Let’s not split hairs here. You know damn well what I meant. He should be brought to trial. If they’re going to charge him, they should do so. Quit fucking torturing the kid.
My thoughts exactly. I could definitely see Ellsberg being held in a similar fashion during the Obama Admin.
Take heed, folks: this is how things happen under the reign of Barry Zero. The Great Pretender has proven over and over that he *hates* whistleblowers almost worse than anything else, and he’s publically stated that he’s willing to assassinate US citzens.
Worse war criminal than W? If not worse, that particular horse race is running neck ‘n neck right now and aiming for the photo finish.
And btw Gibbs is a big fat LIAR!!
Manning’s attorney David Coombs has a blog where he writes about what is happening in the case:
http://www.armycourtmartialdefense.info/
Quantico spokesmen apparently don’t read it, but anyone interested in the actions taken by the defense will find it interesting.
Do you know if anyone has spoken with Manning in the last 4-5 days? I see the most recent update is about the article 138 filing, from January 21st.
Only 1 percent of the cables have been released.
I wonder if PFC Manning is being held in such harsh, Soviet-gulag-like conditions as leverage against anymore cables being released? IOW, the more cables released, the harsher his treatment, with the threat of even harsher treatment if those holding the cable caches leak anymore, with all of this happening even before PFC Manning goes to trial.
Cruel and unusual punishment? Yes. Unconstitutional? Yes. Business-as-usual, especially since the Bush/Cheney years? Yes. And Robert Gibbs response just confirms that there is NO civilian control anymore over our military. Or was he saying that there is civilian control, but the Obama administration agrees with the harsh, Soviet-gulag-like treatment of PFC Manning, with him being used as leverage against any further cables being leaked by Wikileaks or any other news outlet?
I served in the U.S. military, USAFSS, back during the Vietnam War era. Do any of the Marines at Quantico have any problem with this, with what our government is doing? Especially now that U.S. officials have admitted that they can’t find any pre-leak link between PFC Manning and Wikileaks’ Julian Assange? Because this is probably the other reason that PFC Manning has been treated the way he has been treated, to get him to break, to get him to confess to a pre-download conspiracy between him and Assange.
The Bush/Cheney administration was depraved (and completely lawless). That depravity (and lawlessness) has now spilled over into the Obama administration. Enough is enough. Don’t any of these “public servants” take their oath seriously anymore?
Cowardly deflection by the press sec….
deflect, deny, dance
Those are the prerequisite abilities for that position I believe.
almost forgot, dissemble
Exactly.
Ellsberg: “If Bradley Manning did what he’s accused of, then he’s a hero if mine and I think he did a great service to this country. We’re not in the mess we’re in, in the world, because of too many leaks. . . . I say there should be some secrets. But I also say we invaded Iraq illegally because of a lackof a Bradley Manning at that time.”
http://www.ellsberg.net/archive/daniel-ellsberg-on-colbert-report
CBS News reports that a Manning-Assange direct link is alleged by the US military to not be that important to their case against Assange.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20029521-503543.html
We need a Helen Thomas in the WH Press Corp to ask the real questions of Gibbs and Obama.
So what happens to the petitions? Perhaps give them to Sen Leahy or Sanders?
There may well have been a Bradley Manning by the name of Joseph Wilson but he was ignored for the most part.
The timing *is* interesting.
It’s almost as if the government is trying to exhaust everyone’s capacity for outrage. What is being done to PFC Manning is horrible and unjust, but so many worse acts have been committed in our name in recent years. It takes a brave effort to keep complaining. Thank you, Jane.
They may not have believed it, but it sure seems from the published chat logs that someone wanted *us* to believe there was.
I wonder if anyone might get out the question tonight at the SOTU. What Obama’s going to do to give Manning humane treatment is the only thing I want to hear him talk about tonight.
And what were they?
UCMJ: 810. ART. 10. RESTRAINT OF PERSONS CHARGED WITH OFFENSES
Any person subject to this chapter charged with an offense under this chapter shall be ordered into arrest or confinement, as circumstances may require; but when charged only with an offense normally tried by a summary court-martial, he shall not ordinarily be placed in confinement. When any person subject to this chapter is placed in arrest or confinement prior to trial, immediate steps shall be taken to inform him of the specific wrong of which he is accused and to try him or to dismiss the charges and release him.
811. ART. 11. REPORTS AND RECEIVING OF PRISONERS
(a) No provost marshal, commander or a guard, or master at arms may refuse to receive or keep any prisoner committed to his charge by a commissioned officer of the armed forces, when the committing officer furnishes a statement, signed by him, of the offense charged against the prisoner.
(b) Every commander of a guard or master at arms to whose charge a prisoner is committed shall, within twenty-four hours after that commitment or as soon as he is relieved from guard, report to the commanding officer the name of the prisoner, the offense charged against him, and the name of the person who ordered or authorized the commitment.
812. ART. 12. CONFINEMENT WITH ENEMY PRISONERS PROHIBITED
No member of the armed forces may be placed in confinement in immediate association with enemy prisoners or other foreign nationals not members of the armed forces.
813. ART. 13 PUNISHMENT PROHIBITED BEFORE TRIAL
No person, while being held for trial, may be subjected to punishment or penalty other than arrest or confinement upon the charges pending against him, nor shall the arrest or confinement imposed upon him be any more rigorous than the circumstances required to insure his presence, but he may be subjected to minor punishment during that period for infractions of discipline.
Done!
The clearest sign that someone is abusing their power is when they accrue all the benefits of that power but none of the responsibilities. What a tremendous amount of character and integrity exhibited in this regard by the President.
Ding!
You can also get involved with Courage to Resist or make a donation through them on behalf of Manning.
http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/
When exactly is Commander Averhart’s disciplinary hearing scheduled? Or will he first be relieved of duty?
The action – and non-response from the White House – makes clear that Pfc. Manning is being treated as if he were a political prisoner whose existence and actions threaten the state, not an Army private accused, but not adjudicated, of crimes for which he may have defenses, none of which have been put to the test. His superiors and their political bosses seem more interested in having him “put to the question” in its medieval sense.
Pfc. Manning is being used as a pinata. The purpose, as the French commanders of the late First World War (post-army mutiny) would say, is pour encourager les autres.
Maybe Obama can arrange for a beer with Manning and Averhart, in another edition of postpartisan posturing.
Cholera starts with an isolated case, from drinking contaminated water or Kool-Aid contaminated with the arrogance rather than the responsibility of power. It spreads quickly and once symptoms start, can kill in a day. Serial abuse and torture by the government can equally distend and ferociously empty the bowels of the Republic.
This is how the Jews were treated before they were exterminated in Germany in the last century.
Where Is Joe Homeland Security and the rest of the duel citizens legislators in the congress ????????
Why the silence from the previous victims ????
Thank you greenwarrior!!!!
Reportedly, the QMCB Brig Commander was acting within his authority when he placed Army PFC Bradley Manning on suicide risk status and watch for two days last week.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/25/wikileaks.suicide.watch/
And your point with respect to the present discussion is exactly what? Please inform us. What’s the logic of your remark relative to the torture question?
Sorry I was out of pocket for a while.
You said:
I pointed out he was charged. Just letting you know he was charged.
But I also fear that bringing him to trial will not be good.
Prev. commenter wanted him to be charged. I provided the fact that he was.
No tie to torture.
Don’t look to President Obama to help out Manning. We all know how the administration feels about whistleblowers. Just look at the DOJ track record of still going after Bush era leakers. I’m sure they view what Manning did as a thousand times worse.
I wouldn’t bet on it. If no one tell him officially, he isn’t going to hear about it. Remember, he gets all this information second-hand at best.
On the other hand, he ought to be able to arrange a surprise trip to Quantico to talk to Manning and to Averhart, as their CinC.
It is my sincerest hope that this comment will post. I am a new member to FDL, though I’ve been reading stories posted here since I started following the Manning detainment issue.
I am a Marine officer. I take offense to the allegations that the brig commander is abusing his authority. The brig commander does have the authority to assign suicide watch (I don’t know who this unnamed military official is that states otherwise.) I also have the authority to assign suicide watch if one of my Marines makes a suicidal ideation.
Brig commanders have a tough job. My understanding of the Quantico brig is that it is not used for post-trial incarceration, so everyone being held there is awaiting trial. That makes the Quantico brig commander’s job even tougher. I don’t expect anyone here to understand the pressure that comes with being told to detain someone that hasn’t been convicted of a crime yet. If Manning died in the brig, his supporters would immediately shift to accusing the brig commander of not taking the necessary precautions.
I have served in combat, and I have had to make tough decisions that were not popluar, and those decisions eventually turned out to be the right call (thankfully.) While I will concede that there are examples of Marines that have not made the right calll, I will always give someone the benefit of the doubt, especially when they’ve been in long enough to become a CWO4. You don’t get to that point by making bad decisions. The Marine Corps is pretty good at getting rid of those that don’t represent our values.
I agree with everyone here that thinks the trial is taking too long. Try this soldier now. It shouldn’t take 8+ months to get Manning to court.
If you think Manning is being mistreated, then you must assume that everyone in the brig is being mistreated. I have friends that work in military corrections, and it seems the conditions at Quantico are on par with every brig in the Naval services.
I do not make these comments to take away your opinions, but to present a position from “the other side of the fence.” If you hail Manning as a hero, please continue to do so, but don’t be so quick to crucify a Marine with a tough job simply because you don’t agree with his decisions.
I take offense at the commander’s dismissal of the three psychiatrists who said Manning is not a risk for suicide. If someone is innocent until proven guilty, and that person is being denied due process (a timely trial) and they are being denied CONTACT with the outside world, AND they are being subjected to HARSH CONTROLLING methods (forced medication?!), and sleep and exercise deprivation, PLEASE don’t insult everyone’s intelligence here with an appeal to respect the person responsible for administering that kind of PUNISHMENT. Also, please read my comment @38 and take it to heart.
I understand the concern that the advice from the psychiatrists has not been implemented. I also understand that it is simply advice.
I have had the unfortunate, life altering experience of losing a Marine to suicide. This was a Marine that was seeing a psychologist. What we learned in the aftermath is that he was telling the doctor one thing (life is good) but he was actually quite disturbed. My point is that people have the tendency to tell others ONLY what they want to tell them.
I have read reports in the media and talked to some of my friends that work in military corrections, and they have said the same things…the brig commander has multiple advisors. A friend told me “Medical input is great, but the doctors only see the inmates once a week. They don’t live with the inmates, and they don’t know what is normal or abnormal for each inmate. We live with the inmates. We have to weigh all of the input.”
I don’t know anything about forced medication, but I do know that if one of my Marines does not take his prescription meds he/she CAN be punished under the UCMJ. A prescription is not a recommendation, it is an assignment.
To address your sleep and exercise deprivation concerns, I think it’s fair to say that most of us don’t get 9 hours of sleep per night. Reports I’ve read say TAPS (lights out) is from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. After asking friends about that being the norm, I was told that is normal in any brig and inmates are never allowed to sleep during the day. I also understand it to be normal that inmates get one hour of exercise a day, and are never allowed to exercise in their cell.
As far as human contact, again from friends, detainee classification is assigned by the court overseeing the legal process, so the maximum custody classification isn’t assigned by the brig commander. Manning’s Army command classified him as max custody because of the severity of the charges. The brig is just following orders.
The trial isn’t in the hands of the Marine Corps, it’s in the Army’s hands, so speedy trial is not the brig commander’s (or the Marine Corps’) issue.
Again, I’m not trying to devalue your opinions, I’m simply asking you to consider that the brig commander, while you don’t agree with him, is not giving Manning “special” treatment. I’m asking that people stop accusing the Marine Corps of wrongdoing. I said it before, but if you disagree with Manning’s conditions, you must disagree with EVERY inmate’s conditions.
(Standing on chair clapping wildly!! :)
Can I borrow that? I want a bunch of people to read that and to see their truth…??
What if everyone applied to be on the visitor/letter list?? I know they won’t do it, but it will show just how many people do care and are paying attention.. AND.. it makes those in charge of the Base etc, work days really, really miserable…;)
Can ordinary people apply to the UN/Amnesty International for direct action on their part. The UN already has a Special Rapperture(sp) for Torture and US, make him come here…
Can we force the issue and at the same time really help get Bradley, at least out of what he is facing now?
Actually, I want it all to go to Trial, because if ‘America’ still stands on Principle, respect for the spirit of the Law and the protection, of not only its people, but also innocents everywhere , then Bradley Manning will walk away a free man (with a ticket for ‘not asking to use the computer to download something’) and never again will anyone or this country have to go though this again..
We need to put our dirty laundry on the table and get serious about sorting it..America signed each one of the most important International Treatises regarding Freedom from Harm, Protections from Brutality, Protection from Torture, Protections against Military Abuses.. Time to force your ‘Country’ to face responsibility for its actions.. It has to come from the people here, we apply to the UN/Red Cross/Other Governments etc.. Get serious and get clever.. ;)
Your logic is so twisted, excuse me if I sound heartless, I can see why someone caught up in such a system would want to commit suicide. The person is being kept in conditions that DETERIORATE his physical and mental health, yet the “rules” are there to “prevent him from injury.”
Insanity.
Are you referring to my lost Marine when you said that “someone caught up in such a system would want to commit suicide”? If you are suggesting the Marine Corps drove this young Marine to kill himself, you should know if that his suicide note stated the Marine Corps was the only thing good in his life.
He’s in a brig…life is not comfortable. The Marine Corps is usually the last branch to get money for new stuff, so we have to make due with what we have. Facilities are old. Regulations have to be followed.
Out of curiosity, what would your reaction be if the POI were lifted and Manning was reported dead a few days later? I’m guessing one of the following…
1) He must have had an “accident.”
2) The military drove him to insanity (forget the reports that his Army command considered him a mental health concern before he even left Kuwait.)
3) The brig should have done a better job of protecting him.
Yeah I was talking about “your” Marine, and many others who have discovered they actually do have consciences and regret doing some of the things for which they were trained and ended up choosing to do.
Protection is a joke, and as you clearly allude CYA is another excuse/motive.
How does limiting contact (to virtually no one) with people he wants to see from outside protect him?
How does refusing him exercise, and physically preventing him from it, protect him?
How does having him sign a letter of refusal for mail he might want to read but can’t protect him?
How does burning whatever mail he is able to read after he reads it, protect him?
Like I said, your “protection” is contributing to his mental and physical decline. That’s the opposite of protection. Doing it for 5 months is torture.
Pull back the fucking curtain and let the light shine in and then you’ll have an argument. Until then, your excuses are about as valid as a Pat Tillman Died Valiantly Rushing the Enemy story.
You are a poor excuse for an American to assume that service members across the country should regret their desire to serve their country. If you had half a clue, you would know that most service members believe in the Constitution, and therefore swear to defend it. If you don’t like that the government sends military forces into other countries, take it up with you congressman, not the military, and certainly not with these young men and women that would give their lives so you can speak your voice without fear.
Back to Manning…where do you get your facts? I’m guessing FDL, Salon, Courage to Resist and MSNBC.
Maybe you should do some research. Every MSM affiliate has confirmed that Manning gets the same amount of exercise as other detainees. Manning makes his own correspondence list, so mail coming from someone not on his list could be dangerous. You’d lose your mind if someone sent a letter that read “I hope you die a slow and painful death” and laced it with something toxic. Where the hell did you read that his mail is burned after he reads it? I’ve never seen anything that states his mail is burned. His contact is limited…sure, that sucks. Read the reports though…only two people other than his lawyers have visited. House and an aunt (once or twice.) Of course random people can’t go to the brig. There are just as many that think he should be shot by firing squad as that think he should be free. That’s why he also has an approved visitor list…HIS approved list.
If anyone needs to remove the blinders, it’s you. Or is life more comfortable in “shiny, happy people land?”
You’re projecting, I didn’t say anyone regretted their desire to serve their country, I said many regret doing things in its name that conflict with their conscience.
I was wrong about letters that he had already read being burned, only the ones rejected are destroyed. The article is here. I misread the sentence.
I do feel confident that this Lieutenant Colonel has a pretty good take on Bradley’s condition and the motives behind what he describes as punishment. I’ll take his word for it until the brig sheds some light on its irregular and seemingly malicious behavior.
Imagine that…a suspect’s LAWYER is trying to use every tool at his disposal to get his client off. I’d be willing to bet that the same LAWYER would argue that conduct of brig operation at Quantico is within rules and regulations if he wasn’t playing the defensive role.
Oh yeah…and that same article said letters are destroyed OR returned to sender. That is procedure in any brig, again according to friends of mine that work in military corrections. If there is no return address, the letter is destroyed.