Corporatist Democrats employ a very different strategy to justify schemes that rip off the public, using their own emotional buzzwords and talking points.
Here’s how corporatist Democrats justify the fight for corporate welfare:
Progressives: We think it is important the everyone has access to X (where X could be education, basic health care, clean water, etc…). We should find the best, most cost effective way for the government to assure people have access to X.
Corporatist Democrats: We agree. We have come up with a plan.
We will provide massive tax cuts to companies that make X. We will have another set of companies get subsidies to buy X and serve as X holding companies. In turn they trade X on government exchanges to local region middlemen that get exclusive no-bid long-term government contracts. These companies will then sell X to the local private X distributors that in turn receive huge infusions of cash through public-private partnerships. The local X distributors will receive subsidy money for every individual they serve. The government will also insure every company against 95% of any loses they may experience.
By giving companies a mere $10 billion through these public-private partnerships we can make sure people in need get $2 billion of X!
Progressives: This a horrible idea and we oppose it! Why would we give so much government money to so many private corporate middlemen? Why do we need this inefficient Rube Goldberg system?
Corporatist Democrats: Our plan is great. It follows the models based on the best free market economic science, based on studies that just so happen to be paid for by the companies that will benefit from our plan.
Progressives: We already have this working government program in this country where the government simply provide X directly to the people who need it; we can point to similar working programs in other countries. We know from real world examples it could do the whole thing at half the cost and help many more people.
Corporatist Democrats: People need X, our plan will get people some of what they need; if you’re against this you must hate poor people. Why do you hate the working class?
Progressives: We don’t hate poor people. We want to help people but this scheme you’ve proposed to support X would waste 80% of government expenditures on corporate welfare.
Corporatist Democrats: So you oppose the government spending $10 billion to help people? You must want poor people to die. That’s it, you want people to die. We bet you never really cared because you already have access to X.
Progressives: We just oppose the incredibly corrupt nature of this plan.
Corporatist Democrats: Some members from some minority communities will technically benefit from this plan. Since you oppose this plan that probably means you hate those minorities.
Progressives: We having been working for years to make sure people get help; we just don’t believe help for regular people should require big corporations to be allowed to skim billions off the top.
Look, there are literally dozens of alternative proposals we support that would ensure nearly 100% of what the government spends actually goes to help those in need. We just oppose massive ineffective government waste.
Corporatist Democrats: There can be no alternative. If we don’t adopt this exact plan we promise to give up on trying to help people get X for a generation. This will be a great progressive victory or a massive defeat! Do you hate victory, progressivism or poor people?
Progressives: There are always other options. There is nothing progressive about corporate welfare. There is no victory in giving a huge amount of government money to the wealthy so working class people get a fraction of help they need.
Corporatist Democrats: You just don’t understand the complexity of political realities. Stakeholders, filibuster, center right nation, starter home to be build on latter, median voters, electability, big tent, blah blah blah.
Progressives: We understand the political realities. The filibuster is not written in stone it can be eliminated by a simple majority of senators. More importantly we designed our alternatives so that they would poll better with the voting public than your plan.
You just want this plan because it will enrich companies that will give you large campaign donations and lucrative private sector jobs after you retire from politics.
Corporatist Democrats: We previously thought you were some naive lefty purists but now we see you are probably a poor people-hating secret Republican.
It’s always us versus Republicans. It is blue team against red team. Since you are not with us you must in reality be secret conservatives who all along trying to undermine our great liberal victory to help poor people.




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Unfortunately, we all know the truth of this.
I hate the term “free markets”
I hate the term public-private partnership!
It is the very polite way to say you plan on having the public absurd the loses so a small group of private individuals can profit.
I like this.
When do we get the version with the cute animated bears?
My suggested New Year’s resolution: do not feed the donkeys.
Divert your time and money from parties and candidates, and instead invest it in causes and people you believe in. You’ll do your neighbors good, and help control the spread of the invasive species known as politico operativus.
I used to believe that as people got more information, they would be better equipped to make intelligent political choices. I thought that the Internet and other modern electronic marvels would be the best thing that ever happened to our democracy, But I’m starting to doubt– it looks as though the entrenched economic interests have simply gained more tools for the creation of bullshit narratives that serve their narrow agenda.
You left out “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
Or maybe that’s a line from the sequel.
Not even sure how I would go about making that happen.
You are correct. A huge oversight on my part
Hine sight is 20/20.Looking back on the last 40 years the don’t rock the boat Democrat Baby Boomer has given away more than the Republican ever took.Starting with benifits,wages,jobs and now to feed the sport what can the bottom 80% live without. Social Security Insurance,Medicare Insurance every safety net.While giveing corporate Tax refunds on how many jobs thay can create in Mexico,China,Korea,ect.Can’t see voteing for any incumbent that club needs a cleaning.
You may as well of just said “health care” instead of “X”. LOL
But you’re right, they attempt to repeat the meme on other issues.
Me too.
I tend to hate bullshit in general, and “free markets” is one of the biggest piles around.
Good call, Jon, but we need the NAME of the leader of the corporatist democrats to be mentioned, early and often.
It’s “Obama. :o)
Well, Obama’s already been “privatized” in fact, we just need to make sure that he’s that way in name, before the 2012 election.
He’ll look good leading some corporatist think-tank.
I don’t think it’s just Obama though.
Watching the kabuki dances over the last two years has provided enought evidence IMO to conclude it’s the Democratic Party in general, with Reid and Pelosi just as into it as Obama.
I believe the President is in the act of becoming. A Hawaiian President would never go along with conservative Dems, a young Los Angeles student, maybe, a NYC student not, a Chicago young professional maybe, a Boston, MA lawyer probably not and a Chicago politician definitely yes. Now we have a President of all these guys and
I say he’s still multi-cultural Hawaiian looking to help most all of the people.
You have to admit, he always looks good.
ive always hated it when they spoke of government as a “product”…dont hear that one so much any more. not since clinton. i guess the truth of that is too much hutzpah for even the likes of joe biden or max baucus to attempt.
Sad to say, I’m sure you’ll have an opportunity to revise and extend your remarks in a future post on this same subject, and you can work the word “bipartisanship” into it about five times while you’re at it.
they used to call it “free enterprise”,back when they were still selling the idea that “anyone” with enough hard work could get rich in amerka. they dont even attempt that lie anymore, now its “free markets”, and the gag is, “markets’ are busy flinging jobs and wealth around everywhere as long as they are “free” to so.
He’s not Hawaiian anymore than I’m Coloradan,Idahoan,Wisconsinan,Washingtonian, with a splash of Californian thrown in.
He’s American. He’s an American Politician.
I agree, don’t feed the donkey, don’t feed the Obama, and don’t give any “politico operativus” a penny. We only have one political party in America, the Corporatist Party of Washington. We need to starve the beast or let it wither on the vine.
The way he has been behaving he couldn’t get elected in Hawaii.
Can you imagine him as a quarterback? Football’s on here, so I’m being influenced. I’m amusing myself imagining how sports announcers would call his political moves.
Jon Walker, your capsulization of what it be is terrific! I have gone a bit farther. I think “conservative democrats” an oxymoron. They are stealth gutless Republicants hiding behind the party getting paid off by the same hustlers paying off the Cants. I think Dems in rank & file need to purge anyone having anyone to do with the DLC including OBAMA! We have NOTHING to lose @ this point, absolutely nothing. Smarmy Clintons and the whole lot of them. Harold Ford, McAuliffe, Kaine:ALL OF THEM! True Dems will have labor and the gutless Indies more or less. Time to shake our tree of its dirty rotten apples. Obama has been using these Cants as a foil to carry out his real agenda of strippng down the middle class & poor as is exhibited by the right wing bs deficit commission which is only to provide him cover to rob social security and medicare. He is not a Democrat.
I was JUST thinking about those animated bears, particularly upon reading this line:
Re Jon, @ #8: someone here did the original “conversation with a progressive” bears diary. Teddy posted it, and then the original author commented. You might be able to track this person down.
This deserves the bears.
I like this one:”Corporatist Democrats: So you oppose the government spending $10 billion to help people? You must want poor people to die. That’s it, you want people to die. We bet you never really cared because you already have access to X.”
This was the line they just used,in continuing the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy.And very similar to the one used to garner support for the weak health care legislation…look how many poor folks will get coverage,forget about the billions going out the back door to the Insurance companies.
Well done Jon.
It’s done at xtranormal.com.
I just went there thinking I might be able to do it for Jon by copying and pasting (I chose PEEPS instead of PAWZ-PAWZ are the bears). I selected my two voices, started copying and pasting and…..
then I got lost. Couldn’t figure out how to switch from character to character and gave up. So now OldFatGuy has an account at xtranormal.com and no fucking clue how to use it.
No matter what they call it, it’s still all bullshit to me.
Oh, it’s not only Obama, most of the dems are complicit in this catastrophic failure…but he’s the boss. After an historic win two years ago, he’s the one who’s gone all “bipartisan” on us and who presided over the debacle two months ago.
Mary: “You have to admit, he always LOOKS good.”
Well, not so much to the american voters, in the recent mid-terms. To them he looked like a wimp, a sellout, and a political failure, and they punished he and the democrats accordingly.
As Trackin’123 says; at this point we have nothing to lose by working to dump these GOP-lites. In fact, if we continue to support them, for the democratic party, 2012 is going to make what happened in the mid-terms look like a political love-in from the voters.
Well said,what’s stunning is the admiration for BClinton by most…this creep is responsible for the mess we are now in Glass-Stegall repeal,NAFTA & GATT,Telco act of 96 and many more and somehow he is seen as a savior…
Thank you for this post, Jon.
I’m having a hard time naming non-corporatist Democrats. Dennis Kucinich. Not Al Gore. So many are faux progressive.
IMO Russ Fiengold is a true, non-corporate Dem.
Now I’m well aware that some of his votes would fly in the face of that statement, but I’m thinking the guy maybe made those votes in an attempt to win support in his home state, sort of representing his state instead of voting his personal preference.
I know it’s hard to prove that and it’s also probably more likely that he is just another corporate D, but my heart says no, the guy is for real, he was just in a tough situation.
IMO being the ONLY U.S. Senator to vote against that first “Patriot Act” took some guts, and there were lots of other areas that I thought he acted like a true Dem.
The sad thing though is, at the National level at least, it really is hard to pick any D’s that aren’t corporatist. So discouraging.
Yes, Fiengold; it is politics, so a lot of his votes suck. Same with Jim McDermott.
Perhaps guts had nothing to do with his vote. Perhaps it was nothing more than “look how progressive some of the Dems are” so you think that voting for them is way better than voting Republican, even though you are getting clones. Look at all the money and support some of these clowns have got from progressives, all because of one or two of their votes and of course, their silver tongues.
Teddy Partridge is upstairs!
Sunday Late Night: Leona Helmsley to be Sanctified by Church of the Rich
You left out “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
And don’t forget, “uniquely American solution”.
So I’m not in favor of a Canadian system, I’m not in favor of a British system, I’m not in a favor of a French system… what we’ve said is, let’s find a uniquely American solution“
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/August/14/transcript-Obama-Montana.aspx
HCAN’s campaign director Richard Kirsch said: “We are looking for a uniquely American solution.”
Alison Vander Zanden, of the Maine People’s Alliance, said: “We’re looking for a uniquely American solution to the health care crisis…”
Sen. Max Baucus, chair of the Senate Finance Committee (through which health care legislation must pass), said: “We will have insurance companies in America. We’ll have uniquely American solutions….”
AHIP president Karen Ignani said that her group intended to make a significant contribution to the debate over blending public and private strategies “to achieve a uniquely American solution that can work and be enacted.”
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/one_step_forward_one_step_back.php
Perfect.
All you need is the paid shill ‘expert’ with an undisclosed ‘contract’ with the whitehouse.
Jonathan Gruber, for instance.
“More recently, Gruber has served as an advisor on health care reform to political candidates and elected officials. He is frequently called upon to provide estimates of how various policy options might affect health insurance coverage. He bases those estimates on a model he developed. Gruber has generally worked with Democrats, including all three of the leading presidential candidates in 2008, although he has advised some Republicans, as well. He was a key architect of the sweeping health insurance reforms that Massachusetts enacted in 2006, while Mitt Romney was governor. Gruber currently sits on the board of the state’s “Connector,” which helps oversee the implementation of those reforms.
In January 2010 he was criticised for not disclosing a government health-related contract in the context of his media contributions to discussion of congressional health-care reform.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gruber_%28economist%29
And some ‘stakeholders’ with ‘skin in the game’ to provide a former executive to write the legislation.
Hey, Liz Fowler for example!
“Liz Fowler, a key staffer for U.S. Sen. Max Baucus who helped draft the federal health reform bill enacted in March, is joining the Obama administration to help implement the new law.
Fowler, chief health counsel for the Senate Finance Committee, which Baucus chairs, will become deputy director of the Office of Consumer Information and Oversight at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.”
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_4a5924b4-8ed7-11df-93ce-001cc4c03286.html
Excellent article. It gets to the heart of the difference that I now see between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats are socially liberal corporatists. Republicans are not socially liberal corporatists.
For example, in your dialogue, corporatist Democrats would say in fact yes, we need to help the poor. We, the corporatist Democrats will do this by providing government power, support, and taxes to private corporate power and elites to solve the issue of poverty (and health care, education, stimuls, environmental cleanup, financial regulation, etc)
The republican corporatists will say fuck the poor deserve nothing. While republicans would not help the poor as would corporatist Democrats, they would certainly help other private oligarchs.
But in the end, both sides believe in handing government to private oligarchs as the foundational mechanism of achieving what they see as societal goals. HCR was a perfect example of this. Obama does believe we need to provide health care to the masses, so he constructed a system to hand government money and resources to corporations to achieve what he saw as the social good. And expect him to go this route on other issues such as education–teacher unions are right to suspect him on this.
Obama is beginning to sound Ayn Randian. Give money to the Corporations as in private insurance forced down the throats of the “little people”.
Remember it took a Democrat like Mr. Idol to remove the Estate Tax. Even Nixon would have been embarrassed trying that one. Obama is a perfect example of a political whore who has no shame and will do anything he has to to play to the power structure. HCR is a gift to Corporate America that the GOP secretly admires but supplies them with a wonderful target to shoot at Obamacare. Or Obamcareless.
Obama is the GOP’s gift to prominance after defeat as he confers with Republicans without a whimper,Caucus,dialogue,negotiation, or daylight.
Forget spine, vision, creative imagination, and the passion to change.
Those were just words in a speech.
Thanks. As you say it comes down to one thing. Either Party will bow to the Corporation and its power structure.
The GOP is up front about and couldn’t care less about social benefits. The Democrats hide behind the hypocricy of being for the little guys who they totally screw over as they bend to corporate power.
Democrats have been so cowardly they haven’t even demanded or openly defied the President’s tactics and cave-ins. They have re-empowered the GOP through sheer fear and lack of spine and lack of unity or agenda. They have permitted a wandering feckless Obama to betray the principles he espoused without a strong demand for the kind of leadership they were promised.
At the moment both of these parties are atrocious.
To end the mass corruption, fraud and greed that has overtaken our country and to put America on sound footing in the 21st century, President Obama needs a vision –
1. Enact Fair Elections Now Act ($100.00 maximum donation, matching funds for federal office candidates – strictly voluntary to comply with present laws)
2. The public owns the airwaves. FCC mandate that all political advertising is a public service and therefore free
3. Permanently ban anyone who has served in the federal government from becoming a lobbyist
4. Break up the big banks
5. End ALL wars and lower the bloated defense budget
6. Enact The Bipartisan Tax Fairness and Simplification Act of 2010 – (Eliminate $1 trillion in tax givaways. Change the top tax bracket to 70% to help pay down deficit)
7. Reduce health care costs by adding the public option. Allow Medicare to purchase drugs. Allow drug re-importation. Move away from fee-for-service
8. Climate Change Legislation – put a heavy price on carbon to encourage alternative energy investments
9. National Infrastructure Bank – Run by engineers, not politicians. Find $2 trillion over 10 years to create jobs now and increase productivity later. Put millions back to work. Fund with a millionaire’s tax
10. Federal government make massive investments in R & D to create quality jobs long term in areas like biotechnology, alternative energy, IT, materials, science, alternative-fuel automobiles, and clean technology
11. Enact entitlement reform by seriously means testing Social Security, Medicare and adjusting retirement age.
12. Raise educational standards through a national core curriculum. Advocate the firing of the the bottom 10% of teachers nationwide and replace them with good teachers. Make higher education free to families that can’t afford it to encourage upward mobility in society
This was even funnier than Play 1 about the Republicans vs. Progressives. Yes, it’s also sad but a commentary is much more effective to me when it has some biting humor in it. Seriously, completely different subject matter but this was FireJoeMorgan.com good! Thanks for starting the new year off right, Jon!