The President is “moving quickly” to reassure liberals that he has “not abandoned them” in the wake of the tax cut deal, according to the Washington Post.
But liberals shouldn’t be concerned that Obama has “abandoned them.” They should be far more worried if he’s actually on their side, and simply losing one fight after another.
The White House has been working to smooth the ruffled feathers of liberals that Obama dismissed as “sanctimonious” in his spur-of-the-moment press conference two weeks ago. But having watched the event, I have to say that I was personally far less concerned about Obama’s attack on his liberal critics than I was about the signals he sent to anyone who ever negotiates against him.
Can you imagine Netanyahu or Medvedev or Wen Jiabao watching this and scratching their heads, and wondering what the heck he’s talking about? And someone has to scramble to explain that there are a couple of bloggers nobody has ever heard of who have apparently gotten under the President’s skin, and this is about the fourth or fifth time he has publicly lashed out at them?
The need for credit, the desire to be seen as a “winner” and the anger at lack of perceived support from those he thinks should be on his side are things that are consistently being exploited by everyone who negotiates with Obama. Moveover, his willingness to call anything a “win” — no matter how badly he gets cleaned out — sends a signal that stagecraft rather than substance will always be his focus.
The same petulance Obama devoted to bloggers was on display during his Korean press conference at the G20 in November. Unfortunately, this time it was the Chinese who were on the receiving end. In response to Jake Tapper’s question on Chinese currency manipulation, Obama referred it as an “irritant,” and then patronizingly told the Chinese they needed to be “a responsible partner.”
Such language in the blogosphere would be considered remarkably tame and wholly unworthy of note. But by State Department standards, it was practically fisticuffs. The LA Times headline read:
Obama slaps China after G-20 summit, indicates little room for compromise on Bush tax cuts
Okay, so he wants to get tough with the Chinese. No doubt they are watching his actions closely. So what does he do? After “getting tough” and making bold public statements at the G20 insisting he would not budge on the Bush tax cuts, in front of every major world power, he returns home — and does just that.
The President didn’t get anything he wanted at the G20, either. Simon Johnson said the trip was a “profound and complete disappointment for the US Treasury”:
It is hard to imagine how the summit could have gone any worse for the US Treasury and the president. The spin machine is now working overtime – and you’ll see big efforts to get more positive stories over the coming week – but on all fronts the outcome is very bad.
People who watch domestic politics closely may not have been paying that much attention to what happened in Korea, but in short:
- Obama announced on election day (Nov 2) that the Korean Free Trade deal was complete. When he got to Korea, it fell through.
- During the summit, Obama couldn’t put it back together again. The Koreans refused to budge on cows and cars.
- Despite Obama’s public chiding, the Chinese dug in hard on their exchange rate.
- The G20 refused Obama’s entreaties to include stronger language about the currency situation in a joint statement
- The Europeans refused to give up control of the IMF managing director job, which means no country outside of Europe will want to rely on IMF help in an emergency. Simon Johnson warned that they will thus want to “manage” their exchange rates along Chinese lines, and called it “a major step backwards.”
The WSJ was likewise unimpressed:
Has there ever been a major economic summit where a U.S. President and his Treasury Secretary were as thoroughly rebuffed as they were at this week’s G-20 meeting in Seoul? We can’t think of one. President Obama failed to achieve any of his main goals while getting pounded by other world leaders for failing U.S. policies and lagging growth.
The root of this embarrassment is political and intellectual: Rather than leading the world from a position of strength, Mr. Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner came to Seoul blaming the rest of the world for U.S. economic weakness. America’s problem, in their view, is the export and exchange rate policies of the Germans, Chinese or Brazilians.
It’s a pattern: Big promises. Failure. Blame-shifting. Victim card.
Two weeks ago, in the dead of night, the White House announced they’d finally reached a trade agreement with the Koreans. Not only did Obama cave once again on every promise he made on the campaign trail about opposing NAFTA-style deals, he didn’t even get as good a deal as the Europeans got when they finalized their Korea Free Trade deal earlier this year.
But Obama now considers that a “win,” right?
I asked an ex-U.S. Ambassador how the President’s performance at the press conference played on the world stage:
We seem phenomenally weak and whiny — and look at how the North Koreans and Chinese and Iranians are all taking advantage.
You can’t be president and a victim at the same time.
That certainly echoes what I’ve heard from other corners: Obama’s seven-minute tirade against critics in his own party did not inspire confidence in his leadership skills.
But there was another part of the now-infamous press conference that concerned me far more than the President’s weird rant. He could have offered up many excuses for cutting this tax deal with Republicans, but this was the one he chose:
I’ve said before that I felt that the middle-class tax cuts were being held hostage to the high-end tax cuts. I think it’s tempting not to negotiate with hostage-takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. Then people will question the wisdom of that strategy. In this case, the hostage was the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed.
Since that time, the White House has reiterated the point about giving the Republicans everything they wanted because they were holding “hostages” several times.
Think about that for a minute. The President of the United States entered into negotiations with the opposition party, who are still currently in the minority in both the House and the Senate. What he wanted (unemployment benefit extension) was tremendously popular with the public, and without it, the Republican plan would’ve been extremely unpopular. And after announcing at the G20 that he absolutely would not compromise, he proceeds to give the Republicans everything they wanted, and more, because they were willing to “take hostages.”
He acknowledged he had popular support for a fight, that the public was on his side and didn’t WANT this capitulation.
And then he referred to those who had forced him into this terrible position due to their unconscionable willingness to “take hostages” as “my friends.” And claims victory.
It’s like sending an engraved invitation to everyone who ever negotiates against you to engage in brinksmanship.
Now, I happen to think Obama wants this tax cut deal, has wanted it all along. He just didn’t want to take the political heat for it. He put off dealing with an extension of middle class tax cuts until the end of the year while trying to kill a compromise behind closed doors.
But it really doesn’t matter, because even if that’s true, the Republicans still walked away with the estate tax and Social Security tax cut in addition to the Bush tax cut extensions. The Social Security tax cut was unpopular even among Republicans. The President let his “win” — unemployment insurance extensions, which had 78% public support — be used by the GOP as a sugar pill to make what they wanted palatable to the public.
The Republicans knew they would have to extend unemployment insurance benefits anyway. They just didn’t want to take responsibility for it. So Obama’s “win” lifted that burden from their shoulders, and freed them from any potential problems with their own base for doing so.
Not only does the President consider this a triumph, he paints himself as the victim of “sanctimonious” liberals who just don’t appreciate his remarkable achievements (apparently the ones who represent what he just acknowledged to be the position held by the vast majority of the country).
We are headed into some really rough times ahead as the global economy shakes out, and we continue to absorb the impact of the shenanigans in the financial world. Our major financial institutions are insolvent, and have been for quite some time. Our economy is still dependent on a housing bubble and we’re in the midst of a foreclosure crisis. We have massive unemployment, and no jobs plan. We’re engaged in two wars, and the Chinese are eating our lunch.
But because the President didn’t include the debt ceiling in the tax cut deal, we’re also facing a potential shut down of the government in the next few months, which the Republicans have already said they will use to force dramatic cuts in much-needed social programs at a time of economic hardship.
Bob Corker is already assembling a “shock doctrine” team. Who do you think is going to get the best out of that fight?
The President has set up a situation where the GOP will once again have all the hostages they need to force his hand. So what’s his plan? According to Robert Kuttner, he will announce at the State of the Union that he supports the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan, which includes cuts to Social Security. He has to do this, he will say, because what Paul Ryan and the Republicans want to do is much worse.
I mean, what Republicans? The ones who don’t control the Senate, who don’t control the White House and who don’t have veto power? The ones who have a slim majority in the House, a body whose power has been eroded into complete and utter irrelevance over the past two years, thank you very much Nancy Pelosi?
Today it’s Mitch McConnell and other Senate oligarchs who are chomping on cigars and slapping each other on the back for having successfully loaded the tax cut bill down with pork for themselves in exchange for voting for something they wanted anyway, things like billions in ethanol subsidies for the oil companies.
But tomorrow it could be the Chinese. Or the Iranians. Or Goldman Sachs.
The President is supposedly working behind the scenes with Pete Rouse to clean house after the first of the year. It’s rumored that Gibbs will be gone (hard to see how he can stay, after the President treated him like a garden gnome in front of Bill Clinton and the New York Times). Likewise Patrick Gaspards and the rest of the political team.
I hope the President focuses on replacing these staffers with people he trusts, because he clearly no longer trusts this bunch, and probably with good reason.
But if, as Robert Kuttner says, Obama is negotiating a “grand bargain” with the Republicans that includes cuts to Social Security benefits, the GOP is running a successful trap for him once again. White House strategists apparently believe that this will “give Obama ‘credit’ for getting serious about deficit reduction.’”
This is not how you negotiate successfully for anything. This is how you send the signal that you want a “win” at all costs, you’ll give away the farm to get one, and once someone has announced their willingness to take “hostages,” there is no demand so extreme that it will drive you away from the table.
There are much bigger bogeymen lurking on the horizon than Paul Ryan.
I have a feeling the ranks of the “sanctimonious” are going to be swelling in the near future.





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So the choices are corrupt liar or incompetent? That’s a Hobson’s Choice if ever there was one.
I don’t think there is anybody on this site that would be shocked if what Robert Kuttner says in his article came true. I think we have all just assumeed it was going to happen, maybe we didn’t think he would actually mention it in the State of the Union, but I wouldn’t be suprised anymore.
Although we will know for sure if there is a deal to cut S.S. if he fails to mention it in the State of the Union, much like the Public Option. What will be fascinating to see is what excuses the media and democrats will come up with to defend the president.
I was listening to Air America the other day and they are still portraying Obama as the victem. I guess I am shocked with how long they have been able to use that as an excuse. Media has become so party orientated that there is no debate on ideas, only party politics. No position is beyond absurd if it is held by a politician.
Great article Jane.
There’s no one on the inside who is an ally with any power. . . I don’t see what progressives can do to stop this.
He has triangulated himself into a corner, and rearranging the
deck chairsspokesbots isn’t going to get him out of it. Too little, too late, too bad (for most of us).Yeppers. Called one of them a hissy fit.
I want to play poker with the President. I guarantee I would own everything he possesses, him, his family, and everything they will ever possess after two hours of play.
Can we please stop calling him a poor negotiator? Or even a victim? Obama’s behavior is totally in keeping with the way he has always behaved. You only have to look at how he conducted himself as a state senator in Illinois to see that whenever he had an opportunity to turn a potentially beneficial piece of legislation into a win for the oligarchs, he never hestitated to butt in and muck things up for ordinary people. He always congratulated himself then, too, on being a superb negotiator. The man is dangerous to whatever little is left of this country, not to mention whatever little is left of the Democratic party.
Plz play strip poker with him, then get him to pose for a centerfold. It’ll be the only good thing he’s ever done.
So now I’m part of the Sanctimonious Professional Left? SPL/FDL. Replacement for the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, pissed off and equipped with teeth and claws.
If I saw a Barry comment here, I’m sure I’d think it was a troll.
Not that we’ve had any lack of them in the last week, 2-3 to a thread at times.
Assuming you’re a DFH, he’d clean your fucking clock.
You’d have to wear a Lloyd Blankfein mask to win.
If the constitutional “Genius” scholar followed the constitution the tax bill would have originated in the House. Didn’t someone claim he played poker or was played at poker.
Genius? Really? Constitutional scholar? Really ? In command of the armed forces? Really Genius ? Really ?
I couldn’t play poker if my life depended on it. I was responding to tremoluxman, who inferred that he could take O to the cleaners.
We SPeciaL, SD, jagged tooth and hooked claw, yes, yes.
” …pissed off …”? … a bunch of us what’s been preparing for this time, this crisis, this treason, all of our lives?
“They” haven’t a clue what “they’re” up against, but we, the people, are going to recognize the power of solidarity, common plight, and common interest …
;~DW
Just call him Barry Gang Bang.
Heck, it’s like sending an invitation for them to…take hostages. I’m suddenly struck by an eerie parallel to Jimmy Carter’s presidency.
Big diff from Carter, who was occasionally on the right side of an issue.
In 2008 “The Hill” had an article that should have served (me) as a warning. It described his poker sessions with Illinois legislators. Obama was a wuss who just wanted to play the minimum possible in exchange for a seat at the table with the boys.
Yeah, simple strategy: Republicans tell him to bend over, and he does; simple!
I don’t think he’s the only one who could clean this clown’s clock and still have time for a nice dinner, on the Genius’ dime, afterwards.
A metaphor if there ever was one.
The Right gets the Great Compromiser. The Left gets the Petty Insulter. Obama gets “the win.”
My comment wasn’t really about poker. It was about seeing O pose nude.
Obama has pre-capitulated to the Republican agenda. The next two years will be comprised of whatever McConnell and Boehner say. We sanctimonious purists have only one source of leverage that I can see: we need to gear up a liberal/progressive primary challenge to Obama with a candidate who is popular and credible, and we need to do it RIGHT NOW.
The only thing which can force Obama to the left is a real, believable threat to his re-election. No amount of blogging, op-eds, polls, or petitions will change Obama’s direction. Only if he sees the majority of Americans gravitating toward a liberal threat to his re-nomination will he even consider anything other than giving Republicans everything they want, plus whatever else he can dream up to throw into the gift package.
The most important lesson to be learned from the Teabaggers is that an empowered primary challenger can force a politician to change posture on critical issues.
This is a deadly serious game. If Obama doesn’t change direction, Social Security will be gone in 2011, and Medicare/Medicaid will be gone next. We can’t wait for 2012 and hope he will do better. It’s as plain as day that he has already made plans to give away everything.
Thank you for your post and blunt analysis, Jane.
OT– Speaking of showing up … mjgranger posted this to Jeff Kaye’s “Unreported Detainee Deaths at Guantanamo in Jan-Feb 2002?” and this was Jeff’s response. Jeff’s article is a must-read, IMO.
Don’t. Stop. Don’t. Stop. Don’t, stop. Don’t, stop. Don’t stop. Don’t stop.
The “hostages” comment, reminds me of another the comment he made last year about AIG, the one where he talked about bankers with semtex vests holding the financial system hostage. Another provocative but empty comment in the context of a big capitulation.
Hey, this is a family blog.
That’s just my take on how Obama is behaving. He says don’t. He wants you to stop, but the words start to join together to have the opposite meaning.
Just kidding.
The corporate media including NPR is calling Obama “The Comeback Kid.”
Think that’s a typo. Think they meant the scumback kid.
It’s a case of the rats jumping a sinking ship of state, methinks.
Exactly who is gonna vote for Barry?
Jane,
I have been reading this blog since word press days and
think that this is your most important post ever.
Thanks for all you do in the cesspool of DC*g*
ps. I miss CHS. I do hope you are in contact and all is well.
Everyone who doesn’t want a President Palin.
Go over & give her your wishes yourself.
I don’t think Palin could have done as much damage as Barry and crew have.
Outside of the EO on the Mexico City gag order at the beginning of this man’s term and the grudging vote on DADT (w/o much obvious presidential impetus) at the end, I’m at a loss to identify any positive results from this administration. Seems like he got slapped a great deal. (insert sigh)
Listen to Hedges on democracynow this morning about how the neolibruls have worked to destroy the left. Much more effective to do it from the ‘inside’ than the outside.
Thanks eCAHN,
I was unaware of her blog. You’re the greatest!
President Barry is an inside job. Haha
Thanks Jane for the post. I hope that you are correct that the ranks of the sanctimonious will swell after Obama’s next big sellout: gutting Social Security. Then again, I just don’t know. For now, it seems a bunch of progressives want to forgive and forget about extending the Bush tax cuts. Also, and I don’t want to be the skunk at the garden party, but I saw Rachel Maddow’s tweet after the repeal of DADT. It looks like Obama bought himself some political cover for a while with the repeal of DADT. While I think the repeal is great, I just don’t think it should cover gutting Social Security to appease Republicans. However, I predict the next time Obama sells progressives and the Democratic base out that he will have another press conference hissy fit about “How I have moved this country forward with the repeal of DADT!”
Nicest thing anyone has said about me today. *g*
You’re welcome.
Oh, I hope you and the other bloggers keep getting under Obama’s skin too.
Forward to a gigantic cliff…
Jane writes:
It’s hard for me to believe they would have refused to extend them, but is there anything in particular that makes you think so? It seems like common sense, and it seems like something that would play well to both independents and not honk off enough Republicans to matter, yet these haven’t been compelling reasons for either party lately.
Thanks for the link
Damn those dirty fucking Chinese Hippies!
There’s not anything left to compromise. It’s over now and the Republicans have already won. We’re all doomed to the Republican world view and neo-liberalism.
You’re right. That’s what he said I think. Where was that?
If she’d been elected last time, I’d have to say that’s arguably possible. Now, that the bar has been lowered so much by Ole’ Bar, I have to wonder …
78% popularity, chance of social unrest if they didn’t. Two million unemployed already getting dumped off the rolls (the 99ers) regardless.
Even the Republicans were admitting privately they’d have to do something. They just didn’t want to take shit from their base for it.
Now, it probably would’ve been smart politics to force them to take responsibility for it, but instead, the Democrats “demanded” it.
Just like they “demanded” the tax cuts.
o knows he’s a 1 timers so he’ll join forces with his new friend and that all there is. Please don’t worry about palin in 2012 jed will come in to save the party with running mate g. betrayus.
Thanks Jane I do believe the main thing we can do is go local and try and get more congress seats for progressives like you and others have done. This to me is what Howard was talking about in the 50 state deal only to have his throat slit later.
Would be great to have a link, if ya got it.
Thank you sooo much for this link! :^)
The Republican world view is untenable but I wouldn’t mind ~~~Edtied by Moderator. Not even as snark, please~~~ DLC types on our road to perdition.
omg, thanks so much eCAHN, i had no idea christy had a blog.
No, the corporate media likes a black that know his/her place.
And, as Krugman points out ,
Absolutely correct – because the Dems would have stopped them. However, have Obama do all the same Republican crap and it’s all-about-being-a-sports-club-and-our-team-captain-is-always-right. Go Dems! /s
Something has to be done about the Senate, too, I think. It might be possible to elect a House that’s progressive enough to stand up to pressure from both the President and the Senate, but I have yet to witness such a thing.
As we’ve seen with Halter, Romanoff (sp?), and Sestak, that’s not going to be so easy to do.
So, I ask again. What are WE going to do about it? Jane, why don’t you bring up primarying Obama when you are fortunate enough to get media time/ Complaining about him will not change his behavior-that’s pretty clear, isn’t it? He listens to no one outside of his small circle. We have to be done with him.
I know the narrative in here is all about how awful Obama is, but he really is worse than Palin, and the repeal of DADT is nothing and the Healthcare bill was nothing and the stimulus was nothing? I didn’t love the tax deal either, but haven’t we been arguing in favor of the stimulus bill and infrastructure investment by saying that every honest economist in the world says you don’t worry about deficits when you are trying to spur growth? Is there really no credit for anything that has been accomplished in the face of a completely unscrupulous and implacable foe? If you wonder why the administration tries too hard to spin anything it can as a win, its because nothing it does is credited as one.
The key for progressives going forward is to not forget why Obama will be negotiating from a weak position. Maybe in the coming months his plan will look better than whatever the Republicans put forth to address the deficit but it will certainly be heinous. The only reason we’re going to be talking about doing some of the things that will be discussed in D.C. after the new Congress comes in is because the President has time and time again tried to plot this dumb course which only the wealthy (though others will try and follow to be sure) can travel. He doesn’t need or deserve anyone’s sympathy but he will surely demand and expect when it comes time for his next angry press conference (I’m guessing sometime in late February).
Keep your eye on the ball and you’ll know if this guy has even come close to earning your support or if he’s just playing you like a fiddle. Great breakdown of this whole deal Jane. I almost forgot how bad it was.
It’s as if we’re experiencing a “silent coup” in slow motion…staring in disbelief until it’s too late…
Obama is the mouthpiece and executor for the PTB. They are the problem..he is a symptom in disguise.
In short, supposition based on what anyone with any sense would do. Probably not enough to convince Obama’s remaining supporters. It’s sad and frightening to me that that recent McClatchy poll (PDF) says 70% of self-identified liberals think he’s doing a good job.
I agree the Senate would help I have di-fi as a Sentator and I don’t think she a progressive by a long shot more like repug with husband business in mind.
Palin is far less dangerous to the country than the Trojan Horse now in the WH.
Sheesh, troll city today in other threads. I’m disengaging.
Jane, thank you for your tireless FACTUAL REPORTING on these issues.
I can’t help but wonder if Obama is really this against the interests of the general public, or if he’s just hopelessly in over his head?
I’d submit that the man is just fucking LOST. He’s got all these handlers around him insulating him from criticism and stroking his ego and telling him which way to go. He hasn’t thought for himself in two years.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Gibbs puts the condom on for him in the First Bed…
Agreed. The majority of the public recognize Palin (like McCain) as an extremist nutcase. There is NO WAY the individual mandate, the Obama Tax Cuts, etc., would’ve passed under McCain/Palin.
Palin would also service to mobilize the rest of the democratic base. Voters would be out in DROVES to correct her mistakes.
The corporate media including NPR is calling Obama “The Comeback Kid.”
Good lord – what’s he “coming back” to – being somewhat less of a total failure?
yippee.
Coming Back to the Republican Party.
Obama, Harry, Nancy, McConnell, and the Orange Man all worked together to take the hostages.
This stuff is not rocket science, TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH should have been the ISSUE of the 2010 MID TERMS. Period (this would have been the case if you had real democrats running the show)
the last 20 months = the following
Dems control WH
Dems control Senate
Dems control House
what do progressives get for helping DEMS control DC
1. Hoover Economic Policies
2. Bob Dole Health Care Bill
3. Bush Tax Cuts
THE ABOVE REALLY HAPPEN! THIS IS NOT SOME FICTIONAL MOVIE!
In 2008 OBAMA raise over 500 million dollars from everyday people who did not like BUSH, BUSH TAX CUTS, THE BOD DOLE HEATLH CARE BILL, HOOVER ECON POLICIES etc.
Nothing = Nancy Pelosi passing 400 Bills and Harry Reid killing Nancy 400 bills (all of this was KABUKI to the EXTREME)
the last 20 months the republicans who control nothing in DC got the following!
1. Bush Tax Cuts
2. Bob Dole Health Care Bill
3. Hoover Economic Policies
What scares DEMS, is the fact that OBAMA is going to kill their REVENUE STREAMS, and ABILITY to the FLEECE the masses. PERIOD (Major DEM DONORS ignore WH, most dumped the WH)
It is easy to deal with UNIONS!
Imagine groups like FDL, BOLD PROGRESSIVES, with a million dollar war chest to attack phony DEMS, and GOP crazy people.
HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!! :)
OFA
DNC
DCCC
DLC
are all in for a very rude awakening soon. Obama has triangulated so much the last 20 months, that he has just wipe out his friends.
I’m not sure there’s much of a difference, she would shaft her own if she got the big house just a fast as she did her state.
They’re his now. We have to make him own them. He “negotiated” this. Under Bush’s program, those tax cuts would expire in 11 days. Under Obama, they won’t expire for another 741.
We must blog even faster!!! No, really without “traditional” progressive groups getting out in front of Obama’s duplicity nothing will happen let alone change. Not-so-big labor, civil rights groups, peace activists, environmental organizations etc. but as usual they remain silent, perhaps from holding their collective breaths. It’s o.k. to use the word “collective” isn’t it? It almost appears as if their is an historical inevitability at play here. It’s not a question of steering clear of the iceberg anymore. The iceberg has been struck and the ship’s taking on water. The wealthy are busy making “arrangements” and those in steerage are on their own.
Am trying to imagine Palin giving the State of the Union address. Fits of giggles.
Dream on. They’re probably going to be enshrined as the 28th Amendment.
Thanks for :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) I have to go now
At least with Palin you can laugh. With Obama you can’t help but cry.
Agreed. Part of the problem is that progressive states like California are generally hitting below their weight here. Feinstein, Murray, Specter and Casey, Schumer – all have been disappointments these last few years. At least, they’d be disappointments if you actually expected them to vote like progressives.
Sticking her chin out….You waant or gan ic food…get out thayre and shoot some elk folks..you waant heat..build a camp fire like Taaadd and I do…you waant social security…get a…..(you get the picture) you betcha.
But would it force O to the left, or would he simply call out all the DNC talking heads to paint the challenger as a stupid pinko commie hippie whacko?
I do agree that O needs to be challenged, on all fronts. But we can’t enter into the fight of our lives without recognizing that it will require much more than just a primary challenge. It will take a primary challenge, a 3rd party candidate, a huge populist grassroots movement complete with large-scale protest marches, a re-awakened media, and it will take a Democratic party willing to break with “their man” to re-embrace the basic principles of their party.
She’s also on Facebook.
Define “family”. :)
Not to mention the efforts it will take just to educate a moronic electorate on how to read.
Enough with the POLLS
the only POLL that matters is the one the SATURDAY before an election and guess what it will show 50% chance of each party winning to boost TV ratings on TUESDAY night
Obama also knows, what we know, he is done! With out the help of hard core liberals OBAMA not going to win anything. FACT
Any Dem with a little political savvy can destroy OBAMA in a PRIMARY!
the MSM is doing their best to mis-lead the base of the DEM PARTY, to keep a primary from happening. OBAMA is the evil they created!
they do not want 2012 to be an election between two candidate that have a shot of winning! (obama is their fall guy, he is a 1 termer)
putting a progressive or a real dem on the 2012 ticket will energize the DEM base, and the elites do not want this!
Obama knew he was a 1 termer in 2008! you did not get the memo I see
Oh I’m sure. The GOP has already said that they will do their damndest to make these adjustments permanent. I’m just saying we won’t have an opportunity, under the current legislation, to get rid of them for another 741 days.
thank you for correcting me
OT, but how is it that the trolls on here can’t see there are more people in the workforce than there are jobs to employe them? It’s a simple fucking math problem.
X jobs / y workers = z
No, liar and incompetent.
Works for me.
I’ll take Palin over obama.Palin more predictable.
The important part is that progressives have to be seen as the reason that Obama lost. That is essential, no matter what else happens. If that doesn’t happen, progressives will cease to matter in American politics for the next decade. We will own all the policies that Obama has promulgated, because, to the press and much of the public, Obama is a liberal. Only if we repudiate him when it matters will we get that label back from him.
:)
I just think it’s important that the voting public holds his ass accountable come November 2012.
O’s very predictable. He always does the opposite to what he sez.
Tens of millions of people who currently have their eyes glued to anything that lets them pursue escapism.
Actually, I’m finding that if you figure out what course will screw his base, that’s usually what Obama will go for. The only problem is, as with DADT, sometimes the way he’ll go about that isn’t quite as obvious.
hey, hey, hey firedog !!!
Even if a Dem has the “political savy” to take on Obama the one thing all seem to lack is the courage of their convictions, in other words a backbone. Word has it that evolutionary biologists are researching Democrats to see if they have indeed through evolution lost their spines.
The problem there is we have no idea how extreme his “compromises” will be.
At least with Sarah we know she’ll go to the right of wingnut lynch-mob.
How are they funding that research? Do they know they’re going to lose funding in a few months? The GOP already has the answer. The Democrats didn’t evolve, Jesus hates them and took their spines.
Good point and Obama is ever so willing to promote the myth that he’s a liberal. A new kind of liberal. Today’s “liberal” is tomorrows conservative.
And in her own self-absorbed grifter way, Caribou Barbie does at least seem willing to fight for what she believes in. I may completely disagree with her point of view, but Palin seems ready to fight for it.
Obama??? Obama exemplies how to be a “cave-meister.” weak, unscrupulous, waffling, dull, victimizing to the end…
Absolutely. The New York Times had a good article all the way back in May 2008, about his past political career:
Becker J, Drew C. Pragmatic politics, forged on the South Side. New York Times. 2008 May 11; A:1. Online version corrected 2008 May 25 and 2008 Oct 19. Available from: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us/politics/11chicago.html.
For example (emphasis added):
He finds it very hard to believe that this strategy isn’t working anymore. It got him to the White House, didn’t it?
Obama’s negotiation strategy doesn’t make sense if you look at it from the point of view of a real negotiator, who actually wants to get as much as possible for his own side. It is much more comprehensible if you look at it from the point of view of a total hypocrite who doesn’t care what the final agreement looks like, as long as he can sell it as a victory.
But on the world stage, it doesn’t work any more even from that point of view. Obama is finding out that there isn’t really a job opening in the world at large for a Hypocrite-in-Chief.
That’s the politically correct explanation.
The other day When he told a Hispanic, the reason he was deporting so many illegals was because he needed the support of republicans that translated to me that he knows he will not get the principled progressives votes and so needs the republicans to vote for him.
The 70% of liberals who approve of the job he’s doing, plus the ones too afraid to vote for anyone else, because The Other Guys ™ will profit from it.
Polls matter. They tell you what you’re up against.
Nobody’s “doomed.” Keep fighting. Don’t stop. Is everything supposed to be simply handed away to the CEO-banker class? There hasn’t been a single demonstration so far in the US. We complain on blogs while young people in the UK and Greece take to the streets. ~~~Edited by Moderator. No need for the violence discussion. People understand the point~~~
Palin doesn’t believe in anything. She has merely positioned herself as the “Mama Grizzly” who fights about everything – the perfect counterpart to Obama’s Cave-Man. Palin is every bit as hypocritical as Obama – possibly even more so.
he is not any of those things. As jane said in a former blog, he is getting exactly what he wants. And as long as we say all those other things about him, we are not dealing with the reality that he is a republican.
Thanks for this excellent, if a bit dispiriting, post.
These serial capitulations have taken a serious toll on progressive politics, and I can’t help think that by this time next year 2010 will look like the “good old days”. We’ll all individually have to keep plugging away at progressive issues, getting them in the mindshare, slotting them into local campaigns where we can.
Nevertheless, even as a long time citizen participant in politics I have strong doubts that any effective progressive leverage can be wielded without the use of more equitable voting tech such as Instant Runoff Voting. I doubt even a strong primary challenge (as if) to Obama would compel more than lip-service to Progressive issues. Look what we’ve got so far from the “Hope” campaign :-(
Thanks for a terrific post, Jane, and great analysis.
THIS particular point has been mostly LOST on most trad Dem voters. I keep having to *repeat* to my Dem pals that it’s not “simply amazing” that the ReTHUGS “voted” for the POS tax bill, which included UI benefits. My trad Dem pals have drunk the Kool Aid and buy the propoganda that Obummer managed to “strong arm” the Thugs into bending to Obama’s masterful will at getting UI benefits, plus they still see cutting the Soc Sec payroll tax a giant WIN, too.
Have to keep hammering away that Obama is NOT your friend, and his main goal now is to gut Soc Sec… but no doubt said pals will be *shocked* when that happens.
Just goes to show how many citizens are totally asleep at the wheel.
I agree. If M/P had won the election, the Dems would still have controlled Congress. That would not have magically turned our corporatist Dems into bleeding liberals, but it would have forced the Dems to differentiate themselves from the Repubs. The Dems would have opposed M/P policies for purely political purposes, but the end result would probably not have been as friendly to the monied.
The tax deal was not stimulative. It extended the Bush tax cuts which have been in place since ’01 and ’03 and led to the worst US jobs creation decade since before WWII. There was no infrastructure investment involved and the payroll tax cuts are the first step toward the destruction of social security (which they’ve already been whining is about to collapse)
No, behind the huckster’s $1,000 sharkskin suit he beats Palin everytime. Palin’s a clown. Obama’s a killer shark and the U.S. public has their collective feet dangling in the water.
True enough, although with O a good rule of thumb would be to imagine the worst then multiply it by some factor, like 10, or 100, of 1000, or whatever.
the progressives I just spent time in jail with in DC were not included in that 70%. they know the truth of Obama and his war crimes and have no intention of supporting him. I think we would be safer with Sarah. At least she would lose the empire, because uninformed progressives would not stand for it under her.
Eh – mostly I agree with you, and I can’t stand the Quitter. Just that anymore, it seems as if she’d stand up more for whatever her party tells her to do. Obama just waffles constantly.
Jeb and the first Bush was guest of Obama’s in the oval office earler this year.
I’m new to this blog. I admire all of the passion and will definitely keep reading for the perspective, but alot of this is completely irrational to me. The notion that Obama is somehow worse than Palin just leaves me stunned. I know I’m probably painting a bullseye on myself here, but I remember when we were told that there was no difference between Al Gore and W by all the Nader supporters, and then we had the worst president in the nation’s history. However corporate or insufficiently left we think Al Gore would have been, is there any doubt he was a better and more rational choice than W? I’m just trying to understand if people on this thread see it as their role to be unapologetically, completely progressive as a means of dragging the country forward, but understand that the country as a whole is not on board and is being regularly duped, or really believe that Obama must hate the poor and the left and is actively working against us.
Good article by Jane … as usual … but a more apt title would be: Barack Obama and the Art of Capitulation
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No doubt they were rolling on the floor in hysterics.
I really believe he will run. The set-up is just perfect.
If we would only understand that without money as power all we have are the masses and the masses would vote for a progressive before Obama, except that first we need to realize someone has to run outside the DLC corporate democratic corrupted small minded party. The lesson from 2010 is that we will not vote for them just because the republicans are worse.
Unfortunately, their votes each count the same as the votes of the people who think he’s doing a good job. What’s frustrating to me is these should be the people who are most dissatisfied with the job he’s doing. They apparently either can’t or won’t figure that out.
Listen to Chris Hedges on democracynow.org this morning & see if you find his arguments about how neolibruls are destroying the Ds from the inside make sense to you.
Just came in to measure for his new carpet.
I agree with the growing number of lefties who believe Obama is losing his deals because he wants to lose his deals.
Everything I’ve seen about Obama leads me to believe that poor judgement, not faulty deal-making, lies at the heart of his leadership. I doubt that the President is being cowed or outmaneuvered as much as it might seem. This guy made it in Chicago, where he would surely know how to cut a deal or two.
It’s just that they’re always bad deals. Obama has terrible judgement. Given a series of alternatives, he will pick the worst one every time. Not only that–he will work enthusiasticaly for the worst one. He will negotiate ruthlessly for it. Hence, the bad deals.
Eat the Elite
have taken to calling him President Origami
With Palin, people knew that she was an idiot and what would happen.
With Obama, we got the bait and switch. His rhetoric was that of a progressive but his actions have been that of a Republican. Giving away the most liberal negotiating position before even starting negotiating then further collapsing is part of it. As is giving away things like the public option while still claiming he supported the public option then lying about it.
Many people would prefer the person who we can recognize is honestly against us rather than the back stabber
Obama has a pattern. He promises one thing that progressives, liberals and other civilized beings support….then he makes the opposite happen. HE has created the pattern. People are justifiably reacting. Lots of people contributed time, energy, hope that got him elected. The proof is in the pudding…tragically. The references to Palin are only that she wears her intentions on her sleeve. If she were elected, the things that have come to pass under Barry, most likely would not have passed…it’s not that anyone wants Palin.
Funny…probably true!!
In retrospect, he probably wouldn’t have gotten us in a war with Iraq, but that’s the only practical difference I see. When he spoke about policy at all, he sounded just like Clinton. Clinton only sounded good when his enemies were talking about him, which isn’t much of a recommendation.
Voting against someone, which is what voting for Gore meant to me, is occasionally a wise thing, but it’s a bad habit to get into. Progressives have been doing it for the last thirty-plus years, and the country has drifted right as a result. Only people who are willing to take their votes elsewhere count. You can either believe that or continue watching things drift as they are no matter which of the two major parties is in power.
All of our major issues of today, were brought to us by Clinton.
1. Nafta jobs gone
2. corporate media Clinton put the nail in that coffin.
3. DADT, brought to us by Clinton.
4. Financial crisis brought to us because of getting rid of Glass Stegel (sp)
5. Very poor paying for his destruction of welfare.
If you have a problem with that wait for the chapter after Obama because the progressives don’t hold them accountable because they are dems which means only they can get away with this. Reps never could. I could go on about why i will not support obama but just one. The first thing he did after 2010 was the arms deal with India. I will not support and arms dealer.
i think kuttner is spot on.
john sonunu wrote an oped in the boston globe today lavishing praise on erksine bowles and alice rivkin as the saviors of sanity and “adult” seriousness.
this to me signals that the game has already begun and republicans are up to speed on what will be proposed. it certainly looks like sonunu is prepping the battlefield in advance.
(click if you want to be ill http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/12/20/giving_the_lie_to_fiscal_horror_stories/?p1=Well_Opinion_links)
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Obama is a worse President than Palin would be – but he’s definitely a better con artist, and neither of them has the country’s best interest at heart. Keep reading – I’ve only recently (since the midterm elections!) come to realize that Obama is evil. I started reading and participating on Firedoglake specifically because I knew that Jane Hamsher has been the premier critic of Obama from the Left since before he was elected, and I was shocked and appalled at some of the things he did after the midterms. The immediate catalytic event that brought me to Firedoglake was a TV appearance where Jane talked about Obama governing years into the future while letting people’s lives to go hell in the present. Some people here do engage in hyperbole, but the fundamental bottom line – that Obama is evil – is not in any way irrational.
Polls only matter when they benefit the rich!
Polls did not matter with the Public Option
Polls did not matter with the Bush Tax Cuts
Polls do not matter with the Wars
do you think 70% of the USA citizens think the USA is on the right track? No
Money is the blood of politics!
Obama is starting to hurt the blood that gives the DEM party life
Major DEM DONORS are abandoning OBAMA! :(
Ask Obama what poor candidates do? Lose
i wouldn’t doubt that Obama would use him as a running mate.
The list of names just keeps growing. President Origami, Mr. Bipartisan, Sir Cave-a-lot……………..
It will amongst his hard-core supporters, who seem to care more about their man getting ‘credit’ than about the greater good. But that will never get him re-elected. If he cuts SS to make nice with the Republicans after giving them deficit enlarging tax cuts for the rich you’ll have an “enthusiasm gap” in 2012 that will make the one for the mid-terms look tame.
Obama’s fate as a one-term wonder is sealed. He has no sense of purpose, no vision, no ideology other than himself. His self-centered whining is rather shocking, really. And because he is a Democrat and still has too many fans, he is actually more dangerous to the progressive cause than any Republican president could be. So his loss in 2012 is unfortunately the best outcome progressives can hope for.
Obma/Bloomberg, Obama/Jeb, Obama/Lieberman, the Obama/Boehner, the possibilities are dizzying.
thanks for the sane perspective
He certainly tried to screw the base with DADT. He wanted it to be part of the def auth bill, which he knew would be filibustered, so that it could be traded away as a compromise. He quietly worked behind the scenes against it’s repeal, and he succeeded in a way. The bill that was passed is not really a repeal, though it does provide a mechanism by which enforcement of DADT might end, if several hoops are jumped and multiple waiting periods are observed, and nobody balks along the way.
Obama would love it….Babs..not so much. She wants Jebby as POTUS in her lifetime. Besides, they’d lose.
Unless, as I suspect he runs as a republican or independent
A third party candidate would only split the Dems and guarantee a Repub victory. Not the desired result. The primary challenger has to be an authentic candidate for the presidency, someone we would actually want to win, because we don’t know if the mere threat of a challenge would force O to the left. I personally don’t want Obama for a second term, even if he were to start shifting positions; he can’t be trusted to work for the People when he’s already shown himself to be so easily controlled by the whims of fat-cats.
But the deal is, there needs to be a PERSON who represents the policies we want implemented, a person who embodies the progressive agenda and who is working toward taking Obama’s job. No matter how many of us are outraged or dissatisfied with Obama’s performance as President, we are easily dismissed by O and his minions: “What’re they gonna do? Vote for Nader? Hahahaha!” They would not be chortling so smugly if it were: “What’re they gonna do? Vote for Russ Feingold? Oh wait…they might!”
Jesus only hates them because they hate America. If they would only love America like the Republicans do, then Jesus would love them again.
Is that because he folds so artfully?
Apologies to Jane for the O/T, but I hope you can find to write about your experience in MyFDL.
The People don’t really care about the “deficit”…they don’t even know what the capital of New York is…they care about food on the table, their own debt, jobs, and healthcare and survival.
I thought that there was a “deal” involved in the DADT repeal as well. The Republicans insisted that the Defense Authorization bill keep a provision advanced by Illinois Republicans that will prohibit Guantanamo prisoners from being transferred to the U.S. mainland for incarceration or trial in exchange for their contribution of a few votes for DADT repeal.
Until the 70 percent I’m talking about changes dramatically, and in a way that won’t change back easily, none of the things you mention will matter. Progressive policies are what this country needs right now, and we’re not going to get them until enough progressives realize that they’ve been screwed by this guy, and screwed deliberately. Until that happens, the people who run things can continue to ignore us.
welcome to the HOPE A DOPE!!!
Now you know why, the MSM does not want anyone to primary OBAMA in 2012
are you made at the fact, the elites just played you for a fooled?
Obama knew when he walked in the WH he had 4 years to wreck the DEMS.
A below avg Dem would have killed the GOP, not Obama he brought them back to life.
What you just said, is a fact now, DEMS did not have a choice in 2008!
(John McCain = OBama)
All war is base on Deception SUN TZU
Sadly, I have to go with President Hopey Changey. Sometimes, from the mouths of simpletons…
I’ve currently got a diary up about how we can avoid the whole dilemma of third-party versus reforming the Democrats, and get the best of both worlds:
http://my.firedoglake.com/sebastos/2010/12/18/a-prosthetic-spine-for-the-democratic-party/
I missed that, but wouldn’t be the least surprised. Damn few congressmen of either party are willing to sign up to the idea that we should follow the Constitution there.
We were not silent in dc. VFP event where 132 were arrested. many of them had served their country and there was a total black out of the event. It is not that we are silent, it is that they are silencing us and without the internet, no one would know what is going on, that is why tomorrow they will be voting to close down the internet as we know it, brought to you by the obama appointed FCC corporate media thug.
Sounds like a no win when the deck stacked.The first Bush talked about the new world order at the United Nations before the first Iraq war.
Sorry to say Russ has said he will not run.
re thinking because inartful is his whole repetoire
still like President Art Ofthepossible and The Oligarch Whisperer
Yup. It appears to be in full-swing now.
attacked the 23 democratic senators up for re-election and you will get your progressive policies
OBAMA is a smoke screen! he does not matter
Primary the 23 dem senators, up for re-election in 2012. They want to get re-elected.
Obama is not a MORON, he is doing exactly what he was told to do! Period
Don’t worry about the 70%, they are a changing :)
2012 outlook for USA
10% or greater un-employment
foreclotures breaking records
99ers living on MAIN STREET
plenty of Social Un-Rest
None of OBAMA hoover policies will work!
His being able to run as a Republican strikes me as quite a trick. Running as an independent might be doable, if he can hold onto his cult of personality enough to get the organization in place.
Gawd don’t get me started! I have quite a long list of names, not all of them nasty, but all of them expressing derision of varying degrees.
Rumor has it that he wants to run for the other WI Senate seat. To do that, he probably needs the support of the DC Democratic establishment. Seems unlikely he’d give that up for what still looks to be a pyrrhic run at Obama.
Do you suppose that’s because we’ve got someone’s attention? Someone who thinks we might be dangerous because more people might start to listen to us? Personally, I think a 3-troll thread is a triumph.
the NEW WORLD ORDER? not going to well now
Europe is laughing at BUSH SR, BUSH JR, CLINTON, AND OBAMA
Europe will never live in world rule by stupid americans
plus the Chinese and Russians are going their on way (they just dump the US dollar)
Ask Obama how the last G20 went? not well
Russia is the biggest energy producer in the WORLD! must have them on board to do NEW WORLD ORDER
the EUROPEANS are having some problems, with NWO, their people are not as dumb as SARAH PALIN.
I am not as politically sophisticated as many of the people on this thread, but I believe whether he hates the poor and is actively working against us is irrelevant. He will do whatever he believes is to his advantage, and will profit him financially and politically. I also think he does not care whether he wins a second term, he has already achieved his personal objectives.
Unfortunately we cannot even count on the states, or any of our Democratic politicians. Here in Washington State Governor Christine Gregoire is busy abolishing Basic Health, which has been a wonderful program, as well as dismantling the entire social safety net of this state. She does this with apologies having to present this in her words immoral budget, however, she insists that she has heard the will of the people via Tim Eyman, and the will of the people demands that there be no other sources of revenue considered, leaving only cutting the services to the truly helpless and needy in order to balance the budget. There is nowhere to turn.
Merry Christmas!
I wasn’t suggesting that the tax deal is stimulative. I was trying to say that I oppose the tax cuts for the wealthy, but don’t feel in the short term that recapturing that revenue for the purposes of deficit reduction is important. I think it’s important because it costs more money to run a good government than we collect, and I philosophically think the rich should pay more, but I’m not focused on the deficit at this point.
My writing skills are not the greatest. We had 17 people from MN go. 8 were arrested. 2 of us did not pay our money so will go to trial. There were 7 in our van including Coleen Rowley whistle blower and Time Magazine person on the year in 2002. I am really a dummy on the computer and don’t know about My FDL but would really like to get the word out about what happened so if you could help in directing a dummy I would really appreciate it. We were fortunate enough to have an Indie press person with us that has done some great youtube also. I haven’t had much sleep in days. It was a long drive there and back.
Whether or not Palin could have done as much damage as Obama, John “My fellow prisoners” McCain certainly could have done far more. He has, shall we say, issues with other nations, and I am absolutely convinced that if he had been elected President, he would have found a way to rationalize blowing up the world, all the while telling himself that he was reluctantly doing his duty as a good soldier and Commander-in-Chief.
We need to distinguish between saying “Obama has evil intentions” (true) and saying “X would have been better than Obama” (probably false for X=Palin, certainly false for X=McCain).
Nah, most Dems also believe in evolution. We’re heretics, you see.
All we need is one principled progressive to contrast Obama and he is toast.
OK, we’re looking at a minimum of something like $25M to accomplish that. Actually, given how much campaigns cost these days, that’s probably an understatement by an order of magnitude. All to change a few minds in the Senate. Anyone who has that kind of money can influence politics in any number of ways. Plus, as I’ve already noted, we tried in three different Senate races to get someone more progressive elected. The net outcome was 0 for 3.
Where’s that money going to come from, for races that typically no one pays attention to outside of the states involved?
Obama/Beelzebub, Obama/Cthulhu, what’s the difference?
Protest at the corporate headquarters of the corrupt and complicit media. Protest on the doorsteps of their celebrity mouthpieces, the Katie Kourics, the Brian Williams, the Dianne Sawyers, the Steve Krofts et al.
If a Repub wins, then what will be different from what we have now?
If a Repub wins, then Repubs lose seats in the next mid-terms, it gives Dem voters something to rally around, it gives Dems in Congress someone to oppose, and it gives liberals a chance to reset what “centrist” means.
The point is that if you have to choose between, say, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John McCain, you’ve already lost. Progressives have to find a way to drive the candidate-selection process from the very beginning, and take it out of the hands of the insiders, or there won’t be any good choices available. This is a separate issue from whether we run our candidate as a Democrat or under a third-party banner (or, as I propose, both at the same time). I’m currently writing a diary on candidate selection, tentatively to be entitled “Three-candidate monte and due diligence”.
“That certainly echoes what I’ve heard from other corners: Obama’s seven-minute tirade against critics in his own party did not inspire confidence in his leadership skills.”
It does if your audience is the villagers of the beltway media, who lauded his attacks on the left as a strong show of strength and independence. It does give Obama the impression he is making sound policy decisions when all you have around are the creeps and crooks who took us to this place, and their only goal is to save their asses. So by typical Washington standards, Obama’s a god. Never mind the damned country is falling down all around, his buddies and benefactors are doing just peachy, thank you Maam.
The question on the table is, What the hell are progressives and liberals going to do about this failed presidency? Are we going to continue to stand behind a man who clearly is a member and supporter of the system we so despise.
So to sum up he is a SNAKE, a worthless leader or not honest enough to switch to the Republican party-aka a snake. (cuts to social security for the state of the union speech-then he IS the weapon that will have finally killed the Dem party)
He is the worst thing for this country and we thought he was the best. The end times are here for America. The rest is just delusion. Read some Chris Hedges.
You said:
Now that reads to me that you were in fact saying that the tax bill was stimulative when you include the two items in one sentence and use stimulus as a reason to support the tax bill as bad as it was.
Most folks here are in agreement that more spending is necessary. But we also call bullshit on those who claim the tax cuts are needed while complaining about the deficit in the next breath. In fact, my belief is that the taxes should go back to the Eisenhower era rates when the US economy was in the best shape of all.
Read Chris Hedges at truthdig to see a great description of our leaders. small people
The senate needs cleaning all incumbent need to go.will have to be done more than once. For 40 years the senate has sold out working class and gave the upper middleclass and the 5% at the top walking around money
The Bushes, Clintons, Obama are not the NWO. The NWO runs them…the “leaders” of countries change, but the mega money family banks and corporations that back those leaders and ultimately call the shots in the European and in the US…don’t really change.
Once people lose faith in another’s integrity, I’d say it’s over. He got his deal for the rich. We’ll all go bankrupt in order to pay for that. His oligarch overlords should be happy because now the Middle Class will become extinct (their wet dream) and the poor and seniors will be put out in the street.
Other than that, I can’t imagine why Obama and Biden might be scrambling around to make assurances or attempts to reinstate credibility, do you?
Have a little faith :)
Obama showed us all the way, who cares about the truth? say anything just win! once elected become your true self.
By the way, there are people who read FDL, that can hamper Senators re-elections
No Senator wants to defend the actions of OBAMA!
I can see the commercials now, SENATOR X and OBAMA hugging why the voice says Senator X and OBAMA cut your Social Security. :)
I don’t think Obama is evil for starters. I was referring to a Palin presidency w/o McCain.
Reshuffle all you want….it’s not going to change the fact that for 2 years the left has been pissed upon by this president and totally ‘sold out’.
Promises, Promises….even blathering Joe is out there doing damage control. Hell, he might just as well save his breath. It’s over and liberals have no further time for this administration.
We’re moving on without them in order to find real Democrats and real progressives to take their place.
The time for damage control was long, long ago following the other sellout – remember that one? Ah, yes, the magical mysterious disappearing public option!
Hell, these fools are a day late and a dollar short. The base has vanished and they’re just realizing that they may have a problem?
wow.
sanctimonius
Well, at least you used a lowercase “e”. :)
And add to that concern, many of us in MN know how horrible Amy Klobacher is and Al Franken and others in the nation think they are wonderful. Franken is coming out for net neutality at the same time he is having peace protesters arrested at his office and then advising his staff to go testify against them. so much for 1st Amendment. People are also having the same experience with Amy, but at least she is not coming out acting like she cares about the 1st amendment.
Good on you.
“If you’ve been to jail for justice, you’re a friend of mine.”
The Oligarch Whisperer is by far my favorite.
China and Russia are not Europe
thus the problem
I have
I’m with you in theory. I don’t know if the Greens are the right vehicle (Nader and the Greens’ European roots would represent a certain amount of baggage in the minds of many American voters), but that would depend a lot on whether they are willing to play this game. In my own fantasies, I keep wishing that the Progressive Caucus would come together as a cohesive steering force. At any rate, it’s clear that there needs to be a significant source of funding for progressive candidates which is outside and independent of the DNC structure. Perhaps that’s what Soros has in mind, a progressive counterpoint to Rove’s GPS. If he could get Warren Buffet on board, they might be able to make things happen.
Jane Hamsher is the at the top of list of the analysis of American politics.
Obama has now become ‘totally toxic’ to any Democrat hoping to be re-elected.
There is NO WAY anyone is buying the fact that this was not a total sellout of the middle class as well as a broken promise. This was one of the premiere issues Obama campaigned on calling them “Bush’s Tax Cuts for the Rich” …
Well, now he owns them and they bear HIS name. There’s no way he can spin this to his advantage and Dems will be running from him like the plague in 2012.
Santimonious….pious….how about adding “liars” to the mix?
Indeed, Jane looks delphic right now. She has been spot on!
Oligarch Whisperer….really sums it up. Love it.
I know.
Obama has been “rolled” by the Republicans who are just licking their chops to decimate social security…..then they’ll destroy Medicare….and onto Medicaid next.
By 2012, ALL of the justification for destroying some of the greatest programs in this country will be OBAMA’S TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH. Imagine how much healthcare that could purchase for children without any?
There is no way to spin this into something positive – no way whatsoever.
“Unfortunately, this time it was the Chinese who were on the receiving end. In response to Jake Tapper’s question on Chinese currency manipulation, Obama referred it as an “irritant,” and then patronizingly told the Chinese they needed to be “a responsible partner.”
Its amazing isnt it? how he seems to expect those he places in rhetorical opposition to himself or his stated goals, to just acknowlege his inherent superiority and fall in line? In one case his(mostly former) closest supporters we progs, in another case a basically hostile competitor, global economic power and asian millitary hegemon,(still ostensibly “Communist”). He talks to both groups the same way. Dosent matter that one group was one of his best and strongest assets, the other a foreign power and competitor to the US. I guess thats Obama “Bi partisanship” at work: Theres his side, and the wrong side. Its a juveille stance that is easy to defeat.
Yes I was there with Daniel Ellsberg, Chris Hedges, Ray McGovern, Coleen Rowley, Mass raging grannies, Dr. Flowers, Media Benjamin, Jodie Evans, Betty Sweet, Francine Cole 92, Joan Nicholson, Iraq vets, Afgan vets, and vets ranging back to WWII. And over hundred other true Americans. I was truly honored to be there for my country and my grand children and the children around the world who we are slaughtering.
Jane is a visionary and a mover and shaker.
I can only imagine their shock and chagrin when they begin soliciting us for contributions and they realize that that wonderfully-organized ‘Obama machine’ has evaporated – poof! Just as quickly as it came together.
Do they really think we’re going to ever believe them again?
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I would like to see a campaign that Removed the incumbent senitors for the next 18 years +.
Yes, that’s one major role that the “governor party” (as I call it) would play, in addition to acting as a conspicuous seal of approval. If the Greens did step up to the plate as a governor party, the Democrats would never get another dime from me. Ditto for volunteer effort. The idea of the governor party is to package the funding, volunteers, seal-of-approval, and any other essential functions together with each other – and out of reach of the DNC insiders. Just as with the Tea Party vis-a-vis the Republicans.
If the Green Party were willing to be flexible enough to play the role, its name recognition (and fearsome reputation as a source of third-party challenges to DINOs) would outweigh any of the negatives. If not, another entity (like TheMalcontent’s New Progressive Alliance) would have to step up to the plate instead.
I personally would very much like to get Soros and his money on board, but I know he’s controversial with some on the Left. Buffett, even more so.
I understood that was what you thought, which is why I tried to clarify. I am assuming that some people are opposed to the tax deal because they think it fails to collect revenue that could be used to reduce the deficit. I’m saying I don’t care about the deficit at present, and that as much as I hate the tax cuts for the wealthy, I would trade it away for a limited time to get something meaningful. The problem is (1) will it really be for a limited time (I know nobody in here thinks so and even I’m not naive enough to think that there won’t be another fight), and (2) that we didn’t get nearly enough for it. I don’t know if the Eisenhower rates are the right level, but know that the GOPs biggest con job over the last forty years has been simply confusing people about how much it costs to run the government. Tax rates should be much higher. That’s as sophisticated as my analysis gets.
If he is going to win the senate seat he needs to abandon Obama. He lost because the progressives did not vote for him. He said he would not vote for the Health bill without a public option, he lied. He also voted for that bill saying it was OK for Israel to defend themselves when they killed those people on that ship that were trying to take humanitarian aid to Gaza. Progressive don’t kindly to people like that. so he either goes back to who he was or joins the corporations to win.
Yeah, I wouldn’t hold my breath on the tax cuts becoming anything but permanent in two years.
We have the history of Obama capitulating anyway, with the addition of a Republican led House, a Senate with over 20 Ds up for re-election in ’12 who will all be running scared and a likely official unemployment rate still hovering at or near 10%. The noise machines will assure that the low info folks will think it is a good thing to make the cuts “permanent” and they will as Obama has not shown any willingness to actually fight for anything he claims to believe in.
But but but…
The talking heads keep saying this is Obama’s 100000 dimensional chess plan….they even get barney frank to kiss Oilbombers ass.
Al Franken was HURT that he had to take that vote….Not as hurt as the elderly that are going to be living in the street…but he’s hurt and crying into his fortune.
Congress causes either mental illness or soul cancer.
I got an email from that former Obama for america group and when I unsubscribed, I told them I was one of those sanctimonious f—ing retards so I was sure they had sent me something in error.
Dear Jane, Obama is not a poor negotiator he is simply serving the elite that own him. Obama’s top seven contributors are Wall Street. So far he has served Wall Street to a degree they have only dreamed of in the past and that includes Bush’s reign. Obama is allowing fraud to be the new norm that Americans must deal with to finance something as simple as a dwelling. No, this is NOT poor negotiation, this is an out and out open display of contempt for the working people of this nation. He conned them and now he’s kicking them openly. His “audacity” has reached epic levels.
Obama and his true party, the party of the elite super wealthy have feasted non stop on the taxpayers’ dime with no end in sight. And continuing the contempt Obama has for the average people that elected him, he accuses them of being too stupid to know what he really meant when he campaigned. But more insultingly, he chastises the very people he is hurting, the people that came together like no other time in modern history for CHANGE, health care security, the right to not be robbed by the super wealthy through debt schemes and an end to this for profit war.
This man is simply not who he says he is. Wise people have always known that actions portray truth in character. While Obama is smooth and his voice is warm and his words are fatherly, he is serving us up like a can of tuna to the rich.
We must start our campaign for a new third party candidate. Even if for no other reason than to signal to the Dems we have had enough. If Obama runs against Satan, I still will not vote for him, I simply won’t vote for this liar for any reason because Obama serves the elite class that is taking down this country. In Wendell Potter’s last video he told how it was Wall Street that made the decision to give us no real health care reform. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZPPSsryw
The Financial Elite are running this country For Profit and no other reason. People are nothing but cattle to be skinned and consumed. We must line up our candidate for 2012 and we must start singing his praises NOW. The Tea Party has broken the ground for accepting those outside of the phony two party system even though they really are a part of it. Who is going to run for the Green Party? We must get started no matter how futile it appears. Obama will continue to serve up working people and people will be falling all over themselves to find someone fit to vote for.
he was not rolled by the republicans. check out Glen Ford of Black Majority Agenda. This is obama’s doing.
People actually believe his crap while he is having peaceful people jailed. I asked him to his face how it is that he thinks he can say we need these wars when the people in the countries want us out and Americans don’t want these wars and of course, he did not answer me
But the media calls him a pie in the sky dreaming hippy dippy communist.
So naturally our uneducated idiot masses believe he’s actually a socialist and his elitist bankster bullshit is a socialist utopia.
How do you fight stupid with facts when the country is filled with people who don’t know their asses from their elbows when it comes to this stuff.
We can’t beat the economics cranks because when we operate we use facts.
We can debate one for hours, they’ll serve up steaming plates of easily destroyed bullshit that regular americans happily eat with a spoon because it sounds purty.
But make one mistake, hell even a typo and the economic crank squad jumps on you for it.
Fox turned america into a fact free idiocracy with no negative consequences for spouting insane bullshit as long as you look strong while doing it.
I respectfully disagree, that “the media” are party oriented. Let me qualify that, the 2 party bitchfest is being hyped by them,but at the top, they have a larger nonpartisan agenda. They are selling the shock doctrine,the neoliberal “austerity” plan. the partisan good cop – bad cop gag (which ingeniously works both ways for dem and repub voters)distracts people from the outcome, which is always the same. tax cuts and direct cash tranfers for the wealthy and thier corporations, austerity for the rest of us. The “partisan wrangling” is a basically, if not enmtirely, a puppet show.
You asked Obama that!?
God, I’d watch out before you get a black bag over your head and are sent to a “freedom camp.”
I’d be as frightened of bringing it up to that tin eared tyrant as I would be if I was stuck in an elevator with cheney without a cross, holy water and asked him why he wasn’t reflecting in the mirror and looking at me hungrily while unlocking his man sized safe.
It was noted elsewhere on this thread that people were saying in 2000 that there would be no significant difference between Al Gore and G.W. Bush. We can see now that that was incorrect. Just because we can’t today envision anything worse than what we’ve got doesn’t mean that it can’t get a lot worse than we can even imagine. It is very necessary for us to prevent a Republican from becoming President. We may not know just HOW things could be worse, but we can be quite certain that the Republicans will think of a way to make it so.
“The Oligarch Whisperer”, that’s just brilliant!
Might be sticky too.
Exactly! We’ve got to get started, and not be afraid of looking foolish. Daniel J. Galvin made this same point in his recent book salon (Daniel Galvin @ 33):
I’m more optimistic than Galvin on this issue. Progressives actually used to be quite good at street protests, and as Jane implies, Obama’s progressive support is declining exponentially. But it’s one reason why we need a party (like the Greens) running the show, and not just a glorified PAC. Yes, we need people pulling strings and routing money, but we also need our organization to be noticed – we have nothing to gain from hiding anything we’re doing, quite the contrary. Raise the banner and they will arise and march!
They won’t care if we don’t donate. The money thing is basically covered by the corporations and foreign powers now.
BTW, thanks for posting the link to the Wendell Potter video. I’m currently reading Potter’s Deadly Spin and have requested a book salon, if we can persuade him to do one.
I agree with you in that people need to drop this over-analyzing of the Enabler’s behavior and accept the fact the guy is a complete sham and begin dealing with the reality of this waste of a vote has created.
I propose since every knucklehead out there wants a reality show, how about every politician who runs for public office will have a camera crew follow them around on their day to day doings after their election. This camera crew will be taxpayer funded by the persons who the politician is representing, in other words a “constituency camera”. This camera crew will be un-affiliated to any campaign and will be there to record everyday how our elected representative is doing their job and the official must be mandated to personally conduct a video blog everyday on what they did to push forward the ideas they campaigned on. A blog diary will be maintained for that elected office not for the official.
Sarah Palin has a reality show for doing nothing but how about a political reality show where people are actually being watched so that they will do their jobs. The oligarchs want to create a world of Big Brother on its citizens of the world. I say lets turns the cameras back on these fascist.
True – we have to create some negative consequences. The Salon Hack Thirty is a step in the right direction. This is another topic for a planned diary of mine, tentatively to be entitled “Professional Liars Hard at Work”. We need something like a Snopes for people and organizations, not just for particular stories.
I wonder if the lack of trust was first felt by Obama’s staffers.
As far as people being “sanctimonious” goes — Barack could have the word on a plaque next to his mirror.
It’s like they know the little guy won’t have money to shell out for politics, so screw him and give to the wealthy so they’ll give to Obama.
Social Security is seriously endangered, along with Medicare, Medicaid, and the rest of the shredded net, because the Republicans intend to condition their support for raising the government’s debt ceiling on the Democrats agreement to significant cuts to those programs, if not abolishing them outright.
As Jane noted, Robert Kuttner has predicted that Obama “will announce at the State of the Union that he supports the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan, which includes cuts to Social Security.” I suspect Obama decided to give up his “fierce” opposition to extending the tax cuts for the rich in order to create some legs to support an argument that social security absolutely must be cut to prevent the government from bankruptcy.
Never mind that he was grossly irresponsible in the first place to have agreed to extend the tax cuts for the rich during a depression with extreme unemployment because history has shown that the rich did not create any new jobs with their tax cuts since 2001 and 2003 when they were enacted, and in the second place, he wants to point to the $700 billion cost of the tax cuts for the rich and shout “fire” in a crowded theater to create a perceived need to snuff out social security and the safety net.
I recommend we focus on defeating his plan to get rid of social security with his latest and greatest devious capitulation technique.
But that’s the thing.
They embrace being called liars by “da big eeebil librul meedeeeaaaaa”
And any intelligent person who refutes their paranoid delusions is just an ivory tower intellectual.
They’re the party of dumbasses, by dumbasses for dumbasses who are proud to be dumbasses.
They aren’t playing with a full deck, they aren’t playing with a deck, they’re playing with a deck that they’ve hallucinated.
You are right about all of that. However, I see Obama’s misuse of the people that trusted him bringing out even the simpletons against him. The Repubs will man their stations and make the Dem voters see him for what he is. Unfortunately, they will be planning to stick us with their own elite serving sociopath. Probably a super war monger.
We will be caught unprepared if we wait for this thing to play out and that’s exactly what the Obama camp expects. They will run on the platform of simply not being the Repubs, which in fact both the Dems and Repubs are funded by the same people. There is no reason to vote for either party as they will both continue to pass the same legislation and policies designed to strip middle class right out of existence morphing them into the slave class aka working poor.
When more people are living without health care and more people are watching their quality of life disintegrate they will be ready to vote for a human being that actually cares about his people. They will be ready to take a chance on “anything”. I believe the people will be ready to vote in a goldfish come 2012, but we have to get READY NOW.
It’s time to make President Obama as irrelevant as he has made himself on all issues which actually improve our country. Replace him in 2012. For the next two years concentrate on Congress AND especially what is going on at the Federal Reserve.
Now Jane be nice, Obama may not be a good or competent president but he is our president and it is up to us to pretend that he is qualified to lead us Americans. We know he is in over his head but as long as our media continues to portray his failures as examples of leadership what is a guy supposed to do? Chris Matthews and Charles Krauthammer both believe he is on the path to greatness so he must be ok. PS. Happy Holidays Jane and thx for all you do.
you don’t get how stupid they are.
They think health insurance is bad not because of insane inhuman greed, but because of a lack of free marketz.
If we just freed da marketz da competutuv innuhvaaayshun will fix it!
Across state lines! NOT SOCIALISM OR GOVT PROTECTION!
These people are dumb and dangerous.
You prove them wrong and they just say they were wrong because they didn’t go far enough over the cliff.
We’ll have to cut taxes further, eliminate spending further and remove more regulation.
That’s how these zombies operate.
They’re not stupid, they’re hypnotized by memes. I used to be one of them. But we can at least prevent new people from being hypnotized, and prevent their claims from going unchallenged, so those who aren’t in the grip of their memes aren’t conned as well. And we can motivate those who are currently unmotivated – who mostly agree with us (as shown by polling during the midterms), and who are more numerous than the wingnuts.
OK, so now what do you suggest we DO about the situation? Because the (D) party hierarchy obviously doesn’t care about our voices, they don’t care about our money, they don’t care about our participation and they don’t care about whether or not we vote.
So, what’s the answer? Hell, any answer. Or is it simply enough to encourage progressives to sit around and bitch & moan while the country goes to shite?
If you want to replace Obama, a position I am sympathetic to, we don’t have two years to wait, we’d have to start now. Win or lose, disrupting their comfortable little country-club jamboree of an electoral process is good work and works for the progressive movement.
Unfortunately, the “Serious” people in the progressive movement have pronounced this an “Unserious” solution, so good luck getting traction among the (D) tribalists.
Well since Obama and Wall Street are “one” you can bet your last food stamp that SS’s planned privatization is underway. We must start putting our muscle behind a third party that will work to protect the people and not work to shaft the people for the benefit of the uber rich elite. Obama is not going to be reelected unless the shadow government intentionally puts in someone equally vicious and indifferent to the people of this country or plans to keep him. He has been a golden boy for them, so they may run a villain type to put in their number one guy again.
It is obvious to me that Obama knows the people are easily manipulated and that, in fact, most of the elections are nothing but theater. He has no concern for pleasing those that voted for him. We must start backing someone new NOW. We are already late on this. We need someone to push for now, if for no other reason than to present a real threat to the Obama Wall Street Reign of control and dismantling of the middle class.
If you are a neo-liberal or neo-conservative, then the President would be on the “path to greatness”. Look at the horrible policies we have seen in the past two years for the people of this country while putting the financial interests of a select group of wealthy people first. Former President Clinton was able to put the corporate, neo-liberal agenda into place because most citizens didn’t understand the ramifications of policies such as NAFTA or deregulation of financial institutions. Citizens were really pushed to the limits in our debt economy which provided the “illusion” that “all is well”. Have the majority of people addressed the issues which led to a depression in the past? I would say not seriously since the 1930 – 1940′s.
At times I wonder whether former President Clinton is knowingly giving President Obama bad advice (because of all people, President Clinton DOES understand the implications of the corporate neo-liberal agenda on citizens) as “payback” for Hillary not winning the Democratic primary.
I guess finding a way to vet liberals as liberals not just corporate spies.
The corporate sleeze has gotten good at parroting liberal lines, passing liberal sounding legislation that mollifies the part of the base that agrees with us but doesn’t have much free time but is actually just millionaire friendly garbage.
Exposing fake progressives as just another lieberdem would keep them from moving the ball further right.
Is it possible to shame a lieberdem? Most blue dogs seem like narcissitic asses. The Evan Bayhs get on their high horses about bi partisanship, so maybe a national shaming could whip them into line.
Instead of saying blue dogs are necessary and legitimizing them, we make the blue dogs move left.
No, Al Franken
Ahhhh my mistake :P
Maybe he ate the freedom fries.
He’s such a blatant shill that it’s a miracle he hasn’t been publicly handed a bonus check.
Yes, the people who have their health care etc are comfortable and also all those brain dead living on SS voting for the Tea partiers.
I worked for ten years teaching disabled adults to read. It is my opinion that these people and people like them will be best persuaded by simple concrete messages repeated over and over. Of course, the Repubs are famous for this. Once SS is attacked and food stamps are parred back, etc., these people will be easily turned into a mighty force. These programs are the life line to vulnerable people. These are the exact people that are being targeted for disposal aka herd thinning.
Of course, those in power know this and they will just put this all in place after they get Obama into a lame duck presidency and then blame it all on the Dems, and then trick these people into electing a Repub who will continue their operations without missing a beat.
The Dems and the Repubs are now funded by corporations and the White house is run by Goldman Sachs. If the Dems lose, the white house will continue to be run by Goldman sachs either way. Americans must reject both the Dems and the Repubs because their is no discernible difference between them any more. The “curtain” no longer covers this fact.
The only wins for the people are nothing but easily unraveled ruses perpetuated by both parties serving one master. Americans must march, starting now, for a third party. We need Leo Gerard or someone we can trust to work for us. And we must be absolutely certain our candidate will not sell us out.
I am a liberal, I cannot stand this poor excuse for a “leader”…YES, I do want to see President Palin. It is what this majority of American idiots deserve. Plus, it will be entertaining. She will go up to the Hill, with her set of balls and when she tells her “boys” to jump, they will say “how high?” At least we will have a leader.
Exactly – that’s what I’m writing about in “Three-candidate monte and due diligence”. The “due diligence” is the “vetting” part.
Stay tuned.
Yes, Jane H has the platform to start a campaign for a new candidate. i hope she will do this. I don’t know of anyone seriously wanting to run, but we must start now. I’ve looked at the Green party site and didn’t see anything but they must know that this next election is their best shot. Many people are chomping at the bit to vote against anything being funded by citizen united / fascist control.
Obama is a winner because he passes ineffective legislation like that financial reform bill.
You are sanctimonious because you won’t “take what you can get” (crappy legislation that gives the Republicans what they want) when there is a Democrat in the White House with larger congressional majorities than George W. Bush ever had when he got every damned thing he wanted with little to no compromise.
It’s Democrats’ fault for not electing a guy as smart and as effective as Bush.
SP will not win because she won’t be backed by the shadow government that she hos herself out to. She is nothing but an “easy girl” that the wealthy are having their way with but their will be no wedding. She is not a controllable puppet, while she is a right wing nut job that cares nothing for the unwashed masses, which is prerequisite number one, she is a wild card and really thinks she knows best. That’s what I think.
If she does run, it will be to place Obama back in. They will run her, sick their lap dog, the MSM, on her and put back their uber servant, Obama. Same goes for Newt.
Former Vice President Al Gore was also very much a corporate DLC “centrist”. The problem is that we haven’t had an even remotely “progressive” President in over 30 years and therefore the policies continually catered to the wealthiest among us. The only way a democracy can sustain itself is if there is a true give and take between the “liberal” and “conservative” agenda. It speaks volumes that so many people listened to at least parts of the 8 1/2 hours of Senator Bernie Sanders speech. “We the people” aren’t used to hearing the “truth” from the White House, politicians or the media. This “centrist” to “conservative” policy making without any real effort on the part of politicians who call themselves “progressive” will just be another cog in the wheel of bringing down our country.
Given the craveness of Obama and the threat he presents it would be suicidal to allow him to continue to decimate the middle class under the assinine notion that curbing deficits require dismantling Social Security.
It would be just as inconceivable that the American public should countenenace this possibility. If the public does not mobilize to prevent Obama from destroying the benefits people have worked all their life to accumulate then the American public is as docile and weak as people in government assume.
If this possibility is in the works then people should be prepared as of now to demonstrate and throw Obama out of office as soon as possible even proceeding with impeachment. This bastard has shown himself incapable of wielding the levers of power.
Former President Ronald Reagan increased the Payroll tax with the justification that the “baby boomer” generation would be so large that the additional funds would be needed for them. So, to cut any funding of Social Security which affects this generation is truly a double whammy when the funds are actually there (unless the government defaults on U.S. Treasury Bonds). Social Security was always supposed to be a stand alone fund. Which is why a 2% payroll tax decrease at a time when you are talking about a future shortage in the actual trust fund made absolutely no sense to me other than to undermine that fund.
The Social Security Trust funds have been used for decades now to make it appear that our actual federal deficit is lower than it is. But, that is not a Social Security issue, that is a general budget and spending issue put forth by the White House and Congress. Since, Social Security was specifically set up as a separate fund on purpose so that it couldn’t be “raided” in the future, to talk about any need to cut its funding solely based upon the general budget and federal deficit is completely disingenuous and misleading.
I’m proposing a new role for the Greens; this came from me, not them. Check out my recent diaries (only one so far), and also those of TheMalcontent, especially his “A line too bright to ignore” and my comments on that diary.
About the three card monte, there’s also the ones that act like progressives, vote like progressives then shaft us on something massively important.
Some vote progressive 90% of the time, then dick us over…how can we hit people like that? The usual argument is we gave you all the small things not this big hippy dippy magical holy grail so be satisfied with the small wins.
Like what do we do if someone pulls a Kucinich? If a lib Kuciniches on something important then does the “my arm was twisted,” apology, do we split the vote? Ignore it? Letter writing doesn’t mean much nowadays.
Sorry just curious of your opinion.
Of equal significance, budget dificits can be managed by growing the economy and further as krugman repeats time and again the deficit the US is carrying is not presently creating high borrowing interest rates and is very manageable.
Before cuts in SS are even contemplated tax increases in capital gains, in untaxed corporations and ending subsidies to companies are much more targets than is SS.
I think we have to do intensive research on individual candidates before we invest in supporting them, and, if possible, before any candidate has achieved traction in the race under consideration. I’m thinking about something like the “opposition research” that campaigns do in order to discredit opposing candidates, where they go over everything the candidate has ever said or done. Only here we wouldn’t be looking for negative (or positive) sound bites to sway public opinion; we would be trying to make a highly informed decision as to whether this is someone we can trust.
Parties make nominations, and broad popular movements sway voters, but individuals hold public offices. We’ve neglected the biographical aspect. We need to let the decision as to who we can trust drive the electoral process – not the other way around, which leads to Obama-style fiascoes. If possible, we should actually get professional biographers involved.
Not a problem at all. In fact, you’re helping me to get my diary on this topic written – I have it open in another browser tab. For some reason, even when I’ve picked a topic, I find it a hundred times easier to write when I’m answering someone else than when I’m staring at a page that I alone have written!
Many of those would be easy to spot when doing due diligence: they’re the “liberals” (like Chuck Schumer, Sen. D-NY) that are wholly owned subsidiaries of the financial industry. Their pro-business voting record would light up like a Christmas tree.
The staff is not the problem; he can clean house or not–the president is doing what he wants to do. He is a Republican in everything but name. He lied over and over again in the campaign. He has not pursued a progressive or even traditionally Democratic agenda; his policies and outlook are clearly right wing and deeply contemptuous of liberal alternatives. I was as fooled as anyone, but it’s time to acknowledge the situation refuse to support either wing of the single corporate party.
Triangulation Strangulation…and Obama is caught with his head in his own noose.
“Now, I happen to think Obama wants this tax cut deal, has wanted it all along. He just didn’t want to take the political heat for it. He put off dealing with an extension of middle class tax cuts until the end of the year while trying to kill a compromise behind closed doors.”
The proof that Obama wanted this tax cut deal, and wanted it all along, can be found in the Simpson-Bowles Deficit Reduction Commission. Established earlier this year by Obama, and after being unable to reach consensus recently, the commission heads, Simpson and Bowles, offered their own plan for reducing the deficit over the next ten years, one involving cutting $3 to $4 trillion out of the federal budget, slashing programs, slashing services.
Strange. The Obama-GOP Bush era tax cut extension “compromise,” if just the tax breaks were continued as is and before the add-ons, amounted to $3 to $4 trillion in lost federal revenue over the next ten years.
This indicates that Obama, and his crack team of “revolving door” economic advisers, had worked out a deal earlier this year with Republicans in the minority on Capitol Hill, long before this rush to get it done, long before the conservatives in the Obama administration (in cahoots with Republicans) added the inheritance tax giveaway, Social Security-destroying payroll tax reduction, and such. Or maybe these “add-ons” were discussed many months earlier, with the plan being to “rush” this legislation at the end of the year, with the goal being to make it appear that Obama grudgingly gave into Republican hostage-taking (again) and just had to sign this budget-busting deficit-exploding tax deal?
I opt for the latter, agreeing with your assessment. Obama planned all this, along with the Republicans, maybe even going back long before the Simpson-Bowles Commission was even contemplated. But he had help on the Democratic Party side: Sen. Reid in the Senate and House Speaker Pelosi. Otherwise, tax cuts for the middle class would have been the first order of business of the Obama administration and Democratic Party leaders in early 2009. It wasn’t. They waited until this year, until after the Simpson-Bowles Commission was created and a right-leaning preliminary “report” was issued, before Democratic Party leadership finally got “serious” about addressing the budget-busting deficit-exploding Bush era tax cuts. All to give the impression that Obama was “pressured” into signing it, and Democratic Party leaders had to cave-in, too. You know, they just had to.
And now Obama is getting “serious” about deficit-reduction, with freezing federal pay just being the first step, even after he, Democratic Party leaders, and Republicans, just blew a $5 to $6 trillion (with add-ons) hole in the side of Fort Knox, the federal treasury, over the next ten years. Talk about transparency in government; these Grover Norquist-schooled Ronald Reagan-praising people are out to shrink our government to the point it can be drowned in a bath tub.
Of course, what they’re doing on the federal level is being mirrored on state and local levels by like-minded similarly-motivated in-lockstep conservatives. What could possibly go wrong?
We need Grayson to primary Obama.
Let’s face it; the odds of anyone beating a sitting president in the party primary is negligible, but only someone willing to be an obnoxious loudmouth can get our agenda out there and defend it against the universal scorn of the MSM.
I would support a third party run by Alan Grayson also. I sure as hell will not again vote for Obama.
I am a Democrat – as were FDR, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. The DLC Democratic party of Carter, Clinton and Obama doesn’t represent me and has forced me out of the party.
That’s why I suggest Grayson. He can take the slings and arrows and send ‘em back. Running for Prez would give him the national ear.
Given the mood of the nation, he could really ignite a national movement.
Nobody is speaking for the homeless, the unemployed and underemployed, poor women with children (the majority of welfare recipients are in that category), food stamp recipients (and the millions that legally qualify but can’t wade through the red tape), people who have run out of unemployment benefits and can’t find work (who’s gonna hire a 58 year old worker in this market, regardless of the law?) – or the many other categories of the poor – and Obama just raised their taxes.
If I had been previously satisfied with this administration, raising taxes on people earning 20 – 40k a year – plus state, federal and municipal workers who don’t pay the SS tax because they pay into other systems – while cutting fatcat taxes, would be enough to preclude me ever voting for this bastard for dogcatcher. And he gets all the blame from me for the inevitable clash and cuts when the debt ceiling is in the hands of the Republicans, because a) it is clearly foreseeable and b) the Rethugs have already promised to use that vote as a hatchet, to chop up programs they don’t like.
Not that I believe anybody in the WH is ignorant of that reality, but that is the only available excuse for what happens next. Problem is, pretending that you thought the Rethugs would play nice brands you as far to stupid to be entrusted with a burger-flipper’s spatula, much less the Oval Office.
Raising taxes on those most likely to spend a cut and calling that stimulus is not something a Democrat would do. Obama is not a Democrat, whatever he calls himself. He is a fascist fucking pig.
How much did you cut your taxes, Mr. Obama, while poor kids nationwide will get zippo for Christmas? Asshole.
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Jane-Can you give us any clues as to who the noteworthy individuals are that will be joining the ever-increasing ranks of the sanctimonious?
We have to realize that when the opposition is using tough tactics the best course of action is to whine to our supporters about how difficult things are, then give up without a fight.
At age 50 being dumb enough to still play competitive sports it makes me feel so much better to cry to the referee then quit whenever an opposing player runs my goalie or takes a shot at our best players. Trust me that’s not the way things go down because it only encourages more of the same. Did this president really play sports, ever? If so, it’s clear his playing days are over because he can’t even stand up for himself in the non-contact world of politics!
“It’s a pattern: Big promises. Failure. Blame-shifting. Victim card.”
He undoubtedly picked this up, the petulance and the pattern, in liberal academia. Because it works there.
“You can’t be president and a victim at the same time.”
But this is exactly what American liberals have been dishing up. A big argument in FAVOR of voting for Democrats and for Obama in 2008 was apparently that they/he were being victimized by the Republicans.
This is the only way that the daily accusations of racism in the swing states in the liberal elite press makes ANY kind of sense as a electoral strategy. Usually, you wouldn’t expect to project negative characteristics onto the people whose votes you wish to win, ie., effectively guilt tripping them into agreeing with you. But this happens in liberal academia all the time. It’s ubiquitous.
The D-Party apparatchiks, like liberal academia, wants the public to quail before “victims.” Apparently this singularly parochial logic doesn’t extend to China and Korea.
It doesn’t even extend as far as the general public and certainly not to Republicans, who run roughshod right over it while selling themselves–successfully– on their strong-arm tactics.
Now this very same victimization narrative has become an excuse for failure–or a convenient rationalization for why the D-Party had to do what they really want to do anyway.
Of course Obama is petulant. He’s been marinating, completely unchallenged, in this dysfunctional culture for most of his life–and without, interestingly enough, absorbing any of the values that motivated it–maladaptive though it may be (and it is).