The House Democratic caucus is truly pathetic. They are, in fact, so pathetic that I’ve been forced to use a thesaurus to find new ways of describing their pathetic behavior: weak, impotent, pitiful, feeble and toothless. Last night, they again folded completely and passed the Senate’s version of the Obama-McConnell tax deal–as is–even though only a week earlier the House Democratic caucus voted to reject the deal.
This tax deal can be added to the list of legislation, including the stimulus package, financial reform, health care, and countless smaller bills, in which the House Democrats essentially just rubber-stamped whatever came from the Senate.
Their feckless behavior has resulted in their influence being so minor that if we had disbanded the House of Representatives entirely at the beginning of Obama’s term, making the Senate an official unicameral legislature, I doubt the resulting legislation of the past two years would be much different.
I know some have been impressed with Nancy Pelosi’s tenure as Speaker because of the volume and quality of legislation she has passed the House, but I’m not. The job of the Speaker isn’t just to pass “show bills” in the House ,only to see them die a predictable death in the Senate. The job of Speaker is to make sure the legislation the House wants becomes law. On that front, Pelosi and the rest of the House Democratic caucus failed.
Not standing up for the constitutional rights of the institution and demanding the Senate change so as to treat the House as a proper co-equal was a serious dereliction of duty. Failing to do this, time and time again over the past two years, has allowed the chamber become the vestigial organ in our body politic, almost completely without function. The Senate stole all of the House’s power, and the House Democrats didn’t even put up a fight. The rumblings in the House–the fake protest followed by immediate surrender–have made it a joke with the media.
The House under Democratic rule has become about as important as a high school student council, and while Pelosi might have been impressive in how well she controlled that meaningless student council, it is moot given the original sin of allowing the House to become the Senate’s doormat. Being the lead actor in the kabuki play doesn’t change the fact that it is an empty sideshow.
I take no joy in the Republicans taking control and John Boehner becoming Speaker. I oppose almost everything they stand for, but at least they seem intent on reclaiming the rightful powers and influence of the people’s chamber. They actually seem to want to do the job for which they were elected (or want to perceive they were elected), which is more than I can say for the House Democratic caucus after the last two years.




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WOW!!!Jon Walker could have not said it better.
Nancy Peolsi is a complete JOKE!!! Passing Bills that get killed in the SENATE does not make one a HERO, it makes you a complete ZERO! (Nancy gets kicked around by the Senate, and buys Harry dinner)
In 2012 House Dems are going to run on the fact they have done nothing! :) and expect Progressive to support them.
I am going to tell my House member, I plan on doing what you done the last 3 years during your campaign. NOTHING!!!
Pissed, despondent, enraged–I’m using my thesaurus on a different word.
However, I am pleased to see that my entire Congressional delegation (the Dems anyway) went 6-6 in opposing the deal. I was a little surprised by Wyden, more so by Schrader as a self admitted Blue Dog–maybe because he has to come back to the chamber next year while many of his clubmates don’t.
So Earl Blumenauer, Peter DeFazio, Kurt Schrader, David Wu, Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden, thank you. You haven’t lost your minds and are willing to buck your party’s leadership when they go so far off the rails.
The rest of the 139 and 85–really, just blow me, you soulless hacks.
And it’s the minority party that has ruled the Senate for the last four years, and especially the last two.
I don’t get it. Kucinich voted for this.
I also don’t get that Ron Paul voted for it. I understand him being for the tax cuts, but what happened to his opposition towards government intervention?
What’s the next big disappointment? Despite promises the Dems will not do any kind of filibuster reform on Twelfth Night.
I really like this piece. It challenges the CW on Nancy Pelosi very convincingly.
The Democrats no longer represent progressives. I see no reason to vote for any Democrat. I just wish there was somewhere to go. Primary challeng within the party is useless since Dems no longer represent anyone
Kucinich has been all over the place on tax cuts. In 1998 he actually sponsored a bill to spend the “surplus” on a tax cut for dividends, the SAVE act. This is similar to what the Bush 2003 tax cut did.
http://kucinich.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1556
What’s really surprising is that there is a clip of him bashing the same tax cut he voted for on the front page of his website kucinich.us It definitely makes him look like a dork.
Amen. Good post Jon. Thank you
I know!! Last night I happened to watch a bit of RM, and RM was slavering with praise for Nancita and how she got all these bills passed. So EFFEN WHAT?? Pelosi most likely knew they’d be kicked out of the
House of LordsSenate. It’s all part of the ongoing Kabuki Show.Gimme a break. The system is broken & rigged. Kucinich is NOT our friend anymore (more’s the pity). They have, one & all, caved & sold out to the MOTU.
C’mon, Jon. With this pathetic Senate and POS in the WH???
Love the photo on the front page. BTW Schwanz doesn’t mean “noodle;” I’ll leave it up to everyone’s imagination to figure out the real meaning. I haven’t thought about that terminology since I lived in Bavaria… har de har.
Wow, I didn’t know Kucinich voted for the deal. He didn’t even get the ride on Air Force One this time.
Well, there were some who voted against it. DeFazio and the others in the House put up a good fight, but many others caved to pressure. I was happily surprised to see that Carl Levin in the Senate voted against it. He’s very well-respected and not all that liberal, as far as I know.
What the fuck is she supposed to do???
his noodly appendage – wot?
The problem is that the Dems no longer represent anyone except themselves. Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe their back-stabbing ways. I’m done with them.
Trashing Pelosi really pisses me off. I think it’s fucking juvenile. And misogynistic.
Sorry. I get that you don’t like that, and I hear you (reallY). I get frustrated with the whole system, and I do feel Pelosi’s as much a part of it as everyone else. To me, it’s just ongoing Kabuki show. But that’s my opinion.
PS most don’t see me a misoygnistic. I feel that I’m treating her equally to anyone else in that postion, but I can see why you might see it that way.
I like Pelosi ’cause she uses the gallagher hammer. some quality imagery that is.
heh…
Excellent Article Jon!
Under Pelosi, the House has become a rubber stamp for whatever the President or the party wants. The members are neutered. Even on the Tax vote yesterday, Pelosi structured it so that if the modification of the estate tax passed, the rest of that POS passed, including destructive SS time bomb. Kucinch is useless.
I repeat: what the fuck is she supposed to do? With the Senate full of cowards and the WH bought and paid for by the PTB???
I read that photo caption and was like …no way…I’ve got a good friend in Vienna who would dispute that translation…
Does ANYONE doubt that Pelosi with FDR in the WH would have given us EXACTLY what we wanted?
yep, I got it. Democrats are right-wing capitulators and Republicans are Eeeeeviiilllll. Check. Roger. I got that narrative’s plot down pat.
Now, what do you propose to do about it? Do you have any solutions to offer? If so, please hold forth. Because sitting around complaining about how political actors are fulfilling their role in the media narrative isn’t getting anything done to fix this country; It’s only contributing to its downfall.
And it’s starting to make the progressive movement look like the joke the Obama administration regards it as.
Why doesn’t she use her power as Speaker to not bring horrible bills like this to the floor? she could play hardball with senate and refuse to bring any of their bills to the floor unless they pass some of the House’s.
not holding her accountable is pretty close to giving Obama a pass too because hey, he’s not in the senate either.
And I love women very much.
She could, for example, have sent forward a health-care bill with the public option in it, making those senators who allegedly went back on their public statements stand up and get counted. (Now all we have is the word of Reid that there weren’t enough votes.)
That’s ridiculous. This has nothing to do with Pelosi’s vagina. Critisizing Obama is not racist either. BTW.
Pelosi shouldn’t be making her house members fight her to get their ammendments voted on and added to a bill.
IMHO, Pelosi did everything she could do give us what we want. I have NO doubt that, if she were President, we would have achieved most of what we wanted.
How could ANYONE — as Speaker — work with this deplorable piece of garbage in the WH? Not to mention, the traitors in the Senate.
This.
She had options and she made bad choices which result in further sufferering and hardship for majority of the people.
She was doing Barry’s bidding, for christ’s sake.
Bullshit.
I hear you but the Congress is supposed to ”advise and consent.” Not just consent.
So basically she is powerless? she can only achieve things when those with actual power have the same ideas and beliefs . That doesn’t seem at all like what a leader should be, IMO.
And all of them-all of them, Pelosi, Kerry the rest brave stalwarts with great speeches and imaginary lines in the sand in their mind will go down in the dustbin of history as, absolute nothings.
Or as Obama call’s it compromising to make us great.
We are one terrorist attack away-still-I said this during the Bush years as becoming a full on fascist one party state.
Thanks, Pelosi, Reed, Obama and Kerry. Thanks for never ever fighting for anything.
In the foxhole, who would you want with you? Barry? Harry? Chuck? Steny? Or Pelosi? I know who I would want.
Read the fucking Constitution. Just kidding, kind of.
How about “Feckless”? From the Irish-American contraction of ‘effectless’, though in the current common use, connoting a certain deliberate incompetence hiding an ulterior motive. Just consider me your personal thesaurus.
Nancy.
How so? this latest bill does nothing but enslave our children and grandchildren to debt. Debt that this country will pay off by killing programs that are necessary to havea decent quality of life. Programs that are there to protect people from living on the street. And allowing those less fortunate to actually live with some sense of dignity.
What can Speaker Pelosi do?
Why, what every Republican Speaker of the House does: namely, allow no bill anywhere near the floor for a vote unless the majority party caucus alone can pass it. Why give the political opposition — if one can use that word in connection with invertebrate Democrats — as much as a crumb of influence over anything?
If the House of Lords wants something, they can guarantee in advance that the House gets what it wants first; otherwise — as the jaded Vietnamese bar girls used to taunt the broke and hard-up G.I.s on Saigon’s Tu Do Street: “No money, no honey!”
That a woman Speaker of the House could not grasp the Power of the Purse goes beyond ironic into the realm of the ludicrous.
Me too. She has more balls than all of them. And she is proud not to have any.
@ ontigoes
What’s “MOTE” stand for? Just curious; I might want to use it; (right now, I call it the “corporate plutocracy”).
Being in fox hole with any of them and they would fight over who gets to surrender first.
And Nancy is to fucking blame for that?
It would wipe those smirks off their sorry faces, if Ralph Nader and/or Bernie Sanders announced that they were considering a third-party run in 2012. Suddenly progressives would no longer be “jokes” but rather a very real threat.
that Pelosi chick has some serious ovaries.
Sounds like a spin on the “we suck less” argument.
If those are my choices then please let me be alone. Wouldn’t want to be around when they stab me in the back just to save their own behinds.
I agree that she was doing his bidding on that one, just as she did when she rammed the FISA Amendments Act through the House in less than 24 hours. That said, she could have refused.
MOTU = Masters of the Universe. Corporate plutocracy is another way of saying it.
Yes. She chose to bring that bill to thefloor. It was her decision. She owns it.
People keep telling me that, which is probably a good thing, because there is no way anyone could discover that for themselves.
Que Huevos.
I’m not saying she is evil. I’m saying she is a bad leader and makes poor decisions.
Frankly, I’m still quite pissed off at Pelosi for the whole “impeachment is off the table.” IMO, Pelosi is part of the whole rigged system.
Like *some* of the pols, *sometimes* she does alright, but for me these days, that’s quite simple not enough. And her gender has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel. I would be equally pissed off if she was a male.
Look, everything in life is on a “suck” continuum. No one is at the “absolutely doesn’t suck” end of the continuum. There are some who are at the “completely suck” end of the continuum. Barry is extremely close to that end of the continuum.
Nancy, IMHO, is close to the other end. Your mileage may vary.
fair enough – that ‘off the table’ crap was a bad omen, will give you that.
Agree. And why praise Pelosi for doing Obama’s “bidding.” I haven’t seen much that Obama has requested that’s been anything worthwhile for most of the citizens in this country.
Pelosi, like almost all of these fed pols, is quite wealthy, and she stands by her class most of the time. I don’t agree with that; I don’t think Pelosi is representing most of her constituents at all adequately.
I can certainly agree with that.
And herein lies the problem. This is not democracy, this is the unitary executive principle.
We have three equal branches which are supposed to check each others power, not become subservient to another. The house is supposed to represent the people. Democratic rule is dead.
Nancy owns it? Please, you’re painting with far too broad of a brush. BARRY.OWNS.IT.
More than a bad omen… it highlights how broken the system is. There are no consequences anymore for criminal behavior. And now they’re all outdoing one another to engage in any kind of criminal behavior that they can. I cannot forgive or forget that. It was an a complete give-away to the PTB that “anything goes.” And as we’ve witnessed: anything has “gone on.”
Quite agree with you on that one.
I agree. But I think you’re painting with too fine of a brush. It doesn’t get passed without her.
Have to disagree with you there. Obama does own it, but so does Pelosi. It appears to me that you’ve just been stating how powerful Pelosi. Can’t have it both ways, imo.
As Speaker of the House, for example, she could’ve prevented this just passed POS tax bill from ever coming to the floor.
You know, like the caucus claimed they wanted her to.
Put yourself in Pelosi’s position. Barry — chicken shit that he is — is calling around saying that his Presidency depends on the bill passing. And EVERYONE knows it WILL pass — given all the other chicken-shit mother-fucking Ds who will vote for it.
I repeat: what the fuck is she supposed to do???
From the time Obama was sworn in the country has been moving further and further to the right. With Republicans set to control the House and the Democrats in the Senate either spineless or in collusion with the plutocracy and now that Obama has shown his stripes the country will lurch even further to the right. It’s been a slow motion coup.
Exactly…
Oh, and when she CHOSE to not carry out her constitutional duties by NOT impeaching a President that commits crimes, well, that was her CHOICE. We get to hold people accountable for their CHOICES.
You’ve really been on a roll today, and once again, I salute you for being right on target. Slow motion coup, indeed. And Pelosi is just one more cog in the machine effecting the coup.
And ruined Barry’s presidency? C’mon, OFG. She’s more loyal than that.
What you said, and totally my point. When you pick up a stick, you pick up both ends of it. Pelosi’s involved a lot of bad juju. I choose to call her on her stuff. She’s part of the wealthy class and has stuck by her class most of the time, to the detriment not just of the citizens but of our nation as a whole.
If you’re suggesting loyalty to Barack Obama is a good thing, then you’ve lost me already.
Has this turned into snark, or are you serious? Hard to tell…
If she doesn’t believe he is moving the country in the right direction or agree with his policy decisions then why shouldn’t she?
She’s of the plutocracy and the entire plutocracy of the U.S. is deserving of the fate of the French plutocracy circa 1796. It’s time to put away childish notions of “reforming” a corrupt and broken system that no longer serves the needs of a majority of the people and begin talking of a complete break from the past. All one has to do is read the Declaration of Independence for a possible remedy.
Not that it matters to anyone, but I am really, really disappointed in my fellow FDL commenters here. This is not Pelosi’s fault. The trashing of Pelosi is VERY discouraging to me.
I have found it very difficult to comment for the last few days — given how events have unfolded. I think this trashing of Pelosi is VERY discouraging. I think I’ll drop out for a while.
Yes, we are of two minds in this case. The plutocracy has corrupted our system of govt to the point where it is broken.
At this stage, it’s like we’re beggars groveling over crumbs and bones being tossed to us randomly and irregularly. Why should I praise some vaunted, super wealthy politician, who occassionally does what’s right???
Our “elected representatives” are in gov’t to represenet the majority, not the wealthy 3% solely. Attempting to bend onself into a pretzel to find some “good” in a politician is mostly a venal money-grubbing crook is fooling yourself.
Our Democracy and constitution has been flushed down the toilet by all of our politicians starting with Obama on down, and that includes Pelosi. She is just as culpable, just as morally responsible, as any of the rest of them.
Maybe it’s the slow realization that she’s just not that into you that has you in a funk? I hope you don’t leave for good. I seriously do enjoy reading your posts.
Perhaps taking a break is for the best. I say that with all good intentions. With respect, I suggest you consider what’s been said tonight. I think others really paid attention to what you wrote, but we happen to disagree. Up to you but hope you’ll come back later.
“Aug 20, 2008 … Nancy Pelosi reported that the couple’s total assets at the end of 2007 totaled somewhere between $35.5 million and $156.2 million”
There is no possible way such a person could serve as an effective Speaker of the House.
You’re right on the money. I don’t think we’re going to have to wait long for the system to implode by itself.
Look at this: The Wall Street Pentagon Papers: Biggest Scam In World History Exposed: Are The Federal Reserve’s Crimes Too Big To Comprehend? $12.3 Trillion in back door bailouts. They are going to try to saddle us with this debt.
The entire thing is discouraging. We all know what the Rs will do every time. I expect nothing of them. I do expect the Dems to have the spine to stand up and say “this is wrong.” I wonder if Nancy has ever told Obama that he is heading in a direction that could be ruinous to his re-election. He appears to be clueless. Does anyone tell him the truth? Nancy as Speaker is in a position to do so. Of course, he is the prez but he still is just a man – not some sort of god. I’d like about 15 minutes of his time.
i still like the gallagher hammer…but wow, some serious robspierre style circular firing squad going down. chris hedges is probably right, the system is totally effed and there’s no way to work inside the system to reform it. Nancy is sadly one of the better legislators around today, and admittedly, that’s not saying alot.
but not impeaching cheney/bush is truly an unforgiveable sin. can’t avoid that conclusion. we’re screwed until we all stand up together.
Sorry to hear that. Always like to see your fonts.
FWIW, at least for me, it sure wasn’t meant to upset you personally.
IMO Pelosi, like Obama, is part of one big kabuki show that the Democrats in Washington are attempting to pull on us.
If you disagree, that’s OK. I still respect where you’re at on the issues.
It’s too bad we generate such bad feelings over the ways we think best to implement those procedures when we generally agree so much on the issues themselves. But I certainly understand it. I could be 100% wrong about Pelosi. I just can’t change my mind on that yet unless and until I see some better evidence.
Sure hope you change your mind though. Whatever you decide, have a great holiday season and please STAY SAFE.
fuck that, she sucks. And how is any of what he wrote misogynistic
United we stand, divided we fall.
Oh Twain, you sound like you’ve got Stockholm Syndrome. Pelosi is in league with Obama and they both know exactly what they are doing. Pelosi has the power to change the direction herself. The bills are written behind closed doors at her desk and she uses the velvet glove covering an iron fist to get her congressional members to fall in line. This isn’t any different than captured Union leaders. They’ve switched sides.
Disagreement and critical discussion is what makes us lean left and not stumble right
Yeah, I read that.
IMO that deserves waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy more attention than it’s gotten.
Thanks for posting a link here. Dumbass me didn’t think to do that when I read it.
Thanks for saying I have Stockholm’s syndrome. You don’t know me. I have known Nancy, not well, but for many years. She has always been a liberal until Obama came on the scene. She was and is extremely popular in SF. I hate the things she has allowed to happen and I make no excuses for her. Everyone seems to get weak in the knees over Obama. I can’t stand him. I voted for him but would like to see him out. Don’t make such quick judgements about people here – I don’t appreciate it and I think you didn’t read my comment well.
The public went from being “citizens” to “consumers.” Now the public is nothing more than suckers.
It’s scary and I think the premise is correct. It’s too big and awful to even contemplate what it really means for us and this country… but after seeing that and knowing that Obama is in league with them it all becomes so much clearer, and it literally sickens me.
Thanks for that link.
Now I understand why Senator Sanders was really angry in more ways than one last Friday.
So, Pelosi was supposed to do something about the total dysfunctional Senate. Not possible for her or anyone. Not much to agree with on this article.
Jon Walker,
An excellent post, and you’re to be commended for making a much larger point with respect to Democratic politics.
However, I will rise up and defend Nancy Pelosi, if permitted.
By way of background, I come from Arizona and I have considerable expertise in the political warfare of the Democratic Party, both locally and nationally. To wit, my historical view is that “demographics is destiny” given that my moniker is “Native American/Chicano/Military Veteran”. Thus, my construct or the Native American/Chicano Construct will become the “majority of the majority” in an approximate two generations or in forty years. Consequently, my Construct will be inheriting a nation that is financially destitute and for having been abjectly and morally corrupt. Therefore, “backing up” from this “destiny” I can easily observe why Progressives are angry and many are advocating for the establishment of a presupposed effective Third Party. To wit, I am opposed to a third party, and as to the anger, I have to agree with this anger, but the ‘target’ of my anger is not of or for Nancy Pelosi.
To wit, Pelosi has only one vote and she effectively represents her constituency, and more so, since she keeps getting reelected. As to her leadership skill set relative to being the House Speaker, she holds this title at the behest of the Democratic Caucus. Thusly, the target of any anger should be at the Democratic Caucus, writ large, and as well as the White House.
It’s far easier to criticize Pelosi, and yet the majority of the Democratic Caucus, and in their overall and convuluted decision-making, makes Pelosi “job” even more difficult to accomplish and even when done successfully.
Take, for example, the Caucus took the decision on universal health care to jettison the “public option” just as did the White House. Unfortunately, for Progressives, the code talk that was pandemic to the “public option” failed because it had no gravitas. Had the Progressive utilized what my Construct was advocating and which was “open access” to the VA, Medicare and the Indian Health Services and from the standpoint of “medical care delivered”, would have had more salience for acceptability, and would have prevented the Democratic Caucus and the White House from jettisioning “open access”. Consequently, my Construct feels we lost the political battle for “open access” given that the “public option” was an irrelevant waste of time for any advocacy effort. Hell, even Conyers, con/scammed the Progressives. He knew better and yet, he said nothing.
Now, I could go on and on with this litany of examples, but ‘targeting’ Pelosi, has no serious merit, at least from my perspective.
And in closing, permit me to suggest another recent experience relative to the ‘insider’ behavior among the Democratic Caucus. Just yesterday, Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez was up for becoming the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee. In her effort, she raised considerable dollars for the DCCC, and well as she had the appropriate years of seniority of an optimum consideration. Yet, she won two voting rounds in the Caucus, and lost on the third round. Why? All because, the new Republican Chair of this vital committee, and extremely important to those us and who are military vets and aligned with the Democrats, is from California. Sanchez is from California too. Consequently, the Caucus took the decision demonstrate its concern for “geographics” and not “expertise”. And in this regard, there was nothing Pelosi could do with her piddling one vote despite her august title. And unfortunately, too many people are enamored with the title with the usual expectation that “titles” have “power” in the Democratic Caucus. As such, these titles mean diddily squat to anyone in the Demcoratic Caucus. The only gravitas that is viewed as important is the Standing Committee Chair or oa Sub-Committed Chairperson, i.e. Grijalva of Arizona for Public Lands and National Parks. This sub-committee Chair is his power, and misguided as some seem or tend to be, the co-chair of the Progressive Caucus, is secondary to his pollitical actualization.
Now, as to the financial wealth that she raised and which was considerable, the DCCC took her exhaustive efforts, and turned “her” dollars over to the Blue Dogs and done in accordance with the “authority” vested in the Democratic Caucus.
So, when my Native American/Chicano Construct takes “ownership” of both the Democratic Party, as well as the Republican Party, the DCCC will be eliminated and replaced with a management vehicle that operates at a more “egalitarian” level.
Sadly, I have to ask myself on a daily basis, “How much tolerance do I have to exhibit on a daily basis that I find in American politics that borders on criminal stupidity?”
Jaango
I’m sorry if you were offended. I don’t know why you contribute what he’s doing to us as cluelessness. The man was astute enough to get himself elected to the Presidency. He knows what we say about him, he admitted in his speech the other day and he doesn’t give a crap.
All Hail Obama. He decides. Nancy delivers. We may as well dismiss the congress and save the money.
He is politically clueless. Don’t know why but he is. Seems to think he was elected king and can do no wrong.
I think you will find that the power of the house will be restored under Republican leadership. The Republicans are supposed to be in charge and the Democrats are supposed to pretend to oppose them. Who knew that G.W. Bush would destroy the Republican Party? Now that the proper balance is restored the Democrats won’t have to pretend to govern anymore. It’s been a huge embarrassment for them and I’m sure they are glad to have the Republicans back.
Must not be Obama’s fault either. He’s not in the Senate.
you need all three to pass a bill. They are all to blame. The levels of blame vary from bill to bill.
Do you think the Democratic Caucus took Impeachment off the table then?
When we have a Democratic Caucus which does NOT act in the best interests of citizens as shown by the results of numerous bills now, why are you opposed to a third party? Is it due to party loyalty? As for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, forgive me if I misunderstood, but your portrayal makes her appear to be of little consequence and as an inadequate leader within the overall Democratic caucus. Is that what you meant to portray?
As for people here, I can’t speak for others, but personally am well aware that the majority of the Democratic Caucus, along with the President of the United States, has made very poor decisions relative to the majority of citizens. Speaker Pelosi is “the face” of that caucus.
After seeing all the derision Obama(rightfully,imo) has received, mindless adulation for Pelosi seems…odd.
Do nothing is not good enough. You should vote against that congressman/senator or President. I will vote for Sarah but not the person who betrayed us.
I think the best chance of having some control is to join the Republican party. The Democrats are worst than Republicans at this point. I have nothing but disgust for the Democratic party. They’re just plain stupid.
If / when the “tea partiers” brake Social Security you’ll be
working to one measure or another in a casino economy, rather
like Sierra Leone’s alluvial diamond diggers, whose pay is
typically the promise of retaining tiny amounts of whatever chips of
diamond they may or may not find from time to time.
However, based on the Federal Reserve’s and the Bush and Obama Administrations’ handling of the banking fiasco, you’ll in one
manner have it worse than the diggers in Sierra Leone. The
bailout of the largest banks was a case of heads they win, tails
you lose. I haven’t yet thought of an analogy for that in the case
of Sierra Leone.
http://sites.google.com/site/evernewecon
Pelosi is my congresscritter. On local issues, the few times she engages, it is always on behalf of the local elites and conservatives and against the interests of middle of the road liberal and progressive San Franciscans.
We are being played by the Democrats all, there is always SOME missing piece that stands in the way of delivering on campaign promises that got them elected, and once that piece is in put into place by herculean effort, then there is something else that turns up missing.
If the Democrats can’t govern with 59/60 senators, large majorities in the House and the White House, then there really is no hope.
Pelosi could have held fast on any spending in reliably red districts in states with recalcitrant Republican senators. Obama could have made sure that federal dollars stopped flowing to red districts in states with recalcitrant Republican senators. Reid could have…no he couldn’t have.
Point being that the political system offers sufficient choke holds that politicians with the will can find the way–like the Republicans are–to deliver. The rules are changing, have changed and the discourse is no longer one of comity and politeness, rather one of playing dirty, playing rough and playing for keeps.
One side is playing for keeps, the other is not.
shekissesfrogs,
Yes,definitely!
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speakingupnow,
She is not inadequate. As such, she get’s her marching orders from the Democratic Caucus. That is her “responsibility and duty” to put it mildly. And as to my oppostion to a Third Party, Progressives will have not certitude and credability when it comes to a viable political opposition. And if you don’t believe me, question the other members of the “racial and ethnics” in our America.
Now, when the Progressive “demands” that the presumed progressives in the Senate, are in fact, progressives, only then will a Progressive Caucus be established in the Senate. Until then, the Progressive Caucus in the House, will remain knee-capped in political life.
In contrast, Michelle Bachmann of Iconic Criminal Stupidity, took to heart, her pandemic reasons for political life and established a Tea Party Caucus. And she’s a Republican. In a similar vein, the former Republican Congressman from ARizona, and while in Congress established the Native American Caucus. And since there was only “one” member, he “elected” himself as Chairman.
Regardless, when the progressives in the Senate, establish the respective Caucus, the presumed ‘moderates’ will have been stripped of the political camouflage and can no longer ‘play’ Democrats for fools.
Jaango
Or she cldve refused to allow the vote to come to the floor until it met her members approval. She worked her ass off to get this passed. Too bad she and the rest of the democratic leadership didnt fight this hard to get EFCA, or Universal Healthcare.
Pelosi is nothing more than a rubber stamper. A real big talker that caved on everything; ending the wars, the public option, ending torture, up holding the constitution and civil liberties, preventing illegal wire-taping of US citizens, ending Bush tax cuts for billionaires, preventing Obama from claiming he has authority to assassinate US citizens abroad.
Impeachment is off the table!
NP is nothing but a right wing front tool. She has protected the right wing agendia at every important juncture. Only when everything is a done deal or not likely to pass the other house does she throw a few fake punches to play the crowd.
NP is 100 per cent in the corporate class’s pocket. They are her real boss. As Obama is also. Goldman Sachs is running the WH.
Democratic voters should spit every time that phony elite serving kiss ass NP’s name is mentioned
Key point indeed – the Whitehouse got what it wanted – and loyal Nancy did as Obama – the one she supported over Hillary two years ago – asked.
With A different President and Nancy delivers different results – but that is a pointless road to travel.
I do not believe that even a majority of the Dems in the House chose to vote against what Obama demanded. 277-148 with 35 GOP in the 148 means only 113 votes against the end of Social Security and fairness in taxation.
We have little power in the House – and in the Senate we have a 50′s like blue-dog/afraid of 2012 election Dems/GOP coalition coming in that will run things. The Obama years will not be fondly remembered by those on the left – right now I’m focused on local Dem races as the national Party has left me (except Barney Frank is my Congressman and I like him).
NP is your typical office c–t. Remember that kiss ass a-moral self promoter office witch In That movie 9 to 5 with Dolly Pardon , Lilly Tomlin, Jane Fonda . That’s NP and whoever is Prez. It’s all about a great work experience for Nancy. People don’t cross her mind
Liberals just don’t understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAebN9xf2PE
Hard to see the point of joining the GOP – but agree the Dems let us down.
If Nancy was a true progressive she would have taken Obama’s “single payer Medicare for all is the best plan” and ran with it rather play “public option” even after she knew Obama had agreed to kill the public option in return for some ins co contributions and statements of support.
The Democratic Party should resign! Then we can hold special elections and replace all of the them (Sen. Bernie Sanders excepted).
Other way around.
Right on, Jon! Pelosi and the progressive Democrats have been beyond “pathetic.” They all deserve to be primaried.
The only way to get the Democratic Party to begin passing liberal legislation is to tell them not to bother; we no longer care because we are using every drop of our blood, sweat, and tears to build a new party – The Roosevelt Party. see ya!
Losing our support and money will attract their attention; nothing else.
Join the Progressive Party. Let’s take the Vermont chapter national.
http://www.progressiveparty.org/
Who needs our money with Citizens United?
That’s terrific! Then we can use our dollars to fund Roosevelt Party-2012 (RP2012).
They could be a template for a national organization. I think we should also consider the Four Square/ Mafia Wars/ Farmville structure – whatever that is.
I have never participated in these activities; I personally think its a waste of time to grow virtual worlds. However, growing an virtual political party – that turns real in 2012 – I’m in. The FDR/LBJ tenets of social citizenship will be its mission statement.
Make it into an app. I’ll help distribute it
I don’t have the skills but someone who reads FDL should.
The Democratic Party has just voted to destroyed itself. They will never be a major party again. In 2012, a new party will emerge with principles former Democrats will embrace. To those that disagree with right-wing beliefs, the Democratic Party has become irrelevant, except in newsrooms of TV and cable.
What we need is to organize online a 50 state drive. One volunteer in each state and one volunteer in each county in each state to state the ball rolling. The goal: contest every open election in 2012. The mission: secure enough signatures for each candidate running. The financial commitment: $5.00 per month.
American don’t have a clue what they are in for. If you were born after 1932 your entire existence was due in part or totally to the architecture of FDR’s the New Deal. Before the New Deal, bank deposits were not insured. How many conservatives today would be willing to bank at a bank where their money wasn’t insured by the FDIC? Only the handshake of the branch manager?
This is where we are headed back.
It could be like those virtual pets. Virtual Congressmen. You could feed them and train them into screwing over the American people. Be there as they grow into complete assholes
I don’t waste my on those things, so I don’t recognize your references, but I do know there are enough people like you that will embrace a virtual political party if its created and promoted.
I can see the commercials now. ” each Virtual Congressmen starts out as a baby with good intentions. But just like the real thing they grow up to be huge disappointments. Get yours at Walmart today”
Do the math: approximately 55-60 million people vote for the presidential election. About 40% are liberal or progressive or 22-24 million voters. finding 500,00 pissed off liberals to build a virtual political should not be to difficult – with a .99 alp. Have any friends with skills?
As a conservative I do have to marvel at the stupidity of the Democrats. Following Pelosi and Obama has gotten many of them chucked out of office. The Congresscritters watched Obama screw the lot of them by not campaigning for them, for hanging them out to dry. Still, when told to do so they get in line and fall on their swords. Very admirable.
For what?
So conservatives like me can laugh and joke about Obama’s tax cut for the rich! Is that rich or what?
Way too much analysis here. The biggest reason that the Democratic congress has folded like an accordion is because their “leader”, Barack Obama, is a jackass cowardly wimp. It’s pretty damn hard for any Democrat to stand up to the GOP while his own President is ridiculing and insulting him. It’s not the Congress, people, it’s the arrogant clown in the White House who has tossed dozens of live grenades onto his own legislative people.
I agree. Pelosi falsely claimed she wouldn’t bring this to the floor in its *current form.* But she did. And it passed by an overwhelming majority by Democrats alone 139-112.
If all Republicans had gone home for Christmas vacation, the bill still would have passed based on just the Democrats votes.
*Pathetic* understates the case by 100 light years.
Amen.
There was nothing “astute” about running for president in 2008- an actual donkey could have run and won. That’s part of why Obama ran then, because it was the best possible time to run. I don’t find him “astute” at all- I see him as a craven political opportunist.
Okay, I’ll say it for you: She’s evil. Failure to oppose evil is evil.
Refuse to bring it to a vote on the floor. Make the Senate revise the bill and send it to her again.
Simple — if you have guts and it’s really what you want to do.
Ruin Obama’s presidency by holding out for the principles and platforms on which Barry and the Dems ran? Ruin Obama’s presidency by standing up for the millions of unemployed, who have lost or are about to lose their homes, have no medical coverage for themselves or their families? If standing up for them ruins Obama’s presidency then it damn well deserves to be ruined.
Sorry, you’ve got that backwards. As Matt Taibbi wrote not too long ago, “Our elected representatives aren’t there to protect us from the special interests, but to protect the special interests from us.”
Oh, please. Really, fucking puhleeze. Sanders was staging a show, and nothing but a show. If he really wanted to stop the bill he could have objected to the unanimous consent rules that limited debate on the bill. But he didn’t do that, because he’s a gutless faux progressive evil sellout shill.
Roosevelt Party. Like that.
None of those adjectives apply, Jon, because they imply that the democrats in the House want the same things you want. They don’t share your agenda. How long is it going to take for you to accept that they aren’t spineless or pathetic or cowards and that their true function, which they consciously undertand, is to make sure guys like you never see any of their political objectives realized?
I don’t know–it seems like Kucinich has been pretty quiet since Obama went into his district and either twisted his arm or bought him off or whatever–to pass the health care bill.
Maybe he’s given up and said, the hell with it.
Maybe Obama has something on him. Who knows?
Obama keeps these guys in line.
In that sense it probably is good for the Republicans to run things for awhile. At least they can try to be an opposition party. Right now–they fear Obama more than their constituents.
Until that changes– it won’t matter what Obama wants–he’ll get it.
Did we all forget the cow mentality of the voting public who gave the Republicans a huge victory for doing NOTHING???? They broke the Senate. They filibustered every single thing. Their goal was for Obama to fail. Because we are so damn dumb and rewarded them for their obstructionism, they now have control. And all of you are mad at the Dems. This whole damn country is broken.
“The House Democratic caucus is truly pathetic.”
You are truly pathetic. Stop excusing greed, and corruption.
“weak, impotent, pitiful, feeble and toothless”
This is a perfect description of an electorate that enjoys feeling sneeringly superior to elected representatives which have been fleecing them adroitly year after year after year for three bloody decades.
That is not even beginning to talk about that same electorates responsibility for not having stood up to end illegal war, occupation, torture, rendition, detention, assassination.
Wipe that smug expression of your face. You have absolutely nothing to sneer about.
Progressives have to put aside their POTUS fetish and take time to discipline the Blue Dogs. Can we agree that it is open season on Blue Dogs from this point on? There are 25 or so in the House and many in the Senate. While whacking Blue Dogs we have to also examine such sell-outs as Kucinich and Durbin. A Progressive Congress is critical to foil any village idiot the Republicans and MSM choose to elect in 2012.
I once thought this was a blue dog problem, but they’re actually more honest than the rest. My problems are Senators Klobuchar and Franken who pretend to be progressive and then vote like Mitch McConnell. I’m supposed to give them an Oscar for their performance.
First thing is to punish whoever voted for this bill. The third party based on progressive platform is the only solution. Every member has to contribute whatever they can afford every month. If we do not organize ourselves nothing is going to change. Both these parties have been on the auction block since 1980 and they have been slowly bought by the Oligarchs. Our MOTU has completed the sale. So wake up!!!!!
Why are you surprised at this? Democrats exist solely to provide cover for Republicans, and nothing more. Republicans demand things that they never would have gotten in Lyndon Johnson’s, Harry Truman’s or Franklin Roosevelt’s Congress, and today’s Democrats roll over and give it to them without so much as a fight. That’s because the Republicans’ corporate backers long ago bought out both major political parties. Expecting politicians from either of them to do the right thing — ever — is foolishness. Even bernie Sanders’ stunt last weekend was just that: a stunt. It had no substance to it. Sanders should have tried to filibuster even though the chance of getting forty senators to back it was zero. It would have showed the public that at least one politician is on our side. But as always, it’s all bluster and no real action from a supposedly socialist senator. When principle is tossed out the window, self-proclaimed ideals become meaningless.
It’s all for show. They get more money if there are two parties, people fall for it every election. Dumb and Dumber, that our system!
I agree totally, all this outrageous jumping up and down by the house isn’t nothing but a show, I believe the repugs and dems get together and talk about a bill that up for a vote , the repugs say ” now i going to have to say this about you dems, got to please my base, and you can say what ever you need to say about us and put on your show for your base” then they all vote and it past the bill for the corporate america, and they all go and have a drink together.
The bill also defunds Social Security. Personal withholding is lowered from 6.2% to 4.2%. ALso if you attempt to tap into Social Security before your full retirement age to supplement your paycheck, there is a means testing that says if you are still woking, then $1 of your Social Security payment will be taken away for every $2 of earnings you or your spouse makes above $13,700 a year.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=232590,00.html?portlet=7
Except for the words “or your spouse” in your last sentence (which I suspect may be inaccurate), that sentence describes the same policy that was already in place, not something new in this bill.