It is the nature of American politics and our modern media environment that presidents almost always win political standoffs with Congress, especially when their very public stands seem principled and have popular support. This is why it pains me when people pretend that Obama got the best deal he could on the Bush tax rates.
As we saw during the government shutdown in the 1990s, the President almost always wins a showdown with Congress for a few clear reasons related to the nature of our system.
- The President is always the best-known politician in the country. Like him or not, basically everyone knows who he is, which is more than you can say about John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.
- The President can more easily can claim the popular mandate as the only nationally elected official. Roughly 70,000,000 Americans voted for Obama. Just under a million actually voted for McConnell, and Boehner only directly received roughly 140,000 votes.
- Even though the president’s current job approval numbers are hanging in the mid-40s, his job approval numbers are way above the job approval numbers of congressional Republicans.
- The bully pulpit. When the President speaks, people listen. He can get all the major networks to interrupt their programs to cover his special addresses. When he makes statements, they always appear in the news. The president’s ability to speak directly to the people through the media simply isn’t matched by any Congressional leader.
What this all means is that if the president issues a public veto threat in order to keep a major promise, that has popular support, the President is almost always going to win in the end.
Based on history and the nature of our system, I reject argument put forward by individuals, like Matt Bai, that Obama would some how lose a political standoff with Congress over keeping one of his biggest campaign promises.
On the other hand, had Mr. Obama held the line on principle and allowed all the cuts to expire, as some Democrats would have preferred, the public debate in January would most likely have come down to which of the two parties was responsible for letting middle-class taxes rise during a recession. It’s an argument that Democrats, historically vulnerable on taxes and already fending off charges of expanding government, would probably have lost.
Gaming this out, I don’t see how President Obama would have lost, if several weeks ago, he would have made a big public threat to veto any tax bill that broke his campaign promise by extending the tax cuts for millionaires. Every day the fight dragged on, the President would go out making statements about how absurd it was that Republicans would hold everyone hostage for a handful of millionaires.
The day the tax cuts expired, he could be on every national TV network shaking his head in disbelief that Republicans were prepared to make everyone suffer to protect the wealthy. With the bully pulpit, he could easily win the messaging war.
In the end, the Republicans have much more to lose. More than anything, their brand is tax cuts for everyone. If the fight framed them as only caring about tax cuts for the rich and not giving a darn about everyone else’s tax rates, it could be politically devastating. It seems clear the Republicans were afraid of this showdown for this exact reason when in September John Boehner admitted if the only option was to extend only the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 he would vote for it.
It’s true that if the tax cuts were allowed to expire, the blame game would start, but with the president holding a popular, principled position, and the much larger megaphone to frame the debate, the chances were good he would have come out the victor.
It is just the nature of our system that when a fairly popular President shows real leadership, taking a firm principled veto threat against an extremely unpopular Congress, he is usually going to win.
If Obama actually chose to fight for his tax position with his biggest tool, the veto threat, he probably could have won. If you are going to justify broken promises as the “politics of the possible,” your duty at least requires using every tool available to first push the edges of possibility.




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Coulda, shoulda, woulda, same old story. He got exactly what he wanted.
Finally! Now that the rich got an extension of their tax cuts, we can finally get those new jobs posted so that we can put people back to work.
Of COURSE Obama would’ve won in such a standoff (assuming, you know, he actually stood for ending the cuts for the rich, which his actions proves he doesn’t). Not. Even. Close.
Just please don’t put it all on Obama. The “Democratic” caucus “voted” last week not to allow the bill to the floor. Yet, they CHOSE to allow that very bill to the floor.
THAT’s not Obama. That’s Pelosi. And Congressional Democrats.
How can anyone seriously suggest it’s NOT all the Democrats in DC when they do a 180 within a week? The vote last Thursday was KABUKI. The Democrats in Congress are WITH Obama (and the Republicans) on tax cuts for the rich.
But I’m sure some blue Kool-Aid drinkers will still try and insist otherwise. At this point it’s like watching a guy swimming in his own front yard insisting it’s not raining.
Spineless, morally bankrupt cowards never win.
You’re assuming that Republicans represent the public, not so sure that’s true.
Absolutely, agree.
Exactly. A couple things are driving me nutz.
1. I keep reading the same frame on FDL. Dems act as bad as repubs, are we shocked yet, still shocked…I mean at what point to we start the next logical step (they can’t be saved or fixed so we need to start over). I know that will bother a lotta hard working to get locals elected folks but really, you wanna spend 40 years fighting for the dem party that won’t fight for you only to find at the end of your lifetime that it’s still the same utterly corrupted party ?? (we’ve been at for at least 10 years right?).
2. Sarah Palin stories, that grifter’s 15 minutes shoulda been over long ago. Why do we still have feed the beast (err grizzly bear) stories every freaking day about her ? Why help feed the meme that she’s viable “anything”.
A large majority of Americans favored letting the cuts expire on those in the top bracket. Boehner said in September that he’d vote the president’s (stated) way rather than let all the cuts expire. Republicans would have been in the politically devastating position of filibustering tax cuts for the vast majority of Americans and extended unemployment benefits in the worst recession since the 1930′s in order to secure tax cuts for the wealthy above all else.
It didn’t matter how much leverage Obama had. He folded like a bad hand. He once claimed to be a very good poker player. Sounds like another misrepresentation like “change we can believe in” to me.
I highly suspect that’s true.
It seems apparent to me that the domestic results Obama is getting are pretty much what he set out to get in the first place. I do agree that Obama differs from the Republicans around the margins of domestic issues, but these differences are minor. In addition, his foreign and human-rights policies are, if anything, worse than those of G.W. Bush.
I do think Obama is cynical enough that he would move to the left if he thought it would benefit him politically, With the weight of the corporate information system counteracting this possibility, I don’t see much hope of that.
I am badly in need of a pep talk.
Gawd this is painfull to read every day…suspect? (self-moderated)
I would love to play poker with Obama. I would fleece him for so much that I could retire on my winnings, and no, I won’t be sharing my winnings with the GOP in an effort to be “bipartisan”.
Totally. This post expounds clearly the reasons why Obama’s actions must be intentional betrayals, not merely compromises. The worst poker player in the world could see that compromises here amount to caving.
I am badly in need of a sedative.
Both Jon and you are correct. But, Rachel Maddow is also correct in her posit that the MSM, especially the Beltway crowd, marginalize progressives and their agenda as “fringe”. I mean, this is a center-right country, doncha’ know?!
Obama’s either a Scyphozoan or a Republican. Take your pick. There are no other options.
To paraphrase The Joker in the first Batman movie…
“Washington DC is badly in need of an enema.”
Obama is a Republican. He doesn’t share one value that the OLD Democratic party stood for. But then, neither do the Dems in power right now.
Right you are OFG – at least with the R’s you expect it. with the Dems, I would’ve thought there would be more fight, less caving. the short answer is both sides wanted this outcome all along. the hostage drama was just for show.
You raise some very important, and valid, points, Jon. But I would also, cynically, add this:
Millionaires and billionaires elect Presidents.
Obama’s not naive, or a Republican, or a coward-he’s a pragmatist. Does anybody really believe he was going to allow the Republican, and their monied patrons, to tag him with raising taxes (albeit falsely) going into a Republican House for the next two years. By keeping the wealthy happy, Obama takes the taxes issue off the table going into 2012, thereby (he hopes) ensuring his reelection.
Believe me, I’m not defending the strategy, but I think one needs to look at the big, and long-term, picture.
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I think people without cognitive dissonance and which actually use their critical thinking skills have determined that President Obama gets exactly what he wants. Unfortunately, it coincides with the corporate DLC agenda instead of in the best interests of “We the People”.
But, this is interesting information Jon. Thanks.
I really enjoy your posts because they are so perceptive. Anyway, after this push by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, I hope people around the country will quit referring to her as “progressive” or “liberal”. This was supply side economics to a T…not a progressive move.
Ahm, how exactly is it taking “the issue off the table going into 2012″ when they set the expiration date to coincide with…. the 2012 elections?
But wait, Fox News tells everyone constantly how “liberal” the media is and the MSM tells us how most citizens are center-right politically. Isn’t that true?? /s
Most likely a sociopath based upon his actions. In all honesty, I have never seen a politician who lies so easily about his supposed convictions and then does the complete opposite better than President Obama.
I thought Obama was going to threaten to veto the tax rate bill unless Congress passed the DREAM Act, repealed DADT and ratified the START treaty. I guess that little fantasy didn’t pan out either.
Well, keeping in line with the spirit of this post, perhaps by then with an improved economy and job numbers, Obama uses the bully pulpit to announce a middle class tax cut and won’t have to fear retribution from the millionaires and billionaires.
Sherrod Brown thinks the liberal base is going to come home. Isn’t there a law against delusional people serving in Congress?
apparently not
Come home to what? The Republican/Democratic party? The Democratic party is dead for me and the Republicans were never a possibility.
I’m so disgusted with Obama I can hardly think. I disliked Bush, but I expected very little from him. I now have a visceral loathing of Obama that I never felt with Bush. He reminds me of a snake oil salesman–a jive talkin’ turkey. But then so is the rest of Democratic cabal. I feel like I’m living in a Kafka novel–up is down, black is white, Democrats are Republican…What I know for certain is that they are all roaches.
Here comes the whitewash. Rep Clyburn: “This is a good bill”. Cave, cave, cave. No votes for Vichy Dems.
When Boehner said he’d vote for a middle class tax cut if that was his only option someone somewhere immediately got on the phone and told him he’d flubbed his lines.
The next day he returned to script.
I suspect the phone call went like this.
“John, you know who this is.”
“Yes, sir.”
“I’m very disappointed in you, John.”
“I I I”
“We invested a lot of time and money in you over the years and you can’t even get a simple talking point right? Maybe we were wrong about you.”
“The question caught me off guard, sir.”
“John, John, John. How can our man in the White House play his role if you give him an out? Did you think about that?”
“No, sir.”
“Fix it, John. Fix it. Right away. Unless you’d like to be replaced?”
“No, sir. I’ll fix it. What about the press, sir? What if they remind me of what I said?”
“Oh, John. You make me laugh. Now, I’ve got to go. I have to call the President and tell him his lines.”
Completely agree. While FDL is getting better there still continue to be these articles about how people are shocked SHOCKED i tell you that the democrats do these things. The D party is to the right of the R party. I think its stockolm syndrome or something. Progressives and liberals have been so tied to the D party for so long that they simply cant accept that they are doing such things.
Nice!
If we really think this through, we can only come to one main conclusion by statements such as Representative Clyburn…and that is – Congress has concluded that all Americans are completely stupid and ignorant so they can state anything and people will buy it. The question now becomes…are they right?
Now Bob Shrum is praising Krauthammer. I’m going to vomit.
But wait – this week gets better ! /s
Nigerian charges against Darth Cheney are dropped.
The folks over a DKOS are not very happy. It’s about time.
I avoided that reaction by changing the channel the minute I heard he was coming up next.
Agree!
My son once told me that the difference between Republicans and Democrats are like the difference between a mafia gang that commits crimes and one that does the same but that puts its litter in garbage cans.
You have a point, and I encourage you to blog at MyFDL, too. From my perspective, the main posts here are to keep us updated on what’s actually happening, which, as you’re aware, we’re not going to get the “real story” in any of the fascist corporate-owned media.
I guess I see people blogging here to really vent their frustrations, which *may* be considered a “waste of time” or an exercise in futility. that said, many who blog here regularly are no longer surprised by any of this, but we are all angry at the vast sell-out of the Democratic party. Really the deal was sealed with the SCOTUS Citizens United decision this past January, so speaking for myself, I *was* actually waiting to see how things would pan out this year following that sell out of our govt to the corporations.
It turned out pretty much as I expected, but I do still get enraged by it.
That said, there are many who lurk here and/or post for the first time, and they may be just beginning to grasp what’s going on. Is it Stockholm syndrome for them? Perhaps that’s one way to look at it. I do see FDL as one of the few blogs that’s pretty objective and factual about the true reality of our current government and society.
Obama is Nixon, the whole Wikileaks thing proves that.
He and his plutocrat friends win and the working and middle class loses.
Color me completely gobsmacked with surprise!!! /s
Surpise that it took them a whole week to get the charges dropped.
It’s inconsequential whether you take Obama at his word or not. I for one think he’s as duplicitous as any politician in Washington. But take the other position–he tried his best and he just couldn’t get it done because of the evil Republicans. How can any informed voter not react by firing his ass for incompetence? The Democrats kabuki this fourth quarter has been so incredibly pathetic, I don’t see how any self-respecting D can defend them in any way other than relative to the R’s and Palin. Which is exactly what they’re counting on.
Obama must be primaried. Who will do it? What are they doing now? How can I help?
I think it’s safe to say that Krauthammer is being disingenuous, he knows a good thing when he sees it. He can get want he wants through Obama.
They had to wait for the money to arrive no doubt.
From today’s Ted Poe (R-TX)_ newsletter:
I feel the same way. Obama faced with genocidal Nazis would probably compromise so instead of killing 10 mil. he’d be ok if they killed 9.8 mil. As long as they got to have a cigarette 1st.
it takes time for a check to clear.
look at most recent post
“The Democrats in Congress are WITH Obama (and the Republicans) on tax cuts
for the rich.” FOR THEMSELVES”Fixed it for ya.
Bonus political malpractice: if (a big if, but still) any jobs come back as part of the natural business cycle during the next ten years, Boehner and McConnell will crow about how it’s because Obama saw their way, tax cuts for the rich, was the best way to grow the economy and create jobs.
It’s a lie, but they’ll tell it. And Obama will probably validate it.
You’re exactly right, and it’s not because he’s spineless or weak or clueless that he didn’t do these politicking 101 measures imo.
Yep. Rather amazing to watch, isn’t it? Sometimes there’s this “I can’t really be seeing this, can I?” feeling to it.
After his FISA fli-flop I warned many friends that Obama didn’t believe in anything. I was ridiculed. But not any more.
Someone needs to ask Ted Poe (R-TX) exactly who benefits and who is hurt by spending cuts. How exactly is it a good thing for citizens in this country to lose their last hope through spending cuts of social safety nets? What good do spending cuts do for citizens TODAY and for the next year(s) during a bad economy? Unless Ted Poe is talking about major spending cuts in military spending…something that isn’t helping the average citizen on a daily basis (other than through the fear factor).
which is precisely why this premature “cave in” by going behind the backs of his own Congressional members is so incredibly disgusting.
Now who was correct? I’ve been doing the precise same thing….after FISA sellout…then jetissoning the public option in another backdoor shady agreement with AHIP….and now this. I’d say his three strikes are over and the base is deserting him right now.
Will the REAL Barack Obama please stand up??? Who is this man?
We’ve seen him fight for Republican principles, haven’t we?
Do we have a Democrat in the White House or a Moderate Republican. Did we have the wool pulled over our eyes by the Bilderberg Group?
It’s beginning to look that way.
All corporate shills who have been “bought” totally by the plutarchs/oligarchs. Hook, line and sinker.
Check this out – “do the Bilderberg Group rule the world?”. Quite interesting.
http://www.suite101.com/content/the-aims-and-agenda-of-the-bilderberg-group-a239775
LOL
in response to Mr. Chip @ 7 My sentiments exactly on both points. We really need some action on your first point. I am not much of an activist, but I sure would respond with votes and whatever finincial help that I am capable of. Tired of all this kabuki and being used and discarded.
yes! Finally! more of the same thing we’ve had for 10 years so we can have more of the same results!
We’ve seen Obama called weak & cowardly for abandoning his campaign promises and his constituencies. But weak he is not. He is potent and ruthless and he will not stop until he has shredded what’s left of the American safety net. Social Security? Social Security Disability? Medicare? Look out below!
This sell-out is getting more than three strikes. He lost me when I found out that there would be no negotiating for lower drug prices. Another example of a back-room cave in before negotiations even start.
OBAMA ENABLES RIGHTIES AND ALIENATES LEFTIES
In my opinion, Obama has already doomed himself and Democrats to LOSING the 2012 elections.
Republican conservatives and teabaggers won’t vote for him, and liberal and progressive Democrats have, at the very least, lost their enthusiasm for supporting/getting out the vote for a president who has not only let them down with his policy change INEFFECTIVENESS and his complacent/acquiescent CAVING IN to racists, bigots, corporatists and rich elitists, but has ALSO nearly erased the lines of distinction between being a Democrat and a Republican, which makes many Democrats FEEL that HE really doesn’t believe there are any SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES between REPUBLICAN and DEMOCRATIC VALUES!
Obama will never regain the wholehearted support of liberals and progressives because he has FAILED to keep PROMISES most dear to them and has AVOIDED trying to LEAD Democrats to SUCCESS. And since he refuses to FIGHT and so compliantly APPEASES Republicans, WHY would any Democrat believe he is CAPABLE of DEFEATING REPUBLICANS when THEY have so easily DEFEATED HIM and DEMOCRATS in the House and Senate?
I wish Jon Walker had gone further. My knowledge in this area is limited, but I believe that our Chief Executive has much more power than indicated.
I am not seriously advocating anything specific because I am far to ignorent in this area. I was just hoping to learn more about the subject.
However, besides the veto, he has some powers over dispensing funds, jobs in the Federal Bureaucracy, and the military. I seem to remember Bush & Cheney firing some (independent) lawyers. Congress only makes the law, the Chief Executive executes the law. Did not Bush often say that he would sign some law, but that he did not plan to execute it?
The only real recourse against the U.S. Chief Executive may be impeachment.
THe problem with this is that this is the first time Obama has gone up against Congress. And he did it against his own party. Every other time COngress has asked Obama to support a liberal agenda or to go to bat for something he promised he has refused to even try. He was wanted to “stay above the fray”. Too good to get his hands dirty fighting for true HCR, too delicate for financial reform, to hell with the gays. Now when he is breaking yet another promise in order to curry favor with the top .3% well, gloves are off. He’ll tear those damned Dems apart.
Obama promised to raise the income cap on Social Security, in order to bring more into the fund. He did the exact opposite. Obama promised to end the Bush tax cuts. He did the exact opposite.
He did not promise to follow a Republican agenda. But that has been his agenda from day one. He would never have been elected if he had run on the agenda he has pursued because it was not and is not what Americans want. He just doesn’t care what Americans want. He cares what his banker friends want.
He did say he was a Reaganite, no one listened. He also did say Republicans have all the good ideas. No one took him seriously. Well I did and I didn’t vote for him. The first time since I started voting in 1976, I did not vote Democrat. I did not and do not believe anything he says. I resent having my party taken away by someone who was easily recogniosable as Bush-lite.
This blame thing among Dems in DC really does have the feel of a circular firing squad, or, one those other circle things.
That’s ok though. We can all have a good laugh when this is over and America has full employment again. Just like Obama and his new friends, Boehner and McConnell promised. They did promise, didn’t they?
Giving President Obama the benefit of the doubt, let’s say some of his economic advisors told him it’s not good to raise the millionaires’ taxes in this economy. That was in fact his excuse for not raising the taxes on the millionaires before the expiration date of the Bush tax cuts. Of course, it would have been better if he told us this instead of going into the hostage story. We can handle the truth, if that is the truth.
What worries me most is that payroll tax holiday. I can’t help but see it as a prelude to “reforming” social security. Everything about it, every excuse made, just does not make sense. That it was presented as a Democratic “win” is laughable. Boehner will surely push to make it permanent.
Mitch Daniels had favored a payroll tax holiday in his Republican Economic Plan:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Evaluating-John-Boehners-Republican-Economic-Plan-4973
Well as a guest on Ventura’s show said last week-Obama is in bed with the CIA. He ain’t on our payroll. He was picked to do their bidding. The sooner we wake up to this the better. And it’s amazing what betrayal will do, I never thought I could find more contempt for a president than Reagan, then Bush Jr. came along, and now this thing that pretends to be a Democrat, Obama.
Never has one man earned-oh yes, as much as Bush one goddamn term as much as he.
I hate to break this to you, but Obama got exactly the deal he wanted. And, again, he did it without getting his finger prints on the scene of the crime. He got the rich the tax cuts he feels he owes them and must come through with in order to get their support in 2012. And yet again, the House Dems were no-shows when push came to shove.
If Obama’s advisors are telling him it is bad to raise taxes on the rich in this economy, they are Republicans and stupid. Lowering taxes on the rich did and has in the past brought on recessions and increased the economic inequality in this country. It is no big secret that the rich are not investing back into this economy. They are getting richer, and taking more and more away from the rest of us.
The last 30 years have been an exercise in giving more to the rich and waiting for them to part with a little of it. It has not ever worked. The Bush tax cuts resulted in the huge deficit everyone keeps crying about. And they resulted in 8 milion lost jobs. But, giving more to the poor is good for the economy, because they spend every nickel they have just staying alive. If they get a little extra at tax time, they catch up on bills and buy something they need. That fuels the economy. If Obama and his advisors think handouts to the rich are good for the economy, theyjust aren’t thinking.
“If the president issues a public veto threat in order to keep a major promise, that has popular support, the President is almost always going to win in the end.”
True, very true.
And indeed that is the reason Obama spoke of support for single payer and support for the public option but proposed neither, and never issued a veto threat in support of either – he was a liar and wanted neither.
Obama ran on the platform that Washington was broke and only he could fix it. In the end, he has now made it beyond repair.
The only fix I can see working is when people by the millions move to the streets, and that my friends, is not about to happen in my lifetime.
So on top of everything else, he has killed “Hope”. I predict that the 2012 election will be the lowest turnout in the last 100 years.
I believe that is not far from the truth. Boehner probably got calls from other congressional Republicans and a few very wealthy backers of the party.
As I said on another thread: the Democrats are such inept politicians that it has to be on purpose. Both parties work for the same set of bosses.
what a graphic image. and perhaps true. So terribly sad.
Yes. being lied to consistently is “crazy-making”.
Yes, thanks. He can lie with a straighter face than Bush. Sad and scary how believeable Obama is with his lying beautiful words.
I wonder how large a bribe Cheney and Halliburton paid to the Nigerians for that?
I suspected from the start that it was just a shakedown attempt. Too bad. The thought of Cheney spending the rest of his life in a Nigerian prison was such a blissful fantasy.