President Obama couldn’t get his deficit commission to agree on a plan to cut Social Security, so they’re setting up a plan whereby the GOP “makes them do it” as the price of raising the debt ceiling:
Congress is expected to vote sometime in the first half of next year on legislation to raise the amount of money the government is legally allowed to borrow to finance its deficits. By that point, Republicans will control the House and will have strengthened their numbers in the Senate, and they hope to use the debt ceiling vote as a bargaining chip to secure spending cuts.
What’s Harry Reid’s plan?
The theory goes something like this: Republicans will demand sharp spending cuts in return for lifting the debt ceiling. Let them. “Boehner et al have had the luxury of proposing all sorts of ideas that bear no relation to reality,” says Jim Manley, Reid’s spokesman. “Next year, they’ll have to lay it all out. No more magic asterisks, no more ‘we’ll get back to you.’”
In this telling, the debt ceiling vote represents a trap for Republicans more than an opportunity for Democrats. If Republicans want to cut spending, now’s their chance. But that means passing a package of spending cuts, which they may find less enjoyable than simply saying that Democrats should stop spending so much
As Dave Dayen notes, the Republicans aren’t going to go after defense spending. They’ll start slashing things like Head Start, Section 8 housing and other services that are vital at a time of economic hardship.
Reid is going to what — fight the Republicans? Stare them down when they start slashing? Maybe the President will tell them to go ahead, shoot the hostages.
Right. Like that will happen.
The only part of this tax cut package that is overwhelmingly popular is the unemployment insurance extension. That thing the President got from the Republicans in exchange for agreeing to all the unpopular stuff. The thing the GOP needs to pass anyway, but don’t want to take shit from their base over. Thankfully Obama has freed them from that responsibility.
How many times in 2006 did we hear “oh, it’s the best we can do because George Bush has veto power, and he won’t sign anything else?”
For the last year it’s been two Republicans in the Senate who held Obama hostage. Now it’s an incoming Republican majority in the House. Next week it’ll be the guy who cleans the Rotunda on weekends.
The unemployment insurance extension being given away as a fig leaf to the tax cuts in this bill isn’t a political liability, it’s an advantage. It’s the part of this package the public really wants to pass. And Obama has the trump card in the form of a veto.
There is no reason for Democrats to be sucking this one up, and there are some very bad times just around the corner if this bill passes. I realize it’s possible for people of good faith to have different opinions on what the best plan of action is, but everyone should think carefully about what’s in store for us all if Obama folds the party’s hand like this.




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Does this mean EFCA is off the table?
The Republicans will propose to slash EVERYTHING except corporate and agricultural subsidies and defense. And then raise the debt ceiling as they make the tax cuts permanent. Reid and Obama will fold quicker than an old grocery sack on these measures, as well as those eliminating civil liberties, transparency, reproductive choice, etc.
Much like unemployment insurance, those are great bargaining chips they represent only a fraction of the federal budget but everybody knows about them. I still think Obama is going to hold strong on Head Start and use it to kill public education and the teachers union through a republican voucher program.
One of Obama’s goals all along has been to crush the teacher’s union. I don’t think he leaves office without giving it a shot.
Then we need to start coming up with a counter strategy but quick. I’d say at this point that the left had better get oppositional and assume that he really isn’t interested in re election as much as he is in decimating the Democratic brand.
Note received yesterday from the backstabbing traitor Al Franken.
AL FRANKEN
U.S. SENATOR, MINNESOTA
“Next week it’ll be the guy who cleans the Rotunda on weekends.”
This is funny, and you make a good point, but let’s be honest, the guy who cleans the Rotunda on weekends, is going into a can to feed Grandma.
Well with Prez Obama we are learning just how deep the swamp is in so many places. How about “middle class tax cuts?” That phrase is as empty and useless as “trickle down economy” or “limited war”. Just more clap trap. Your masters have decided the middle class is more dangerous as a potential ally of the poor than it is beneficial as a weak colaborator.So they are shrinking it. Flaking it off from the bottom up till thier comfortable with whats left.
It truly is, the “Al Franken Decade”. But dont worry, as long as we keep sending money “he, al franken will be just fine”. my apologies to any of you not familliar with the old SNL sketch.
I doubt he’ll be utilized to feed grandma. I’m more inclined to believe ,he, and anyone making under $40,000 will be utilized to fertilize the lawns of the very rich. Only the rich deserve anything because they are such “savvy businessmen.”
Yes, raising taxes on the lower third of workers should help out.
Where are our Progressive Dems Where are Feingold and Franken with the filibuster? Cripes at least make the GOP when they get power pass this bill if your going to sell us out Dems have you no pride don’t be the GOP’s fall guy/Bitches.
Tell Al to grow a pair.
LOL. Well played.
There are none. It’s all a charade. As Scalia would say, get over it.
“Only the rich deserve anything because they are such “savvy businessmen.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAAA you gotta laugh at that meme, even while you stand in awe. Even my idiot brother,who is an employee of the federal govt,thinks he is well off cause hes a shrewd capitalist. That is the oldest and most insidious bit of capitlalist fantasy pedaling in the World, and probably first posited by Lucifer himself. Its the big lie that keeps us from doing anything about anything.
Either Obama is a political moron or his true agenda is RIGHT of the vast majority of working class Americans/Democrats.
What did Tim Kaine and Rahm Emanuel do to get any Democrat, let alone a liberal or moderate Democrat, elected? If they did anything, they failed miserably. Were they really that inept?
What effort did Obama make to help Democrats retain their House and or Senate majorities? If he did anything, he failed miserably. Is he really that inept?
What did Obama expect to accomplish by being critical of liberals and progressives? Unite the Democratic Party or divide it? If he was trying to unite it, he failed miserably. Is he really that inept?
Obama is not a political moron. But he acts like one every time he gets in front of a microphone these days. Are the best interests of working class Americans/Democrats really his first priority? Is he really doing the best job he can do?
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275
http://www.americablog.com/2010/12/grayson-hamsher-nader-discuss-obama-tax.html
I’m beginning to realize worse things happen to the middle and lower class when a Democrat is president.
The Senate is voting right now on Sen. Bernie Sanders’ amendment to the tax break deal http://is.gd/iNwr8
The states are broke to AZ can’t pay transplant surgeries I bet lots of people are regretting their votes for GOPers now. If the states start to fail to pay their debt expect interest rates on the National debt to rise.
Geithner and Helicopter Ben may want interest rates to be low but if AZ or California can’t pay their debt then China will wonder if America can pay its debt. Higher interest rates on our debt are a COST just like TAXES.
Just using questions to illustrate obvious points we all need to be on the same page before we act.
I wish I knew how we should act. But we seem to be at a dead end.
The electoral system has been gamed by our overlords. What next?
Peace.
fuck me, I needed that – still laughing
OH don’t worry, the coming spending cuts followed by a depression will keep the interest rates low enough. There is going to be high demand for the dollar because there aren’t going to be many in circulation.
Third Party or Primary Challenge After Feingold and Franken betrayed us Well I admit I was wrong voting Dem is even Progressive Dem is the same as voting GOP.
Next election only Dems running against Obama get my vote. I’m going third party Green, Socialist, Commie anybody but Dem.
That assumes we leave Iraq and Afghanistan I bet the GOP will soon say that we can’t leave Iraq now that we are so close to having Iraq pay us for the invasion in oil.
Obama 2012 Campaign Slogan: “NO WE CAN’T”……….”they won’t let me”
They’re idiots then. What they are doing is going to increase the ranks of the poor and the disgruntled. 1 in 7 Americans uses FOOD STAMPS. Medicaid is each and every state and has 49 million people on its rolls. Recently they have already started cutting services because the states can’t afford their portion of the payments. I’m inclined to believe the Democrats will go along to make political hay out of the vulnerable. It’s been their MO on alot.
We currently have a DARTH LORD “OBAMA” in the WH, and his apprentices “REID and PELOSI” are in control of the Senate and House.
We progressives can only hope we make it to “RETURN OF THE LIBERAL”
see life is a movie! who knew? :)
YOu could be right. I wouldn’t be suprised to see a bill that only allows the debt ceiling to be raised for military spending. Gotta support the troops you know.
Note just sent to Franken.
Subject:
Your message:
Link.
Dear Jane,
Commeding you on your fine performance on LOD last night. Thank you for voicing the concerns of your readership. Particularly the mentioning of the 99ers and your comments to DADT.
Additionally, thank you for pressing the president to Pick Up The Phone. If he went to DC as an outsider and hasn’t figured out how to communicate with the congress, it’s good for you to educate him. Keep pressing and thanks for everything.
My instincts say that he isn’t as bright as he was made out to be nor is he interested in doing the arduous work.
I think he’s content with the idea of getting one term. I’m not certain we even have self interest to look for as a saving grace.
These folks may have a few ideas :D
Wait Wait I get it Obama’s 13 dimension Chess plan is to shock doctrine America and then in 30 years we like most of South America ( where the rich are investing the Bush/Obama tax cut instead of creating jobs in America).
We will go Left hard like Brazil, Bolivia, Venezuela, Argentina, Belize El Salvador etc etc.
Time to call all the Senators to the floor, lock the doors behind them and don’t let them out until they get sh*t done. Stop with the stall and delay. Up or down votes. Now.
We can think all we want about what’s in store for us, but the fact is, Obama, Reid, and the Dems don’t give a rat’s ass. They’re getting what they want, and think they can hide behind the GOP as a fig leaf.
Nice one :)
Reid is almost as bad as Obama. He tabled just about everything the House did and placed holds on crap because 1 GOP member had their panties in a wad over it.
If our future depends on him we’re screwed.
Whats in store is America will default on its debt.
Franken’s DC office number is (202) 224-5641.
Recommend that EVERYONE call his office to give him a strong verbal KICK IN THE NUTS!
By a vote of 43 to 57, the Senate refused to amend the tax break deal to strip out the tax breaks for the wealthy and more.
Bless Bernie, he’s still trying to get the seniors their $250 one time credit. He’s a stubborn cuss.
I agree with several previous commenters. LOL. Isn’t this what’s known as gallows humor?
America defaults on its debt the Dollar drops like a stone the Fed prints more money loans it to the banks and the banks pay off every old loan early.
We however still get paid for months are old wage as the price of everything goes up. Many of us go bankrupt and the banks take our stuff. The banks sell our stuff cheap.
The banks thus screw us and they screw the people they owe money too. I don’t think China is unaware or unprepared for the cute games Obama and Helicopter Ben are playing.
Anybody got the names of Dems who voted No?
I’d like to see which Democrats sided with the rich over the rest of us. I’m betting it’s the usual dozen suspects.
Aren’t you the bluebird of happiness?
Even Roubini isn’t that pessimistic.
the usual suspects or “rotating Heroes” take your pick
Bernie Sanders, Jeff Bingaman, Russ Feingold, Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown and Tom Udall – and procedurally, Merkley counts as a No for not being there – whatev
“For the last year it’s been two Republicans in the Senate who held Obama hostage.” Curious, I thought it was two Democrats AND “Clarence Thomas” Obama that was the problem. Didn’t the Dems have 60 Senate seats, a huge majority in the House AND the White House? How is it that the Repubs. were the problem?
Thom Hartmann’s faith in Obama has once again been restored! Thom quotes a poll in The WaPo that shows Obama is still popular with poor, uneducated, low-information voters who identify themselves as Democrats. Thom sees this as evidence of a strategy of “nuanced” genius.
Hope that works out for Obama in the next election.
It really doesn’t matter. Members are often given a pass to vote any way they want when the out come of the vote is known. The only time it is important to look at who voted which way is when it is a close vote. I guarantee every one of the democrats who voted no would have voted yes if the vote was in question. See healthcare.
Jane, being Jane, said that so beautifully and succinctly in one of her posts in the last week – trying to find it for ya
It’s the Democrats favorite game. You see they can only actually enact progressive legislation with a plurality of 100 in the Senate and all 435 seats in the House. Otherwise the GOP controls the debate.
I think we should just cut out their salaries and benefits. Just think how much it would help the deficit. They get their big pay from lobbyist and big corps anyway.
http://www.beaconequity.com/financial-times-jp-morgan-silver-manipulation-scheme-unwinds-2-2010-12-14/
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/556823/201012141856/JPMorgan-Downplays-Copper.htm
Copper is used for electricity everywhere to get 90% of a market or close to it that big means a huge bet a leveraged bet that could bring down a bank.
Playing with silver brought down the Hunt brothers in Texas. For any bank to be playing with 2 major metals futures and speculating on the price when any one of these deals is big enough to ruin a bank?
Well this is flip a coin odds.
I told Al he should have spent some time listening to Bernie Sanders before he “decided” how to vote.
The operative phrase being ANYWAY THEY WANT. I’d like to know which buttwipes want the rich to get a tax cut at the poors expense.
Well, it’s over in the Senate, unless the House rejects or amends.
To me, Franken has been a bigger disappointment then Obama.
What did it take, 2 months to be assimilated.
Only if you thought it was ever on the table.
On the Eleventh Day Of Christmas is when Senator Udall has promised to make the Senate vote up/down to change The Rules, especially the ‘filibuster-break’ 60-votes hamlock gridstring. The following day, January 6, of course, is Epiphany.
Most important Senate vote of the New Year? Of the decade? Of ever?
LOL! So many butts to choose from. When I said they can vote any way they “want” I was referring to anyway that will help keep them in congress.
I’m just remembering the 70′s as best I can notice that metals Gold went up in the 70′s. But to keep people invested in the stock market banks just got caught playing with silver prices. Banks admitting to years of Gold price manipulation is probably next.
Gold, Silver not worth their real value, a Dollar that should either be much lower or be backed with 10% interest rates but isn’t yet?
We are unless we the Left start making economic policy headed for a fall.
If the Tea Baggers win we either go like the Nazi’s and use war to boost our economy or we go like England losing her Empire.
Why, it’s almost as if Obama, Erskine Bowles and McCollum planned this out in advance much like Gingrich, Erskine Bowles and Bill Clinton plotted to destroy Social Security back in 1997, only to be thwarted by Monicagate.
Cool WTF happened to Al is my question reading Washington tea leaves is not my thing but somebody at the Lake must know what happened to him.
I’m personally tired of being used as a human shield by these fucking Stupicrats. I wish there was a way to NOT be included in a demographic so they can’t use me as part of their justification for fucking me.
PW, I think your suspicions are right! You are good! Even put up a link to reflect on the factoids!
Al is a shill, just like the rest of them. Bernie Sanders did a good thing the other day, but he’s still a fucking shill, just like the rest of them.
Should be able to find out here in about an hour:
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm
The full bill passed 19-81, if I may put it in that order.
I am pretty sure Jane won’t be invited to the next squirt gun fight at the white house. She keeps telegraphing the Obama playbook.
I consider the stock market the equivalent of a rich people’s lottery scratcher at this point. I’d watch as they’d cheer sending jobs from here in the US over to Bangladesh and think to myself I wonder how many middle class schmucks with 401ks are cheering their own demise.
I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion we are headed for a fall. Now I’m just trying to figure out how far and fast. I keep hoping that someone will offer a pillow or something nice and cushy to land on. Nope. So far it looks like at least a third of us will be landing on sharp and jagged rocks.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: Mexican Drug War Being Fueled by Texas Guns
Yes they are planning to shock doctrine us was it Peru or Chile that privatized their SS decades before we did and was held up as an example to America?
The thing is last I read the privatized SS was having problems and South America had almost all gone Left.
Having gone Left the World, America and yes even big American Corporations are investing and creating jobs there with the Bush/Obama tax cut money.
Maybe if America went left big American companies would create jobs here?
He’s the best we got. And yep I’d agree that it’s sad that the best we got is unable to play ball at the same Major League level as the other side.
Squirt fun fight! LOL!
Is that what we’re calling it now when the Oligarchs hook up in the West Wing with our Oligarch Whisperer and piss on the middle and lower class?
I think Cenk Uygur is right about President Obama: Here is the new memo – fight him, he’s not on your side.
hmmmmm, ya know PW, I’ve been a little vexed that no one saw this Morning After Poison Pill coming
I’m not taking anything away from folks like Jane who called Obama’s assault on SS in 2/09, or warriors like Nancy Altmann who’ve spent their careers ever watchful for attacks – stealth or otherwise
just troubled no one saw this specific move coming – maybe we were all suckered in to watching Reid’s ’10 Votes and we’ll take it up’ move
I say this as a grunt who’s only faith is placed in our ability to anticipate their shit two miles out
I think you’ve missed my point.
No one is playing ball. This is all predetermined. The daily actions of the Senate are essentially scripted, the outcome is decided beforehand. No one is negotiating. Al and Bernie are the guys chosen to try to keep Democrats engaged. Just like Rand Paul and Michelle Bachman are the folks chosen to keep the reich-wing nuts engaged.
Al Franken may be a great guy, but these tax cuts directly effect his personal assets. Did you really think you could trust him to give up his personal monies?
These pictures never get old.
Squirt Gun Fight
We could fight him if we had a chance of influencing at least one of the other 2 portions of Congress. However, it doesn’t look like they care what we the people think. Let’s recap. The majority of this country didn’t want the health care bill passed they passed it anyway. FISA passed anyway, Bailout- passed anyway, Taxes left low for rich passing anyway.
I’d be thrilled if we could find an effective way to fight him. As it stands the sorry backsides in Congress just don’t seem to care until election time.
I genuinely believe Bernie means everything he says. I also genuinely believe that as a party of 1 he’s got little to know ability to affect the outcome.
I don’t know enough about Franken on the issues to formulate an opinion.
Rahm looks sooooo happy to be taking it from behind from Joe.
“Next week it’ll be the guy who cleans the Rotunda on weekends.”
Jane, another great line. Over the last few weeks, you’ve really jumped on the bon mot train – great line after great line!
Why didn’t Bernie Sanders insert a public option amendment during the healthcare reconciliation? They would have only needed 50 votes to pass it. I am sure he really, really, really, really, wanted it.
Meanwhile in bizarro land…
‘Cause the Rs will now be hot to vote for the guy who gets the Republican agenda done just like Clinton before him. Gotta triangulate that competition.
I agree completely with you. We all had *some* hopes for Franken, but Franken is just Norm Coleman-lite. Franken is sent out to say “nice things” to the hippies, and then he turns around and votes for the supremely wealthy, which includes himself.
It’s all Kabuki show, and we cannot trust any of them. They are all bought off by the PTB, and that’s who they work for.
Game, set, match.
Jane said: “…there are some very bad times just around the corner if this bill passes.”
Dear Jane and FDLers It may come as a shock to you all but many people in my small town have lost their incomes. The safety net has shrunk and resources to help these citizens are scarce. Our homeless population is growing as more people compete for food bank and people’s kitchen.
As the super rich take a bigger chunk out of the economic pie, and they don’t let any crumbs fall, there is less resources for more people in a growing have nots or have nothing pool. So may I edit…there will be intolerably bad times just around the corner when this bill passes and it will.
Hey, fellow Michiganders, Stabenow voted YEA on this POS. Please let her know how you feel –
202 224 4822
Yup. Franken collapsed like the Metrodome roof.
I long ago concluded that Senate Democrats were a losing organization, like the LA Clippers or the Detroit “Lions,” which turn even the most highly talented athletes into rennet custard.
If we could somehow resurrect Lyndon Johnson and put him in today’s Senate Democratic caucus, he’d become a warmed-over Mark Pryor within six months.
Hey, fellow Michiganders, Stabenow voted YEA on this POS. Please let her know how you feel –
202 224 4822
This is a preview of coming attractions for Senator Stabenow. She’s facing a tough battle for re-election (thank you Mark Brewer, for running the state party into the ground), and will undoubtedly be spun by consultants who’ll urge her to reach for the holy grail of independent swing voters.
The roll call vote from http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00276
He wanted free health care clinics and he actually got them. Considering no one ever defined public option I think his decision was a smart one. Furthermore, he isn’t the leader in the Senate. He’s exactly 1 Senator out of 100.
Thanks
She could give a shit. She’s a Dem on the make posing as a “reasonable” person.
we didn’t see it coming because Obama & Biden put the payroll tax cut in the deal, not the Repubs.
Franken is a member of the millionaires boys club. That’s all you need to know.
Not that I want to rehash the health care debate. You do realize they did define the public option, don’t you? It was actually passed in the house of representatives. By the way it only takes “one” senator to offer an amendment during reconciliation. He can still offer the public option as an amendment, but don’t hold your breath.
An even more apt comparison is to the Washington Generals (or even WWF).
For all their embarrassing ineptitude, at least the Clippers and the Lions are real teams, and they try (pathetically) to win.
The Generals, though, are a fake team. They merely give the illusion of competition with the Harlem Globetrotters, but they fix is in. They never win, because it’s collusion, not competition.
The Generals and the Globetrotters are owned by the same people, so there’s never any doubt what the outcome will be. It’s a show, not a competition.
The Dems and the Repugs are owned by the same people, and they are working for the same ends.
It’s a show. The outcome isn’t in doubt.
Really? Do tell. What exactly was the public option? Try to explain it in less than 765 pages please.
Doesn’t the Senate leader get to decide whether or not amendments get offered? I’m pretty sure that’s what the GOP has been whining about.
This article says Obama is letting the repubs. base off the hook.Nope. Tea people are flooding the phone lines. Angry is what my rep. told me.
Public Option
People used to use the argument that Obama was a Democrat and that was all I needed to know. How’s that logic been working out for the progressive folk?
While I do not doubt that self interest motivates many, I also believe that there are people there that might put up a fight if they believed they had any chance whatsoever of winning. Unfortunately the mantra of “any Democrat will do” has actually brought us to the point where there are at least a dozen Democrats who ought to have an R after their name.
There ought to be a political version of the Jeff Foxworthy’s “You might be a redneck if”. You might be a Republican if you believe protecting the tax cuts of 2% is more important than protecting those making under $40,000. You might be a Republican if you believe the life of a fetus is more important than the right of a woman to make her own reproductive choices. You might be a Republican if you believe that you should fund wars and defund Social Security.
when the overview starts of with the terms “so called government option” you just can’t wait to get to the punch line.
I sent Al Franken an e-mail and told him that when I door knocked for him I had to constantly defend him. I will not do that in the next election. To all of you Minnesota FDL Members, we need to get rid of that worthless Amy Klobuchar also. The only time we hear from her is when there is “easy, safe ” legislation to jump on to. She will never take a public stand or help us with anything tough and controversial. We were running to her office with petitions when we needed her to support the public option which I will never forgive her for. She likes legislation like…lead in paint …..giant potholes that cars fall through…adoptions issues. Who doesn’t like this….but on the controversial stuff……..she is no where to be found. Lets get her out!
So let me get this straight Bernie Sanders, who by the way wanted a single payer system, should have strong armed Harry Reid into strong arming the conservative Democrats that were blocking the “so called public option” rather than get the 10 billion dollars that he could for free clinics?
Read the David Walker book Comeback America and you will find out what Obama is going to do with SS..cut benefits for the middle class; move the age of retirement up and force workers into private accounts (employers will be required to match) Mr Walker works for the Peterson group..so Obama cuts the payroll tax only to force workers and employers to pay into private accounts…the GOP will demand cuts in SS next year and Obama will claim this is the best deal he can get for SS…Since Peterson is a fund manager do you think he will manage the new SS private accounts? Gee do I feel good about retiring!
Yeah, she did vote YEA on the bankruptcy bill and that is what originally turned me against her…
Someone should break this to the employers. I’m pretty sure they aren’t going to go for anything that boosts payroll costs here.
What a wonderful idea! We need a thread devoted solely to “you might be a Republican if…” I know I could use a laugh or two.
Heh,
I’d laugh if I didn’t want to cry. Kent Conrad voted against tabling an abortion amendment that Ben Nelson, also a democrat, offered up. These two guys were also the “bipartisan support” behind extending the Bush tax cuts. Oh and let’s not forget that the good Senator Conrad also insisted that he’d vote with the Republicans if there wasn’t a Social Security Commission.
Can someone explain it to me slowly why these two guys are Democrats? They spend more time lobbying with the GOP than they do their own party. Let the GOP have the seats already so we can get rid of the notion that there is “bi partisan support” for all the Republican ideas.
No. The health care bill had already passed, he just needed or needs to offer the public option as an amendment in reconciliation. I don’t know why you are arguing against the public option.
Bernie Sanders’s “free clinics” was the reason the Stupak amendment happened, and that Obama signed the Hyde amendment as an executive order.
$10 billion was chump change for what the GOP got. Nice job, Bernie. Thanks for nothing.
I’m not arguing anything. I don’t think Ried wants it to happen and I think for that reason it won’t
The reason the Stupak amendment happened was because Stupak was/is a pompous jerk. I don’t blame that on Sanders. Furthermore if I were to put what goes on in the House I wouldn’t put it on a Senator, I’d put it on Pelosi. She didn’t have to let Stupak control the debate. She forced 42 people to bow to the whims of 12. That’s some strong leadership skills there.
Senator Sanders on Stupak amendment in his own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHfRG0pkQpY
how about 5 words, “medicare buy in for all”. that would have been a public option. its already there. And since big gubmint health care is so awful the cartels wouldnt have anything to worry about right? no one wants awful, big gubmint,health care.
decent start. Thank you.
Sanders supported that. As a matter of fact he was the Senate sponsor of S 703, the SOLE SPONSOR. Your gripe is with the Senate majority leader and the rest of the Senate that wouldn’t sign on. Oh and with Pelosi, who took single payer off the table to begin with.
Just stopping by to close the loop on the House end of this train wreck before I head upstairs to the new threads.
House Rules Committee is meeting right now on the Senate-passed taxcut bonuses deal. Stay tuned to that link this evening; the rule on the trainwreck could be announced tonight, possibly in time for prime-time news.
I’m 50, I’ve been teaching for 7 years – maybe we as a group deserve to be crushed. Our “leadership” has been as pathetic and as craven as the voting public which allows the craven and pathetic to hold office with the name of Dem.
It has been a 3 decades long game of “If I shut up they’ll get the other guy” out there in Twit Q. Public land. Oh well.
rmm.
See that was the reform and was used as the bait. They too know that too, it was dropped because of that and it does not make any point highlighting it.
See, if you had any Scam ideas for HCR bill and you suggested they would have listened. Thats how the bill was reshaped in the conference committee.
BTW: Look in all the bills. The leitmotif is same either by intent or unintentional.
Push the middle class to poor class and poor class on to the streets and create strife and unrest in the society.
Expect things to get worse and worse in future and not better. The underlying bills intent does not do anything for vast majority of Americans but push them even deeper into debt and despair.
I really hoping for a third party life Reform party to show up to vote them in 2012 instead of usual stage managed Wall Street Vs Wall Street elections where our collective future gets worse and not better after we vote.
Since we can see the debt ceiling hostage crisis coming, I think it’s important to spread the word about alternative ways of pre-empting the crisis:
First, there’s getting rid of forced debt issuance. Here are some links on that:
http://my.firedoglake.com/letsgetitdone/2010/12/14/the-national-debt-is-congresss-fault-redux/
http://my.firedoglake.com/letsgetitdone/2010/12/10/the-national-debt-is-congresss-fault/
http://my.firedoglake.com/letsgetitdone/2010/12/08/congressional-progressives-make-em-end-debt-issuance/
Second, there’s the alternative of seignorage to stop running deficits and pay off the national debt at the same time. Beowulf outlines that here:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/12/14/corker-assembles-debt-limit-shock-doctrine-team/#comment-72483
I think FDL people at FDL should spread the word about these two ways of getting around the debt limit and also getting rid of the whole nationald ebt problem.