Now that President Obama has reach a “compromise” with the Republicans on tax cuts for the rich — which are even more generous to the ultra-wealthy than any George W. Bush passed — it’s time for predictions.
Prediction 1 – Within 138 hours of passing these massive deficit-expanding tax cuts for the wealthy, Washington DC will once again be over run by “serious” people screaming about the looming deficit crisis and the need to make regular Americans’ “share the sacrifice.”
Prediction 2 – The deficit hysteria will lead Obama to embrace even more misguided policies like a pay freeze on federal employees that will counteract a large share of the stimulus effect of this deal.
Prediction 3 – President Obama has effectively endorsed an expensive “new normal” on the estate tax that is even more generous that what George W. Bush passed. It is unlikely to ever be raised. The result over the long term will be an even greater economic stratification and even more justification for the deficits hawks to lecture the middle class about how they must share the sacrifice so Paris Hilton can inherent an even larger family fortune.
Prediction 4 – The “payroll holiday” will be used as proof that Social Security is going bankrupt and needs “reform,” i.e. cuts. In the long run it will undermine the social insurance contract. That this weird deficit spending is credited to the trust fund cut in the “Social Security payroll tax” — instead of a “tax credit” designed to do exactly the same thing — shows it is part of a long term attack on the Social Security program.
Prediction 5 – The deal will end up a massive political problem because most of the middle class tax cuts and unemployment insurance extension expire after only one year. While their stimulative effect will help the economy in 2010, their end will cause most Americans real income to fall in the critical period leading into the 2012 election. It will put President Obama in a horrible bargaining position at that point.
Prediction 6 - The massive cost of this deal will be integrated into a very popular and effective Republican attack in 2012 that will go something roughly like this, “President Obama grew the deficit to a massive [some number] billions, more than any other president.”
Prediction 7 – In 2012 when the tax cuts are set to expire President Obama will once again fold like a broken lawn chair. At that point he will have even fewer Democrats in Congress than he does now. There is nothing in his past behavior with Republicans to lead anyone to believe otherwise.
Prediction 8 – Almost no one in the media will bother to mention this “deal” is totally unnecessary if Democrats were just willing to use their power to quickly end the filibuster. The Republicans in 2005 showed that merely threatening to end the filibuster is a very effective tactic. There is no need for Democrats to give in to these legislative hostage-taking tactics.




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Yep, these are pretty much my thoughts too.
Prepare for the OFA blowback however. We’ll hear about millions of jobs “saved or created.” We’ll hear how bad the unemployment rate might have been. None of this will matter to voters in 2012.
funny about predictions, and “see-ers”..the really effective sooth sayers just tell you things that have to happen, then when they do they look like a gifted genius
in other words, these “predictions” are more fore gone conclusions then predictions
I’m not sure how much a threat ending the filibuster is when Republicans are set to take over.
Obama better NOT be on the ballot in 2012.
Yep, really can’t tell the difference in the parties and haven’t for a long time. #4 was the one that really got me but then o doesn’t have to worry about collecting SS since wall street will give him a nice corner office in NY.
Agree with your predictions, esp #6:
The massive cost of this deal will be integrated into a very popular and effective Republican attack in 2012 that will go something roughly like this, “President Obama grow the deficit be a massive [some number] billions, more than any other president.
But Obama has been HIRED to be the official “fall guy” for this, and he will be amply rewarded for his “hard work” for the Overlords.
The rest of the “small voters” are the ones who will really get screwed.
How come he’s still the President? The right claims not to like him and the left hates him.
Speak softly and carry a big carrot…! ;-)
As for prediction 6: Republicans won’t need to. Obama has jumped the shark on this one. Even the most co-dependent person eventually becomes so beaten and battered that they don’t come back. I think Obama’s base has had it with him. Let me add prediction 9. The next couple of polls will show a precipitous drop in Obama’s approvals.
I am so happy that the grassroots movements of “Hope & Change,” elected this individual. In March of 2013, Republicans will be in the White House saying they have to correct all the mistakes of Pelosi & Barry made; and blame them for all the bad things going on in this country for the past 4-6 years.
Regular America will be stuck with the same ol crap. Congratulations to all the fools that voted for this amateur poser.
In political terms what does Pragmatist mean? Obama is now being labeled as a Pragmatist. WTF?
Didn’t he say he will deal with this two years from now…uh, not.
They are all posers…both sides.
This isn’t about what the Democrats needs. They know damn well about ending the filibuster. They have no interest in anything except themselves, and the sooner we all realize that, the better.
I think we should all go silent…real silent. That would worry the hell out of them. So long as all this verbage about parsing actions etc, they will all, Demos and Repugs, just sit back and smile. They have us. They feel very safe.
OTOH, if they don’t know what we are thinking…..
Maybe you could change your user name to smug1.
But he’s the darling of the bankstas and they’re the only ones that count.
OT. Columbia U. reverses anti-Wikileaks guidance.
In the reversal,
Gary Sick went even further…
But Shortride wants to censor the NYT. What is one to make of this? The First Amendment applies only above 54th Street?
Start calling the Tax Cuts the Obama/Bush Tax Cuts.
It’s over for Democrats unless the house and senator vote it down.
Corporations are now declaring THEY are the law.
Wow! A 138 hours. Boy, you expect them to wait that long, huh?
They can’t vote it down. Remember, we the citizens are being held hostage. The UI benefits won’t be extended because they are all tied up in this piece of legislation for taxes.
I may well be sanctimonious but I know BS when I see it and Obama spews BS.
There was no TAX CUT for the rich. Just a continuation of the present tax rates. Stop spinning.
#1..Good thing..47% of tax filers pay NO income tax..Everyone should pay, however small
#2..Good thing..Federal employees make 30-60% more than their counterparts in the private workforce. All Federal spending should go back to 2006 budgets.
#3..The Estate Tax should be eliminated permanently..that money has already been taxed.
#4..It is past the time to begin the phase out of SS.
#5..Unemployment insurance should NEVER have been extended.
#6..I think it’s some number TRILLIONS
#7..Spin again..They are not tax cuts, but the present tax rates..which means, there will be tax hikes..
#8..I agree. What really should happen is, the current tax rates should be allowed to expire (for everyone), putting them back to the pre 2002 levels. Then Congress should do the work it is hired to do and re-fashion the tax rates as they see fit. Unemployment insurance extension should be over. It is time to get back to work.
In this context pragmatist means serving the interests of the wealthy elite to a fault. Benjamins beget Benjamins. Politcally that’s all that matters.
Oh go back & stick your head in the sand again.
Where’s your citation for that ridiculous claim?
Where’s your citation for that claim?
Sounds like you think you’re going to inherit some money someday
Just what do you base that opinion on?
You’d better hope you never need it.
That statement pisses me off so much that I have to believe that you would really fucking regret a face to face meeting with me.
Evidently!
They were tax cuts first implemented in ’01 and cut further in ’03 and that had mandatory sunset provisions as they were acknowledged that continuing them further would seriously add to the deficit.
So even the lies and looting recognized they were untenable.
So yes, they ARE tax cuts for the rich.
Hey, I’d go to work if there was work available! Plus, you have the entire thing backwards.
You know where new jobs are and what field they are in?
Not that it will do any good, but I did call both of my senators’ offices today to register my dissatisfaction with this dogshit, scam proposal. Boxer’s office was marginally sympathetic, but the votes are not yet counted. Feinstein’s office told me to “watch my language” because I said that members of the Democratic party need to start calling out Republican (and Blue Dogs) on their “bullshit.” Like the little twit had never heard that word before. (I’m assuming his little twit finger was wagging at me, as well.) As for Feinstein’s vote, I’m guessing she’ll vote yes, if only because of her high net worth. She stands to gain a lot personally out of the deal, not that such a thing would ever influence an elected official to vote one way or another. They are public servants, after all…
She works at WalMart as she’s commented before. Given she’s married and takes the usual deductions on a wage at around $40k if she’s in store management, the net amount she paid in Fed taxes was probably around $1500.
What she doesn’t understand is that $850 went to the War.
What she also doesn’t understand is that she probably paid about $60 over the entire year for all the school, fed employee salaries, and the dreaded unemployment aid for people.
She understands nothing about government, how it works or it’s finances. Period.
Prediction 6a:
…. and now he wants to raise your taxes!
Here too! I think that person is brainwashed. It definitely does not live in a regular neighborhood.
Doing what, exactly? And where?
No more bullshit. I want specifics.
“Phase out SS” – I hope you never get old and sick. I hope your children never need a hand to get food and help through school. I assume your life is just perfect and your don’t want any assistance at all. We should all be so lucky. You have no decency.
“will lead Obama to embrace”
really? you dont think hes already there?
No,no…it won’t be “Prez Obama grew”…it’s going to be “the Prez & Democrats grew”……
Obama is going to take down the Dem party with him.
Mitch? Boner? Eric? Grover? Is that you?
Did Tinman change his handle?
Kumari seems to go out of his/her way to make offensive comments. I say let’s not feed the troll.
So I guess the over 730 jobs I’ve applied for count as lazy to you? Going to self moderate but my god it’s hard.
I hear you…
kumari doesn’t want this country to survive. Nobody would need those extensions if there was some way out. How the heck can 34 million and upwards get work?
Obama should run for the GOP nomination in 2012. With the huge gift he’s giving to the GOP’s biggest campaign contributors, I don’t see how he could lose.
Nice little game we see happening within the Democratic Party, the fake outrage at obama and all…. direct your efforts to creating a new political party that has universal appeal!!!
I didn’t know the specifics but I have certainly observed the general, that kumari knows nothing about the USG, or economics, or taxes, or any other subject kumari comments on.
I’m curious about something these days: at what point is your president more of a liability to your party than an asset? Because I would have no problem tossing this loser over the side for the inevitable republican if we can just get that next swing of the crazy eddie pendulum out of the way that much sooner. If we’re thinking long-term, Obama is nothing but wasted opportunity and needs to be voted out.
Talk of primary challenges is nice, and I fully support that, but the real purpose of a primary challenge is not to change the behavior of the current president: it’s to change the behavior of the next democratic presidential candidate after him.
By it’s very nature, a primary challenge against Obama will not dislodge him, but it will teach him to fear his base, as he should, and it will show the next guy that the base is not going to sanction this hypocrisy. That alone makes it worthwhile, but it’s important to realize that as it effects the current idiot, it will only curb his worst impulses and will not dislodge him from power. As long as everyone sees that clearly going into it, there will be no disappointment. It’s a worthy goal, and the message will be loud and unmistakable.
At this point, it seems like the very best we can hope for.
Do we care about kumari?
O was a liability to whatever party long before he was elected.
He will not be primaried. Get real.
Maybe it’s Barry…
As this asshole careens back and forth from freezes to stimulettes to freezes, and the Rs plant their dicks further and further into his sore ass, he will look more and more pathetic. So pathetic that Palin will begin polling better.
So let him vent his spleen — and thrash around wildly. Let’s just resolve to get rid of his ass — sooner rather than later.
The pattern is most of the stimulettes (nice coining) is on the tax cut side: hidden agenda being getting rid of all the programs, like SS, that taxes support. Grover Norquist lurvs him some O policy, no matter what he sez in public.
Just got an e-mail from OFA inviting me to “listen to Obama’s” message [yeah, right] and “leave a message.”
So I did.
And now, so can you.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/TaxCutsVideo/?source=20101207_MS_st3
Warning: the bullshit justification re how “fabulous” this deal is will make you puke.
Just seeing Ezra Klein on Countdown on this tax deal.
Can I just say my loathing for him only grows over time. He’s so WRONG and he has no business as a commentator.
Sounds like a jailbreak up there. I sure hope so. this is ridiculous. Every decent economist says tax cuts are the least stimulative method for the economy.
Let ‘em expire
Olbermann tonight!
Thanks for the link. I was never on the OFA list, but certainly left him a piece of my mind (one of the few pieces left).
See my 50.
I wonder if kumari understand the safety net thats built into the US system of goverment is the only reason that the streets are not covered in blood.Do you really want to live where not just the sick and old need help but the able body can’t take care of there owne.Freedom like you know will be changed.Do you really think you can defend yourself.
“Unemployment insurance extension should be over. It is time to get back to work.”
Fuck that. I’m going to live off my savings. Wages suck to the point there is little point in working. If I get sick I lose everything anyway, so I may as well enjoy the rest of my life. I’m done paying into this sick goddamn system. I wasn’t invited to the party and I damn sure am not going to pay for the clean-up.
He the sleaziest of them all. Even worse than Yglesias.
Have we had enough yet? Over at the HP, once a bastion of Obama love, the love affair is finished. More and more posters recognize that Obama has got to go for the good of the nation.
Oh, but you see, you can just call out the local police, who the USG has now armed like the military, to mow down the protesters. That will accomplish several favorable outcomes, like getting rid of dissidents without those icky, time-consuming wasteful trials, while teaching all those free-speech, working-wage wannabees to STFU.
I could go on, but you get the point.
At least we know O man is willing to fight, the “professional” left, the ones that put the prig where he is today. Our mistake but not again.
I’m sure the fat cats, aristocrats and plutocrats will have no problem stepping over the bodies of the starving, the in-firmed and those “dirty fucking hippies” on Obama’s hit list. A little Dolce Gabbana dabbed on a hanky and their tax cuts will make it all the more acceptable.
What’s easier: caving to the rich who support you, or slaughtering the poor who oppose you. Rhetorical Q.
Mahalo, MM…! I simply said that I will absolutely refuse to caucus and/or vote for him in ’12, if he signs that POS…! ;-)
There will soon be automotive work in South Korea
Great minds and all that, eCahn
Prediction 9: What used to be called “automatic stabilizers”, such as unemployment benefits, will no longer be automatic. Indeed the squabble over extension of benefits, once non-controversial, has become the new normal and a convenient hostage. So expect that even basic unemployment insurance will be under attack within the next year.
Btw, MM… Drop a note to Mazie too…! ;-)
KO’s SC is a blistering critique on O’s capitulation…! Must-See-Tee-Vee…! ;-)
Re #8: Are you hiring?
Yup. Will do.
On another matter, Mary Landrieu has never been one of my “favorites” [by a L-O-N-G shot!!!], but hey, here’s what she’s got to say on this train wreck. Courtesy of the Huff Post.
If the Mary Landrieus of the world are slamming this, and in these terms, I might feel a ray of hope. OTOH, kabuki and all . . .
And his “wrongness” then gets quoted as “expertise” in other articles. Just saw one; made me puke.
Holy crap! Pretty thick.
Fuck losers like Mary Landrieu.
No Holds Barred…! He’s Smokin’ Hot…! ;-)
I think we are all forgetting the 9th prediction:
The quasi democratic punditry proclaiming,
Who could have thought that this (massive deficit, continued unemployment, anemic job growth, other bad economic prediction) would happen? No one predicted this.
Countdown to offshore lease restoration and some ‘other sweeteners’, followed by Landreau’s el foldo.
5, 4, 3…
Oh, I totally agree re Landrieu. That’s why i was so surprised to see this from her.
Re newtonusr @ 77: good point. That’s why I mentioned kabuki.
Eli is upstairs!
Bond Vigilante Justice
Heh.
Thanks. Who can keep track of every jot ‘n tittle. Esp teh tittles.
*ouch* Such ‘pragmatism’…! ;-)
This was a fascinating read..
A few educated guesses about Kumari:
Her spouse is the main breadwinner.
She is on her spouse’s health insurance plan.
She has been taken care of all her life, IE, has never had to live on her own.
She depends on Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck to tell her what to think.
A pragmatist is someone who doesn’t have the guts to fight for the principles and programs he ostensibly believes in. Pragmatism is another word for preemptive capitulation.
“That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
- Declaration of Independence
what are we waiting for? Where is the leadership to lead us out of this abyss?
1-8 will happen (welcome to trojan horse world)
We get it! Obama is cold blooded and heartless!
All we asked is for Obama to give us a little straight talk.
Obama please stop saying you love the USA middle class! Just stop it!
(everytime Obama says he loves the middle class of the USA, steam is starting to come out of american’s skulls! not good, Obama they are FIRED UP At YOU!!!)
Obama just say the truth, I Obama love the Chinese and Korean Middle Class.
(remember Obama you just done a NAFTA deal with KOREA)
Yes! Obama you are a cold blooded person. (more people are starting to see how cold blooded you are)
I love the way you threw fed workers under the bus, making them take one for the super rich. :) WOW!!! Obama this was very heartless.
all this said, you and michelle need to start packing, you have shot at getting re-elected, it was going to be tought if you done some things right.
Remember just say the truth OBAMA, I Obama hate the USA middle class, but I have a lot of love for the Chinese and Korean middle classes.
No one really follows a loser, so continue to be the best republican you can be.
Mr. Fired Up!!! Ready To Go!!! get to packing, “THE PARTY IS OVER, TURN OUT THE LIGHTS” Dandy Don
O’Donnell just sucker punched Jane and Adam and the book author by switching the strategy that Sherrod Brown advocated from campaigning for unemployment ins. extension to campaigning to “do the right thing” on taxes. O’Donnell fabricated a straw man by asking “when has any president been successful in using the bully pulpit to get Republicans to do the right thing on taxes?”
Sherrod Brown very precisely argued NOT for using the bully pulpit on the tax issue but on the unemployment issue, because all the Rethuglicans would eventually cave-in on unemployment ins., because they always cave in on that, because they have as many millions of constituents on UI as Dems do.
Somebody warn Peter Welch right now, he’s going on O’Donnell in 30 secs.
TROLL ALERT: kumari has been hijacking threads all day. PLEASE PLEASE
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It all seems to be working according to Obama’s New Democrat hollowing out America plan. Woo Hoo!!
We regular people are in for a nasty ride on the corporate express to hell.
Minor quibble
Our country has declared it illegal. That is why Manning is presently sitting in a cell. That being said they are not having an easy time charging Assange because he is not a US citizen and what he is doing is not on US soil.
That being said I get what you are saying, there appears to be a great deal of collusion in attempting to limit the knowledge of what we, average citizens, are paying for and having done on our behalf with our tax dollars. It’s rather troubling when you consider that Obama ran on a platform of transparency and we are constantly being lectured about how the government is for the people, by the people.
Heh, you want to play a shell game? The tech sector and just about every other sector under the sun is told to go to school for a career in X only to be told, before they’ve even paid off their student loans, that their jobs are being outsourced to godforsaken country where people live on $2 a day and have no rights or environmental controls.
Do we need a “Coffee” party for the Liberal side to mirror what the Teabaggers did for the Repugnacans? Do we need research into the possibility of using stem cells to grow testicles for Democratic politicians?
What the hell is going on? Someone likened this latest Obama surrender to “punting on 3rd down”, I’d say more like 2nd down…really beginning to regret my support for Obama against Clinton…
In the end, he may just walk away on his own to collect his millions in payback. But, if this happens, I’m sure it will be because the left is so terribly ungrateful and incapable of acknowledging his enormous accomplishments. In time, of course, we’ll see just how wrong we were (not).
Yes, everyone just needs more “education” (aka student debt) and then good paying jobs will magically appear.
Minor quibble
Just because a spouse is the breadwinner does not mean that the person at home is not a major contributor to the household. Every year mothers are told our services are worth some ridiculous sum of money on Mother’s Day. In short a stay at home spouse TAKES CARE OF people too. These people deserve health care just as much as the spouse who works outside of the household.
I really believe the progressive position is to value ALL WORK, whether it be within a household, voluntary or for a wage.
That being said, kumari is wrong.
Everyone who derives any sort of wage pays taxes. even those that do not derive a wage still often pay taxes albeit local taxes like sales tax. Every single human being is contributing to our economy. The idea anyone is not is absurd.
I also believe it is sad that she wishes to race to the bottom. Federal employees do make more than their private sector counterparts. Many of them are union. They have pensions and decent health care. Their wages pay enough for them to pay their bills with a little left over to work towards their American Dream. In contrast the private sectors wages have been stagnant. The real dollar value of a working class individuals wage is smaller today then it was in the 60′s. Many working class folk are reliant on food pantries or food stamps. 1 in 7 people now requires the assistance of the government to place food on their table. 46.3 million people do not have health insurance as of 2008. The number one reason for this is the steady erosion of health insurance in the workplace. People can’t afford to pay the costs they are being expected to burden anymore than business can. 14 out of every 100 Americans lives below the poverty line. They can’t subsist without assistance. Even sadder, 1 in 5 of every children live below poverty. We are saddling these children with a burden and are doing the equivalent of asking them to climb out of a ditch when we basically say that there are no jobs that will provide you with the means to climb out of poverty. Social Security keeps 1 in 5 elderly Americans from starving. I can not think of a BETTER reason to keep a program that is successful at providing for the vulnerable, particularly when the money that is being received was meant to be used to pay for this generation and then it’s excess placed in trust for the next generation, not pay for wars and whatnot.
All in all kumari sounds like a terribly misguided person and we should feel sorrow for her that she believes it is the government’s responsibility to protect the rich and privileged that have benefited from inheritances rather than the vulnerable, like our elderly who worked for years and years and the future of our country, it’s children. It’s a sad commentary on her ability to prioritize and understand why social compacts exist.
I HAVE READ DOZENS OF COMMENTS HERE THAT CLAIM THE PRESIDENT COULD HAVE/SHOULD HAVE HELD OUT…..BUT THERE ARE FEW DETAILS
I see the same kind of criticism from the House Dems, but I do not see them proposing an alternative. Let’s assume that Obama had refused to deal except at the level being demanded here and in the House.
Here is what I think would have happened had the President refused to make this compromise:
NOTHING! LET’S SPELL IT OUT….
How would the next three weeks have gone?
A) Every day would have been the same: The GOP saying “everyone gets the current rate or no one does” and the DEMS saying “no one gets the current rate IF the top brackets do.”
B) Nothing else would have been done.
C) The Christmas recess would have happened and NOTHING would be settled- not taxes, not unemployment, not DADT, not DREAM, not START…
IN JANUARY WITH A NEW CONGRESS...…A CONGRESS WHOSE HOUSE WAS FULLY IN CONTROL OF THE GOP AND THE SENATE WITH 53 DEMS AND 47 GOP. A much weakened position.
a) The House would pass legislation that would have made the tax rates for everyone PERMANENT.
b) The Dems in the House would have been on record as opposing those rates for everyone and they would be pictured as losers who were more concerned about winning a political battle than caring for the economy or for the middle class.
c) In the Senate, the GOP would dare the Dems to block the House legislation. It would pass and the Dems would look very weak.
UNEMPLOYMENT? Not even considered yet. Two months after the benefits ran out and in the aftermath of a very bad Christmas.
The GOP would shake its collective head and point to how much uncertainty had been allowed to remain in the economy because of Democratic inaction.The results:
–the inability of the top bracket folks to make jobs,
–the hesitancy to invest in inventory,
–the unwillingess to commit to capital improvements.
AND DADT, START, DREAM….NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
Does anyone really think that the 65 percent that says he should stand and fight right now would be there in late January? No Way!
IT’S FINE TO CRITIQUE, BUT IF THAT IS ALL YOU DO, THEN CREDIBILITY IS LACKING. PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE. WHAT IS IT?
y’all are busy tonite!
Just had to do this drive-by posting, can’t stay long. But OMG Jane was sooooo right about parts of what we are seeing being kabuki. WH has now even gone to the ludicrous extent of denying that it was engaging in kabuki to the NYT. On background, of course. Meanwhile, the same article reveals that Biden was the secret back channel to McConnell; Biden sold out the Dems on the estate tax giveaway and got only refundable tax credits in return.
They proposed an alternative, the alternative was to pass a middle class tax cut. The President undercut them by inviting the GOP to the table and saying he would negotiate with them.
We have no way of knowing what would have happened. The GOP could have just as easily caved. Prior to the election they were conceding that they might have to.
I think it’s funny that you are considering being the minority party a weakened position. The GOP was a minority in the House for 4 years and still managed to get alot of what they wanted. Why? They were negotiating with a President that will capitulate to them even when they with hold support. They did it on stimulus bill and they did it on the Heritage plan health care bill.
In short, Barack Obama’s team was full of crappy negotiators. They traded a dollar for a bright shiny nickel.
Some of these predictions are good.
However, it really missed the one point: all the cuts will be extended as far as the eye can see into the future. It will always be a case of extend all or none and the overwhelming majority of pols will pick extend all. So, it isn’t just extended for two years.
BUT DON’T BLAME OBAMA!! Blame Pelosi and Reid. They knew EXACTLY what Obama promised and wanted back in early 2009. They could have, and should have, passed the extension of only the middle class cuts in February of 2009. They didn’t need ANY direction from Obama on it. They already knew what he wanted as he had spelled out numerous times.
They could have done it then without nary a peep from the GOP.
It is Pelosi and Reid who blew it. Not Obama. Pelosi and Reid put Obama in the position where he had to do it. Just like Pelosi lost the House, not Obama.
Put the blame in the right place.
Unfortunately, politics is about power, and power is sometimes hardball, alpha dog stuff, “Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead! Stomp the b******s!”
Do you really only see the Republican attempts at that as valid? Voters understand and respect hardball better than you think. Harry Truman played hardball against Republicans and won, defying them with vetoes, public denunciations, executive orders, and whatever. It wasn’t always pretty, but they eventually understood they had a fighter on their hands, when the voters rewarded him for it in 1948 …
I believe that Kumari has been sheltered from some of the harsh realities of life that others face and that perhaps she would think differently if she had to fend for herself. No slights against stay-at-home moms was intended.
Not that it matters, but my spouse is the breadwinner in our family and I am the stay-at-home spouse with two kids.
I’m a multi tasker. I can blame all three. :)
I would definitely say she isn’t thinking critically if she doesn’t realize how much a person’s luck plays into how well off they are quite often. You can be terribly smart but that doesn’t protect your job if the person in charge decides it is cheaper to outsource. You can work two jobs and still be making less than someone working less hard. You can have a great business plan at the wrong time and therefore fail.
The biggest difference between the rich and the poor isn’t their work ethic, or their social habits(Noelle Bush’s privilege didn’t protect her from drug issues, nor did Cheney’s money protect him from alcohol issues, or Bristol Palin’s mother’s money protect her from a teenage pregnancy out of wedlock) it’s the access to a safety net. Being well off seems to protect you more often from consequences that ripple throughout your life. Access to wealth offers you the option of private rehabilitation, a decent lawyer to defend you and get you a second chance or someone to watch your child or give you the opportunity to bring your story to the masses. For some reason there seems to be a mistaken element that just doesn’t get that the wealthy don’t deserve bigger breaks because they are superior, they have a responsibility to provide safety nets so that others have the same opportunity to succeed like they did.
kumari sez: “It is time to get back to work.”
I’ve been ready to go back to work for almost 2 years now–THERE ARE NO JOBS. NO ONE WILL HIRE ME.
Just how do you propose to fix THAT?
And every one of those poor souls you site has a cell phone.
Oh please…I started working on the farm at 7 yrs old. I put myself thru college. I have never had less than 2 jobs. I fought off leukemia. I have been thru more than everyone on this site combined. That is why I think the way I think..because I know that the human spirit is stronger than any of you have ever experienced. STOP with the VICTIM scenario.
Again I say..It’s time to get back to work.
http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/12/08/small-biz_killers_who_pays_for_jobless_benefits
Then look in the mirror and ask why. And it still, is not the Governments job to hold your hand.
You can wash windows, mow lawns, clean houses and offices. Start your own business..become an entrepreneur
Hey glogrrl! You wash my windows and I’ll wash your windows and we’ll both get rich!
How much do you charge to mow my frost-covered lawn?
There are two age-old reactions to successfully overcoming adversity, compassion for the similarly afflicted, or joining the afflictors. It’s a division as old as Job and the Bible, the Light and the Dark, or the wheat and the chaff. If you’ve been through all you claim, you’d better examine your heart, because you sound like you’ve made your choice, and it’s not the side of the angels …
Margaret, I would love to meet you. When and where????
At times when I have been laid off, I charge $100 to wash windows, inside and out, plus the blinds. I charge $65 to mow the lawn, and $75 to clean a house.
I am help people all of the time..at MY CHOICE..not the Governments. None of us gets points when we let the Govt. do our work for us. We must personally step up to the plate. I believe in philanthropy..personal philanthropy. That is why I want to keep more of my hard earned money..more to do good with
I would assume that the $65 is per month?
Either that or you are living somewhere where folks have way too much disposable income. I’m in Florida outside Tampa where the folks who do standing yard work as a full time job/business charge $70 to $100 per month year round and they come weekly for 7 – 8 months of the year and bi-weekly the rest.
And for that amount, they cut the lawn, trim the bushes and trees, collect the yard waste for disposal and everything else involved with the outside
I am not interested in getting rich..just making an honest living. Why do you want to be rich? I thought you hated rich people..at least that is what is spewed from this site every day..relentlessly
No but the place I work is always hiring
Did you personally go in to the office, or did you send out resumes? Resumes without personal backup doesn’t count.
I dont want your vision of this country to survive..that is true..I want a free Republic to survive
there is only one party inside the beltway..the Corporate Party