
A Glimpse Into the Future of NAFTA-Style Korea Free Trade (Don Farrall/Getty Images)
This morning the White House announced that the following noble protectors of American workers endorsed the NAFTA-style Korea Free Trade agreement:
US Chamber of Commerce CEO Tom Donohue; President of the National Association of Manufacturers John Engler; Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit; JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon; Amway CEO and top Republican funder Dick DeVos; Big Bank lobby group Financial Services Roundtable President Steve Bartlett; and more. [Also, the MPAA]
That’s an impressive array of people who are dedicated to protecting the ultra-rich and not giving a damn about real working Americans or American jobs. How could the Obama White House top that?
Here’s the second round of endorsements from the White House for NAFTA-style Korea Free Trade; mind you the White House is actually bragging about these names:
- PhRMA
- Wal-Mart
- RIAA
- AT&T
- Mitch McConnell
It’s like a party for the Corporate Axis of Evil, and Obama’s throwing a kegger.
New endorsements of NAFTA 2.0 below from the White House.
Below please see additional statements of support released for the U.S.-Korea Trade Agreement:
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell
“The President’s announcement is a positive development towards completing a free trade agreement with our ally South Korea that will promote economic opportunity and private sector job creation. The goal of improving market access for American farmers, entrepreneurs and manufacturers is one that the President and I share. We both agree that increasing markets overseas through trade agreements will create good jobs that are greatly needed at this time of high unemployment. I intend to support a strong agreement and am hopeful that with a more balanced Congress, we will see renewed support for this, and the other trade agreements that have been languishing for the past two years.”
Senator John Kerry
“I am happy to hear that the United States and South Korea have reached a deal on the Korea-U.S. Trade Agreement, and look forward to reviewing the pact and working hard to secure its early ratification. The Obama administration is sparing no effort to send Congress an agreement that can help create jobs and revitalize our economy, and I am pleased the President made the politically difficult decision to take the time to get this deal done right for America. I understand that there are beef export issues that have not been resolved and urge the administration to continue pushing for better access to the Korean market for American beef as we move forward.
“KORUS represents an opportunity to reaffirm our commitment to fair and open markets, and for the new Congress to demonstrate that in spite of today’s highly polarized political environment, bipartisan cooperation in the national interest remains attainable. New export opportunities in South Korea for U.S. companies will generate good paying American jobs and contribute to our economic recovery. Moreover, this agreement delivers an important message to an ever closer ally and the region at a time of uncertainty on the Korean Peninsula.
“For many, KORUS has become a symbol of the United States’ commitment to the region and our appreciation of its increasingly important role in international commerce. It is essential that the United States enhance its economic presence in Asia and compete on a level playing field with other exporters in the region. Ratification of KORUS is an important step forward that will have enormously positive economic and political implications for our country in the years ahead.”
Senator Maria Cantwell
“South Korea is Washington’s fifth largest export market, meaning any new trade agreement will spur new job and economic growth in our state,” said Senator Cantwell. “Passage of the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement would have enormous benefits for Washington, by making many U.S. food products duty-free – such as our world-class wheat, cherries, wine, and potatoes. I urge the negotiators discussing the remaining beef issue to work toward an agreement that will ensure American beef producers have full access to a Korean market potentially worth $1 billion to U.S. producers.”
Senator Saxby Chambliss
“Today’s announcement is a positive development and it is my hope it signals President Obama’s intention to submit the United States-South Korea Free Trade Agreement to Congress early next year.
“While the lack of progress on beef is of concern, the free trade agreement is a critical part in growing U.S. agriculture exports. In the weeks ahead, Korea needs to provide assurances to the United States how it intends to fully implement the 2008 Protocol consistent with their international obligations.
“I look forward to the upcoming debate in the Senate next year as well as action of the other pending free trade agreements with Colombia and Panama.”
Congressman Dave Reichert
“Today’s announcement by the President about the U.S.-South Korea free trade agreement is an important milestone for an agreement that has languished since its signing in June 2007,” Reichert said. “I applaud the efforts that have allowed us to reach this point. Opening new markets is a no-cost, proven stimulus that is essential to job creation. Each day we fail to implement this agreement is another missed opportunity to create hundreds of thousands of American jobs. Passing the KORUS FTA is vital to our nation’s economic recovery, reengagement in the Asia-Pacific region, and addressing security challenges on the Korean Peninsula. I look forward to working with Ambassador Kirk, my colleagues in Congress, and advocates across the country to broaden support for this agreement.”
Senator Jim Webb
“I am very gratified that this agreement has finally been reached after more than four years of negotiations between our two countries. The U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement will bolster the U.S. economy and send a strong signal to our ally, the Republic of Korea, and the rest of the region that the United States will follow through on its commitments and remain deeply engaged in East Asia.
“The Free Trade Agreement provides American businesses with new export opportunities to Korea and will support job protection and growth in the United States.
“I am looking forward to continuing my efforts to ensure this agreement is approved.”
AT&T Statement
“We are pleased that the U.S. and South Korean governments have been able to resolve the outstanding issues that hindered bringing this vital trade agreement to a close. The ongoing commitment to promote competition and encourage investment in global markets is crucial for companies like AT&T that are working tirelessly to meet the global 21st century communications needs of the customers we serve.
“AT&T looks forward to working with administration officials and the Congress to bring this important agreement to final completion.”
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) President and CEO John Castellani
“PhRMA welcomes the progress made on the pending Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement. This agreement recognizes the 60 years of partnership between our two countries and the important national security ties that we share. PhRMA has long viewed the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement as a terrific opportunity for Korean patients to access biopharmaceutical medicines produced in the United States. With rising living standards and increasingly sophisticated access to information, Korean patients, like patients everywhere, want access to the most advanced medical treatments.“We believe this Agreement, particularly the transparency and intellectual property provisions, represents a 21st century standard that should be a model for other agreements. Korea is an important market for the U.S. research-based pharmaceutical companies, a country where we currently enjoy a trade surplus. This agreement will contribute directly to increased U.S. exports and the expansion of highly skilled, well paying jobs here. PhRMA looks forward to the ratification of the Agreement by Congress in the next year.”
American Meat Institute President and CEO J. Patrick Boyle
“The American Meat Institute (AMI) supports the free trade agreement between the United States and South Korea announced today and urges the Congress to ratify it at its earliest opportunity. South Korea is already a major market for U.S. meat. Pork exports in 2010 are expected to exceed $150 million, making South Korea the fifth largest export market for pork. The tariff reduction schedule for pork will further strengthen the U.S. position in this important and growing market. Beef exports continue to grow, from 233 metric tons valued at $612,000 in 2006 to 56,000 metric tons valued at $56 million in 2009. Through the first nine months of the year, exports to South Korea are up 136 percent in volume and 181 percent in value. AMI estimates that once the FTA is fully implemented, beef and pork exports to South Korea could increase by $2 billion and resulting in more than 26,700 new American jobs. The growth in U.S. beef exports in recent years is due to the successful negotiations of the U.S. government and widespread Congressional support from leaders, such as Sen. Baucus (D-MT), for reopening the South Korean market to beef, which was closed from 2003 to 2007. AMI looks forward to working with our negotiators and Congressional allies to continue discussions with Korea to provide full access for all U.S. beef products.”
The American Automotive Policy Council (AAPC) Statement
Representing its member companies Chrysler Group LLC, Ford Motor Company and General Motors Company – appreciates President Barack Obama, Ambassador Ron Kirk and the office of the United States Trade Representative’s hard work to reach a deal improving the auto provisions of the pending Korea Free Trade Agreement. AAPC and its member companies support this agreement.
“We value the efforts of President Obama, Ambassador Kirk and the USTR negotiating team to revise the text of the agreement and thereby helping improve U.S. access to the Korean auto market,” AAPC Acting President Charles Uthus said.
Walmart Statement
“Walmart applauds the Administration for resolving the outstanding issues in the U.S. – Korea Free Trade Agreement. We believe that the agreement will lower trade barriers and create a more level playing field for U.S. services and manufacturing exports. We look forward to working with the Administration and Congress to secure passage of the Korea agreement, as well as the pending free trade agreements with Panama and Colombia in the near future.”
Ernst & Young Chairman and CEO James S. Turley
“For the United States, this trade agreement will yield exports, and those exports will yield jobs. Such negotiated agreements are key to competitiveness in what is clearly a global marketplace. The United States has been a party to fewer than twenty of the hundreds of bilateral and regional trade agreements that exist around the world today. That has to change, and this agreement is a critical part of a move in the right direction. I applaud the Administration for coming to this agreement with South Korea and urge Congress to approve it promptly.”
National Pork Producers Council President Sam Carney
“We’ve worked particularly hard the past several years to get a good deal for U.S. pork in the FTA with South Korea,” said Carney. “We had that but to get a final agreement, we needed to give a little, we needed to take one for the team. This is still a good deal for us.”
At NPPC’s insistence, the United States had negotiated in the agreement that was signed June 30, 2007, a zero tariff rate on most pork products going into South Korea effective Jan. 1, 2014, the same date Chile’s pork and 30 months before the European Union’s goes to a zero duty. Chile’s FTA with South Korea was implemented in 2004; the EU’s agreement will be in force July 1, 2011.
The U.S.-South Korea FTA had been held up mostly because of issues related to trade in beef and automobiles. The logjam was broken when U.S. pork producers agreed to move back the effective date on the zero tariff rate on some cuts of pork to Jan. 1, 2016.
“With the date for a zero tariff on pork moved back, we likely will lose some market share in the South Korean market to Chile,” Carney said. “But as the lowest-cost producer of pork in the world, we’ll hold our own. We still will go to zero six months prior to the EU.”
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) Executive Vice President (International) Neil Turkewitz
“We are extremely pleased that a breakthrough has been reached that will hopefully permit the rapid consideration and ratification of the Korea-US Free Trade Agreement. This agreement has already been publicly endorsed by various organizations, unions and businesses in the entertainment sector. International markets are vital to US companies and workers, and we strongly support the negotiation of trade agreements that protect intellectual property, lower market access barriers to U.S. creative products and services, and promote legitimate electronic commerce. America’s music sector has been badly affected by piracy for decades. Today we face a problem of unprecedented scale. While the digital revolution has created new ways for us to reach consumers with compelling products and content, this same technology has also facilitated the work of those who profit from stealing ideas, innovation and creativity. Achieving enhanced global standards of copyright protection and enforcement, ensuring meaningful market access, and developing trade disciplines that keep pace with technological development are all central to our ability to remain competitive and to continue to ensure good jobs for America’s creative community. The Korea-U.S. FTA succeeds in helping to address these challenges in ways that not only bring continued high levels of protection in Korea but also set important precedents for future free trade agreements. This agreement provides modern standards of copyright protection for the digital age, and requires both parties to ensure that protection is meaningful in practice through effective enforcement. We highlight in particular the very important commitments undertaken by Korea with respect to addressing internet piracy. These commitments are central to our shared objectives of combating the online theft of creative content. We laud the government of Korea’s commitment to tackle Internet piracy and we believe that such provisions should be replicated in any and all future FTAs or agreements that address intellectual property protection. In short, we strongly support the agreement, and hope that Congress will ratify it as quickly as possible. More broadly, we strongly support continuing efforts to pursue simultaneous liberalization and the strengthening intellectual property protections through bilateral, regional, and multilateral trade negotiations. For decades, the expansion of trade and the protection of intellectual property have been cornerstones of a bipartisan economic policy. The ability of our country to lead –the ability of our companies to lead and to create employment– will depend upon our continued success.”
Entertainment Industry Coalition Statements
Elizabeth Frazee, Executive Director of the EIC said, “Today’s announcement paves the way for passage of the U.S.-Korea FTA. This groundbreaking agreement will advance the interests of the U.S. entertainment industry, a source of well-paying U.S. jobs and the foundation of the U.S. creative economy. We will work hard as a coalition to educate the U.S. Congress about the benefits of the agreement and urge its rapid consideration in Congress.”
“Considering the vital role international markets play in the success of the American entertainment industry, we strongly support efforts to break down market access barriers and curtail content theft that hinders our industry’s growth abroad,” said Greg Frazier, MPAA Executive Vice President and Chief Policy Officer. “We are very pleased that the outstanding issues that stood in the way of ratification of this agreement have been resolved.”
Neil Turkewitz, RIAA Executive Vice President, International remarked, “The Korea FTA provides specific references to the need to prosecute not only direct infringers, but also those who ‘profit from developing and maintaining services that effectively induce infringement.’ Korea also undertook to provide legal incentives for service providers to cooperate with right holders in deterring piracy. In doing so, Korea has taken a significant step toward a more effective system for combating the high levels of online copyright infringement that currently prevail, and we strongly endorse this agreement.”
“The Independent Film & Television Alliance strongly supports this Agreement with the Republic of Korea, an important marketplace for independent producers and distributors, and we were pleased that Presidents Obama and Lee have pledged to move forward,” said Susan Cleary, IFTA’s Vice President & General Counsel. “Thanks to the cooperation between our respective governments, this FTA will promote greater marketplace access opportunities and ensure vitally important content protection safeguards for all producers and distributors.”
“The Korea FTA reflects the deepest consideration of online commerce and intellectual property issues between the parties to date,” said Stevan Mitchell, Vice President of Intellectual Property Policy for the Entertainment Software Association. “These provisions are of long-term and growing significance, and include duty-free treatment of digital downloads and nondiscriminatory treatment of entertainment software products.”




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Thanks for the post, Michael.
Wow, Maria Cantwell and Dave Reichert on the same page. This should give all us Wa. unemployed a job opportunity in Agriculture. Thanks, Maria ! I was almost starting to warm up to her.
Well now, we’ll be seein’ y’all in the fields. That produce don’t pick itself.
None dare call it treason
Its no longer the Democrats against the Republicans its the wealthy and elite against the workers and the poor.
Somebody said it best, the money party against the people party.
And the people party is loosing big time.
So what you are saying is that all those people and groups are wrong and you are right? Really?
Presumably folks like those at Walmart, AT&T, PhRMA, and RIAA support a trade deal like this because it accrues benefits to their companies and organizations.
What makes you think that something that benefits companies and organizations like Walmart or AT&T or PhRMA would offer anything of value to the average worker in the US? Especially when the official unemployment rate is sitting at 9.8% and the most likely actual unemployment/underemployment rate is nearly double that?
Like it or not, companies and organizations like you mention create jobs and employ lots and lots of people. They take the risks of starting and running a business and the stronger they are the better we are overall.
Or would you prefer they be weak and uncompetitive which would likely cause them to fail – who would provide the jobs then? How much worse would unemployment/underemployment be then?
Sounds like Limbaugh 101. Take your trolling elsewhere.
Think any of these members of Congress will hear from any constituents about this?
Hey, that brings back an old story–back when he was a young man growing up in Washington, Justice William Douglas used to hop freight trains around the state to go pick apples.
They don’t make Supreme Court justices like that anymore.
Let’s see, those people are making all that money. So they must be right?
Clearly, vore, in your belief system, you consider money more important than human beings.
Which is precisely what Michael’s post is about.
You probably believe that some people are special, a natural elite, if you will, and that everyone else is stupid or worthless … because they are not rich.
Yes?
No?
What do YOU think?
DW
Maybe you should get a job at one of those companies. Clearly you’ve never actually heard about W*lM*rt’s pay scale and job conditions, even though they’re being sued – again – for labor law violations.
It must be making them hurt; we’ve been getting more trolls lately, everywhere.
Most of these are people and organizations any Democratic president would be proud to have oppose him. That Obama is proud to enlist, and trumpet, the support of Walmart, AT&T, the Chamber of Congress, Mitch McConnell, and the Ponzi schemers at Amway and the Bankster criminal syndicate tells us everything we need to know about him.
I’m done with Obama, because it appears he’s done with me.
Actually, Teddy, Barack Obama is a man of great “principle”:
He will do virtually anything for money.
DW
When is Obama going to quit playing this charade and just switch parties? I’m hoping real soon.
Let us call it what it truly is, elpasobirdman; treason … most foul.
Seriously.
DW
“You probably believe that some people are special, a natural elite, if you will, and that everyone else is stupid or worthless … because they are not rich.
Yes?
No?
What do YOU think?”
Being rich does not make you special it just makes you rich. There are plenty of people who are rich who are pieces of shit, same with poor people and those in between – people are people.
I don’t consider money more important than people but by the same token money is very important and to pretend otherwise is foolish.
The companies being railed against are doing what is in their best interest and clearly lots of others believe so as well. Which brings me to my original point, why are they all wrong and you all right?
Remember they are in the position of decision-making – like it or not, they earned and can make it. If you don’t like it, then work hard and get yourself in the decision-making position then you can decide what’s best – really very simple.
Well, if at first you don’t succeed try..and try again..
Wal-Mart Selling Stores and Leaving South Korea – New York TimesMay 23, 2006 … “Wal-Mart is a typical example of a global giant who has failed to localize its operations in South Korea,” Na Hong Seok, an analyst at Good …
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/…/23shop.html – Similar
-Wal -Mart Hits Global PotholeAug 2, 2006 … What happened in Germany—and in South Korea, where Wal-Mart … Retail analysts say that Wal-Mart failed to adapt sufficiently to the German …
retailtrafficmag.com › News Articles – Cached – Similar
USATODAY.com – Wal-Mart pulls out of South Korea, sells 16 storesMay 22, 2006 … Wal-Mart Korea, established in 1998, is a wholly owned subsidiary of … “They failed to attract customers to the stores,” said S.K. Lee, …
http://www.usatoday.com/…/2006-05-22-walmart-korea_x.htm – Cached – Similar
Obama’s sympathy with the likes of PhRMA and RIAA is not new. Probably the case for the rest.
Dee Dub, you meant most fowl, didn’t you? *G*
The Wal Mart pay scale is appropriate for the work being done – otherwise they wouldn’t be able to find people to work there now would they?
It’s a skill based pay scale – the greater the skill, the more intense the requirements to be qualified, the more you earn.
OT: elpasobirdman, can you share your zip code with me?
Jeebus. It sounds like a who’s who of union busters and job outsourcers.
“Vorarephilia (often shortened to vore) is a sexual fetish and paraphilia where arousal occurs from the idea of being eaten or by the process of eating.”
Care to expound on the payscale for the Wall Street thiefs and thugs-or the robosigners hired for fraudulent mortgages?
Oops… they DID hire WalMart workers to sign mortgages for MERS ,now didn’t they?
Hhhm, care to revise your comment,VORE?
At 17 percent unemployment and under employment, no, I doubt they are having trouble finding
slaveslabor.Meanwhile, somewhere in DC…
Some POTUS advisor, red-faced and coffee-high:
“But won’t it look really bad to do a NAFTA 2.0 thing with unemployment hovering around 10%? Mr. President, the People are screaming for jobs!”
Some POTUS, gazing serenely through the window at the fog rolling off the WH lawn:
“Well perhaps we should reduce the off-shoring incentives after all. Maybe a reduction in minimum wage to $1/hr? Clear it with Mr Warbucks first, though.”
This is Republican supply side garbage, proven to be a totally failed theory.
“Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely”
John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902)
“Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it”
William Pitt, the Elder, The Earl of Chatham and British Prime Minister from 1766 to 1778
“They” did not “earn” it.
Yes “they” have power … because they own the law.
“Citizens United” is deep into Dred Scott territory.
And the stranglehold of the wealthy and powerful, the government-corporate cullusion will cheapen your life and narrow your possibilities, unless you believe that you will be one of the elites, just as it will limit and enslave the majority.
We face a heartless neo-feudalism, vore, its ONLY value is money and the power that arises from it.
My perception is that if you, personally, do not embrace this money-premised philosophy then you will be as much its victim as anyone else who is not sociopathic in nature.
Money represents wealth, it is NOT wealth itself, and we, in America now create no new wealth, we do, we cannot, now, even make what we need.
We have been deliberately made vulnerbale AND bankrupt by the money-people.
DW
I wavered.
;~DW
VORE: Voice Of Republican Elitism
I guess that means you enjoy working for minimum wage, and off the clock for no pay instead of getting overtime.
Or else you’re deliberately unaware of labor laws and what they require. Which wouldn’t surprise me for anyone who is such a believer in all the GOP propaganda.
You waivered…
Also a Death Metal band.
FIFY.
MY fingers and eyeballs are in business for themselves … i …
DW
Are we reduced to begging outside the castles for jobs – like the elite “good old days?”
Should we bring our new bride to the local lord and master, as well?
The great American inferiority complex is endemic.
Hey, don’t worry it will work out great just like Clinton’s did starting the whole globalization process with NAFTA. Clinton Jr. I guess he could do worse? “Bush-lite?” Obama seems to be playing a planetary chess game that I don’t know. I’m unfamiliar with the rules and powerless in the outcome. He has his own agenda. Slipslidn Away.
No doubt! And effective unemployment likely around 20%. Unbelievable waste.
Of course my fictional POTUS advisor would use the kool-aid number ;-)
Cass Sunstein is gonna be callin’ on you for spilling state’s secrets, marc5, you are revealing the “Official History” too soon.
DW
“The modern Conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophies; which is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness”
…JK Galbraith
These pols seems extremely out of touch. Didn’t the Tea Party folks just win a bunch of seats in Congress because they supposedly oppose free trade? I wonder how those newly minted Senators are going to respond to McConnell. Would be nice if this bipartisan effort to expand more trade agreements when we really have to rethink what has happened under existing agreements were quashed by a few decent Democrats in Congress and the Tea Party folks. That’s a bipartisan effort I could support. Doubt it will happen, though. They all hate free trade until their elected.
How many of these jobs pay living wages?
Offshored and outsourced?
Tsk ..tsk.
If I were the Rs, I would say, no conditions on extending tax cuts. Just to fuck with the guy, see what he would really do.
Yup. Hence the love of these persons, so many of whom claim to be deeply religious, for the atheist priestess of selfishness and sadomasochism Ayn Rand.
You know Vore it’s not that some of what your saying isn’t correct it’s the tone and the cold smug arrogance I smell behind it that is so annoying. You either have no idea how destructive the world your Corp. pals are creating for THEMSELVES really is or you agree with all of it. That’s what pisses some of us here off. If you had to live with the wreckage, if you had watched as your own job, house, life savings and the rest disappeared behind these policies you’d be singing a different tune. Just remember this pal life happens fast and you might be on top now and thinking your shit doesn’t stink, but it can all change in a heart beat. Take it from one who knows. You’ll remember this when it happens and then that smug little smirk will disappear off your fat cheeks.
You nailed it, Teddy:
That is what I’m trying to say. Fundamentally, with about 10% unemployment and no sign of light at the end of this economic tunnel, anything that JP Morgan, Wal-Mart, Citigroup, the Chamber, et al support CANNOT be in the interest of people who need help the most.
VORE, that’s exactly what I’m trying to say.
Edit: Also: fuck those guys.
Is a South African trade treaty on the horizon?
Newsmaker: Grant Pattison: Ceo of Massmart
19 hours ago
Walmart’s $2.3-billion (R16.5-billion) offer for 51% of Massmart was the culmination of 10 years of thinking and planning by the South African retailer. …Times LIVE – 6 related articles
South African Union Opposes Wal-Mart Buy Of Massmart
Wall Street Journal -
►Wal-Mart to buy 51 percent of South Africa company – Yahoo! NewsNov 29, 2010 … Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is buying a controlling stake in South Africa’s Massmart in a 17 billion rand (approximately $2 billion) deal.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101129/ap_on…/af_wal_mart_massmart – Cached
Most of them didn’t “earn” it — they inherited it. Warren Buffett’s one of the very few of the lot who didn’t already start out rich.
The Waltons: Born rich. The Koches: Born rich (and with a father who founded the John Birch Society). Bill Gates: Father was the name partner in Seattle’s most prestigious white-shoe law firm, which meant he not only had access to boatloads of money for his startup company, but tons of top-flight legal assistance as well.
I want corporate immunity.
With top-down control.
A hierarchy with the essential ME at the controls.
Trouble is them neurons is synapsing ‘tween themselves and talkin’ ’bout revolution countin’ me out …
It’s perplexicating and English is sounding stranger all of the time … why even words don’t mean what they used to … Gitchee.
;~DW
Not just Korea, but right after the election Obama went to India for a free trade agreement that was supposed to create jobs. Obama is dead wrong to believe his base will automatically even vote for him, let alone work hard and contribute money, after he has constantly ignored and insulted them while always being ready to compromise with republicans. Sound bites of many trivialities he has done to replace real change will not suffice. Right now I would prefer a republican we could hold accountable over an Obama we have to make excuses for. Perhaps he thinks with all the new republican votes he will get he does not need his base. Good luck with that.
Mods, Caturday’s not showing up on “myFDL Recent Diaries.”
Hi, DWB Mended yet?
I is, mostly so, SD.
Belated launch-date congrats and appreciations.
Was planning to visit you over Caturday way and wondered where it was.
;~DW
I am an agnostic on this particular matter.
However, having read the thread, I was surprised that you chose to disparage Vore for “cold smug arrogance.” How would you characterize the tone of your comment? I guess a phrase like “that smug little smirk will disappear off your fat cheeks” falls in the category of warm caring humility.
I am glad people like Vore come here and express their opinions.
The question isn’t whether what they are doing in the their own self interest is “right” for them. The question is whether it’s “right” for society. If you don’t think that those two things diverge in a capitalist society, I suggest you read Adam Smith.
econobuzz, thank you. you nailed it.
Perhaps you aren’t aware that hundreds of U.S. multinational banks and corporations use tax havens to reduce or eliminate their taxes and shift tax responsibilities onto the backs of domestic businesses and individual taxpayers resulting in an unlevel playing field that penalizes businesses that responsibly pay their taxes. So, no, making some of the “players” here “stronger” does not automatically translate to better outcomes for citizens in the U.S.
Malcolm Gladwell has a very interesting perspective on power, success, and wealth in his book “Outliers”.
These are the questions this time and this society must answer.
One hopes the answers will be informed.
The complete Adam Smith would be the place to “start”, not the Chicago Version of Adam Smith.
Well “nailed”, econobuzz.
DW
“Most of them didn’t “earn” it — they inherited it.”
Plus those who didn’t inherit it, didn’t “earn” it on their own. They might have been lucky enough to win the lottery of who was the first with the patent of a new money making product or idea, one that was ready to happen due to the ongoing increase of knowledge and innovation in a culture. For example we know of at least three people who “invented” radio at the same time but only one got the patent. There are no Atlases; there are only a bunch of us all standing on the shoulders of others who are standing on the shoulders of others. Chance determines which one of us happens to get the label of the Atlas.
Also no one earns a fortune on their own. They are just the ones who succeed based on the work of others and the infrastructure that is paid by others. All wealth is created by labor. That’s not Marx; that’s Adam Smith. Those who become wealthy can only become so by paying others less for their labor than the wealth labor creates.
The “vile maxim”, LibWing, for sure.
DW
The mega corporations continue to try to force themselves down everyone’s throat. Profit-driven business models FAIL consumers because they are parasites, not symbiotic.
I’m pushing my congresscritters for Fair Trade, not Free Trade.
“Its no longer the Democrats against the Republicans its the wealthy and elite against the workers and the poor”
YES!and Im glad you see that now, and it matters nothing that it always has been.
Well, Warren Buffett’s dad Howard a Republican congressman, so he likely benefited from those ties on his way up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Buffett
Warren Buffett did propose the silver bullet response to any free trade agreement— an import certificate market:
Buffett’s plan proposes creating a market for transferable import certificates, (ICs) that would represent the right to import a certain dollar amount of goods into the United States. These transferable ICs would be issued to US exporters in an amount equal to the dollar amount of the goods they export and they could only be utilized once. They could be sold or traded to importers, who must purchase them in order to legally import goods into the USA. The price of ICs are set by (free-market) forces, and are therefore dependent on the balance between entrepreneurs’ willingness to pay the ICs market price for importing goods into the USA and the global volume of goods exported from the USA, (i.e. supply and demand).
Proceeds from the sale of ICs would encourage exporters (who would gain that extra money in addition to the proceeds of their exports) and discourage importers (who would need to pay the additional cost to acquire ICs as well as the cost to acquire the goods they are importing). This system would essentially create a broad-based tariff on imports to the United States, and subsidy for exports – compare cap and trade, which creates a similar market in pollution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Import_Certificates
double-post
Bernie Sanders on the new American War:
http://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/bernie-sanders-there-is-a-war-going-on-in-this-country-the-super-rich-against-the-rest-of-us/
Obama makes a good call and you people go nuts.
Go figure.
What party do the people have?
VORE is poisoned by the Ayn Rand Kool-Aid. He thinks this country never had more than 2 car companies. He doesn’t realize that mega-corporations, by economies of scale, have not created jobs, but simply appropriated them. He has so little imagination that he thinks no one but corporate executives can produce goods, and that somehow these executives, perhaps by glad-handing and bluster, without the assistance of any laborers, produce these products. He thinks it is more work to tell someone to make 500 units of something than to actually make 500 units of something; that it is working harder to tell someone to transport 16 tons of material than it is to actually transport that 16 tons of material; in other words, DELEGATING takes more effort than DOING. Obviously VORE has never really worked a day in his life. Played, connived, delegated, avoided, perhaps, but never did the work. He’s never realized that people are forced to work the jobs that are available, no matter if their skills are wasted, while those who have connived their ways to positions of power play irresponsibly. Vore, the country club is not a labor camp, Rockefeller got rich by strangling the national petroleum market, Gould got rich by strangling the national rail lines, Massey Coal has sent miners to their deaths for a few dollars more, and Bill Gates did not write DOS alone by light of a whale-oil lamp. When you do an honest day’s work, you’ll understand that John Gault was a fraud.
Classy
Actually, despite my opposing views, I think this site and its contributors are good – different views and push back on the machine is healthy.
As for the personal attack, while it is childish I can’t claim to be innocent in that regard myself. People being passionate about their beliefs is a good thing regardless of how wrong they maybe :)
Hah
Yeah it takes incredible “skill” to tank companies. That must be why all those CEOs have million dollar golden parachutes.
Bahahahahaha
Sorry, your argument is so ridiculous that I couldn’t hold it in.