someone downstairs made a great point about obama and re-election

when he loses the right wing are going to actually claim “he was too far to the left” even though the reverse is true

we absolutely have to primary him from the left to make it clear, he lost because he is too far to the right

bt has the great thread, that to save the democratic party we have to primary this man, I obviously agree and I think we have no choice

I hope Rep Sanchez holds to her position and doesn’t get bought off somehow

Obama is only interested in listening to what Republicans and his handlers tell him to. He is not interested in whining progressive congresspeople…when are they gonna get it…

He needs to be primaried for sure.

Dayhum! Jane Hamsher is on fire!

She is actually starting to mainstream and reveal the behind the curtains bullshit.

Methink, corprate america will try to buy her off, with a CNN job or other.

Please don’t fall for it Jane. Or at least take their money, and then do the opposite.

These provisions send jobs offshore and make it harder for American workers and companies to compete. Without changes to benefit working families in the 39th district of California, I cannot support this agreement.

Quotes like this should be headlines across the media, but of course, the corporate-owned rightwing media is hardly like to quote Sanchez. The little that I listen to/watch/read the rightwing media has indicated, as expected, only slavering praise for Obama’s offshoring of US jobs to Korea.

But surely some day somehow those Oligarchs will “create jobs” in the USA because of the Bush tax cuts, etc, ad nauseum….

The only problem I can see with a strong primary effort against Obama is that every time a sitting president has faced a strong challenge for his party’s nomination that president has gone on to lose the general election. Happened with Ford in 76 and Carter in 80. As much as I despise the “caver in chief” and his transformation into a damn Republican because of his lack of sack I can’t help but think we are just fucking doomed. The sell out on a nafta style agreement is an example. Jesus, is this administration flat fucking stupid or what?

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The CHAMBER approved the agreement. Who are we, as “lesser people”, entitled to complain.
Serfs in the Middle Ages at one point managed to secure more than 180 annual holidays from labor.
We have morons today who work 12 hours a day, six days a week, then later in life spend all their savings on a skilled nursing home at $100,000 a year per person.

Everyone in DC and outside of DC know Obama is not going to win 2012 so primarying OBAMA is our only hope.

Obama can’t win a city wide election without his liberal base, so the idea of him winning a national election is crazy!

Obama is done! GAME OVER!!

sending jobs overseas in the middle of a Depression? can we just call OBAMA DUMB and BUSH DUMBER, both are not smart

and your point is…?

from the Wikipedia bio of Sanchez:

“Sánchez was an attorney specializing in labor law prior to her public service career. In 1998, she joined the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) Local 441 and became a compliance officer. In 2000 she was unanimously elected to the position of Executive Secretary/Treasurer of the Orange County Central Labor Council.”

Go IBEW!!

And if he is not primaried then we get more of his pro-oligarchic bullshit… so we lose regardless.

Obama is simply not going to win the general unless our lords and masters set up Palin to take the fall. And they have no need to… just as they have no more need for Obama now.

The only problem I can see with a strong primary effort against Obama is that every time a sitting president has faced a strong challenge for his party’s nomination that president has gone on to lose the general election. Happened with Ford in 76 and Carter in 80. As much as I despise the “caver in chief” and his transformation into a damn Republican because of his lack of sack I can’t help but think we are just fucking doomed. The sell out on a nafta style agreement is an example. Jesus, is this administration flat fucking stupid or what?

Correlation doesn’t mean causation. It’s not that primaries weaken candidates, then they lose. Weak candidates require primaries because they’re weak and will lose.

I support Rep Sanchez and every other Democratic Representative or Senator that starts telling President Obama he’s fucking nuts!

you don’t quite understand, I don’t think a republican president can do the damage that this “democrat” can, he’s a corporatist, the democrats would have NEVER allowed his “tarp for banks” they would have NEVER allowed his “health for the health insurance industry bill” and they would have never allowed the crazy escalations of war

we had a majority and he used it to further corporate “trickle down” principles, these could not have possibly happend with a republican

I want obama out, less damage is going to be done when the democrats can mount actual opposition because it’s a different party

Good on Sanchez, but I remember all too well all the “lines drawn in the sand” by the Progressive Caucus during the HCR debacle. To a person, they caved. Rhetoric means nothing.

Good on Sanchez, but I remember all too well all the “lines drawn in the sand” by the Progressive Caucus during the HCR debacle. To a person, they caved. Rhetoric means nothing.

Amen.

They’re dumb like foxes. I have watched/listened to many of his campaign speeches and in retrospect, he used a lot of “wiggle” words in most of them. Malloy said right from the beginning he’s a sweet talking corporatist and not a liberal. That pissed me off at the time but history has proven Mike correct. Next time, if there is one, I will be much more discerning and analytical of anything a “progressive” has to say.

I never understood illogical statements in MSM till HCR reform when they were soliciting funds for the opinion in the articles( I saw invitation letter for the get-together on internet and also on a rival MSM). After that I understood MSM much better.

I am realizing as most of you When the FAR right policies are stated as FAR Left in MSM in a talking heads love fest it is simply a propaganda ruse to keep the uninformed more mis-informed and not let them to think through on how this policy affects food on their plate in the future.

Free Trade Agreement in Normal Economic Times without any Proof of History is Right Wing policy in my opinion.
Free Trade Agreement in Recession with Proof of Time is FAR Right policy in my opinion.

I have seen article after article showing that excessive violence related to Drugs in Mexico right now has been root-caused due to NAFTA where the traditional farmers have been displaced of their livelihood and took to this trade. It has been well documented and well researched. Cannot say more about American heartland. At-least some of you must have seen first hand how it has devastated your neighbourhoods. Now we have Proof of Time vindicating Mr. Ross Perot argument and disproving Pres. Clinton policy implementation. Now we want to go through the same road again disregarding the truth for helping some monopolies which should not have been existing in the first place grow even bigger both in Korea and USA. Now that is FAR Right approach in my opinion.

I worry about traditional Korean farmers who will be hit with this policy like a deer in Headlights and displaced and also American heartland which could potentially could be vaccumed out with whatever left after China finished the course.

Pres. Thomas Jefferson would have worried about the traditional Korean farmers and American heartland happiness i.e. humanity happiness and definately oppose the monopolies growing bigger. he always hated concentration of Power including Government. He looked at Government as a necessary evil for maintaining shared resources through taxes and chained it with constitution and bill of rights (Restating in his own words). Please spend a few minutes reading his quotes and in my opinion he was a great practical thinker and fighter( He was better at catching scams better than we know of and thats why our constitution & bill of rights which had his influence survived till this day with minimal changes). It will be worth your time and will give you lot of positive energy in my opinion.

Everybody can have a good, peaceful life doing things they like best and in the current economic climate I do not think free trade is the way to go in my opinion.

As someone who supported the healthcare compromise at the time, I can assure you there’s a big difference. I was willing to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt because I thought (rightly or wrongly) that he had worked miracles during the 2008 campaign. At this point, it has become quite clear that “compromise” is synonymous with caving.

you people need to stop this “primary him” nonsense. The Democratic Party bosses won’t allow it, where do you think obama gets his support…. duhhhh. Think 3rd party!!!!!!. geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz ……

Oh man, I am just so pissed, so mad at myself for being taken in by him! I used to think GWB was the worst in history, but this one is the cake topper. Did he ever say creating jobs for Americans in America is priority #1? Maybe the saddest thing is that when he is out, all that will be said is that we elected a black guy and look what a shitty job he did. THey’ll call him the affirmative action president, what else could you expect? We need to call for a continental congress to throw the bums out like Mitch McConnell (who looks chronically constipated) and elect Alan Grayson president.