It’s been clear for some time that President Obama made the political calculation that he does not want any of the Bush tax cuts to expire. He doesn’t want to be the guy in 2012 running for President on having “raised taxes during a time of recession.”
But the President also doesn’t want the political blowback of angering people who cheered him on the campaign trail when he promised to let the tax cuts expire. And so rather than just come out and just say that, he’s been actively trying to kill a Chuck Schumer deal to keep them from expiring on income of more than $1 million a year. It was a plan that put the GOP in an awkward position, and had thrown them off message in recent days — hard to be the people fighting for the 315,000 families who fall into that category over the 2 million set to lose their unemployment benefits by the end of the year.
The President argued against the Schumer deal, we are told, because he was concerned about “the cost [to the deficit] and the risk of redefining the middle class as those making over one million.”
Okay, let’s look at the numbers. I’ll use Jonathan Cohn’s, because they’re the most conservative I’ve seen:
| Proposal | Amount added to the deficit over 10 years | Cost of addition |
| Extending tax cuts on income up to $250,000 | $3.2 trillion | – |
| Extending tax cuts on income up to $1 million | $3.6 trillion | $400 billion |
| Extending all tax cuts | $4 trillion | $800 billion |
So the President who is “ready to accept” a deal to extend all tax cuts “temporarily,” at a cost of $4 trillion dollars to the deficit over 10 years, doesn’t want to accept a deal that would cost $3.6 trillion because it’s important to limit the cost to $3.2 trillion.
Come on. Let’s stop pretending. Obama didn’t want any of the tax cuts to expire, just as he didn’t want a public option in the health care bill. But he doesn’t want to say that, just like he didn’t want to say he had dealt away the public option. So once again, he expresses his “support” for the promises he made on the campaign trail, while he accepts the political reality that inevitably leads…. to what he really wants.
The hard part is always orchestrating the “political reality” that leaves Obama no option but to do the thing he really wanted anyway, especially when his party controls both houses of Congress (See: Countdown to Lieberman)
Obama is not a “poor negotiator,” as some would have. He’s getting exactly what he wants, just as he did in the health care bill. And the naked truth of his cynical charade has become horribly, gapingly obvious.
Did They Ever Want to Let the Tax Cuts Expire in the First Place? No.
If the stigma of raising taxes bugged you (it didn’t bug the last Democratic President, who won re-election after raising taxes) or if you thought the economy couldn’t take the hit, you could always go back with some shiny new “Obama tax cuts” later. You could have decoupled the tax cuts on the first $250,000 of income with the rest. You could have done any number of things. But the truth of the matter, the ugly truth, is that all that campaigning in 2006 and 2008 was a clown show. There was no real intention to raise taxes on millionaires.
According To Plan
If they had been serious about doing what Obama ran on they could have gotten it done as an economic imperative in the early heady months. And the Republicans would have had no choice but to vote for extending the middle class tax cuts a year and a half ago when the millionaire tax cut would have still been in place. The only reasonable explanation for not doing it is that the Dems never really wanted to decouple them in the first place.
Now we are told that the President is negotiating a “deal” that includes an extension of all the tax cuts — in exchange for extending unemployment benefits.
It appears that the plan, all along, was to hold the extension of unemployment benefits hostage so those in need can once again be used as the poster children for this “necessary” compromise. Last month, Nancy Pelosi held one of her famous dinner theater kabuki votes to extend unemployment benefits, and the final vote was 258-154. Which, under ordinary rules, would have meant passage. But because she brought it to the floor using legislative tactics that required 290 votes, it failed.
Pelosi did this, we’re told, to “portray Republicans as unsympathetic to the plight of Americans still struggling to seek employment, particularly as the holiday season is set to begin.” In reality, she used the unemployed to play a game of political one-upsmanship that assured they’d still be held hostage when a “deal” was struck to extend all the tax cuts under a “last minute crisis” at the end of the year.
The rich don’t want their tax breaks to end, so the poor are pulled in to act as human shields. It happens time and again, and I wish this is something our more conservative constituencies could understand: government efforts to “help the poor,” are never really meant to help the poor. At least not in recent memory. It’s just part of a PR campaign to facilitate the otherwise inexplicable looting of the taxpayer trough by powerful interests capable of buying political influence.
And so the noble sentiment of helping their victims will once again be used to paint a smiley face on the ugly, rapacious greed of the oligarchs. This despite the fact that only 26% of Americans want all the tax cuts extended. Even among Republicans, support for extending all the tax cuts is only 46% — less than half.
But as Michael Bennet said, the game is rigged.
So when the Senate finally comes to an “agreement,” we can all thank President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and the members of the Catfood Commission for their fine performances this holiday season. They worked together to stage an elaborate show for the benefit of the public to demonstrate that they care so very much about the deficit, even as they all colluded to dramatically expand it.
Bravo.




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I am SO not voting for these bastards in 2012.
Supposed to be “didn’t want” right?
God the White House must hate you Jane. There is no one–NO ONE–doing a better job day in, day out, of exposing their deceit.
Obama must be primaried. Who will do it? What are they doing now? How can I help?
With unemployment rising up to knock on the 10% door (it hit 9.8% in November) should we get the impression that more mercenary cannon fodder was needed in the tax breaks war?
Jane. Thanks for hammering on this. Knowing that these cuts add four trillion to the deficit, I just wanted to throw up when the Deficit Commission declared that they needed to get this same money by strip mining Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid and from raising taxes on the middle class! They are the biggest bunch of phonies. They bray about how the average Joe needs to be responsible and make sacrifices and then they throw a gala get out of taxes free party for the ruling class. Wreh………..ch!
Thanks for the catch! Yep, fixed.
I’m not a fan of the Schumer approach because it makes it near impossible for Democrats to ever raise taxes on anyone making a yearly income of less than one million but more than 250k ever again.
Also, dkos is reporting Biden supports House bill. Smells fishy to me, but what do I know.
It is taking a long time for liberals and progressives to find out there is no Santa Obama. That is not because Jane has not been doing such a superb job revealing the “tricky Dick” aspects of President Obama’s personality. She is continuing to convince more and more people about the duplicity of the current administration.
I would hate to see this happen, but it might be time for people to sit out the next election and let a saint of another side, Sarah Palin, take her shot at ruining the country. Maybe then the American people will understand how destructive our current economic system has become.
Maybe the American people do understand, but there is no one person, party or idea for us to coalesce around.
Any ideas are truly welcome.
I’ve stopped pretending long ago. Let there be gridlock and allow the whole Bush tax cuts to expire. Start afresh in the New Year.
If Palin were to win the nomination I believe Obama could win a write-in election.
And Ian Welsh on a similar theme.
With all this wheeling and dealing going on, I have yet to see unemployment extensions passed anywhere. Nor are any votes scheduled for it-just for tax cuts tomorrow in the Senate. So am I really going to believe Obama caved in for NOTHING??? We give tax cuts to zillionaires and zero for the unemployed?
WTF.
It’s my “bet” (based on no information; just my “gut feeling”) that JEB is next in line. The GOP/Tea Party will only use Palin in the primary to whip their base into a frenzy. But only time will tell….
He didn’t just fight to let the Bush tax cuts expire. He fought to have them REPEALED. He changed it to “expire” after he defeated Hillary in the primaries and didn’t have to fight for the progressive vote any longer. People forget that.
Wanna know what we’re all ignoring? The Estate Tax. And our ignorance is being used, right now, as a Trojan horse to drive through a permanent repeal.
I’ve a feeling that if the intertoobz had been the tool it is now St Ronnie of RayGuns would have never been re-elected.
Wasn’t that the point of McCain’s campaign? To guarantee victory for Obama. The selection of Palin we know was a slap in the face to Rove. But which traditional conservatives did the two of them appeal to? I can’t even imagine McCain voted for McCain.
I’m certain Palin voted for herself.
I do want to add that I absolutely think Schumer’s idea is garbage. It’s worse than Kabuki theater. It would be a “political” win to make the GOP look bad, nothing more. We CANNOT afford to extend ANY of the tax cuts (I have supported ALL of them expiring). Going up to a million is another sickening sell out. I expected more from Firedoglake, who wouldn’t hear of a compromise on public option. Sometimes I wonder if these posts from Jane are just meant to make Obama look bad (like he doesn’t do a good enough job of that all by himself).
As long as people keep accepting kabuki as the real thing, this game will continue.
Senator Harkin says it best, when Obama gets whathe wants tax cuts for the rich, by intentionally holding un-employment benefits hostage for millions of americans. Obama better pray! Sarah Palin wins the GOP nomination.
People thought Axelrod was leaving the White House early to help Obama, No Axelrod is leaving the White House early to help the Sarah Palin campaign for 2012.
The Joke below applies to OBAMA!!!
Once upon a time a congressman went to heaven.
St Peters told the congressman he was going to have to spend one day in heaven and one day in hell
St. Peters told the congressman he would have to spend his first day in hell.
the congressman got on the elevator and went down to hell
once the congress man got to hell, he saw this lovely golf course, he saw all his friends playing golf, so he played 36 holes of golf with his friends, and had a couple of beers.
the next day he went to heaven
in heaven all he saw was angels, and people sitting around playing flutes.
so the congressman told St Peters he like Hell better
so the congressman gets on the elevator and goes back down to hell, this time when he gets off the elevator in hell, he looks and all he see is fire and people beating on rocks
his buddy tells him the first time you came down hell we were Campaigning! :)
welcome to hell!
“…with a Baucus amendment that includes several additional items such as UI extension, AMT relief, estate tax, 1099 repeal, making work pay credit, and others.”
The above is from Dave Dayen’s post earlier today. I’d sure like to see the specifics on the 1099 repeal. I believe the estate tax calls for no tax on the first $3 million (because this will benefit SO MANY of us).
And we’re going to get ALL of them extended.
Do you understand this?
Excellent analysis, Jane.
I’m in the let them all expire camp because everything involving large amounts of money that Obama touches he seems to make things better for the rich.
There should be no temp ext beyond one year – and that extension should include the stimulus tax cuts for the poor (child credit redefine etc) plus a one year extension of the 99 week UE program.
Making thing perm is not required for anything given the fact the temp Bush tax cuts lasted 10 years – and are likely to be renewed. I am likely to not live to see the end of the next “temp” law so this nonsense about trading “perm” for one part of Bush cuts for Temp for the cuts for the rich is just a song and dance that I do not need to watch.
Thanks a lot for screwing over the middle class and the American economy.
Jane, thank you for your tenacity in exposing them and calling them out.
Ah ha! We need to stop thinking like this. Thinking in a framework of “caving” is how we get so many people wondering what’s wrong with Obama….all the while Jane and the FDL crew are exposing it for what it is.
The man doesn’t share our values. He isn’t caving. This is what he wants. The caving framework reinforces the notion that he cares, but for whatever reason is impotent. Starting from that frame is how we get people that are otherwise intelligent and reasonable an intellectual foothold to defend his actions.
Say what it is: policy. The president is creating the policy he wants. What…he…wants. Not caving.
Uh-uh. Don’t think so. Very bad economic times are ahead and whoever the Pres. is will be despised. Palin or Rand Paul would do. Or Obama for a second term. Note the glowing review from GWB the other day. Jeb will probably be the one elected after the food riots – to restore faith in America.
Should something truly worthy of our owners’ attention, such as if global warming really takes off or WWIII is deemed necessary for global corporate wealth generation then, why, of course a Bush would lead us through. They always have. They always will. They are where the money is.
The sad part is some folks think cars are trivial to repair just because they pony up the big bucks to manufacture them.
It’s no secret as to how Obama operates on policy matters. The guy is clearly a cynical, lying, master manipulator. That’s how he uses his so called great intellect. What a glorious waste of humanity.
the only person on stage that could stop Obama on the left in 2012 is Hillary – and she seems to have had it with the left and refuses to run for elective office again.
Obama is therefore playing the other fellow – or lady – is worse card – - and I expect he will win re-election in 2012 with that card.
jesus christ in a soup line, that headline says it all
I agree with you, Jane, that ALL the Bush tax cuts will be extended and probably indefinitely ad nauseum. I think many of us realized that a loooong time ago. Having even the slightest expectation that Obamaco will do what’s “best” for the nation is to simply set oneself up to have one’s expectations dashed over & over again.
Thanks for your very incisive commentary and for continuing to keep us all informed. I agree that the so-called “Kabuki show” will continue as long as citizens “accept” it and/or don’t protest, which is more or less what’s happening now, sadly.
You make a good point re JEB… one way or another, I shudder to realize that he’s lurking out there in our collective political future… ick…
Huh? From my perspective, Jane has been bold, out front and correct on all the big issues. Her observations and assertions have nothing to do with making Obama look bad, and everything to do with cutting through the din and bullshit and stating the reality as it actually is, rather than how we’d like for it to be. I only wish some of the other high-profile bloggers had been bold and/or insightful enough to get on the bus many months back. Better late than never, though…
Nope, say hello to President Barbour
Since you brought up JC, I’m reminded of this quote: ):
“Plato told Aristotle no one should make more than five times the pay of the lowest member of society. J.P. Morgan said 20 times. Jesus advocated a negative differential – that’s why they killed him.”
Thank you for saying this. For your honesty and courage. Sadly, many Obamabots still cling to their fantasy of a progressive President. I noticed that Taylor Marsh in her scathing comments today referred to Obama’s interview in 2007 with George Stephanopoulos in which he admitted that he was a bluedog conservative. I, for one, should have done my homework on this man.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/2007/05/14/obamas-kumbaya/
I think that Jane is just *telling the truth* and being *factual.*
If TRUTH & FACTS serve to make Obamaco “look bad,” well, uh… there it is… then Obama and his policies, admin, proposals & programs ARE bad. It’s called living in reality, imo.
Obama needs no help from Jane to make himself look bad.
I think a Palin nomination would get us pissed off base to the voting booths. That’s the only circumstance in which I would vote for Obama again. Palin truly terrifies me.
Don’t beat yourself up too badly. The choices were limited. Many of us had some real issues with Obama, but speaking for myself alone, I drank the Sarah Palin horror show Kool Aid and held my nose & voted for Obama based on the LIES he told during his campaign.
The point now is: live & learn.
Why? Just curious.
Even Daily Kos is starting to rip him for the corporate sellout that he is. If he’s losing them…
I will not vote for Obama even then.
She doesn’t have to make him look bad. He does a great job at that all by himself.
— some guy
Geez, you had to say that just when I was thinking of lunch. It won’t be Haley. He not only has a southern accent (which many people hate) but he talks as if he had a mouth full of rocks. He may campaign but no one understand what he’s saying. Besides that, he’s a thug.
Frankly, me either. Most likely, I will also not vote for any ReThug candidate, whether Palin or someone else. But there are always third party candidates, and I feel we need to concentrate on those.
heh… well I thought that for most rightwingers, that’s considered a great feature to be lauded and voted for (not really snark, unfortunately).
So free haircuts for everybody, then? That’s something, I guess.
Actually, my money is on the ultra-crazy candidate (Sarah), and the somewhat less ultra-crazy candidate (Romney, maybe) scrapping a bit at the convention (or before). When it becomes apparent that the tap dancing is not going to quietly resolve, Jeb Bush will waltz in as mediator, healer, and savior of the party. #2 on the ticket? Dunno. John McCain, maybe? We definitely need someone who’s all Mavericky.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
And photogenic only in the “John Edwards look after he got caught” sense. He gives me the creeps.
What we progressives must understand when reading what Jane states so clearly.
“Obama Using Unemployed As an Excuse To Get What He Wanted All Along Tax Cuts for the Rich”
who is not saying this! What Jane saying is very true!
but
is anyone on CBS news saying this? NO (Walter Cronkite must be turning over in his grave)
is anyone at NBC, ABC, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, saying this? no
the masses of the USA are not DUMB! they are just constantly lied to by the so call news media, that suppose to protect them from elites.
well it is time to face the other BIG REALITY in the USA, the media that people thinks cares about them, does not care about them!
it will be important for intelligent progressives to educate Tea Party leaders, the same way we are trying to educate our base. Or this merry go round will not stop.
Exactly right. We need to find a consensus candidate who will run on all the things that Obama did wrong from a progressive point of view. By voting for such a candidate, each and every one of our votes would speak clearly as to what we think of Obama.
I think at this point McCain is even too old & too frackin nutty for the rightwing. The ‘Baggerz hate him & always have, and the mainstream gave up on him after the last POTUS campaign when it was clear that he was a mess in so many ways.
Palin will almost definitely be in for the primary, and clearly Mittens gearing himself up….
a thug and a crook
That nine dimensional chess game Obama has been playing wasn’t against the Republicans but rather against the working and middle class.
At this stage, third party is the ONLY way to go, and we need to work together very hard on this. I’m ready.
BINGO!!!!!
Some of us here are working on it. I’ve written an entire series of diaries on Dump Obama, while themalcontent has been leading our organizing efforts, including candidate recruitment and platform development.
Quite agree with all that you say but hard to say how to get out and educate folks. The rightwing corporate-owned media is very very powerful, and it’s the main place where citizens get their “nooz.” Hard to know how to combat that esp as they’ve co-opted even NPR (and MSNBC, for all that it has *some* good info on it, is not particularly all that great for educating citizens on what’s *really* going on).
Palin/McCain
Less of the same?
Break the mirror?
New! Improved! More Mavericky (TM)?!?
The mind boggles.
there is also ample evidence out there that maybe we should be less focused on national electoral politics and get ourselves organized as successful movements have in the past
not making anyone wrong Knox – it’s just something that keeps coming up for me. and it comes from the same people who were right about this President long before he got elected
here’s a sample of what I’m talking about and as always, I blame that Hamsher woman for introducing me to their work :D
Firebagger.
Maybe that would happen. But if unemployment stays at around 10%, Obama is going to have a lot of explaining to do. Even Palin might beat a guy who cannot seem to care about tens of millions of unemployed people. The media limelight that was supposed to have melted her in 2008 seems to only make her stronger since. And make no mistake, unemployment is second to everything else on that list Obama said he keeps in his pocket.
heh… good quote. Well, with some “christians” out there busily re-writing the Bible to be more “conservative,” it’s pretty clear that if the prophet Jesus showed up today, he’d most likely be labeled the anti-christ by some religious groups & possibly imprisoned or worse… or at the least labeled & ostracized as waaaay too socialistnazistalinist etc.
The cleverness and cunning behind running Obama as the candidate of “Hope and Change” makes the electorate cynical of future candidates running on a platform of change.
Absolutely Rovian, isn’t it?
Yup, Obama is doing/getting exactly what he wants. He’s a right-wing Republican in an ill-fitting and despised Democrat suit.
“A man who wants something will find a way; a man who doesn’t will find an excuse.” – Stephen Dolley, Jr.
Personally I wouldn’t vote for Obama again even if Sarah Palin were running against him. At least with her we have the hope she’d quit halfway through her term.
Because she is not remotely qualified to be president. With the press falling all over themselves to cover her, with her high profile, she really could get the nomination. Hopefully her lousy work ethic, hard HARD right idealogies, lack of knowledge about almost everything and folks will see what a train wreck she would be as president.
Yes. As loathsome as the Grifter is, she does push out the message about being little Ms. I-care-so-much-for-the-average-person-who’s-hurting. We all know she’s an abject liar, but her slavering minions buy her b.s. by the crop load. If Palin keeps up that meme, her fan-base will definitely turn out in droves to vote for her.
I don’t know why anyone thought Obama was telling the truth about repealing the Bush tax cuts on the rich, just because he said so in the campaign. Look who his largest donors were: Goldman Sachs employees. Those people don’t want their taxes raised. They elected a guy who won’t.
Is there a campaign promise Obama has actually kept? Not to gays, not to women, not to Latinos, not to labor, not to taxpayers, not to the unemployed.
It’s become a badge of honor now.
And we’re having to print thousands of these badges, as the boosterclubbers recognize we were right all along.
I definitely get what you’re saying and don’t disagree at all. However, should the Grifter ever get elected POTUS (which I doubt will happen), she will merely be the “front” person. Palin in no way will make one iota of a decision; she will be “run” by powerful forces behind the scene… much as Bush was, and much as Obama IS today.
That’s why I am not as “bothered” by the Grifter running for POTUS. I don’t see it mattering much because I don’t believe that the POTUS makes many decisions anymore. Just my opinion.
But isn’t that exactly how Obama campaigned? And didn’t we believe him? And we certainly turned out in droves to vote for him.
Of course they’re getting fooled, but so did we.
Agree. About the time Obama picked Rahm, I figured the tax cuts were here to stay. Didn’t take long. Once Geithner & Summers came on the scene, well… ’nuff said.
Just think the less politically addicted amongst our populace were unable to read these very obvious “tea leaves.”
Along those lines …
http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/11/bush-i-probably-wont-even-vote-for-mccain/
I’m getting around to your camp on this. People with jobs can pay more, and the unemployed aren’t damaged. The only problem is whether it will hurt demand/consumption, which I think may be a problem.
To be fair, they’re going to call him a President Who Raised Taxes During A Recession regardless of what he does. There’s no political win here for Obama, there’s just a bunch of money for rich people.
I don’t believe it’s an electoral calculation. Those who get the cuts aren’t voting Republican. The only people who will remember this in two years are the rich who got the money and those who are angry about it. It’s just more theft from future taxpayers on behalf of present tax dodgers.
I agree that *most* who voted for Obama were very much LIED to and misled, and even I (who never ever trusted Obama, and he was never my first or even second choice…. not that any of the choices were that great) have been rather stunned by his complete perfidy in going back on almost every single campagin promise.
So, yeah: it’s a toughie, which is why attempting to educate the populace as much as possible that this is all political theatre is very important.
Palin will campaign on a platform *like that,* and she will fool her constituents just as much as Obama fooled many of his voters. That’s why I say: what’s the difference?? The same PTB that run Obama will run Palin.
Jane Hamsher and Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi have collectively done more in my opinion than any other reporters/media types in revealing the colossal political hoaxes that define the Obama legislative agenda; pretend you are for one thing and then work ferociously behind the scenes to derail your avowed goal/stance and then explain it was the best you could get. This Greenwald article during HCR made it clear to me for the first time what was really going on (he references Hamsher and FDL numerous times)
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/08/19/obama/index.html
Once you are onto the modus operandi, it is easy to see it working everywhere. Fortunately, I think a critical mass of people are onto this fraud of an administration and the corruptness of our systems in general.
We really need to move purposefully towards a political action stage and start fielding new candidates and better options. Nature abhors a vacuum and there are MILLIONS of unhappy and dissatisfied and disaffected Dem,liberal,and independent voters who are milling around angry and aimlessly. I personally do not believe that meaningful change can come from within the Democratic Party. As far as I am concerned they had their chance with the change election, both houses and the Presidency and they completely blew it.
While I agree wholeheartedly with Jane’s opinions on this kerfuffle over the Catfood commission report and the Kabuki theater of reluctantly okaying tax cuts for the rich in order to “save” the poor and unemployed, I’d like us to use our anger and our energy to promote plans that really WILL help us climb out of this hellhole.
One ray of hope (yes, I used that word) that I’ve seen is the deficit-reduction plan being touted by U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) that combines common sense, understanding of how the economy really works and espousing the social justice that most here at FDL can embrace.
I’ve linked to a HuffPo diary that outlines Schakowsky’s plan here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pearl-korn/deficit-commission-member_b_789092.html
If anyone has a better link to Schakowsky’s plan, I’d appreciate it.
Yes, Palin has already demonstrated clearly that her objective is building personal wealth. She doesn’t care very much how she does it. That’s reportedly why she quit as Governor of Alaska; the private sector was much more lucrative.
I wont do lesser evilism any more.
we agree and certainly seen it in spades these last two weeks
I often think their primary error in running this Super Concentrated Clinton Playbook™, was forgetting that Clinton never had to worry about the internet
“To be fair, they’re going to call him a President Who Raised Taxes During A Recession regardless of what he does”
He did that with the mandate, so it’s true regardless of what happens with the Bush tax cuts.
All too well.
But it seems you’re making the opposite argument that FDL made on HCR. It was strong public option (or better) or no HCR at all. Now it seems the argument is, “expiring on those making 999,999.99 is better than nothing at all.” Isn’t that the argument “traditional” Dems (right down to Kucinich, in the end) were making regarding HCR that this site was opposed to?
Raising it to a million does set a new line in the sand as to what is “middle-class.” I think it’s a bad idea. I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree.
To be fair, they will call him whatever they want. The idea that giving in to them will stop them from calling him names has been proven to be completely false.
My support for Obama is done… I QUIT.
OBAMA CAVES = OBAMA FAILS.
Eric Laursen – MyFDL
linked with a qualifier I’ve been seeing all morning that even this plan validates the invalid approach of Deficit Hawkism
You’re not alone. I am certain this will be the “read my lips” moment of his Presidency. If he extends these cuts, he will not be reelected.
Palin is our best hope. Please do nothing that would hinder her in getting repub nomination. Obama is a centrist, ok. A big disappointment, everything bad. But he did not degreulate the banks as did the Clintons and Rubin did. And he has not supported any legislation even close to NAFTA in perniciousness.
Obama is not a get rich politician like the Clintons and Palin. And until this site comes up with someone to challenge Obama in the primaries who is a credible choice, whining about Obama is a non starter.
Exactly.
Keep on exposing the kabuki, Jane.
The rest of us: time to stop playing this game and create a new one.
And then there’s the governor of New Jersey, who is apparently mesmerized by his own wonderfulness and seems to think he’d be a nifty pick for the Republican presidential nomination. *barf* The only good thing about that would be that it would get him out of NJ–sadly, at the expense of screwing up the country instead of just one state.
Many thanks for the link to Eric Laursen’s FDL diary. I’ve spent so much time feeling frustrated and helpless and angry over the nuttiness that is our government, that I really need a dose of sensible suggestions.
I’m going to tell everyone I know about Schakowsky’s plan. It isn’t perfect, for sure. But it’s so much better than what is being proposed and puts the debate where it should be — based in reality.
Guess I’ve just gotten so tired of being against whatever evil de jour is coming out of the WH and GOP lately, I’ve just got to find something worthwhile to cling to, to save my sanity.
Maybe he should just stay in Afghanistan.
The issue regarding whether to extend the tax cuts for the rich is a true populist’s wet dream. Imagine William Jennings Bryan, who delivered the famous Thou-Shall-Not-Crucify-Mankind-upon-a-cross-of-gold speech at the 1896 Democratic Convention, or Teddy Roosevelt, or FDR speaking to our nation today about this issue and you can readily appreciate how a true populist would electrify and unite we the people against the greedy blood sucking kleptocrats. They would be exposed for all their greed and hypocrisy. Their grip on political power would be SHATTERED and we would be dancing in the streets.
Instead . . .
Schumer is, as ever, grandstanding with other people’s ideas — in this case Robert Reich’s, posted months ago on HuffPo. Even so, it’s pure symbolism — which is all Democrats know. Obama probably is trying to curry favor with Republicans who’d rather not vote against it but will if forced to. That mighty blow Democrats are so eager to throw wouldn’t sting for a week, whereas, tax cuts for all the wealthy will benefit them for years.
A full extension of tax cuts was always going to pass. Every reason Democrats give for wanting a vote now on limiting the extension to $250,000 was more valid before the election, when a “no” vote may hurt Republicans. Democrats postponed the vote because they didn’t want to offend their contributors. They still don’t, but they need this performance to convince us, the witless believers, that it’s the fault of the Republicans.
This is just the first manifestation of the monetization of the election process. From now on the first commandment for ever politician is: Follow the Money.
It’d take a constitutional amendment to change that but everyone thinks that’s too hard and would take too long. Easier to fulminate.
Makes sense to me, however jobs are going to bite him in the ass. You know and I know that the Republicans are going to take credit for any job creation that their buddies have been sitting on billions just waiting for the Republikans to get into power before hiring.
What has Obama actually done that is a full-measure of what he promised, the Lilly Ledbetter Act?
He’s done Nothing about the federally anti-trust protected health insurance business except give them more of our money. That is over 17% of GDP.
He’s done nothing about the big corrupt banks except give them our money that they refuse to lend while fraudulently trying to foreclose on homes to cover-up crimes which now the Fed is making sure they can do!
Obama has done nothing about the paper-holders full of bad paper. He’s done nothing about the stock market, taxing the rich, or getting out of the wars.
Obama really is a Republikan. No wonder he talks to them more than he does the Democrats.
Yay! More reality.
Obama hasn’t “caved” on anything. He’s stood up with steely resolve against those who would in any way threaten the power of oligarchy – i.e., against the American people.
Which was his task all along, to diffuse America’s energy for real change into meaningless superficiality.
Feingold Grayson 2012
You’re in the wrong place, pal. The overwhelming majority here at the lake are fed up with rightwing Republican policies masquerading as “centrism”. And we’re equally fed up with lesser-evilism voting. Translation: we’re fed up with sellouts like Obama. Many of us think he’s worse than both Clinton and Bush 43.
You know who I’m getting almost as mad at as I am Obama? John Edwards. If he’d just kept his pecker in his pants he’d be the best viable primary or third-party challenger to Obama in 2012.
Barack “Half-assed” Obama strikes again:
Obama Issues First Pardons Of His Presidency
Almost as bad as Crist talking about a pardon for Jim Morrison.
We really need to push back against the narrative that attributes progressive goals to Obama, but says that he’s too inept (too naive about compromise, bad communicator, R’s are too unified, etc.) to achieve them. At some point we have to stop simultaneously saying he’s a genius and also an idiot. He’s just an ordinary corporatist, no better or worse.
Thanks as always for leading the way Jane. Hope you can get some msnbcers to wake up.
Of course you’re right…especially since Obama’s team is the only one that’s offered up the unemployed people as fodder here. Typical.
And then the mere fact that Obama left Lew (who replaced Summers but is another Rubin protege)and Geithner in charge of negotiations. Plus we see Baucus is among the prominent players in the process offering up amendments full of goodies for the wealthy. I wouldn’t expect anything less from these folks. I mean everyone knows, Obama would only put people in charge of negotiating on his behalf, individuals who will do his bidding for him. I can’t think of three better players that exemplify his belief system for him to leave in charge of this. No doubt he’ll be happy. He’s getting exactly what he wants.
Let’s not forget Lieberman was Obama’s mentor in the Senate. Uggh.
Maybe we can convince Jane to do it. I wld vote for her. One thing for sure is I wll never vote for him again regardless of who runs against him.
Dead on Jane.
You’re still the best.
Why doesn’t he do us a favor and switch parties?
Biden also supports a large second stimulus and ExtenZe.
And after extending all the Tax Cuts, they (The Village Idiots) will then turn and savage SS & Medicare because of the need to “reduce the deficit”.
This Thanksgiving, I spoke with my in-laws from New Orleans. Their attitude toward President Obama completely changed during the BP oil spill. These life long activist Democrats went from Obama supporters to Obama rejectors. When we got on the subject of politics, I asked my sister in law, What do you think about Obama? She said that his handling of the BP oil spill reminded her of Katrina. She will never vote for such a man again.
President Obama needs to understand that he is rapidly losing the activist Democrats. It seems that he has already lost the FDL readers.
You say that like Firebagger is a bad thing.
We sent an FDL reporter down to the Gulf Coast to cover BP’s bullshit coverups. Activist Dems all over the whole country started to doubt Obama when they saw how he coddled BP.
Huge defections across most left-leaning blogs.
It was both disgraceful and immoral.
Something does seem to be happening inside Joe Biden’s political-computer heart. He wouldn’t defend WH back-channel negotiations to the House caucus when invited (Weds. or Thurs.), then today he comes out publicly in support of the Senate moving the House bill extending only middle class tax cuts. I didn’t see the source for the Dkos diary quoting Biden’s sound bite today. Perhaps he just waited until Obama was out of town to speak up.
Dylan Ratigan mocked Obama at the top of his show for bugging out to Baghram before the 9.8% unemployment rate was reported.
Digby posted this House floor speech by Grayson from yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-laQ0uvnl5M
All that’s missing is Beck’s whiteboard.
Nah, that’s you.
;)
I didn’t vote for him last time because I live in Illinois in the Chicago area and knew what sort of President he would be – and msny of us desperately tried to tell the rest of the country. But no, everybody wanted to believe the obvious lies he was telling because it sounded so much better than what we had just gone through during the Bush years.
It what way could Palin possibly be worse than Mr. Mendacity?
Brave of him.
You really think Obama will get an unemployment extension out of this deal?
Dollars to donuts, the rich get their tax breaks and the unemployed are dropped somewhere along the line in the negotiations.
The most cynical part of all of this is the argument that, since extending the unemployment benefits isn’t paid for, extending the tax cuts don’t need to be paid for.
Perfect way to phrase it.
It’s clear that Obama is trying to find cover for extending the cuts so his Wall St backers don’t have to suffer like the rest of us. All this kabuki theater makes no sense, otherwise. All he had to do was let the tax cuts expire as scheduled. What could the Republicans do? Nothing. They would never be able to justify resurrecting the cuts in the next Congress.
In the meantime, Obama could use his bully pulpit to scream about how the unemployed are being screwed and, gee, it’s Christmas, etc, etc. What does he do instead? Runs to Afghanistan after punting the problem to Geithner and Company.
I’ll say it again. There is no point in pleading with this man to do the right thing. We need to look elsewhere. The progressives did it in 1932 when they decided they had had enough of the go along with Hoover Democratic leadership (who supported and pushed for a federal sales tax BTW) and supported FDR’s candidacy. We need to start looking for a real progressive to primary Obama AND we need to be saying that loud and clear in the media.
And that is definitely a possibility.
and Daschel, who is totally in the pockets of the insurance industry.
Outstanding post Jane! You rock! Rock on! Your ability to clearly spell it out is amazing.
yeah, but they’ll squiggle it down to something like a 6-week extension, just to claim a headline or two.
IMHO – Even the “debate” about extending the tax cut on the income of those making over $250,000 is kabuki. The real undiscused goal is to keep the Estate Tax at 0 instead of returning to 55%. Everything else is a diversion to hide their intent to permanently rid the wealthy of this progressive equalizer. Greed has no honor nor shame.
Oh, and kudo’s . . . . one . . . more . . . . time, to you Jane and the FDL team. Just unbelievable — the reporting and writing here. Your post today, and Mary’s re the Nigerian extradition are just over the top. Absolutely sparkling in intellect and clarity. I always feel like I’m watching a Bjorn Borg tennis match, just three plays behind. Of course, all these folks here have so much detail and completeness, that I can catch up (even if its three days later).
Thank Jane, I am new to FDL and enjoying it very much.
So econobuzz how do you see Biden playing this? It occurred to me while I was digging holiday lights outta closets that Biden is the President of the Senate, he holds the 51st vote. Is he preparing to break a tie? Does he think there is a filibuster-proof procedure available in the Senate?
Welcome!
I don’t think it is what President Obama “wants”…its what can actually get DONE. This is politics. You can’t get everything and you have to find a way to get as many things passed in the lame duck session as you can.
Tax cuts are important but what would you rather have?
Passing : START, unemployment benefits extension, repeal of DADT, The Dream Act and extending ALL tax cuts for each tax bracket for 2 years.
OR
Standing your ground against tax cuts for the wealthy.
I have been spending all week on the side of standing your ground but I am starting to look at passing everything we can…it’s time to get things done.
http://www.doubledutchpolitics.com/
Senate Dems are implying that trying to cut a deal with the GOP on tax rates is like negotiating with terrorists. (h/t this 5:16 pm diary on DKos.)
True, Obama baited millions with his candidacy and then swithed into this shitty president. But there wasn’t a problem with what Obama was selling when he was a candidate. The problem was that he had no record of ever having fought for or accomplished any of it. The electorate should have known better when they nominated and elected this unknown.
Frankly, I’m not as concerned with supporting a candidate who can win in 2012 as I am with supporting and voting for a candidate I can believe in and with having my voice heard clearly along with the millions of others who would vote for a candidate who would be a real progressive alternative to Obama.
Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out.
Problem is none of the progressives who get media exposure is willing to say we need to look elsewhere. Instead, it’s all about pleading with Obama to show some spine, stand up to the Republicans, stop capitulating, please, please,please! Stop already!The man is not listening and doesn’t plan to. Time for progressives to show some spine and show Obama the door–win or lose.
Krugman said yesterday that Congressional Dems might as well write off Obama, like most of us already have:
(apologies if somebody already posted this)
I think BT is caught up in the smoke and mirrors of the Faux Partisan Theatre. Rachel Maddow and the Edster definitely suffer from the same affliction.
Check out Fractal’s comment @ 136. Krugman came out hard on Obama.
Opposition against Obama will continue to build.
Regarding getting attention, bloggers need to find the right gimmick and follow through with it so that the teevee media will begin to report on it. If even just a noticeable number of voters in so-called blue and purple states vote for such a third-party candidate, our voices will be heard loud and clear.
* A Daily Kos poster (Ruff Limblog) has issued a plea for Bernie Sanders to run in 2012
* From the “Dean for America” twitter stream comes a referral to a blog entry entitled “To The American Voter: Your Path to Power” posted by an apparent diehard Democrat named Mary Wentworth on “Cape Cod Today”, which in turn helps explain to me just how DINOs have been able to get away with being “Dems in name only” for so long now
* Two separate instances really confirmed for me what Obama was all about:
1) During Obama’s Inauguration Day I happened to notice that GWB had this ungodly, more arrogant than usual smirk on his face, and I couldn’t quite grasp why at that time. Hey, I just checked the YouTube segment ‘Bush: It is Good to be Home’ and yep — right after Bush states that “a good man” has taken office, there’s that smirk just as big as Texas for all the world to see; and
2) The day Obama actually had the *^*s to accept the Nobel Peace Prize…
I suppose the question we have to ask, again is this: If we have a Democratic President who only wants what Republicans want, why not call him a Republican and be done with it? He can run for the GOP nomination in 2012.
The fact is we did make a mistake. There is little truth to the proverb “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck” when it comes to Obama. What we got is not what we thought we had.
I am not apologizing for Obama. I made a mistake and I admit I took the less of two evils. Can you imagine if McCain and Palin were leading the US right now, though it probably would not be much different. Hopefully they would have gotten rid of inside-man Geitner, who is a major thorn in our side. And you only get 1/2 of an apology because I initially worked for Clinton in the Democratic Primary.
I disagree that there will ever be a tax-cut for those less than $250,000 (which is not gross income by any means, but taxable income). As Jane points out, an extension of the whole package is what will get passed. Obama did the same with this issue as he did with the “Public Option”! He back-doored us again. What irks me is that this now becomes a 2012 issue as the tax-cuts would have been sunsetted by the Republicans under a Republican bill.
I can’t believe that Obama intervened in Spain so Bush would not be indicted and charged there for war crimes while he is currently obstructing Interpol for their arrest warrant for Dick Cheney for a country we have an extradition treaty with. This is while we want the same agency to go after the person who leaked all the classified US documents.
I really don’t have a clue who we elected! Forget about him ever doing “his part!”
I voted for Obama and I don’t regret it. If he hadn’t won, we’d still be sitting around thinking that things would be okay if only we had a Democrat in the White House.
Now we can move ahead. And Dump him!
jeffroby, please read what I posted to Michael K’s most recent post re: the efforts toward a movement — thanks
Never mind — you done been there and seen that — thanks, anyway!!
Now $4 trillion in unfunded tax cuts is the LEFT pole of debate thanks to the Dems. Wow, thanks. Way to win one for the Gipper.
I will be voting for the challenger of Obama at every stage of the election process.
Obama has introduced a nihilism into two party politics that is a watershed in American politics. Never again can intelligent voters afford to trust a candidate of any stripe.
Secondly, the left needs to stop vilifying people like Palin. She is not the enemy, we need only to look in the mirror to figure that character out.
Obama happened on our watch. He is as much ours as W. was the Republican’s cross to bear. I no longer contribute to any Democrat and will not until Obama is out of office. I am no longer afraid of Republican candidates. They are no worse than our nightmare Presidency.
Obama has managed to make W. look good and make a horse race for worst President ever.
I fear that we’ve landed at rock bottom with no hope or even memory of what any other political possibility might be.
You mean, you didn’t notice when Clinton (Bill) was doing this?
http://schakowsky.house.gov/images/stories/1202_Schakowsky_Deficit_Reduction_Plan.pdf
Rep. Schakowsky’s 7 page plan (pdf above) was not even allowed a vote.
Obama set up a great bi-partisan group, didn’t he?
The new GOP controlled House ways and means will ignore her plan – but will Obama and Senator Reid also pretend there is not a Democratic alternative?
http://schakowsky.house.gov/images/stories/1202_Schakowsky_Deficit_Reduction_Plan.pdf
Rep. Schakowsky’s 7 page plan (pdf above) was not even allowed a vote.
Obama set up a great bi-partisan group, didn’t he?
The new GOP controlled House ways and means will ignore her plan – but will Obama and Senator Reid also pretend there is not a Democratic alternative?
Bravo.
It’s the system, not any one man.
If Obama dared to change anything he would already be dead.
Only by focusing 100% on how things are done will we ever see decent outcomes again.
No more “issue-by-issue” politics: only speak of systemic reforms.
No Palin isn’t the enemy, she is just a tool who will rubber stamp whatever our real enemies want.
Re: “she is just a tool who will rubber stamp whatever our real enemies want.”
And that distinguishes her as different than Obama in what way?
You know as long as we remain predictable and polarised, we remain complicit. I am not campaigning for Palin, believe me, but as long as we keep her a topic of counterpoint “we rubber stamp what our enemies want”. Palin doesn’t have to do a thing.
Maybe if we treated politicians we elect with the same indignation as citizens on some of these reality shows who are confronted with disgraceful behavior and tell off the offenders in no uncertain terms that they will not tolerate it any more, we may get some relief. Maybe when we tell our political officials that we find their voting records abhorrent, that we will not fund them, vote for them, or tolerate any more of their disingenuous back-stabbing… party label be damned, political orientation be damned, special interest be damned… maybe then we’ll change the quality of people running for public office.
Preemptive concessioning and impotent posturing is behavior that is in the DNA of the Democratic party. The smell of fear and defeat hang naturally upon its leaders. When they can’t help but prostrate themselves when they have overwhelming majorities in both houses and a supremely popular President, who can blame those that recoil in horror at the thought of these same pathetic losers in charge of national security and the defense of freedom and liberty from enemies with real capacity to harm us?
Thank God people are finally getting Nancy Pelosi and her amazing talent for pretending to care about things she does absolutely nothing about. Then after caving, having some tripe general political nothing answer to defend herself. I can’t believe the Dems were callous enough to keep Pelosi in front. She is nothing but the worse kind of corporatist.
Pelosi pretends to care about the people when, in fact, she never does anything but use them for a card in a hand she intends to fold on for her true masters, the elite. She does it over and over again and Dems still sing her praises. I couldn’t believe the people singing her praises on Huff Post when she wanted to be speaker again. She is conning the base on practically everything. It’s sickening to watch. She’s rich and none of this affects her personally and it shows. Pelosi is reason number one why I am no longer a Democrat after 30 years of straight Dem voting.
Jane, we must find our progressive candidate and start getting the public ready for what we want. If Obama does exit the stage there will be no personality showcased and ready to go in time. We must find our candidate right away.
I’m not voting for Obama again no matter what. He has shown who he is by protecting the banks conducting the biggest fraud in the history of mankind against the hard working people of America which he obviously thinks of as trailer trash that don’t know their place. I don’t care if a zillion people tell me I am throwing away my vote, I am voting for a third party if no Dem progressive runs against Obama. And I may vote third party anyway. Even if the only purpose it serves is to bring about the belief that people will vote third party. Why not with the Repubs serving the Elite and the Dems doing the same.
Yep bravo. And what an infuriating spectacle this all is with USDA statistics on Americans facing hunger.
I mean not for the first time in past few months it’s occurred to me if they don’t care if the whole base dies or is too hungry to vote.
Paranoid thought I know.
@mui1 – Paranoid is the wrong metaphor. Personally, I have a difficult time understanding how quickly, deliberately, and maliciously the Obama administration disengaged and marginalised his most passionate and ardent supporters.
It has nothing to do with paranoia. It’s as if a game had been played and won and now it’s time to take off the costumes and practice the politics of business as usual. It’s as if a seizure of political schizophrenia kicked in the moment the election was over.
Is there anyone here who remembers how inspiring and inspired the Obama followers were after campaign speeches? I do. But ever since he’s taken office, I can’t remember a single inspiring thing being said – not one. In fact I don’t believe a word this SOB says. Nor is a novelty concession to appease “the base” ever going to restore the trust this guy has burned in two short years. And he’s taken the integrity and credibility of the entire Democratic party into the political toilet along with him.
This is as a bizarre political phenomenon as has ever existed.
Try though I might, I can think of no way to defend Obama’s position on the tax issue. One can only conclude, based upon the available information, that he is a pretender of the first order, and not the one to deliver “change” and “hope” that many of us sought.
However, nor can I defend the Dems in the Senate who voted to extend cuts to all. The lost $690+ billion in lost revenue over the next 10 years will, due to the exploding deficit we’re leaving to our children, be made up for by cuts to the poor. Which, come to think of it, is what they must have had in mind all along.
A question for Jane: As a new member, this is only my second blog, and I cannot thank you enough for the work that you do. However, besides all of us preaching to the choir, to use a cliche’, what can we really do to truly change things? It’s difficult to sleep anymore when one contemplates how rigged everything is, and how absolutely hopeless it all seems.
Another thing that concerns me is that a lot of idealistic, well-meaning people who voted for the first time is 2008 might very well be persuaded not to vote again, or at least to believe in their elected officials – any of them – again. I mean, how can one keep one’s idealism (I see keeping it as a good thing) when all around is corruption and back-room deals and chicanery. What’s left to fill the vacuum when the left proves little better or more trustworthy than the right? As has been noted, one can at least understand the reasons the right has for doing what they do. With the left, well…one can only conclude that they’re not really so different. The whole thing is a big game, a big performance to them. Bravo, indeed.
I don’t know where you get the energy and fortitude and plain old gumption to keep on with this, but godspeed to you, Jane. We need more like you.
yes Jane, the title says it all, just like with health care.
Obama is functioning perfectly as a “New Democrat”.
His betrayal of regular people keeps getting worse on a daily basis.
If you go by the below study, the unemployment rate is 30.5%, worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s.
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/546814/University-study-shows-true-jobless-rate-at-30-5-percent.htm
Where did this serious allegation originate from? What proof do we have, that is not hearsay to verify this?
And as I listen to NPR, the story line there is that Obama is caving on taxes in order to save benefits for the unemployed. What a saint!
Government policy and messaging is a theater of the absurd.
We’re supposed to believe that Obama cares about an economic recovery, yet he creates his own deficit cutting commission.
We’re supposed to believe that Obama is worried about the deficit, yet he won’t be caught dead actually taxing the folks that make the lionshare of the money.
We’re supposed to believe that Obama is worried about government spending, yet he expands a costly war over barren mountain tops on the other side of the world.
We’re supposed to believe that Obama cares about employment, yet he signs away 150,000 jobs in a Korean trade deal.
We’re supposed to believe that Republicans are in the drivers seat, yet they’ve been the minority party for the last 2 years. Obama, Reid, Pelosi… hello!
And the list goes on….